So, That Just Happened
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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You know, today was really everything about being a Rays fan wrapped into one. From the anticipation to the tease to the ultimate letdown and now back to a bit of apathy of the day's events. Perhaps unjustly we all jumped at the rumor, but only because a MLB.com report should be, if nothing else, accurate. That's the unimportant thing though, because this wound will hopefully heal by Friday, but what we're faced with is the idea that our support is on the way with David Price and Rocco Baldelli.
Obviously I've stated that I'm not sure how much Rocco will help us this season, but if there's some sort of destiny this would be a pretty damn great situation for it to pop up. I also don't know what Andrew Friedman did outside of stick to "the untouchables" gun. Whether he and the rest of the front office made the right call or not won't be known for years, if then. We all should confidence in their ability to evaluate talent yet that's not going to take away the feeling of being gut punched.
Objectively looking at the deal that occurred I can't really blame Neal Huntington, he got a very good package of prospects that will help that team beyond simply Jeff Niemann and Reid Brignac. The Sox will gain about a win on defense and lose about a half win on offense, so they're going to come out slightly better, but not enough that I'm concerned. Add in the slight losses of Brandon Moss as well as Craig Hansen and the Sox seemingly gave both away for a marginal upgrade this season, and perhaps a bigger upgrade next season at a much cheaper rate. That frees up around 12 million for the Red Sox and that's not good news for the off-season, but there within itself lies the positive for us: it's post-deadline on July 31st and the off-season isn't the next thing to look forward to.
Initial reactions aside, we still have a team that will continue to give the division crown a run, with or without Jason Bay.
This one is to you Jason Bay, for those fifteen glorious minutes in which you gave us today, and then, well, this:
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I wanted Bay, but I think Brignac will be a stud. My problem is keeping Neimann
Frankly he has little value to the Rays and his value as trade bait is going to start declining. He will never be in our starting rotation and he will be 26 next year. It is going to get harder and harder to flip him for a quality player.
At this point we may have to shit on his career and make him a reliever.
Or I dunno. I have a feeling we are going to essentially give him away in a year or two.
But
Niemann could be a lights-out reliever. And if Sonny or Jackson struggles or someone gets hurt, it never hurts to have a sixth (or even seventh) starter.
Doesn’t hurt to have too much good pitching.
Honestly, then maybe you trade one or two of the other pitchers instead.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
he will get a Sept cal up to prove is manhood
maybe he will come up big for us down the stretch
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 31, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
WUSS
That bottle of Beam doesn’t even look open!
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jul 31, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
MLB is bullshit...no way that trade was completed on time...
There are way too many moving pieces in a very short amount of time.
Whats this about an improper deal and the we believed we had a deal with the pirates?
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Seriously? Oh mannnn this could get interesting.
by Cory Alexander on Jul 31, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
They just told the radio station they "didn't deny" there was a deal.
I doubt anything comes of this, but we’ll see.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
WDAE
like one of the BS sportshosts, or one of the people who actuially reports news?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
BTW,
is this the slowest SB Nation has been? Ton of traffic today.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jul 31, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well
I’m all in for Rocco and Ruggs/Whoever else we bring up.
Nothing left now but to put full faith behind management and the players we have. We’re still the same Rays as we were in May.
Lets make the fucking playoffs!
GO RAYS!
Fuck em all
get Barry.
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BELIEVE in 08!
RJ
Well said on the opening page… It’s exactly how I feel
Jason Bay hits .193 off LHP
We already have a bunch of guys that can’t hit LHP. Why would we send Davis/Hellickson + Brignac for someone that doesn’t truly help us?
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this means Kazmir, and Price
own his Canadian ass then doesn’t it?
by Hazleton Jason on Jul 31, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
How many times are you going to repeat
this nonsense? it’s 83 at bats. How has he hit lefties for his career? Longoria struggled mightily against lefties his first 2 months….what is your point?
I just don't see in any way..
how this isn’t a great deal for Boston (Not that I’m not happy we kept brignac). They gave up 2 guys, an rp who isn’t hacking it and a 4th OF to replace manny’s production for a third of a season and all of next year for only 7MM (plus picks if he walks after 09?) and they upgrade their LF defense and don’t have to pay manny 20MM in 09.
Friedman did the right thing, its the dodgers that screwed the pooch, and in the balance aided boston and hurt us a little.
The one thing that scares me is Boston with that kind of money freed up
not that they were concerned about it before
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Maybe we can pick up Andruw Jones when he gets released
and he becomes rejuvenated like Edmonds…Or not..lol
by arkansasraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions
Unfortunately
I’m too busy at work to be angry about this right now.
After work, I’ll be too drunk to be angry about this.
Tomorrow, I’ll be too busy being at the game eating $1 hot dogs to be angry about this.
Sadly, I can’t be angry about this.
by kericr on Jul 31, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Probably not worth being angry over either.
Although I still would have liked to have seen Dunn here, and I still think we dropped the ball on Nady, even if he hasn’t hit well yet with the Yankees.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
So the only dirt is that the Rays never denied a deal?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like it.
We’ll see if anything comes of it, I’m not holding my breathe.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact we have the prospect we have..
..makes this alot easier to deal with..
by arkansasraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
Not really
we needed a hitter, and last time I looked, there weren’t any good hitting prospects left in the system.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Would you really trade Hellickson/Davis + Brignac and possibly Niemann for Bay?
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Sure
Not all three, but I would have given Davis/Hellickson + Brignac. I realize I’m in the minority here. However, if I’m the Pirates, I still take the Red Sox deal, so I don’t think this could have gotten done.
I just still think we’re a bat short, and we didn’t get it. Nady was attainable with what we have. We probably could have gotten Dunn for Niemann + Salas + prospects. There are probably other deals that could have been done as well.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
My point exactly
What we would’ve had to give up wouldn’t be worth it
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fwiw Ruggiano = Moss and Talbot= Hansen
would be the closest comparison from my point of view and than Brignac and Niemann from the Dodgers.
So in theory Niemann, Talbot, Brignac, and Ruggiano should have been enough. With Walker and Alvarez in the system I’m sure Pitt would have rathered a SS too.
but if AF is convinced Brignac is our SS of the future (which I believe as well) and he was untouchable, the trade doesn’t happen.
I believe Brignac is a middle infielder of the future
Whether its Reid at 2nd or short and Tim at the other doesn’t really matter.
Friedman might think he can get more for Brignac in the offseason
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Sorry but with our pitching
Rocco, Rugs should be enough….
by arkansasraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Preventing runs is just as good as scoring them.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No it's not
Not when your pitching is already good. If you already have good pitching, then there’s more marginal value in scoring a run than preventing a run.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Sorry, I disagree.
The Rays have terrific run prevention and league average offense. Another bat would have been awesome, but you shouldn’t trade one for the other unless you get more than you give up.
Having terrific offense and terrific run prevention gives you teams like the 2001 Mariners and 1998 Yankees. Teams like that don’t come along very often.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Just sign Barry Bonds
That is all that needs to be done.
Middle finger to the league, gripping our balls.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck the league
They talk about contraction, how shitty our stadium is, how shitty the area is etc. well just fuck them. sign bonds. dominate the rest of the year and win the world series.
FUCK THE LEAGUE FUCK THE MEDIA
BARRY LAMAR BONDS is the answer
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BELIEVE in 08!
^^^^^^^^
that is a candidate for my sign tomorrow
50ccs of BARRY LAMAR BONDS
Is the Injection this offense NEEDS!
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
uh... you can use that
I won’t say my idea because I don’t want people stealing it…
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BELIEVE in 08!
hopefully PG so you don't get tossed. lol
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BELIEVE in 08!
Wll boys I am out- I;ll talk to all again later- time for dinner and beer
just gotta hope our hitters regress or progress to what they can be…
The one thing I am NOT looking forward to
is the feel-good crap about Rocco we will hear on ESPN, 24/7 if he gets hot in the pros.
The first time I wouldn’t mind. But they would beat it to death.
You mean like how the they did for the entire team after we swept Boston for the second time?
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No
they’ll call up Rocco when they think he’s ready. They’ve never called up anyone else early, why would the call up Rocco early?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Rocco has never been in the minors as long as he's been on the 40-man roster
and thus he has all his options left.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
but isnt there a rule where if you're on the mlb roster for so long you can't be optioned back
9 = 8
Veteran rule
Yeah, I think so, but he hasn’t been in the majors long enough.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
He's signed through next year and is awful.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
SIGN HIM
worth the risk. Worst cast scenario we have one of, if not the best defensive outfield in baseball. We also have the bets defensive infield in baseball. Let Hinske/Rocco platoon at DH
2B Aki
RF Upton
LF Crawford
3B Longo
1B Pena
DH Hinske/Rocco
C Navi
CF Jones
SS Bartlett
But he's so bad.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He's signed through next year.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We got where we are with DEFENSE and PITCHING didn't we???
If we’ve been winning with that formula and have a 3 game lead, then why can’t we keep doing it???
by arkansasraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
well, we can...
but improving your offense without sacreficing rf defense would have been a bad thing, how?
No arguement here but we're kinda a little late now
We’re gonna have to run with the horses we have and adding Price and Baldelli isn’t a bad upgrade
by arkansasraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry,
I didnt realize you were doing a john belushi germans bombed pearl harbor pep talk thing….
Yeah, we are probably fine. Price will upgrade the staff, niemann could even bolster the pen….we can make rf work.
This an amazingly stupid comment
Please do make more of them.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Rocco was holding back the development of Jackson, Howell, Sonny, and Shields.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Rocco is such a prick now that I think about it.
He didn’t let Evan come up either.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't even begin to fathom why someone would say something this dumb
...We are all more stupid for hearing your incoherent rambling..You are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your soul…..
by arkansasraysfan on Jul 31, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ owes him, that's for sure
or does he owe Dukes?
I believe a trade was made
If I were Stu and Andrew, I would block this trade at all costs. I believe the Rays did indeed acquire Jason Bay first and some “shenanigans” took place. I hope someone gets to the bottom of this. Ask by 620 WDAE if the Rays acquired Jason Bay at 345 pm, they “didn’t deny” (in those words), they acquired him. I think a deal was done.
Joe
so is this opinion...
based on the fact that the rays FO didnt deny it? or is there more? Could it just be that the rays are tightlipped?
No, this is not opinion, but based on the events that took place.
Something has happened here, something egregiously wrong. Its a matter if the local media wish to press Andrew on. I have a strong intuition, from seeing others especially in other markets reported this trade was final
Joe
i dunno...
just seems a little thin…should be interesting.
not necessarily
there could have been multiple trade talks going on at the same time, and the Pirates pulled the trigger on the one they liked best at the last minute
Block the trade
I would like to know what happened, and I would think MLB should investigate the circumstances of what took place in that last hour. I want to know if MLB got paperwork on a trade and who’s paperwork was “accepted”.
Joe
Watch this Happen at 6pm.
“I’d like to welcome the newest member of the Tampa Bay Rays, Mr. Barry Bonds.”
by Cory Alexander on Jul 31, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
All this means is
CC and BJ better get their acts together or we aren’t going anywhere
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Without "their" acts together we're in first by three games.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck it
Bring Rocco, bring Price, and let’s do this shit!
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I want to see Rocco come up. I want to believe he can do well again.
I also want to believe in unicorns, mermaids, Jurassic Park, etc..
Rome is the man...
Perhaps the most respected voice in the world of sports broadcasting, Jim Rome is the leading opinion-maker of his generation. As host of the nation’s premiere sports radio talk show, Rome is known for his aggressive, informed, rapid-fire dialogue. Jim has established himself as the top choice of athletes and fans when it is time to know what is going on beyond the scoreboard.
No! Rome sucks
Steve Czaban is the funniest dude on the radio…Fox Sports Radio on XM142…6am, 12pm EST
I do like the Czab
but I just lost him in DC. I now get Mike and Mike on 3 stations! Fuckin clown shoes! I hate Dan Snyder!
Yeah, I heard Czab mention that crap last week
My sympathy…
He is
they both suck against lefties this year :)
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Rocco will play again
when 1,000 monkeys fly out of my *.
He is done, and he was never that great to begin with.
Hope you have plenty of lube.
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
PLZ SAY YES!
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I believe your monkeys are due sometime soon.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Are the Monkeys in there now?
Or are you going to shove them in and then let them fly out
Then what was the point of the conference...
by Cory Alexander on Jul 31, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know they are talking to Earnest Graham instead?
it isn’t football season yet is it?
It is bad when the national media doesn’t give the Rays attention but your own local radio would rather talk about football first of August than a first place baseball team
We were looking at a lot of things....
Sounded exactly like what he said when he was asked whether Longoria would start the year in the bigs.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He was asked questions
Gave a blanket statement that the deadline is a great time to evaluate your team, and that he’s glad they had the opp. to do so. When asked about the Bay deal, he said it takes 2 teams to make a deal but wouldnt comment on any specifics.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So basically
He said nothing. Trying to read anything into his words would be foolish at best.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He cannot comment on other teams players
It’s illegal. Tampering and they frown upon it. Plus, Friedman doesn’t care if you know or approve of what he’s doing.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
WTF?
A little sensitive are we? I just reported his words as I heard them on the radio. Whats the problem?
And its bad business practice, not tampering. Tampering is commenting on other teams players that you are actively targeting. Talking about sometihng in the past is not tampering.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 31, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No, not sensitive at all
I wasn’t replying to you, I was replying to Cory. I was just reiterating the fact that he’s not going to tell anybody anything.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
UPDATE
Update. 6:18: Exec VP Andrew Friedman just did a 15-minute conference call in which he wouldn’t discuss any specifics of the Jason Bay deal, or any other. He said he felt just as good about the Rays chances to make the postseason as he did before the moves (and non-moves) of the last few days and that he expected the players the Rays do have to improve, which will make the offense better.
“We’re in first place on July 31 and we control our own destiny,’’ Friedman said. “I feel we have the talent on hand to continue to do what we did the first two-thirds of the season.’‘
He also said it was “not clear yet” when Rocco Baldelli might rejoin the team; his 20-day rehab assignment at Double-A Montgomery expires after Friday.s game.
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
I see Rocco being optioned to Durham until the rosters expand
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jerk off? cry? play the show?
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
My first "buyer" deadline was a day i will always remember
ESPN -- The Red Sox Network
by St Pete Native on Jul 31, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
So what players are going to be available at the waiver wire again? And don't so Andrew Jones....
I meant what players that will be avilable that we would want to sign
What a story it would be if the Rays manage to maintain their place in the standings and pull off a magical playoff run while only adding Baldelli and Price.
I can hear the ESPN soap opera spin now: one, the highly-touted homegrown prospect whose career has been derailed by circumstances well beyond his control, and the other, a highly-touted and supremely confident prospect completely untested above Double-A lead the Rays to the promised land. Their grit, determination and youth combined with the invaluable veteran leadership of Troy Percival overcame all obstacles.
ANA 6
NYY 0
Top 4th
I wonder if this quote came from the AFRO
“There was so much attention, and so much effort, put into the big things,” said a frustrated official of one contender that came away with zilch, “and there were so many teams that thought they had a chance to get involved in one of those [whopper] deals, it pushed all the little deals down into the background. And by the time those deals got done or not done, there was really no time left to do the little things.”
Vogt early, Vogt often.
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