Fuentes to the Rays Might be a Near Reality
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 6, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
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PrintBoth teams have a need and interest in acquiring the reliever. But Tampa Bay is preparing to make the most aggressive play for the Rockies' closer, according to a major-league source. The Rays had a scout at Coors Field again Saturday. Opposing executives who have spoken with Tampa Bay say the Rays are determined to bolster their bullpen in an attempt to create separation between them and the Red Sox.
The Rockies are eyeing one quality player in return for Fuentes, and have liked Tampa Bay Double-A starters Wade Davis and Jeremy Hellickson in the past.
I really can't see it costing Davis or Hellickson in return, but I suppose we could see within the week. Fuentes ERA is unlucky, per BERA and PECOTA doesn't have him falling off until age 38 or so, even if he becomes a LOOGY only at that point.
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we can steal him away for Niemann and something. Fuentes would be awesome for us but in the end I don’t think the genius Andrew Friedman will give up Hellickson or Davis.
only problem is
I am sure we will still go for Bay/Nady/Fuentes which is also will require a top spect
With McGee hurt and another 2 or 3 traded….ouch.
Then again by September we should have Kazmir, Shields, Garza and Price. Just need Sonny/Jackson or anyone to just be a #5. I think we have enough depth.
Vinny Castilla keeps me worried about a Colorado Hitter.
Let’s not revisit that debacle
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 6, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
This guy?
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 6, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
FA at the end of the season
I can’t see us acquiring him and not re-signing him though.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 6, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
He was a type A last year, so two first rounders.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 6, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
OK
So then it’s not so bad giving up Hellickson or Davis in order to lock down our bullpen and prepare for a playoff run. We’d easily have the best pen in the majors… talk about shortening games.
Plus, Fuentes is due for some progressing.
His strand rate is below his career average by quite a bit. Our pen would be pretty dynamic:
Wheeler, Percival, Reyes, Fuentes, Howell, Miller, Balfour, yikes.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 6, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't like strand rate
It’s a symptom, not a cause. But yes, his .340 BABIP should fall big time, meaning fewer hits and more runners stranded.
Its hard to argue with Friedman's track record
but that sounds a bit ridiculous. Davis or Hellickson…..no way!
"They liked them in the past"
The Rockies are crazy if they like top 10 prospects in the best system. Just insane.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 6, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
If Fuentes is going to require Davis or Hellickson
What the hell are the Indians going to want for Sabathia? The Montgomery Biscuits?
They may want them, but they aren't going to get them.
This seems like pure speculation.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 6, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
The Tribe execs are going to stand outside Durham, Montgomery, Vero, Columbus
Like an old woman at a Ponderosa Buffet line.
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 6, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Won't matter.
Sabathia won’t be a Ray.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 6, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I am fully aware of that. Still kind of interesting.
Let’s say we trade 4-5 top prospects for Sabathia and in return get CC for a half of year, and two top round prospects in return. Still pretty interesting.
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 6, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Nieman and Hall
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 6, 2008 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
Columbus Hall
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 6, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You have a damn good point.
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 6, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Niemann in the pen?
How would Niemann fare right now in the bullpen? Or another one of the prospects? Is there a guy with one or two really good pitches that isn’t ready to make it as a starter, but could be a 3.00 ERA guy in relief? If so, you can’t beat the cost of that.
McGee and Kline are two that I totally see as relievers.
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 6, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally see Kline
not getting out of AA
Tools Whore
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Talbot has control of five with only one being considered "plus"
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 6, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
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Balfour’s been crazy good—does the scouting report back up the numbers? Will he/should he play a big role the second half the season?
Is there any worry about Percival and Wheeler turning homer-prone with their high FB rates? (Especially Percival, holy cow!)
The bulllpen sure does walk a lot of batters, huh?
Looking at Fuentes at Fangraphs, he appears to be the same pitcher as last year, although fewer of his flyballs are leaving the park and the Rockies fielders are allowing a colossal rise in BABIP (and therefore ERA).
The FO has to be worried about Percy
He hasn’t cost us a game yet, but at the rate he was going it is only going to be a matter of time. Hopefully this latest stint on the DL gets him back to his early season form
Unless we give up a B level at the maximum Fuentes max no sense...
Because of a man named David Price. Right now it doesn’t look like we need Price in the rotation this year. Sonny and Jackson are being serviceable. So put Price in the freaking pen. Same damn thing as Fuentes. Except better. And it doesn’t cost anything.
You don't really want a starter, and your future #2, 3, or 4 guy, in the pen
Right now, let the guy get stretched out in Montgomery. Let him get used to throwing 100 pitches and going every fifth day. We will see him September 2nd. If not I will eat crow for a year. I really do see Price starting against the Yanks on Sept. 2nd.
No need to let him go every other game in the pen. You want someone in the Pen? Chris Mason, Gino Gonzales, Dale Thayer, or that Cummings guy in Durham would be good names. But, we have that issue with Hammel, who I think is thrown into a trade as icing on the cake.
The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jul 6, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Why Sept. 2?
If the upgrade from Jackson to Price is that big of a deal, it’s worth not waiting for rosters to expand. And letting a pitching prospect adjust to the big leagues in the bullpen is a decent enough plan. But if the Rays think he’ll contribute as a starter this year, leave him there, I agree.
That doesn't help us win in the playoffs...
At this point a trade isn’t to get us to the playoffs as much as for us to WIN once we get to the playoffs. We do not need a 5 man rotation come playoff time. The top end needs to be top notch and the bullpen needs to be top notch. The only way Price to the rotation makes sense this year is he comes in as our #4 guy. If we aren’t giving him the ball in the playoffs then don’t make him a starter.
ya but price help us more than ejax will help us get to the playoffs
edwin is so inconsistent and youre never sure which edwin will show up, but price would be an upgrade over edwin and the rays wont need a 4 man rotation unless they make the alcs because the alds you really only need 3 starters (kaz,shields,garza) and if price dominants in his time in tampa then you start him over sonny in the alcs if we reach that series
ejax has been good
Not to get into this debate again, but why is Edwin widely considered a weak link on this team. He has been very good (4.08 ERA) for a back of the rotation starter. Sonny has pitched better lately, but I don’t think the difference between the two is as large as some like to make it seem.
I agree
I would love a left handed pitcher in the bullpen that can bring the heat…
Imagine having dual closers….
Dual closer…. it sounds like somethign baseball could adopt.
Percy and Price… thats a pretty cool thought
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I don’t think a couple months in the pen during a pennant race will stunt Price’s growth. I’m also all for him starting this year, but if he isn’t going to start in the majors this year then just put him in the pen. I’d much rather have him pitching in the pen this year than not make the majors.
I just think he can give us the exact same thing as Fuentes.
Fuentes is a must add for this team
Our current lefty specialist has a .612 OPS against lefties and cannot face righties. Fuentes has a .439 OPS against lefties and can also face righties who he has held to a .220 average this year in that joke of a park.
We can’t use Howell everyday but adding Fuentes gives us another Howell – or possibly better.
I don't see how it is even possible
We have a hardon for Gomes and Blake is small upgrade if a upgrade AT ALL over anyone else we have.
Brian Fuentes for Jeremy Hellickson or Wade Davis?
We got a better chance of RJ leaving us to be a Red Sox Fan. Seriously though, I would trade one of them and maybe another prospect for Jason Bay. I do like the fact that Fuentes is a Type A FA, so I’ll take 2 first rounders if we don’t sign him long term.
What about Ejax? Could we trade him for Bay straight up? Just a thought
but RJ does not even like the Rays...
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All it says is they like Hellickson and Davis
What GM wouldn’t? I think Jeff Niemann and another decent prospect can get this done. We can keep the big guys for Jason Bay. I would say Holliday but I don’t think he is wanted here.
If Fuentes is percieved as a key....
And the FO thinks they can lock him up for a couple more years, why not trade Hellickson or Davis? Fuentes has been well above average and could remain so for the next couple years. You’d hate to get rid of youth but that is what competitive teams are forced to do at times.
any chace we get Fuentes and Holliday
I’d give up Niemann and either Davis/Hellickson along with Hall/Ruggiano for the 2
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