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Let's use this as a dual thread, one part to post a new rumor and the other part to make predictions, eh?

First the rumor:

  • The Indians aren’t working on just one front, because there’s some rumor that Tampa Bay has interest in Casey Blake. I’m not sure how much sense this one makes, since Blake would be taking over the role held by Eric Hinske now. The difference? Blake’s a right-handed bat. I don’t see the Rays making a major deal, and certainly not something as crazy as Brian Fuentes for one of their top pitching prospects such as Wade Davis or Jeremy Hellickson.

Next the predictions, here's how this is going to go, you can guess up to three trades the Rays are going to make. You get a point for...

- Guessing the right player(s) either being traded for or to -- including Rays players/prospects.

- Guessing the right team/general manager the Rays deal with.

Rank the three moves on a "confidence" scale (1-3) with that acting a as a multiplier. So if your number 3 (most confident) move gains you two points, you actually get six, and so on. There aren't any negative points because, well, this isn't a hockey blog -- yet.

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Here's my guess...

1)Matt Murton to the Rays for Chris Mason…Jim Hendry/Cubs
2)Fuentes for Niemann and Fernando Perez…O’Dowd/Rockies
3)Jason Bay for Hellickson and Niemann….Huntington/Pirates

by td32 on Jul 7, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First Post!

A trade for Blake doesn’t make any sense at all. Blake hasn’t DH’d all year, and I personally don’t think he’s much of a step up from Hinske offensively. He makes no sense at all at 3rd base, Aybar has already shown to be a capable enough player there. I don’t think it makes any sense to trade for him, the Yanks and the Sox aren’t going to want him either unless A-Rod or Lowell get hurt.

Blake might make sense for a trade if Hinske is actually a piece in that trade, and even then, if the Rays really shouldn’t be offering another player in return unless each side throws in a prospect. I’m betting this one doesn’t happen.

by kericr on Jul 7, 2008 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FAIL

not 1st post :(

by kericr on Jul 7, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

I dont see where Blake fits in, unless it is to DH versus lefties. He does have some very solid splits against them, but that would be the only role I could see him having. But that would mean the Rays would probably get rid of Gomes for Blake…I dont see them doing that. It would be an upgrade over what Gomes has been doing, but what is it worth?

by td32 on Jul 7, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the last 4 or 5 years...

I’m not sure of the exact number, but it appears that Blake has has an OPS of around .900 against lefties.

by td32 on Jul 7, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another reason

Blake would be pissed to go from a capable starting 3rd baseman to a platoon DH and backup 3B. There’s no way he gets reps over Longoria.

by kericr on Jul 7, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems insane to talk trades during a winning streak, but...

I really think only two players could really be marked improvements on this club: Fuentes (who RJ has sold me on) and (maybe) a 30 HR guy like Jason Bay.

Predicting trades? What, am I getting paid for this? Okay, here’s one for free:

1.) Garry Glover for Casey Fossum.

B Rad the Ray Fan
9 = 8

by B Ray on Jul 7, 2008 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm happy to screw with a winning streak if it makes the team better

If you recognize weakness that will be exposed when your strengths struggle, you should fix them.

To me, some guys in the bullpen have been lucky so far (like Percival and Wheeler with not allowing homeruns). Do you hope that continues or do you make a move for relievers with better skills. They probably won’t perform better than the current relievers have so far, but they’re likely to pitch better than the current guys going forward.

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 7, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prediction

The Rays stand pat at the deadline.

by Kevin Gengler on Jul 7, 2008 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No to Blake...

I don’t see how Blake is an upgrade over Aybar. Give him some OF reps and the Rays will be ok.

by tallyray on Jul 7, 2008 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Want a laugh?

Rockies have told the Rays what they want for Holliday and his last name is Price, he is this lefty pitching for our AA team and he has some talent, may of heard of him.

Jason Bay please.

by joeybw on Jul 7, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If the Rays want Holliday

The Rockies have to throw into the deal that every road game the Rays play for the rest of the season has to be in Coors.

by kericr on Jul 7, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vincent Price?
Rockies have told the Rays what they want for Holliday and his last name is Price

by floridaroar on Jul 7, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just saw on MLBtr

that the Rox want David Price for Holliday (their GM must truly be Rocky Mtn High).

I could see us doing either of the following:

Fuentes for Niemann, Perez....O'dowd, Rockies
Mahay for same as above
or, the one I want the most would be Murton from the Hendry/Cubbies for a Mitch Talbot and someone like Jaso or Guzman.

Blake
USF--Class of '09

by usfraysfan on Jul 7, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It was Fuentes or Mahay for Niemann and Perez, or

Murton from Cubs for Talbot and either a prospect like Jaso or go ahead and throw in Hinske

Blake
USF--Class of '09

by usfraysfan on Jul 7, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can dig up Vincent Price and send him to Colorado

They must be feeling that Rocky Mountain “HIGH” if they even think they can get Price for Holliday.

Viscious rumor is all this is!

by John 63 on Jul 7, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh

I know the Rays are smart and this has almost a 0 chance of happening but after La Porta got traded, even seeing Price’s name mentioned scares me.

god damn Brewers

by joeybw on Jul 7, 2008 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Price isn't going anywhere.

Evan Longoria has more of a chance of being traded than Price.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 7, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Three:

1. George Sherrill for Desmond Jennings, Jeff Niemman, Sergio Pedroza[O’s]
2. Casey Blake for Jeff Niemmann[Indians]
3. Damaso Marte for John Jaso [Pirates]

by P Brady on Jul 7, 2008 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Baltimore is not going to trade with a division rival.

Besides, the bullpen is the easiest part of a team to build. Don’t give up too much talent for a single relief arm.

by BrianL on Jul 7, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Partially Agreed

While Sherrill would be nice because he is under control for a few more years at a good price, I believe he is over-rated and not worth nearly that much.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 7, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Casey Blake is a man of good character!

As for trading for Blake, a guy who is in the twilight of his career and just cannot hit? There aint no way I’d trade him for the 10 lbs. of Grouper I caught this weekend.

Maybe a 6-pack of PBR and some Boonesfarm, but this guy just hasn’t got what it takes to make this team remotely better.

Say NO to BLAKE!

by John 63 on Jul 7, 2008 12:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No Blake

He’s be a nice spare part, but would provide maybe a half-game upgrade. The only thing that makes this deal have any legs is that the Indians probably wouldn’t demand much.

Any chance a half-year shortstop rental makes sense? Jack Wilson? Christian Guzman? Neither should cost much, although Wilson’s signed through 2009 (with 2010 option—trade bait this off-season?)

Biggest areas for improvement, largest to smallest
- stud corner outfielder (i.e. Jason Bay)
- stud starter (true for every team and I doubt this is worth the cost - I back Price filling in, though)
stud reliever (not more filler, this team already has bullpen depth - they need a Howell-like ace)
shortstop (both hit and field)

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 7, 2008 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's mine

1. Brian Fuentes for Jeff Nieman and JT Hall-Rockies
2. Jason Bay for Chris Mason, Mitch Talbot, and Ryan Royster- Pirates
3. Eric Hinske and John Jaso for Michael Burgess- Nationals

For those of you who dont know who Burgess is, go look him up.

by dannythegreat on Jul 7, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No way in hell you get Burgess for that

I don’t care how brain dead the GM is..

by SuperB on Jul 7, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It also makes no sense for us

We’re winning. Not trading veterans for prospects

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 7, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well we didnt have any other need

I covered our two biggest needs in the first twot. If we get Bay than we have no need for Hinske and we can sell high on him. It would probally take a decent pitching prospect like Heath Rollins or Alex Cobb to get them to come around.

by dannythegreat on Jul 7, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Trades

The Rays will sign Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds out of retirement and hire Jose Canseco as a trainer.

by TBfisherman on Jul 7, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Trade Game

1) Kemp for Niemann + Hammel + Mason Colletti/Dodgers
2) Fuentes for Niemann + Perez or Ruggiano O’Dowd/Rockies
3) Nady + Paulino for Niemann + Talbot + Gomes or Ruggiano Huntington/Pirates
The scale of confidence are my numbers used

SC raysfan

by SC raysfan on Jul 7, 2008 5:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt Kemp

Is there an actual chance we get him? Imagine if Delmon Young actually filled his potential and wasn’t an asshole, you would have Matt Kemp.

I seem to like every proposal people have made for Bay, I really want him on this team.

by joeybw on Jul 7, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Deal with the Pirates

The Rays farm system is stocked, both with high-level talent (which we don’t want to trade) and some guys just below that level. The Pirates farm system is just terrible, we can give quantity instead of quality.

If the Rockies want a lot for Fuentes, then let’s go for Marte instead. He’s totally nasty against lefties, and can close if necessary (I hope it’s not.) They’ll want a lot for Bay, but Nady could be had relatively cheap and be a nice upgrade in RF.

Nady & Marte for Niemmen, Talbot, and a couple of guys lower in the minors with some potential.

They might also want Brignac if we look at Bay, and they think they can trade Wilson somewhere.

by TallMatt on Jul 8, 2008 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade game

1) Kemp + Kuo for Hammel + Zobrist + Perez + Dohmann Colletti/Dodgers
2) Nady for Niemann – Pirates
3) Do Nothing with Trades

by raysfan813 on Jul 8, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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