Goner is no Misnomer
Instead of talking about our usual left fielder I'm going to talk about yesterday's part-time left fielder, Jonny Gomes. A few years ago he looked to be one of our building blocks for the competitive teams -- which always seemed to be closer than they were, until then became now. He was the guy everyone wanted in the lineup, he was the hope, he was the charismatic and sometimes flamboyant slugger with a touching story of survival, and of course he was also the guy who made sometimes hilarious mistakes that, for a time, were just bullet points on his résumé of endearment.
Familiarity breeds contempt and Gomes numbers don't supplant the empty feeling when his name is in the lineup. Ironically the end Gomes could very well be a right-handed hitting power hitter, something he was until this year, and even that is not entirely true. Look no further than Gomes homerun/flyball percentage and his trajectory splits to realize that Gomes has been pretty abnormal this season. Sure his 52.3% flyballs are pretty normal, and that 13.3% homerun total looks fine, in fact throw the 8.9% infield flyballs and again we're pretty fine, but then we reach his line drive and groundball percentages; 9.3% (career: 19.1%) and 38.4% (career: 28.8%).You just found the culprit for his .203 BABIP.
The most shocking thing about Gomes is that his strikeout rates are actually down, yes down. With playing time considered Gomes strikeout percentage as at a career high 36.2%, this season Gomes is only striking out 26.1%, below his 32.4% average. Unfortunately Gomes is also walking only 8% of the time which isn't too far off from his 10.6% average yet combined with a weak BABIP has Gomes line looking like .191/.293/.391.
To complicate matters even more Gomes is actually swinging out of the zone at higher rates than before and by a pretty decent margin (34.19%). Gomes has increased his contact to 75% by becoming more aggressive and less patient, lowering his P/PA to a career low 3.72 even with an epic at-bat against Damaso Marte, take that away and Gomes sees roughly 3.66 P/PA, that's nearing Carl Cra...uh, that's nearing Jason Bartlett levels.
So here's the thing, Gomes numbers will almost certainly progress towards the mean which would make him an asset, however he's only good for hitting despite saying he hits better as a fielder. The Rays are almost certainly going to continue using a platoon unless a full-time right fielder is acquired and that means Eric Hinske or Gabe Gross, whoever the left-handed bat is, will almost undoubtedly get the lion's share of work which presents a problem for Gomes future in St. Pete.
Good clubhouse guy, fun to watch during crappy seasons, but Gomes spending next year in the Rays colors is beginning to seem quite unlikely.
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Make him a 3rd base coach.
Make him a 3rd base coach just to keep him on the team as an enforcer. MLB has set a precedent, if a base coach joins a bench clearing brawl and throws a starting pitcher to the ground they won’t be suspended. They were just “trying to break it up”. Yeah I am being sarcastic. Still bitter that Demarlo Hale was not suspended.
If Johnny needs to be traded so be it.
I wonder if the Mariners would be willing to deal Sexson for Gomes. Both are righty power hitters. A change of scenery could work for both of them. I think Sexson has a few good swings left in him. If I am being an idiot I am sure you all will let me know lol.
by PewterPirate55 on
Jul 8, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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I think your on to something...
but he should be the 1st base coach not 3rd. We get to keep Jonny’s upbeat intense personality around. Plus I think a hat rack could do a better job at 1st then Hendrick. At least the hat rack wouldn’t forget Carl’s wrist brace half the time.
by Sveet on
Jul 8, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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Wow...a George Hendrick slam....
Feels like 1981….
by JWallace on
Jul 8, 2008 3:55 PM EDT
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Can't get rid of Jon Gomes fast enough....
I have been saying this for a year now!
This guy isn’t fun to watch when your watching a losing team either.
Mound Visit
by Mound Visit on
Jul 8, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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Just a quick thought about the left fielders
First our current. I railed on Crawford yesterday for whining about being asked to play center. I’ll praise him today for admitting that he flubbed in the field on a hit that cost the Rays a run without trying to blame the fact that he played in center. I still don’t like the whining, but it’s hard to lash out on someone who is falling on their own sword.
As for Gomes, the last half of what RJ is saying shadows my perspective on him. If he hits better when he plays in the field, than he needs to play in the field. Unfortunately, he can’t play in the field here. On a team that relies heavily on defense, the potential in his bat does not make up for his lack of talent in the field, and this team is too close to contention to do any more mad scientist experiments to try to have players grow into roles that they start out completely incapable of handling.
Gomes kinda got a raw deal when he hurt his sholder in 2005 and tried to play through it instead of going to the DL and let himself heal up. I think that his production suffered directly as a result of his injury, but his reluctance to go on the DL and instead try to fight through the injury for 2+ months pretty much allowed him play himself out of any second chance that might of been given to him if he allowed himself to heal up.
I insist that Gomes is a good enough guy that I want to see him succeed. But he needs to go to a team that is willing to give him a shot; a team that is starting a rebuild like the Mariners, Indians, or Pirates. He just doesn’t seem to belong anywhere else because he’s just not good enough to play for a contender right now.
by kericr on
Jul 8, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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Agreed
I can’t think of anything to add to what you and RJ both said. I love Gomes and if there was any way to keep him around as a second mascot then I’d do it, but I think its time for him to try to be successful somewhere else.
Even if his career as a player isn’t much longer, I don’t think we have heard that last from the guy. We will see him catch on somewhere someday as a coach.
Blake
USF--Class of '09
by usfraysfan on
Jul 8, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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Everyone loves Gomes
I think we are all starting to realize the end is near for him on this team, but Gomes is the type of guy who will get a standing O from the crowd if he ever returns with another team.
by Sveet on
Jul 8, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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Quick clarification on years
2005 was his rookie season, 2006 was the season where he went on the DL for sholder surgery. He was placed in August and Delmon Young was recalled. I know he said that his sholder had been hurting him for a couple of months, and I distinctly remember there was a game where he was playing in the outfield, and I don’t remember if he jammed it running into the wall or messed it up sliding on a steal attempt, but after the injury he stopped making starts in the outfield completely. Anyone know what I’m talking about?
by kericr on
Jul 8, 2008 4:15 PM EDT
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It's Ruggiano time
Just brings more to the table than Gomes, and in the lesser PT part of a platoon, defense and BA are more important than the occassional bomb. That Gomes makes 3X the minimum and an arb 2 seals his fate. May as well see if he can bring something in trade – but don’t expect much. If not it’s non-tender time in Dec.
by nyyfaninlaaland on
Jul 8, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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Gomes is to the Rays what Alstott was to the Bucs
We’ve held onto him longer than we should have. His popularity outweighs his usefulness to the club. His limited skills are not a compliment to what this team is trying to accomplish. He can’t steal bases well or situational hit. His John Daly grip it and rip it strategy at the plate is exposed by most pitchers more often than not. His poor defense prohibits him from being an everyday player here yet his swing is one that needs a lot of repetition in order to be productive. He should be given that chance to do that elsewhere because there are too many other more talented players in front of him. If we do have post-season games this year, it would suck he couldn’t enjoy them after losing for so long but I’m sure the players would vote him a full share of anything that comes our way.
by Jason Collette on
Jul 8, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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I have no objection to trading Gomes
although I doubt we could get anything for him now which makes it the worst time to do it.
But I want to remind people that we are talking about 125 plate appearances this year. On April 18, when most of his appearances were as a starter, he was hitting .300/.408/.575. He slumped over the next few games, and since then has generally been used for 1 AB per game.
For comparison’s sake, on May 6, after 27 games and 108 plate appearances, Jason Giambi was batting .157/.324/.386. In a stretch nearly as long as Gomes’s extended slump, he had a better but still mediocre OBP and a worse BA and Slugging %. His isolated slugging was slightly higher than Gomes’s. He is now one of the 5 contenders for the final all-star berth.
In no way am I comparing the two players. But it is a warning about assuming a player is washed up after 100-150 PAs. The danger is that by the very rhythm of the game, you jettison a player at his nadir and lose out on his recovery.
Everything in Gomes’s history screams out that he will mash lefties. I think it was Brattain who very reasonably argued that considering regression to the mean can be misleading because the regression may not occur within the 162 game season. So it is entirely possible that Gomes will simply continue to be terrible most of the year and only “regress” sometime next year or thereafter.
But it is equally possible that he will begin mashing again soon. And while Ruggiano seems to be a viable alternative at bat with more value in the field, there is nothing in his career to suggest that he will hit better than Jonny in the majors.
Again, I think it reasonable to replace him but I do not think it is so clear-cut as some make it out to be. We would be essentially giving him away and losing out on any possible resurgence.
by bobr on
Jul 8, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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I love it...
some reasonable love for Gomes as a player. rec’d
by Sveet on
Jul 8, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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All valid points
but he is a liability both against RHP and overall defensively. A team should not carry 2 DHs.
by Jason Collette on
Jul 8, 2008 3:53 PM EDT
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We need Gomes to come around badly
Clearly he’s been terrible, but this team as a whole is getting murdered against lefties. Floyd, Gross and Hinske (as expected) have OPS under .620. And our regulars like Pena, Crawford and Aki aren’t doing much better. All are under .700. (Last year all three were well over .800) Longoria, Upton and Navarro are doing great, but if Gomes gets back to the .900s like he was last year, that would be huge. (Pena too…) Talk about putting a thought in Francona’s mind when he goes to a Javier Lopez or when the Angels turn to lefty killer Scot Shields.
by JWallace on
Jul 8, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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I used to love Gomes
but he hurts the team more than he helps it. with his glove and his impatient bat. Gomes would do very well in Coors when he makes contact so maybe there will be something there.
by joeybw on
Jul 8, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
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You missed the worst GDT experience ever last night at LL.
DRB invasions =/= good ideas.
by R.J. Anderson on
Jul 8, 2008 5:18 PM EDT
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Cliff Notes:
Abuse of:
- Large pictures
- +1
- That’s what she said
- Asking how big Washburn’s “tool” was…(don’t ask)
- Furry gifs
ect.
by R.J. Anderson on
Jul 8, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
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So... mission accomplished?
Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!
by RATW on
Jul 8, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
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They never want to see us again.
by R.J. Anderson on
Jul 8, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
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Perfect. I should go over there more often.
Longlorious.
Free Kila Kaaihue!
by RATW on
Jul 9, 2008 12:18 AM EDT
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I will retract my statement
If he helps us beat the Yanks tonight. I have a short term memory.
by joeybw on
Jul 8, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
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I think Gomes has outlived his usefulness to the Rays
Given our needs at the present moment, but I absolutely do not believe that he has no value as a major league player. I believe that for some struggling team with a hole at DH or in RF, Gomes could be a very appealing answer. Obviously he is not performing well right now, but his track record would indicate that he will eventually start producing offensively.
It just seems to me that Gomes is one of those players who will probably succeed with a different team, having been removed from this organization. And that has nothing to do with the atmosphere or any clubhouse politics at all. It has everything to do with the fact that this team simply is not in a position to give him the playing time that he needs to prove himself, and I can’t envision a scenario in the foreseeable future in which he will receive adequate playing time here.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on
Jul 9, 2008 12:52 AM EDT
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Can we try and make Gomes a pitcher?
Pull a reverse Ankiel.
by P Brady on
Jul 9, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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He'd be doing himself a favor
if he learned to play first base. We still wouldn’t have room for him, but he’d make himself a whole lot more useful to an NL team. He seems like he has enough athletic ability to be at least decent at first base. It’s worth a shot to increase his opportunities.
The artist formerly known as TonyT
by acelion on
Jul 10, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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