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by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
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PrintGreat news from the Rocco rehab check: his line drive percentage is apparently up to 11%! The sample size is still extremely small, but it seems like these past few days have featured a few more Rocco liners which is extremely encouraging. Using the MLE caclulator at minorleaguesplits.com Rocco's numbers at Montgomery translate to a .813 OPS at the major league level. Tonight is Rocco's last rehab game in Montgomery and the Rays take on lefty Kenny Rogers tomorrow night, could that be Baldelli's return to the Trop?
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it'd be nice, but it's doubtful
after going 7 in the field tonight, i highly doubt the let him play at all tomorrow.
Dear god lets hope so
I’m actually taking the excruciating drive down to St. Pete tomorrow and Baldelli makes it all worth it. Plus the Lord and Savior Beej figurines should be good.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
Of course
but James is a sideshow compared to the main attraction. I would still be going if he wasn’t there.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 1, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Just so I have everything understood properly
Unless the Rays come up with another “injury” to start another rehab assignment, the only real option is for him to return to the major league club, correct? I mean I guess they could have him workout on his own, but he doesn’t have the option to play anymore in the minors, right?
Blake
USF--Class of '09
He's never been optioned to the minors while on the 40 man
So I believe he’s got three options remaining.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
apparently i don't understand how options work,
many players have never been optioned to the minors while on the 40 man, but isn’t there some provision about active ML time, or games played, that negate that stipulation?
I think you're incorrect
Options explained via wikipedia:
If a player is on the 40-man roster but not on the active major league roster, he is said to be on optional assignment—his organization may freely move him between the major league club and the minor league club. If a player is on the 40-man roster and not the active 25 man roster for any part of more than three seasons, he is out of options and may not be assigned to the minors without first clearing waivers. However, if a player has less than 5 years of professional experience, he may be optioned to the minors in a fourth season without being subject to waivers. If a major league player is ineligible for free agency and “has options” remaining, his team may option him to a minor league team without consequence. This is usually what is meant when players are “sent down” to the minors. Likewise, when a player on the 40-man roster is added to the active major league roster, he is “called up” to the majors.
According to Rays Index
Baldelli has one option year left.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 1, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Another link
Neyer explains options (scroll down)
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 1, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
but Rocco has both 5+ years of professional experience,
and 3+ years on the 40 man. i don’t see how he has any options remaining.
According to neyer
After three years as a pro, a player must be protected on a team’s 40-man roster, or he is eligible for the Rule 5 draft (more on that later). Once he’s served those three years, and assuming he is added to the 40-man roster, his club then has what are called “options” on him.When a player is on the 40-man roster but not on the 25-man Major League roster, he is on “optional assignment.” One common misconception about the rules is that a player may only be “optioned out” three times. Actually, each player has three option years, and he can be sent up and down as many times as the club chooses within those three seasons.
If I am reding this correctly: Baldelli is in his 6th year as a pro. After the first 3, years, team has 3 option years, this being his last.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 1, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
From SOS Wiki
Whether minor-league players are added to the 40-man roster to be protected during the Rule 5 draft or as an injury replacement or callup during the season, they often need to be sent back to the minor leagues. In order send a player back to the minors while retaining him on the 40-man roster, a team can send him down on an optional assignment (option for short). In general, a player has three options – this means he can be optioned down in three different years. If a player is optioned down twice in one year, it only counts for one option. After a player has used up all his options, he must be kept on the 25-man roster or passed through waivers.
My understanding of that is the options are maintained IF they aren’t used. So it’s not a first three season thing, BUT I believe players with so many years of experience can refuse the assignment and become free agents.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Here
* If a player has accrued five years of Major League service time, he has the right to refuse an optional assignment and elect free agency.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Baldelli has 5 years of service time?
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 1, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Entering this year he had 5 exact.
MLB DL time counts as service time.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, with the possible exception you cite
Options are based on years, not number of times optioned
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 1, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, as in three option years.
So a player can be optioned down as many times as need be in that given season. Say we were to call up Price, that would be one option used (assuming it’s not September), we could demote him and then bring him back up after 10 days and that’s still only one option used.
Options aren’t based on number of OVERALL times optioned, but rather on number of YEARS where an optional assignment was given.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
correct
Assuming I have reading comprehension skills
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 1, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Really I don't know if he has 3 or 1, but it seems to me the case can be made he has 3.
Of course Maddon was quoted as saying he wouldn’t go to Durham, so I guess it’s irrelevant.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
On the 40 man BUT NOT ON THE 25 MAN
Rocco’s never been on the 40-man but not on the 25 man, except due to injuries.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
does this not apply to Rocco?
“When you hear that a player is “out of options,” that means he’s been on the 40-man roster during three different seasons, beginning with his fourth as a pro, and to be sent down again he’ll have to clear waivers”
No no no no no
In order for someone to have an option year taken, there are two requirements:
1) The person is on the 40-man roster
2) The person is not on the 25-man roster (other than by reason of injury, suspension, etc.)
Ever since Rocco came up, he has never been off the 25-man roster, except due to injury. Thus, he has all his option years remaining.
There is also a rule similar to the 10/5 rule that allows a player to refuse an option and become a free agent if they’re optioned, but I’m pretty sure Rocco hasn’t gotten there yet.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
And of course
if I had read further down, I would see that all of this was already explained, and that he indeed has hit the veteran rule period.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
good bye reyes, hello Salas
good bye Gross, hello Ruggiano
after those simple 4 moves, our team will be much improved, and pretty complete if you ask me.
I'll still be a little surprised to see Gross go
I think they may wait and see and then just bring up Ruggs in September
Blake
USF--Class of '09
i wouldn't
Gross has been worthless at the plate the past 2 months. Ruggs has the same defense, and more offensive upside. i wouldn’t be surprised to see a move soon.
Wrong.
Gross had an awful July, but a great June. He also saw his ABs plummet in July.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=grossga01&year=2008#dates-month
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
DFA him a .000 BA
is the only stat I need to see.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 1, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
2 months, 1 month, just semantics
point is we can upgrade internally and shoudln’t hesitate to do so.
Agreed.
If the offensive productions are similar and you must choose one, go with the guy who actually plays defense.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't think i said anything about Floyd,
though if Baldelli and Ruggiano are brought up, Gross has no place on this team. he will not DH, and that already gives us 4OF’s. unless Roccis is strictly DH, which i don’t forsee, Gross is gone in that scenario.
I don't think they'll bring up Ruggs until September callups
Or unless the team decides to fold tent on Gomes, and as bad as he’s been, he’d actually have to be worse for that to happen.
dude is still hitting above .300, has been all year,
with Gomes still below .200, i really don’t think they will need much more reason to give Ruggs a shot.
Gomes could hit .300 at Durham
Has before.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 1, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Saying that Gross has no place on this team
is saying that Floyd does. Which is simply wrong.
If the offensive productions are similar and you must choose one, go with the guy who actually plays defense
I don’t see how this is hard to figure out.
regardless of production, IN THAT MOTHER FUCKING SCENARIO,
Gross will have no place on this team. i don’t see why that is so hard to figure out?? i’m not advocating for Floyd over Gross, but if Ruggiano and Baldelli get called up, Gross and most likely Gomes are both gone. Floyd will still get the call at DH against righties.
YOU DONT CUT A MOTHER FUCKER JUST BECAUSE HE CAN PLAY THE FIELD
which is exactly what you’re saying we should do. Cutting Gross just because Ruggiano and Baldelli can play the field is FUCKING IGNORANT.
ANY way you slice it, IN ANY SCENERIO, Gross has more value to the team than Floyd.
And you get a -1 for forgetting that Hinske is complete shit in the field.
by Vin on Aug 1, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't carry 5 of's unless they will DH aswell,
and with Hinske BEING SHIT IN THE FIELD, he will DH, as will Floyd and probably Baldelli as well. i’m not advocating cutting a mother fucker just b/c he can play the field, i’m saying there will be no place for him on this team. that’s not a slap at him, or any indication of how he’s performed, it’s just something that happens to teams ALL THE MOTHER FUCKING TIME, you make trades, or promotions, and guys become redundant, expendable, or just not playable.
SMFH
Explain to me how having an extra outfielder is more redundant than having two lefthanded DH’s…
Just quit now.
by Vin on Aug 1, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
you, dipshit
and with Hinske BEING SHIT IN THE FIELD, he will DH, as will Floyd
by Vin on Aug 1, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
in that scenario,
they will keep Hinske and play him in the field if necessary. i don’t want it, but they’re not going to cut Floyd and keep Gross IN THAT SCENARIO.
There is simply no scenerio
you can present that could justify keeping Floyd over Gross. So stop trying.
You want a reason to keep Gross over Floyd as the DH too? How about he’s 7 years younger, is under team control until 2011, and can run the bases infinitely better.
Really, just quit.
by Vin on Aug 1, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i'll put 5$ on it right now,
that if both Baldelli and Ruggs are called up, Gross goes before Floyd.
and I accepted, dick
If you’re going to throw your crazy ass ideas out there don’t be so defensive when they’re shot down.
by Vin on Aug 1, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
crazy ass ideas?
i think i rationally supported every one of my ideas, in the scenarios i purported. nothing i said was in any way crazy. i’m not being defensive b/c you disagree, it’s the way you went about disagreeing.
regardless of production, IN THAT MOTHER FUCKING SCENARIO,
Apparently.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
it gets aggravating saying "in that/this scenario"
a million mother fucking times, and people seem to just ignore that whole phrase and extrapolate everything you’re saying to whatever parameters they see fit.
i don't want Floyd anymore either,
i’d rather see a Hinske/Baldelli DH when he’s not in the field, and a Hinske/Ruggs DH when baldelli is in the field.
if you are keeping a player who will NEVER see the OF, you are keeping him as a DH
and in that case, if they call up both Ruggs and Baldelli, gross will NEVER see the field, his fielding prowess means nothing, and Floyds superior batting numbers are the only thing that matters. they may not be far superior, but they are better.
Am I the only one who thinks that a combo of Ruggs/Baldelli/Gross would be outstanding purely for the fact that 3 out of 3 can play anywhere in the OF?
In Gross/Gomes/Floyd only 2 out of 3 can play the OF.
by EminenceFront on Aug 1, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, so we'll have 3 RF's? and a bunch of guys sitting on the bench.
you can’t have all 3 of htem, b/c one of them will NEVER see the batters box. either Rocco will play RH, and then our DH’s will DH. or Gross will play, leaving Rocco to DH against lefties. or Ruggs will play, still leaving Rocco to Dh against lefties. meaning no matter what scenario you throw out, one of them will never bat. you just can’t carry 5 OF’s, unless you plan to DH all of them aswell.
But what about
Rocco getting some PT at 1B. Aybar/Hinske isn’t all that great over there as backups and it would be another way to get Rocco AB’s without having him strain himself in RF.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
i honestly have never seen Baldelli play 1b. and i don’t think that it’s all that easy to just pick it up now, i don’t really think that’s a good option, at least not now.
All I'm saying is that Rocco has a beard
& Jesus had a beard. Miracles and such.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
Speaking of miracles
Rocco was almost completely bald a year ago, and not he has a full head of hair again. Hallelujah!
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Growing a beard is for powerful men
But don’t lose the beard, otherwise your power will be sapped. Just look at Jesus, Chuck Norris, or Chewbacca.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
dammit
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
I admit I'm a big Gross fan so I have a bias
but I don’t think you can count one bad month against him, especially since he was given little to know chance during July. He has the best defense out their in right field and has proven to be a pretty good clutch hitter.
Blake
USF--Class of '09
I heart Charlie
In a strictly platonic way
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 1, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure who to reply to here
So I’m not.
Floyd is completely redundant. He has been for a while. The ONLY reason to maybe keep him around is because he has veteran experience, and guys in the bullpen usually don’t get to see position players much (and thus Percival couldn’t have much of an effect on those guys).
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Longoria seems to like Hinske a lot.
Growing the same facial hair and using Pantera and such.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
When is Hinske's metal drumming going to play out in the numbers
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
I thought he used Pantera once lately?
Otherwise I think you’re right. I probably imagined it.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He changed his song
After the ASB. God I’m a nerd.
On another random night, am I the only one dissapointed that player intros weren’t changed for 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s night (well maybe not so much 80’s but you get the point). Made the theme nights seem a little lazy.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 1, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he change it from pantera to tantric?
cause I was at the MC hammer game and it was Tantric
god we sound gay right now
He changed it to something new
it used to be down and out but it is no longer.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
Either today or tomorow
I kinda liked the idea of bringing it for African American Celebration night….
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
haha good point
but you’d probably get some TV airtime if you bring it tonight since tomorrow’s game isn’t televised….
forgot not on tv saturday
gotta go get supplies after I shower… I am still on West Coast time, just woke up.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
Also, there wasn't room above for this, but it is priceless
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
Someone is trying to make up for the fact that they are into trannies....
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Aug 1, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Whatchoo talkin bout Willis
guy tries to compliment one woman on her baseball knowledge during an online roundtable and all hell breaks loose. Just goes to show real women don’t know dick about baseball.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 1, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Women....dick...hilarious.
...you still said she would be a cool girlfriend. At least you found out before things got hot and heavy between you.
Boom. Outta Here.
regardless of all this nonsense, any guesses on what happens in the off season?
we’re going to have to add Davis, Morlan, Mcgee, Thayer, Mason & Royster all to the 40 man of risk losing them in the rule 5 next year. that’s 6 guys, that’s a lot of moves to be made. obv next year we probably won’t see Reyes, Miller, possibly Percival, so that covers Thayer, probalby Mason, and maybe Davis to start out? who knows…
you really think so?
think they’ll just let him walk? it’d be a shame, i know he’s old for the minors, but the guy has never been anything but stellar throughout his career, and is having maybe the best year of his career presently. i at least see him getting a shot next spring to compete for a spot, seems to be decent against righties…
He wasn't chosen last year in the R5
I also don’t expect to see Royster added because I can’t imagine him sticking on a 25 man all year.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i really hope that rocco is back tomorrow since gomes sucks and bring up ruggs also
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08!
well they only let him go 5, instead of the scheduled 7,
so maybe they are planning on playing him today?
Flying to St. Pete today to be re-evaluated.
I’m thinking probably tomorrow, but maybe not.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 2, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
plenty of time to eveluate and clear to play today if they want,
i imagine the physical will be more of a formality, not a long battery of tests.
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