The Truth About B.J. Upton Part 2
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 12, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
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I wish I could say I didn't think I would have to do a part two but I guess that's assuming too much. I do want to thank Bobby Fenton for being one of the more logical people when talking about Upton. Listen to Bobby on 1010 from 9-12, and he's been pinch hitting on Sporting News radio lately.
B.J. Upton is selfish because he wants to go year by year with his contracts.
Okay, and so are Tim Lincecum, Cole Hamels, and Felix Hernandez.
B.J. Upton never looks at the third base coach for signs.
Yeah, no.
B.J. Upton tries to make the game about himself when he strikes out.
Yes, God forbid he show disappointment in himself, otherwise he would be labeled as a guy who doesn't care if he does bad. Ben Grieve tried the silent worker thing and he's forever became a pariah.
B.J. Upton is jealous of Evan Longoria's contract.
Why would he be when it's likely he's gotten similar offers from the Rays? B.J. Upton also received a 4.6 million signing bonus paid over five years since 2002 and is making nearly a half of a million this season. Longoria got a three million dollar signing bonus and is making a half a million this year. Upton has been in the majors a year longer than Longoria. Unless there's some seedy stuff going on Upton has made more money in his professional career than Longoria.
B.J. Upton is Mike Cameron.
But I thought Upton was bad on defense? This comparison makes no sense beyond both being range blessed black outfielders. Cameron's career high for walks in a season is 80, Upton has 80 in 112 games this season. I suppose the caveat is that Cameron has played for six teams in 14 seasons, but even then let's take a realistic look at his moves:
- Drafted by White Sox in 1991.
- Traded to the Reds for Paul Konerko in 1998.
- Traded to the Mariners (with others) for Ken Griffey Jr. in 2000.
- 2003 signed as a free agent with the Mets
- 2005 traded to the Padres for Xavier Nady
- 2008 signed with the Brewers.
B.J. Upton is selfish for unsuccessfully stealing third base a lot.
Now you could say the tactic of stealing third is a risky and a bit careless, but obviously Joe Maddon wants Upton to run. Yes Upton leads the league in caught stealing by three over Hanley Ramirez, Jose Reyes, and Ryan Theriot, but he also has eight more stolen bases than Ramirez, one less than Reyes, and 19 more than Theriot. The general sabermetrics rule of thumb is the stolen base threat is worth it, as long as you can be successful 75% of the time, Upton is not, but he's actually got a better SB% than Ramirez, Theriot and even speedster Carlos Gomez.
B.J. Upton needs to be more like Carl Crawford.
I don't particularly get this one. Crawford has complained out lout more than Upton, and by out loud I mean into the press. I suppose that would be better for those who would gain from his sound bytes.
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you want the truth, you cant handle the truth!
bj upton is lazy, so lazy that his name is bj because he is too lazy to spell out his name.
Longo=ROY. Friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08! fiddler cat=best way to show your excitement. BJ UPTON IS NOT LAZY! ! ! Gabe Gross=caption clutch.
by RaysOfHope on Aug 12, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would you want to go by Melvin?
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell no, i was jk
i have always liked bj upton since the day he was drafted i was waiting for this kid to arrive here
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 12, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard so many radio hosts hop on the bandwagon...
And rip BJ…..it is getting disgusting. I’ve called up to a couple shows, and usually the hosts will back off and agree when presented with facts in a non confrontational way. Then, when people call up to bash him again, they get right back on it. They will point out 2 or 3 times when BJ has loafed, and it is difficult to counter their claims.
It IS true BJ has loafed from time to time….but they are going way overboard with the criticism.
by td32 on Aug 12, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only thing you can do is point out when other plays dog it
by matthan on Aug 12, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah....That's what I did..
Floyd, CC, Gross, even Baldelli jogged on a gb back to the pitcher. It is borderline ridiculous.
by td32 on Aug 12, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe the smear campaign going against Upton
I have no idea why people would want to bring this kid down. No wonder he doesn’t want to sign a contract.
by matthan on Aug 12, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"BJ Upton is Mike Cameron" -- GREAT!
Mike Cameron was an awesome player in his prime. He was consistently one win better than average offensively (.350 OBP, .470 SLG) and the best fielding center fielder, maybe 1.5 to 2.0 wins above average. With position adjustment, that’s about three wins better than average, a solid All-Star.
Right now, Upton is not quite that good.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 12, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem is apparently the guy made a snide reference that Upton will be on "seven teams during his career"
So it was less a statement on talent, and more a statement on transactions.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 12, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly anyone that believes Crawford is better than Upton in pretty much any way should not have a radio show or lead any forum of discussion
by matthan on Aug 12, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
add Jason Stark to that list
who called Crawford the Rays most irreplaceable player this morning on ESPN radio.
by Jason Collette on Aug 12, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duemig would go gay for Baldelli
That’s the draw I got from listening to him ramble on about Upton (again) yesterday. He’s convinced that Baldelli is still as fast, is just as athletic, is better defensively, and will never succumb to another injury. He crushes on Baldelli so hard that he’s blind to the truth that Baldelli will never be this team’s starting CF on a consistent basis ever again. Baldelli isn’t as fast, or as strong, or as athletic as he used to be, he hits for better power but is just as patient at the plate as Crawford is, and he’s never going to be starting player healthy unless he magically recovers from his disease and can play without antibiotics every day.
He’s got a mitochondrial disorder, not a midichlorian one. Doctors don’t make this shit up.
by kericr on Aug 12, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
two things
1. a healthy baldelli is: faster, better defensively, has just as good an arm, and is just as athletic. given, we don’t know his level of health, but in a vacuum baldelli is better in the OF, and faster too.
2. i don’t think he’s on antibiotics, my guess would be some steroid combo with vitamin shots and a bunch of other cocktails.
by davidsmarch on Aug 12, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but in a vacuum baldelli is better in the OF, and faster too.
You have got to be kidding me.
by Vin on Aug 12, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyler's already been down that road.
And has already explained how he not only doesn’t have a better arm than BJ, he doesn’t even have a plus arm. All of those outfield assists were mostly an abberation due to guys running on him during his rookie year.
I’m pretty sure he covered range also, but I dunno.
by Vin on Aug 12, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Using that handy method I've been using
And using Baldelli’s 2004/2006 numbers and Upton’s 2007/2008 numbers I found that Upton is about 25 plays better per 100 chances than Rocco.
Of course that’s not a definitive answer, and I wish I had access to Rocco’s 2003 numbers, but what can you do?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 12, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously?
isn’t that HUGE? we are talking about fielding range here, right?
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 12, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it's 17 plays.
I messed up on entering the equation.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 12, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll sum it up one more time for people
who seem not to be able to understand that Rocco was not elite defensively (yes he was a solid defender, but he was never a GG type CF) and definitely didn’t have an elite arm. Scouts rated his as average and his accuracy was a huge part of that. His arm strength isn’t great, but he was extremely accurate. He lost a lot of that accuracy after he had TJ (has he gotten it back? I dunno, it’s possible that his muscle memory has returned since he last played).
Baldelli isn’t as fast as BJ now, will never be faster than BJ and never was faster than BJ.
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by Tyler on Aug 12, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I hope so.
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by P Brady on Aug 12, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upton might have a better SB rate than 75% because being picked off counts as caught stealing. I'd like to know how many times he was caught stealing and was not picked off.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on Aug 12, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
To see intent?. People get picked off by either being fooled, or napping. The former means poor base-running, while I guess the latter could be considered laziness. Upton is usually picked off for the former based on my recollections
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 12, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to see how many times he gets caught stealing when he is actually trying to steal a base, i guess.
9 = 8
by websterjtc on Aug 12, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its unfair to differentiate in such a way
I’m not a fan of intent based rules, and would rather just assume a baserunner takes too big of a lead for a reason
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 12, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he brushes all this stuff
off his shoulder like Obama.
I can’t understand why any team wouldn’t want Upton. Would be different if he was 36 … why give a guy near the beginning of his career more grief than the guys who are near the end?
by Gator80 on Aug 12, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because he's young, and he's black and his hat's real low
/Jay Z
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 12, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because he was doin' fiddy-five in a fiddy-four?
Boom. Outta Here.
by WillisDaddy on Aug 12, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know while everyone hates on Bossman
Bossman is starting to get his swing starght, and seems to get a walk or 2 every game, him and Zoby have the best eye’s on the team.
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
zoby has a good eye? maybe in the minors, but has it translated yet?
9 = 8
by websterjtc on Aug 12, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Know what's a strike and being able to hit said strike are two different skills.
Zobrist is overmatched at the big league level, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a good eye.
by Peter Bendix on Aug 12, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zoby Isn't overmatched
Zoby can draw the walk when it’s needed, he’s patient, that would have been a better word for it. for example, Longoria is very aggresive and hardly ever walks compared to the other players like Pena, don’t even get me on Crawford’s great first pitch swing and see what happens.
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya but Gross hits a lot of first pitch homers
I was at the 6batter 6run comeback! Gross made me cry…
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was at it too
but that doesn’t mean I can’t use the reply system. Hit the reply button to a comment that you want to continue a discussion about. It makes it easier to follow the discussion.
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm guilty too
but I’m guessing you know that, since my comment was deleted.
by Vin on Aug 12, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hidden due to the reply that followed it.
I’d rather not have flame wars.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 12, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FLAME WAR!
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One Freaking Game at a Time!
That was enough to stifle my voice??
?!
Nah, its cool. Although you should probably know by now that I don’t have to attention span for a flam war.
by Vin on Aug 12, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't the reply.
The reply I’m referencing was hidden with your comment.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 12, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
R.J. Which web site you get that from?
Am i the nazi?
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was talking to SRQman
And use Fangraphs.com as well as Baseball-reference, you’ll see a red part that says “see pitch data”, click that.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 12, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't reply cuz Looking up possibilities for post season
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF are you talking about?
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SRQ
Did you hear Rich Herrara say the “Proof is in the Pudding” lol it was halarious!
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
T.Y. R.J.
That was alotta periods. I need to figure out my bro’s user name. Whats everyone thought on Barry.
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cud u teach me how to click the comment button...
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I said it above....
you hit the REPLY button. it is by the name of the poster and next to the actions button.
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comment are better
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow i finallt relized
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
too bad it doesn't work in the title...
at least it doesn’t for me.
by Vin on Aug 12, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can always just write it in the body and then copy and paste it over.
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spell Check?
I take it you’re all FF users.
by kericr on Aug 12, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fail
FF doesn’t support streaming downloads of video and audio. You have to cache files to watch/listen to them. This is why I use IE primarily. I don’t want to wait for my free porn samples to cache before I start masturbating wait for a song to cache before I start listening to it.
by kericr on Aug 12, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More technical
Firefox does not support windows media player plugins that allow you to stream mpg/mp3 file formats; if you are watching a video, the entire file has to be downloaded to cache, video or song, before you watch or listen to it. I find this to be a much more considerable nuicance than I would expect.
Firefox has firebug though, which makes it far superior for my development work.
by kericr on Aug 12, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about flip4mac on the mac?
if i have it installed, can i stream on a mac?
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 12, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Flip4Mac gives you .wmv support, so maybe if the file you’re playing is WMV. On .mpg files, it would default to how quicktime handles the file.
by kericr on Aug 12, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear we've had about 10 masturbation references in the past week.
In the previous 20 or so months I’ve been here we may have had half that.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 12, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a joke you want to go away?
I have friends. I can arrange it.
With violence.
by kericr on Aug 12, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Circle jerk?
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
it pisses me off a little that I can’t watch replays or use my mlb.tv with FF…
But thats really my only complaint with it…. I archive every porn I watch.
by Vin on Aug 12, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use mlb.tv with FF.....
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too Lazy
But for you R.J. I will.
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop being lazy
it takes about a second more to hit the reply button, if that.
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B.J. would hit the reply button
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al Reyes would get in a bar fight with you
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
U happy now i'll reply
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YOU JUST SAID YOU WOULD REPLY
AND IN THE PROCESS OF SAYING THAT DID NOT REPLY!
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
be that way lol i was joking here you go
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU DID IT!
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by SRQman on Aug 12, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
Where’d you strand that from
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
R.J. whats that web site 1 more time
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is I agree with you about BJ
But I find it so funny that you can be so slanted against Jackson for no reason at all, and then when it comes to BJ there is a post made every other day defending everything about him.
by blazinrayz on Aug 12, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there's a reason for Edwin. and it's not personal.
would you rather see lots of posts about how a Rays player is overrated or lots of posts about hos a Rays player is underrated and for shitty, untrue personal reasons?
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 12, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's a reason for Edwin.
RJ is Jewish.
by kericr on Aug 12, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No reason at all?
It’s not like he has an awful K/BB rate and is giving up more flyballs than the past. Nope, not at all. Also I haven’t even called for Edwin’s job all season. The performance measures don’t meet the hype or accolades.
If someone says Edwin is dumb, lazy, mentally stupid, ect. then they are stupid and incorrect. If someone says Edwin’s K/BB rate is bad and he’s been lucky this season, well, that’s true.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 12, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, Edwin Fixes his problems, are you jewish?
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm an African Jewish American with ginger hair and attributes.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 12, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For real now...
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is on and off but still the bullpen isn't good for him
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
B.J. has the best OBS with 381
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya i was thinking on base and slugging which he definetely doesn't lead.
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And speaking of the Rays, since when is it necessary - and it was - that a manager has to discipline a key player – during a pennant race – for not hustling? But that’s what Joe Maddon had to resort to recently with centerfielder B.J. Upton. Or was that the ghost of Delmon Young?
by RATW on Aug 12, 2008 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ignorant sports talk radio (redundant? almost...) update
So I got into the car yesterday and heard JP Peterson in the middle of yet another “BJ is lazy” routine, saying he needs “a kick in the pants, or two kicks in the pants”. A listener chimes in that perhaps he “wants to be the star” and doesn’t like anybody else getting attention, and JP and his co-host go right along with it.
Then today, I get in the car and Duemig (sp?) is playing the same theme, saying that BJ ignores signs while running the bases and while playing fly balls (?), and that he lets coaching “go in one ear and out the other”.
No source, no good examples, just talk. These guys must have microphones in their chairs, because all they do is talk out their asses...by zeng8r on Aug 12, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tim, Cole, and Felix
Tim made the all star game, Hamels made it last year I think and Felix would have if he had run support. These 3 are studs and they know in a couple of years all the teams will be knocking on their door with suitcases full of money. You think that Upton will command that sort of attention? come on your dreaming and he is dreaming. His career year was last year. Thats one of his problems in that he thinks he has arrived and that he will command 15 mil plus. No way. First he needs numbers like Hamilton’s or even David Murphy of Texas. Upton couldn’t crack their lineup nor half the team’s outfields.
by setfree on Aug 12, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you suggesting he should play in a park that inflates everyone's numbers or that
he couldn’t be an impact player on said team? You should just say what you really think that he is lazy. At least then I could think hey maybe this guy is joking, instead of manifesting your ignorance all over the place.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 12, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B.J. getting benched
Joe wanted to show that everyone need to give 100percent
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by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 12, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, are you complaining that BJ isn't one of the ten most productive players in the majors this year (Hamilton)?
that doesn’t quite seem fair. and given that david murphy is a mediocre-fielding corner outfielder in a pitcher’s park while Upton plays a good center field, Upton is definitely the better player.
we’ve been through this before—you might not love BJ’s attitude (although that’s mostly overblown) but his current level of production is excellent. all-star level. seriously.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always like Upton, but hes not a hamilton and isn't getting there anytime
He does have more assists to be fair
They do it all with gills!
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