Recap: ARRRRRRGH
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I assume the picture
Is in reference to Texas’ missed field goal?
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 13, 2008 1:24 AM EDT reply actions
If Bartlett is back in at SS ...
Can we move Aki to third while Longo is out and put Zobrist at 2nd. Hinske in Right and Gabe Gross in Left? Seems to make the most sense to me.
Sat hello to 3rd place
those moves are awful
Whu upset 4 positions?
Why are people so anxious to get Hinske in the line up?
This isn't one of your better posts, is it?
With the Sux giving up 17 runs (and winning) and Mo looking human, do you really think we will go on a nosedive into 3rd place? Really?
Last night was a trainwreck that I’m glad was not televised! We shall bounce back tonight.
by rays_world_champs on Aug 13, 2008 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
he's one of the better bats on the team
I’d prefer him at DH, though.
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WoW, Hinske one of "the better bats"?
That spells trouble with a capital T
what's wrong with a 119 OPS+?
.339 OBP, .483 SLG
Longoria’s been better and Pena’s hit about the same.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd probably prefer Zobrist at third and Aki at second, defensively.
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i don't get it
I went to sleep after Kazmir allowed the homerun. What happened?
Meanwhile
Bartlett still can’t field and it’s been that way for almost a week now; we could have DL’d him and called up Briginac but now Briginac is down with an injury. Oh and those Jason Bay and Xavier Nady guys that the Rays were thinking about getting before the trade deadline but instead went to the two other teams in the AL East because the Rays decided ‘the cost was too high,’ yet two teams with already depleted farm systems managed to snag them up? They’re only mashing the bejeezus out of the baseball for their respective new clubs.
If the Rays miss the playoffs, I have no problem whatsoever laying the blame at the feet of Maddon and Friedman for what I see as extremely questionable personnel moves late in the season. Injuries are a bitch, but this team was already lacking perceptable offensive depth and they did nothing to address it.
Maddon and Friedman have done an amazing job for the Rays. In case you didnt notice, they are in 1st place. In August. I dont think anyone but the team really thought that was possible this year. Quit your bitching and enjoy the Devil Rays finally playing some great baseball.
At the beginning of the season I told all my friends the Rays would be good this year and finish over .500 for the first time. No one believed me. Now morons like you think we should get pissed at Maddon and Friedman if we dont win the World Series. What a crazy world.
The Rays were supposed to loose 1.35games because of the injuries so get um over with early
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Good job criticizing my opinion while providing no information whatsoever to back your point of view up.
I don’t give a shit about what you told all your friends about your perception of the Rays. I don’t care that they’re in first place in August. I care if they’re in first place on October 1st, when it matters most. I’m free to voice my opinions as I please, and most importantly, I am not a moron. At least I know what the name of the team is, dipshit.
The thing that you are forgetting
We don’t know what the cost would have been for us to get those players. Niemann and Brignac weren’t a better package than what the Pirates got. Plain and simple. We had a deal that they supposedly okayed, and then they reneged.
The Pirates did make out like bandits for Bay, but I was thinking more about Nady. The Yanks gave up one good prospect in Tabatha, but the other three guys are pretty generic. Unless the Pirates were hellbent about getting a potential star outfielder in return, the Rays could have easily beat that offer without selling out their farm system.
But you’re right, we don’t know what trade offers were on the table or how far trade talks progressed for either one. I still think they should have (and could have) done something. It still isn’t too late, but seeing that the Rays pretty much have last dibbs on anybody going through waivers, there’s probably no help coming. My criticism mostly stems from Friedman saying that the Rays can win the division without any extra help, which is something I agreed with as long as nothing bad happened.
I'll still maintain that Nady is nowhere near the player Bay is
although their 2008s up to this point have been equally productive.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Unlike Bay, Nady has demonstrated this year being able to hit both lefties and righties
But yeah pretty much agree with you on that, Nady appears to be having a career year.
Isn't he also a FA at the end of the year
How suspect has Marte looked since he’s been traded. Karstens has been very good too.
Both players are signed through next season at just about the same price -- $8MM
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm not disagreeing with you
but let’s remember that at the trade deadline CC was healthy, Longoria was healthy, and Bartlett was healthy. the two big holes were a bullpen ace and a lefty-bashing right fielder. number one was addressed (but not filled) with Bradford, and the cost of number two was deemed too high. filling right field with a combination of ruggiano/gross/baldelli was a decent gamble.
also, let’s not judge Bay and Nady based on their first two weeks in the AL.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Still doesn't explain Bartlett
I mean, the TV got a great shot of the injury, his fingernail was split and bleeding; if you haven’t had an injury like that before, it takes a couple of weeks to fully heal; he wasn’t going to be able to throw a baseball for at least a week and it’s looking more and more like he’ll be out a couple of more days at least. Is his bat really so good that we could afford to put him at DH instead of DL’ing him? If Brignac is so unreliable that the team can’t count on him for two weeks to fill in (which they’ve shown twice now that they don’t), then why is he so treasured? I don’t understand it, he should have been up here as soon as they saw that finger.
HE"S A 21 YEAR OLD SS!!!!!!!
When will people just let him develop in the minors and not expect him to contribute NOW? Look at what the angels did with Wood or the Dodgers with LaRoche. That up and down BS hurts a players development!
by rglass44 on Aug 13, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you're right on Bartlett, that was before the trade deadline
but the Rays weren’t going to trade for a few week SS replacement.
Brignac could be treasured for future performance. He’s still only 22, the same age as Wade Davis
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
The Rays had enough depth at SS
Between Bartlett, Brignac and Zob, they had SS covered, I wasn’t saying they needed to trade. But the Rays tried to be clever and felt that Bartlett was so important to the lineup that they would bring up Zob to field while sending down Gomes instead of DL’ing Bartlett. I thought they should have either brought up Zob or Brignac to replace Bartlett on the DL and taken care of sending down Gomes by bringing someone else up instead or activating Baldelli.
I mean, realistically Baldelli is a direct replacement for Gomes, he’ll (or would have) play(or played) just as often, and Gross could have played OF for CC while he had his hamstring. Or they could have brought up Ruggs, or hell, not that I think this would have been a good idea, but Floyd could have handled a couple of games in the outfield. There was no need for them to do that silly roster dance they did.
Now it’s possible that they could’ve (and likely would’ve) called up Zob to replace Bartlett anyway, then called up Ruggs to replace Gomes, and ultimately the Rays would still be in the same exact situation they are now. But at least I would have no grounds to complain.
The Rays have gotten too fancy with the front office moves and Maddon has gotten too fancy with his strategic moves
We just need to play ball. Put the best players on the field and put them in the best position possible in order to have team success. Maddon is managing horribly right now. Some of the coaches in the little league world series could coach circles around Maddon right now. His use of our bench is pathetic to put it mildly. And that leaves me to Friedman. He constructed the vast majority of the roster perfectly, but he really butchered the last few guys. The players themselves are fine, but when you are shorthanded their redundancy and lack of versatility really kills the team. And this leads me to not DLing Bartlett. So now we are stuck playing tons of players out of position, and now we ahve tons of players hitting out of position. We have Bartlett DHing even though he has a whopping zero home runs on the season. I have no problem with Bartlett DHing in pinch hitting in certain scenarios. But he is nearly a full time DH right now, and that is beyond pathetic. Last night there was no way on this planet Bartlett should have been hitting vs Ziegler. But of course Maddon decided to waste our bench with the Hinske for Ruggiano for Gross swich. Down 1 freaking run. So of course mr 0 home runs comes to bat in the 9th down 1 run facing a righty when we are loaded with left handed bench bats. Too bad Maddon used them all in a move to replace players better than Bartlett.
Maddon has cost this team 4 or 5 wins this year with his strategic moves (benching, line ups, rest etc). Now he probably gained quite a few wins based on how he manages the clubhouse, but unfortunately for him that is real hard to quantify.
Right now the goal is to win the world series and we need to focus on how to achieve that.
No manager affects his team by 4-5 decisions.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
In your opinion
Close your eyes and think about this season. If you cannot think of a solid handful of games Maddon has had a major hand in helping us win (or lose) then I dunno what to tell you. Three very clear ones were KC at home, last night, and Houston at home…Then there are quite a few games where Maddon made late inning decisions that had a pretty significant impact on the game. Maybe not the absolute deciding factor, but something questionable enough that if he made the other move it could have swung the swing the other way.
the point is that each poor decisions is not worth a game or ever half a game
having Bartlett hit instead of Hinske/Ruggs/whoever is a difference of maybe .100 points of OPS. that’s two wins over a full season. in one game, that’s 1/162 of that, or about .013 wins
Bartlett’s not a sure out and Hinske/Ruggs/whoever isn’t a sure homerun.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Maddon has cost this team 4 or 5 wins this year with his strategic moves (benching, line ups, rest etc). Now he probably gained quite a few wins based on how he manages the clubhouse, but unfortunately for him that is real hard to quantify.
How is that any harder to quantify than the “4 or 5 wins” you just docked him for? That’s stupid. Try using some statistical analysis to prove your argument. Don’t just throw out that Maddon’s management has lost us wins just because you think it looks that way.
I could put a turd on a stick and tell you its a fudgesicle. And by your mega-intelligent way of deduction that turd would be polished off without any questions.
RJ’s right. No manager can have that big of an impact on his team’s W-L record. But if you’re going to dock Maddon for line-up management, its only fair to go back and give him a win for every time he’s pulled a starter early and the bullpen has held the lead.
Their inability to advance runners cost them the game
especially Ruggs not bunting with runners on 1B and 2B with no outs
And the 4th inning is too painful to speak of
Squeeze play? Questionable bunting/nonbunting? DHing Bartlett and leaving him in the whole game? Using our entire lefty bench on essentially one move going into the 9th inning?
All moves made by Maddon that had a serious impact on the game. All questionable moves. If you do not think any of them, especially them all combined, did not have an impact on the game then I don’t know what else to tell you.
what's with a squeeze play
with no outs and the top of the order up?
dumb dumb dumb
Unless, of course
that squeeze play works, the manager is hailed as a genius.
Bartlett has the best splits against a lefty out of anyone on the team.
When would you have used a LH pinch hitter?
Against Ziegler who is a righty
And our entire bench is full of lefties… (too bad he wasted the good ones)
All hindsight
Would you be complaining about this if Hinske had tied that game in the 8th? Of course not.
The squeeze and Hinske hitting for Ruggs is bad process. Even blind squirrels find nuts here and there. I’d much rather the correct process. And frankly there were two of them out there. Save Hinske for Bartlett or save Gross for Bartlett. Using both was the worst scenario.
Basically you are saying that managers can never be criticized because we can’t pinpoint accurately determine the impact of their moves. That is quite a bit absurd.
And well RJ is wrong.
Basically you are saying that managers can never be criticized because we can’t pinpoint accurately determine the impact of their moves.
Some moves can be pinpointed, sure. Not pinch hitting late in the game and leaving a pitcher in too long are a couple of examples.
Now name me a few good managerial moves… I just want to see if you know what you’re talking about…
I mentioned the Astro game earlier
Where we had three straight lefties PH. Compare that to yesterday where we would have had one of the same guys that was PH for stay in the game.
criticize away
i’m just going to criticize back when i disagree with something. like the magnitude of the bad decisions.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I'm saying 4-5 games is overestimating the value of a manager
I think 1-2 wins is even a bit too much. The manager, either great or awful, does not have that huge of an effect.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
We can agree to disagree
This year Maddon has had a serious impact on numerous games. Probably moreso than most AL managers given the amount of moves that would have to be made during one of our games.
We have a so so offense so we have to bunt more than most. We rely on speed so we have to steal more than most. We have platoons and a specialized bench that must be managed moreso than most. All moves Maddon has to make on a daily basis that has an impact on games. Especially close ones.
So how do you fix a bad offense? By bunting, of course!
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Well...
Bad offense + good pitching = close games…closer games raises the importance of 1 run which means you should bunt more
In some cases you might.
But bunting with Ruggiano is not smart.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Correct
And that has an impact on the game.
To be fair
Had that worked, the bunt would have been “gutsy” instead of “not smart.”
Its all hindsight.
Again, had it worked
GENUIS!
Squeeze plays aren’t exactly new, you know. If you’re going to criticize a manager for using the squeeze play, you need to criticize every single one for every single time they used it. Regardless of the outcome of the play.
No its not
It is like going all in with 2-7 off suit and somehow cracking aces. That doesn’t make you a good poker player and in the long run if you continue to play that way you are going to lose your shirt (and your car, and your home, and your kidney, and your first and last born)
In the long run?
You act like we use the squeeze play once a week.
I understand that using it is a gamble. Thats what I was actually trying to point out…
And had you won with your 2-7 off suit, nobody would be laughing at you the next day about how bad of a play that was.
You wouldn't have sustainable results though.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you're doing it!
When was the last time we used a squeeze play???
C’mon. You can’t harp on a guy this much for using a risky play a few times a year.
just like there are some hole cards you play some times and fold some times...
the squeeze play should be used sometimes and not used sometimes. with “not used sometimes” the overwhelmingly common option.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And I think one scenario where it should not be used
Is 1st and 3rd with noone out and your top of the order up facing a team with a AAAA offense in the 5th inning.
Honestly that is about one of the worst possible times to do it.
true statement
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
so, a different DH in place of Bartlett? I agree
not a big deal, though.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't mind Bartlett as a DH some of the time
But him hitting against Ziegler when we could have had Hinske (if he didn’t hit for Ruggs) or Gross hit for him down 1 run is just retarded. Did that one move cost the game? Of course not. But if he had odne it differently the outcome could have been different. His was the wrong move. And when you make a handful of incorrect moves in a game then well you had a pretty big impact on the game as a manager.
One more thing that I hate
I understand we’ve exceeded preseason expectations. That is great and we all should be thrilled.
But right now that is all moot. Our expectations need to be the same as the Red Sox, White Sox, Angels, Phillies, Mets, Cubs, Dbacks, Dodgers etc. We are playing to win it all. Anything else is a failure at this point. There are degrees of failure depending on how far we go. You just cannot have the 3rd best record in baseball at this point of the season and just act like you are happy to be here.
i think you can feel both ways
really really happy to be where we are, and really really interested in going further
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely.
At this point, while it has been our greatest season ever, we need to expect more from this team. They clearly have the ability to win, so let’s go for it.
by jacksontsmith on Aug 13, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
If oIf only we had the offense of last year
and pitching and defense of this one
the Cubs are extremely overrated look at there interleague record
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
There are 28 teams saying the same thing.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
here's a surprise
The Rays scored 4.8 RPG last year and are scoring 4.6 RPG this year. Run scoring is down about .2 runs per game acros MLB. So the Rays’ offense relative to the rest of the league is almost exactly the same as last year.
I assume you’re talking about Pena, Upton and Crawford being offensive disappointments. Which I understand. But then there’s Hinske, Longoria, and Navarro picking up the slack.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
i apologize and will accept your decision to box me
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Hinske and Navi post ASB
are slumpimg badly
fortunately post ASB is much shorter than pre-ASB
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i can't reply
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
You can't always go by the numbers
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
what does this mean?
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
And posting stats
from April have so much relavence right now
april stats...
...are relevant to how the team has hit this year.
...are relevant to getting the Rays’ record to where it’s currently at.
...are relevant to projecting performance the rest of the, barely less important than July stats
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
We cud try the way the Brewers did it?
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Could*
And nobody knows what the hell you’re talking about.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
I’m crying from reading that. Hilarious…
by jacksontsmith on Aug 13, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
no no, i think he's saying the Brewers are eating cud
new supplement?
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line is we have 25 games left v ALE
that will determine our fate
No, I think 43 games overall will determine our faith.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line
We will have to play worse than the Nats have so far this year in order to not make the playoffs..
How does he?
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
ESPN doesn't seem to know much about our team.
They were still pronouncing players names wrong last night.
by jacksontsmith on Aug 13, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
they use coolstandings.com info
if they were surveying their baseball “experts”, i’d be really worried. although, that would be quite amusing, too.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember this
7 game lead with 17 to play
where did they finish?
Remember this: all the other times teams had leads and held on like they should've
Where did they finish?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey i'm hoping for the best
let’s keep winning series
by sternfan1 on Aug 13, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
recommended
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
We should all
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
We've got to finish August strong.
Because September is going to be pretty tough.
by jacksontsmith on Aug 13, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Will Friedman make a waiver deal?
what’s your take?
I like Barry In the lineup but I dont see it
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You know RJ i almost said
‘besides Bradford’ cause i lnew you’d post that
getting anyone decent through would be tough given our record
if Bartlett’s injury turns out to be significantly worse, I’d be interested in Jack Wilson. Randy Winn is an upgrade, but not that much of one. the pitching side is fine
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You ask this question seriously at least once a week.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
but righty
which would be nice
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
still a lefty?
my bad.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Joel Guzman?
I wish I could say I know how he’s done this season, but I know he’s got a little pop in his bat. Would he be a good quick fix? I know he could play 3rd if someone like, oh I don’t know, Aybar needed to sit.
Then its settled.
David Price must be called up after his start tonight and hoist the team on his back, Atlas style. Then carry us to the playoffs.
by jacksontsmith on Aug 13, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly i must agree
Guz has 21 HT and still an OPS in the mid 700s
Hinske, Gross, Floyd and LH Aybar
doesn’t excite me much tonite
Wrong, but i'll ask you this
who of those mentioned start for the Red Sox?
HAI GUYZ, WHO ON OUR INFIELD WOULD START ON THE RED SOX
THIS IS SUPER IMPORTANT
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Now or before the injuriws?
IIf b4 Bartlett>Lugo
Longo=Lowell
Youklis>Pena
Pedroia>Aki
If they're about equal this year
Then so are Pena and Youkilis.. And Aki and Pedroia for that matter. You cant just dismiss 100 points of OPS like its nothing
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 13, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
HAI GUYZ, HOW MANY OF THE SOX PITCHERS WOULD BE ON OUR TEAM!?!
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
2
Lester and Papelbon
Beckett and Dice-K would be decent (both are highly overrated anyways), but we couldn’t afford them anyways.
HAI GUYZ, HOW MANY OF THE JAYS PITCHERS WOULD BE ON OUR TEAM!?!
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot
We couldn’t afford Halladay, but Marcum and Mcgowan and a few guys in the pen
I’m not a fan of Burnett
If you'd take any of our SP ahead
of Beckett and Lester, you have been drinking from RJs kool-aid
When did Lester become that good?
He would be our 4th starter
ahead of Lester?
i’d take Kaz and Shields. Lester has no where near the track record and while his 2008 ERA is nice, it’s masking less impressive skills—he’s got a 4.13 xFIP
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Beckett might be better than anyone in the Rays rotation right now
I’d take anyone but Jackson over Matsuzaka
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
with both Kaz and Shields?
I consider them a push, with Kaz obviously having much higher potential
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no.
I meant Jackson/Matsuzaka. Jackson’s sunk costs are infinitely less.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yes yes, considering contracts, DiceK and Beckett aren't Rays material
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
meaning i agree
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Beckett is > anyone on our staff with or without that contract.
Dice K would be our fifth starter.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
xFIPs in 2007 and 2008
Beckett 3.50, 3.30
Shields 3.90, 3.80
Kazmir 3.90, 4.00
I changed my mind—I definitely want Beckett over Shields or Kaz (ignoring contracts)
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
good point. he's better than Geise
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
5+ walks per nine and a BABIP yet to regress to the mean from a flyball pitcher.
No thanks.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Paul is 4-0 his last 4 tho
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Burnett does have great stats but he never gets wins and were 4-0 against Halliday
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Paul Byrd will help the Sox
he will give them QS which they sorely need
Paul byrd doesn't have the stuff to be as good as there top 3 but better than Clay
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's just wait and see
Byrd has NEVER had good stuff
But he wins
He's at best a marginal upgrade for them.
Doesn’t strike anyone out, doesn’t walk anyone, gives up 1.8 HR/9 and is a flyball pitcher.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Buccholz is pretty bad in my opinion
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
he'll give innings, but a 5.00 ERA will often give up more than 3 runs, especially in that park.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Every playoff contending team has 3 really good pitchers
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
zambrono,dempster,harden lackey,saunders, santana pettite, joba, mussina
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Like the Red Sox, with Beckett, Lester and ???
Or the Yankees with Mussina, uhhh the Corpse of Andy Pettite, and Joba’s diisembowled arm.
How about the White sox, Floyd, Danks, and….Ew.
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
4.50 ERAs are now really good?
4.30 xFIP, though
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
DiceK xFIPs
2007: 4.40
2008: 5.00
He’s an upgrade over Jackson, only. And with $$, no thanks.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Understand this
I HATE the FUCKING RED SOX
But Dice K and Beckett wouldn start for the Rays
I like Lester
They do it all with gills!
by LONGO4PREZ08 on Aug 13, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not awful
and you know from boxing me i’m probably not a fan of his
He is awful.
He walks 5+ per game and his BABIP is lucky. He’s the Asian Edwin.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 13, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you box yourself RJ?
getting a little edgy there
For what?
ask RJ, he knows what the joke was
i was joking with you
what is this blog, brain surgery?
in case you missed me posting DiceK's expected ERAs:
2007: 4.40
2008: 5.00
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, including that 100 mil posting fee, that might be as abad as Zito.
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
don't disrespect Mr. Zito
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 13, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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