Why does the Trop get such a bad wrap?
It sure seems like I hear nothing but bad things about the Trop. "The building is old." "The field is bad." "It doesn't feel like baseball." "It's gloomy." Blah, blah, blah, blah. Personally, I love the Trop & I would not be in favor of the new stadium. I've been to several games at the Trop & I live in the panhandle of Florida( 6 hours away ). I atleast go to 5 or 6 games a year, sometimes more. Several things to like about the Trop. First, obviously there are no rain outs. Second, has anyone forgot how freakin' hot it gets in Florida in the months of May, June, July, August, September, & even into October? There's nothing better than going to a baseball game where you don't have to worry about getting a bad sunburn, sweating in the sweltering heat, or bad weather. Try imagining sitting through a Rays game during those hot months in an outdoor stadium. Moreover, I think the indoor stadium is an advantage for the team. They have played very well there this year & it can get pretty loud & rattling for the opposing team in there. The bottom line is this. The Trop is unbelievably comfortable! The air conditioning is absolutely wonderful! The Rays have trouble enough drawing fans in the Trop, which blows my mind really, especially when the team is winning. If they have trouble filling the Trop, who would want to show up in 90 plus degree whether for a game outdoors? It hasn't worked for the Florida Marlins. The Marlins need an indoor stadium badly. I know I wouldn't come to near as many games if the Rays had an outdoor stadium. It would be miserable. The only thing the Rays brass might want to consider is replacing the playing field, but other than that, I say KEEP THE TROP!!!!! The Trop is a blessing in disguise.
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People that complain about the Trop
Spend a lot of time at other stadiums. I’ve been to about 20 MLB ballparks and, removing the circumstances, the Trop sucks.
However, given the weather here, it is perfect. No rainouts, no heat stroke, decent sight lines, no restroom problems, and plenty of food.
Wrigley is gorgeous, but the sight lines suck, the restrooms are the pits, and food is tough to find without standing in line 30 minutes. The same with Fenway Park.
I thoroughly enjoyed my game at Rogers Centre which is another one people whine about.
Citizens Bank Ballpark is pretty but a July game there is miserable. I don’t remember ever being that hot at a game in my life.
I grew up in Houston going to the Astrodome so the Trop has never bothered me as it is an improvement over the cavernous drab Astrodome.
I want to see a new field next year...
the current field looks like worn out carpet. seriously…watch the games on saturday, sunday and wednesdays. look at their fields. then watch a rays game. it seriously is the one thing that makes the trop look ugly as hell. i think laying a new field down would do wonders for how everyone percieves the trop.
Yeah it looks like the rug I had
when I was a poor college student.
Maybe you don't remember the old field.
But the current field looks 1000 times better than the old carpets they used to use.
The new one is state of the art as far as artificial turf goes. It’s not carpet at all, it’s Field Turf. It’s also not old or worn out, it’s relatively new. What you are probably seeing that makes you think it is worn out is it’s greatest feature, it breaks up like a normal field would to provide less stress on a player’s legs and knees.
I agree. The Trop rocks!!!
The perception that the Trop is a dump has always bewildered me. I think it is the result of a couple of factors. First, the poor attendance. Empty stadiums aren’t fun. Second, the losing. Last place teams breed negativity. Neither of these make for a good atmosphere and really hurt the gameday experience. With a winning team and a good crowd, the problem is solved.
Your assessment that the Trop is “unbelievably comfortable” is true. That is the park’s best attribute. It may not have the charm of a Wrigley or make a list of best stadiums, but it serves its purpose well. I’m glad that the new stadium issue was put to rest as I think the Trop can serve the team for at least another 5 before any talk of a new stadium is necessary.
I agree
Many of the commentators attempting to evaluate stadiums skew the evaluation against the Trop. Usually, they set up a series of categories, like ticket price, concessions, rest rooms, etc. Usually, the Trop does pretty well in those categories. Then, they add categories that have nothing to do with the physical plant, such as “tradition” and “fan knowledge” and they usually rate the Trop quite low because the team is relatively new and only starting to catch on with its fan base. Further, they are wildly inconsistent with some of their ratings. They consider it wonderfully old school for Houston to have a hill and flagpole in center field that are in play. They consider it a disgrace that the Trop has catwalks that are in play. In fact, I view it kind of the opposite. When a long fly is hit to center in Houston, I worry that the CF will get hurt. When a catwalk is hit at the Trop, it is actually quite fascinating (like a ball getting lost in the ivy at Wrigley). In short, the Trop doesn’t get a fair shake.
by flippersfolks on Aug 16, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Ditto
The trop is one of the few parks where you can buy beer all night long if you know where to go. Plus the ticket prices are esily some of the best in MLB, the food is decent, and the sight lines are wonderful.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 16, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The new park could have all of these as well
They really don’t have much to do with the “Trop” as we are debating it
This is the very point of the debate
I will assume that you don’t live in St. Pete. For those that do not, it is not a simple matter of what is ‘better’. Not in this economy (and not in any environment in which government resources are finite).
The question is whether the NEED for a new stadium outweighs the cost. The last proposal the Rays brought to the table asked for a 250 million dollar taxpayer contribution (175 million from future taxes, and 75 million from the sale of public lands). In recognition of that cost, it is well worth asking whether our current facility is adequate.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 17, 2008 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I do live in St. Pete
The Trop right now is tax exempt. The city would generate millions in new taxes yearly on the redeveloped trop land. This plus a 1% bed tax on hotel rooms would have covered the total cost and have excess to give back to the city. If you are a current resident your taxes wouldn’t have increased a penny.
I believe they do NEED a new stadium. I always ask new stadium opponents How much longer is the Trop viable? They obviously are going to need a new stadium eventually. The proposed stadium wouldn’t have been ready until 2012. So when do you think they should build new stadium. 2015? 2020? longer than that?
one more clarification
The new stadium wouldn’t be tax exempt either so the taxes generated there would also help pay the price.
I understand you think we need a new stadium
But the burden is on you to show that need…Not on stadium opponents to show we don’t need one. The initial proposal failed miserably because the team failed to prove its case. It’s not obvious that we need a new stadium anytime in the near future by any stretch.
An extension of a tax is a new tax. Period. Saying otherwise is akin to saying you don’t have a new car payment because you traded in your old car, and clearly ignores the cost-saving alternative that could have been chosen.
And EVERY tax comes at a cost. Even a seemingly harmless bed tax will lower the total amount of tourist dollars people are able to spend here, much like a ‘small’ interest rate hike ensures that hundreds of thousands of people are not able to buy homes. For families that have to budget their vacation, that tax represents one less inflatable raft, ‘Florida’ t-shirt, ice cream cone, margarita, etc, and thus the burden of the tax is shifted to local businesses. For those of us like myself who enjoy spending a few weekends a year on the beach, that tax will be felt even more personally.
For my part, I’ve always sat pretty much on the fence. If it came down to a vote, I would have likely voted for a new stadium. Not because I believe the city needs one (I think those arguments are mostly laughable) but because I’m a Rays fan/season ticket holder, and a new stadium would likely benefit me in both tangible and intangible ways. But expecting people who don’t have a personal interest at stake to jump on board in our current economic climate is naive.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 17, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Anf finally
If you can’t be with the one you love…Love the one you’re with.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 17, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought this debate was over for now
But since you bring it up again.
Why do you ignore all the facts of the previously proposed stadium. It wouldn’t have rainouts except for the most severe storms. It is not that hot out between 7-10pm especially if it were under the shade. Go outside between May and August at 8pm and it is absolutely perfect out. The breeze from the water would help combat humid stagnant air. The atmosphere would have been 1000% times better. The area around the stadium would have been great to hang out pre and post game.
Indoor baseball = Crap…period.
The Trop is a great place to watch baseball
I attend many many games at the Trop and in my mind it is a “great place” to watch a baseball game. It is bright ,colorful and cool with very good site lines. MOst people who knock the trop have never been there to see a game live or have only been there in the days when there were 8,000 people in the seats and it sounded like a warehouse. Any empty stadium has echoes with lots of empty seats.
I have a friend from Boston who was down for the last Boston series and had heard all of the horror stories about the trop and once inside she said, “This is amazing, I wish we had something like this in Boston”. “This is a great place to watch baseball”
Air conditioning and no rain outs ,what more could you want. And by the way I have been to many major league parks and would not take any of them over the trop. The list includes Camden Yards, Yankee Stadium, Ball Park at Arlington, Skydome in Torronto which I believe has had a name change to name a few.
I like it okay though sometimes you have to walk a long
way from where you parked.
I would love it if they got a Five Guys, I had the Checkers burger last time I went and it sucked.
Checkers = Worst food in the stadium.
Some of the better options include Outback, Tortilla Junction (more food than you can eat at a decent price), and the delicatessen adjacent to Tortilla Junction.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 16, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I went to my first game in the trop 7 years ago.
It has improved drastically since then
I personally don't mind the Trop
But I do question how long it will be a viable facility for a Major League team. Sometime in the next 5-8 years, they will most likely need a new park to be able to compete from a financial perspective. The current ownership has done a great job making it a nice place to watch a game, which is a major accomplishment considering it was basically obsolete when it was built.
It's pretty awful.
The people that seem to like the trop all have one thing in common. They have never really been to one of the new ball parks. When you compare the Trop to what they have here in Seattle, and in San Francisco, it’s night and day. It feels like it’s a minor league stadium. Compared to the older stadiums the trop is fine, but it just cannot compete with anything built with computer designs.
Nothing like being able to wait in line for food, and actually see the game because there is no huge wall blocking the concourse from the field.
Plus domes are shit, I don’t care what the weather is. Here in Seattle they managed to build a stadium with a retractable roof that doesn’t block your view of the city when it is closed.
by putupyourDUKES on Aug 16, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I would love for someone to go to Seattle or San Fran and then say that a stadium like that isn’t light years better than the Trop. There is no comparison. The new stadium wouldn’t have been built until 2012. How much longer than that is the Trop still viable. It is already the most outdated stadium in the league without a new one on the horizon
That's fine
but then it’s just a new vs old debate. The people who complain the loudest seem to be the Sox and Yanks fans who mostly come to see their teams, and fact of the matter is that the Trop is a much better place to watch baseball than Yankees Stadium or Fenway.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
I agree
Yankee stadium and Fenway are both huge piles of shit, and are close to being on par with the trop. There is a reason they are tearing down such historical property though.
Our club level is awful btw. A lot of the seats have obstructed views of the game, and you have to watch via a TV. It’s costing the team alot of revenue.
by putupyourDUKES on Aug 17, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That's just not true
I prefer the Trop to Turner Field. For those that have never had the wonderful experience of sitting in right field for an evening game, its a very beautiful view…DIRECTLY INTO THE SUN!!!! Not until the sun completely sets (usually at least an hour into the game), is watching the game remotely bearable.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 16, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Anything from atlanta is garbage
and shouldn’t be included in the new groups of stadiums.
by putupyourDUKES on Aug 17, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is my brief ballpark list
Trop, Dolphin Stadium, Jacobs Field, Turner Field, Wrigley Field, Old Candlestick, Old Riverfront.
It really all depends on what you are looking for. Myself, I go to 60+ games a year, and whatever the future design of a would be stadium, it must be temperature controlled. I can deal with the heat once in a while (It gets ridiculously hot in The Swamp for example), but I doubt I could put my body through that 6 times a week…and I’m far from an old codger.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 17, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to see the difference in opinion on this subject!
It makes for great debate. I have only been to 4 major league ballparks. I’ve been to the old Atlanta Fulton County Stadium ( which is now a parking lot for Turner Field ). I have been to Turner Field. I have a been to Dodger Stadium & I’ve been to the Trop. To be fair, I never said the Trop had a pretty field. It is an adequate field at best. However, as far as the comfort level, air conditioning, consessions, restrooms, restaurants, souvineer shop, escalators, sight lines, etc., you just can’t beat it. I am only making that comparison with the other 3 major league parks I’ve been to. Obviously, the Trop does not have the history & tradition & actual field beauty that Yankee Stadium has, or Fenway, or Wriggley, or Dodger Stadium. I never said the Trop did. But I will say this! Between the 4 parks I’ve been to, the Trop has been the most enjoyable experience all around. Yeah, it would be cool to experience other ballparks, but I’m glad the Rays have the Trop. I agree that eventually they will have to get a new stadium, maybe 4,5, or even 10 years down the road, but for now, the Trop is wonderful. I liked the other 3 stadiums for different reasons. Dodger Stadium because of the tradition & the field is immaculate. Restrooms & concessions sucked. Turner Field is very beautiful. Concessions were good. Skyline is great. However, very miserable! Go watch a day or sometimes even a night game in Atlanta anytime from May through September! UGH! It’s extremely hot, humid, & sticky. That being said, I usually try to get to Turner atleast 1 or 2 times a year. Fulton County Stadium really had no redeeming values. As much as I loved the Braves, especially in the 90’s & the city of Atlanta itself, Fulton County Stadium sucked!
For my money, the Trop overall is worth the price of admission. The only improvement the Trop needs to make is the actual playing field, but the Trop still rocks!
Why does the Trop get such a bad wrap?
please…
those horn-blowers? it’s like i’m listening to a fucking soccer game.
and that heckler… what a brilliant concept.
Um
Horn-blowers = fans
Heckler = A fan
Staying on point…what a brilliant concept.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 17, 2008 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
The trop just will not allow the Rays to remain competitive in the long run
A new stadium would help out Stu and the front office tremendously. Also if we build a new stadium we will get an all star game so you have to factor in the added revenues for that.
You won’t get rain outs at the new stadium so that cannot be an argument to keep the current one. Sure it may be ‘slightly’ hotter, but a few degrees shouldn’t be a deal breaker. There is also no reason why the food would be worse at the new stadium. In fact it may even be better.
And the Trop sucks. First off baseball isn’t meant to be played indoors. The field turf sucks, just look at what it is doing to Crawford. We have freaking catwalks that come into play. And the sight lines? Are you kidding me? Maybe if you have badass seats they are good, but try sitting in the upper deck. Cat walks block views and you can’t see crap from the party deck. Plus the damn seats aren’t even angled towards home. That is absolute crap. Another bad thing about the Trop is that it is very hard to get around. What I mean is to say get to a certain part of the upper deck you’d have to walk a country mile. There just isn’t enough escalators going up and down. Also the food courts are horribly laid out (food is good, but you miss the game).
I've sat in the upperdeck 100 times.
I love it. you get a view of the whole view and it isn’t that high near the railing of the upperdeck. I don’t see the problem.
by Cory Alexander on Aug 18, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
There is obstructed views (yes it may be slight) and the seats are not angled towards the infield.
Those are small things you just do not notice until you get to experience state of the art stadiums.
Can't see from the party deck?
I think the view is good from there. I prefer the party deck to either of the outfield lines.
by save_the_trop on Aug 18, 2008 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions
You can't see right field
Say someone hits a shot to right and if you are int he aprty deck you can’t tell if it is caught at the track or over the fence.
I've always sat in the front row so I've never had that problem...
but I see what you’re saying.
by save_the_trop on Aug 18, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I am guessing
that in the next go-around the Rays will be clearer as to why a new park is necessary.
I like the Trop too. But the issue is whether it is sustainable as a major league park and for how much longer. Is the expense of maintaining it, for example, going to undermine the experience? If the Rays’ case is clear and legitimate, then there is no point in arguing that the Trop is a good place to watch a game; the only question then becomes at what point does it have to be replaced.
And whether we like the Trop or not, it is a laughing stock around baseball. And minor though that issue may be to us, it does no good to the status of the ballclub to play in a venue universally derided as a dump.
I also think the heat issue is minimally significant. Of course, it may be moot if the new proposal includes some sort of dome, but I loved the sail model. I go to minor league games here regularly all summer-in Clearwater, Tampa, Dunedin and further afield as well, and in the evening have no problem at all with heat or humidity. In fact, it is generally very pleasant. Near the water with the various techniques for moderating the temperature that the sail ballpark would have included, it would have been a nearly perfect environment for a game.
by bobr on Aug 18, 2008 8:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

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