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8/18: LAA (76-46) @ RAYS (75-48)

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Los Angeles Angels at Tampa Bay Rays, Aug 18, 2008 7:10 PM EDT


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA tRA
2008 - Andy Sonnanstine 12-6 24 24 1 1 0 0 147.0 167 77 71 13 25 92 4.35 3.81

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA tRA
2008 - Jon Garland 11-7 24 24 1 0 0 0 152.0 173 79 72 17 46 68 4.26 5.38

Garland look far too much like Gary Glover for my liking. Maybe it's just the  soul patch.

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MVP: The Real Beej

Also: Tom Petty is a Saint

Mound Visit

by Mound Visit on Aug 18, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

About to head to the game.

Hope it is a good crowd, also hope Rocco gets an at-bat.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 18, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Per the heater

No surgery for Percy

back in less than two weeks

too bad all you percy haters

by sternfan1 on Aug 18, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hip hop hooray ho

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always wondered how Garland wins so many games

he seems to give up a lot of hits, a normal amount of walks, and doesn’t strike out a ton, but the guy is nearly always near the league leaders in Wins.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Luck?

Wait until someone signs him for 4/48.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 18, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I put him at . 3.75 years of good "luck"

Year Team PA K% BB% kL% kS% uBB% iBB% HBP%
2005 CHA 901 12.76% 5.22% 2.22% 10.54% 4.88% 0.33% 0.78%
2006 CHA 896 12.50% 4.58% 2.68% 9.82% 4.13% 0.45% 0.67%
2007 CHA 883 11.10% 6.46% 3.62% 7.47% 6.12% 0.34% 0.45%
2008 ANA 655 10.38% 7.02% 3.21% 7.18% 6.72% 0.30% 0.92%

He is 57-37 since the beginning of 2005 with declining K rates, increasing BB rates, and mid 40’s GB rates. When he regresses it should be pretty hard.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd love to see someone post his run support numbers

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually, i'll look 'em up if someone knows where to find that info...

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His gamelogs might be a start

but I don’t think they differentiate runs scored while he was in vs. the team as a whole. Dude must be a helluva teammate.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got it.

08: 4.54
07: 4.14
06: 5.66
05: 4.60
04: 5.10
03: 5.02
02: 4.24
01: 4.33
00: 5.56

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 18, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

relative to league-average, please ; )

and how about bullpen support?

(where’d you find the stats, btw?)

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

B-Ref's gamelogs

At the bottom.

I don’t have league wide #s :(

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 18, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come for the Rays

stay cuz your house is under water

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

please beat up on the lucky Angels

not because i want to gain ground them but just because i sincerely hate them, and their fans.

Their expected record is 67-55 but their record is 76-46

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 18, 2008 5:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Check out ours while you are at it

Pythag puts the Chisox as the 2nd best team in the AL behind Boston. Thats why the play the game.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rays have 6 more wins than pythag

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 18, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pythag underrates bullpen.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why us and the angels are so low.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesn't explain all of it, though

I’m still working on that table I posted yesterday, because simply comparing bullpen WPA to sum(WPA/LI) includes one form of bullpen performance that’s not attributable to skill. We should credit a team for optimizing the way its relievers are used — the good ones in high-leverage situations and the poor ones in low-leverage situations. But we shouldn’t credit a team for having each pitcher pitch better when he’s in high-leverage situations than when he’s in low-leverage situations. Yes, the second one helps “explain” the Pythag gap, but it’s not a skill. There’s also the issue that the Angels have played games that have higher leverage situations than others teams. Is playing those types of games a skill beyond having the relievers to keep them close? Maybe to a certain degree, but not totally.

Anyway, giving the Angels 100% credit for their bullpen, you can explain about 4 games of their nine-run Pythag gap. And you can explain about 75% of the Rays gap.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one reason for the gap

is that when a team falls behind 8 or so runs they go to their long man and he is usaully their worst pitcher, and allows the other team to score more and more runs

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 18, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right

using leverage and WPA allows you to “remove” those runs from the Angels RA ledger. giving up 5 runs when the plate appearances are 10% as important as normal really only counts as .5 runs.

and using leverage and WPA allows you to increase the importance of preventing runs in close ballgames. holding down a one-run lead in the ninth is only one run saved, but WPA counts it as more like three or four, because the LI of that situation is around three or four.

by comparing these leveraged runs allowed/prevented (in the form of WPA) to the actual runs allowed/prevented shows how well the skills of a bullpen were optimized: great pitchers in tight games and crappy pitchers in blowouts.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Angels

84 games into the season, the Angels had scored and allowed the same number of runs, but were still like 15 games over .500.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 18, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gomessweetgomes - thanks for trying brother

but i couldn’t figure out how to score those tickets from the Times. I’m tech retarded.

I am off to the game though. GO RAYS!!!!

by stpetelawyer on Aug 18, 2008 6:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nevar fohget

The Love Glove.

by Sylar on Aug 18, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

scary morning for Indians fans as Matt LaPorta was hit in the head

with a retaliation pitch after he took out the Chinese catcher earlier in the game, in the olympics, if this game was in America we would have had a pretty solid Brawl I believe. LaPorta had to be taken to the hospital and has a mild concussion.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 18, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MVP: BJ Upton

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...Kalas is in the booth?

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sonny was afraid of Tex

and I can’t blame him

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice 1st

3 ground ball outs = owned

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ERA is shit because it says Sonny = Garland

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

um i wanted to ask

anyone have a update of days in 1st? Rays have to be very close or even ahead of the Red Sox in days by now

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BEEEEEEEEEJ!

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Things are going well for BJ

when he can hit the ball up the middle like that.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn

Price gave up a 1st inning run again, step it up man, i wanna see you in the majors

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Side Note

Bleacher seats for the Yankees Rays game up here next month selling for $150 a pop. Never more than $10 before this year.

by davelrogers on Aug 18, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Aki was busy in the first, huh?

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so much more consistent then our other guys

And I was begging for him to be taken out of the rotation earlier this year.

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I pretty much "fell in love" with his pitching when he was in montgomery

so… I guess i’ve been a little more steadfast in his defense than most.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do not want to Jinx

Sonny looks good enough out there to throw a NO NO tonight.

I was at Kazmir record strikeout game and I just see it possible.

Devil Rays World Series 2009

by Japhei on Aug 18, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do not want to Jinx

I think Upton will get 5 hits!

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No fucking shit dude.

I can’t believe how huge he’s been.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in play, no out

also cool to see

in play, runs gets me all giddy

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HINSKE JUST CRUSHED THAT SHIT

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BOMB!

HIGH FIVE!

(?)

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in play, runs

just as i said it

thank you Hinske

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i enjoy watching the ESPN yellow dots circle the bases

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

David Price had a better 2nd

but the long 1st inning has gotten him to 43 pitches already

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rivera's Marcel projection: .273/.329/.455

And his 2008 line is pretty bad in 170 PAs.

And he’s a corner outfielder not known for his glove.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So with payroll increasing next year to ~55 million...

…do you think the FO goes after any free agents? Even with the increase in payroll, their revenue stream from this season should cover that easily, and then some.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would look for us to do more in the trade market than the FA one.

we have a lot of guys that could get moved this off-season. Not all will, but I will be dissapointed if some dont.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 18, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They have tons of depth at pitching, especially SP

And outfield depth is an obvious need right now. I think they may make a run at a really big bat for DH.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given that we have Jaso and Dan Johnson...

I don’t really think DH is that big a need.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Really Big Bat"

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok...

Its not a priority over RF, imo.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh of course not.

The Rays can trade for a RF though. It’s questionable to trade for a DH.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

While it wouldn’t be the best option, Hinske at RF might not be horrible, and he could probably be resigned on the cheap(ish).

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on the same token

I don’t think that Hinske at DH would be horrible either.

I agree though, he shouldn’t be too expensive…

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hinske's a DH

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well yeah...

I meant as a full-time DH.

Which he is clearly not this year… thanks to Floyd’s presence on the roster.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh ok...

I didn’t assume that “make a run at” was geared towards free agency…

Then yeah, going after a guy like Dunn would be great.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have to agree...

At the very least one of either Jackson, Sonny, or Niemann needs to be dealt…

I’d be surprised if we didn’t land someone like Rivera, Ethier, or Kemp.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sonny's underrated right now, no reason to trade him for less than he's worth

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would trade both jackson and niemann for Ethier

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would really want Bradley for DH

since he wont be THAT expensive and hes great but cant even sneeze around that guy without him missing games

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i bet Bradley gets a pretty decent contract

he’s been awesome this year.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there certainly could be cheap free agents available

but i agree that the trade market is a better place to take on salary. time to trade an arm or two for a bat or two.

looking at this list of free agents, I don’t see an outfielder that is both decent and in our price range.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really, this year's FA class for OF isn't that strong at all.

Anybody who hits the FA market isn’t worth much. I do expect to see the Rays resign Rocco and maybe try to resign Hinske.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Burrell? Dunn? Manny?

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they're DHs

but seriously, all will be overpaid (even for FAs), unless GMs are retarded about Dunn’s K’s or Burrell actually has improved with the glove.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they're DHs

I lol at the fact that they’re all in the NL.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're DH's

Even Hinske, him and Burrell are probably equal at fielding.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and they're the "good" fielders of that group

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't post enough...

if it was RJ, you’d know he wasn’t serious.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You gotta think Rocco is going to come back on a below market deal that is

heavy on the incentives.

Hinske will certainly be invited back at a fair deal, but I am not sure if they would be willing to overspend on him.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fwiw he seems to like playing here as well

I don’t see anyone throwing a ton of money at him. He is a true jack of all trades master of none, but on this team Mad Dog knows how to use him perfectly,

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 innings, 1 bad pitch

lets go get that run back

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice...

pop-up and 2 ground outs following the homer.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bah

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CLIFF JUST CRUSHED THAT

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Garland is already over at 50 pitches

Which isn’t that great, I would much rather face him than their pen.

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Besides their big 3 they aren't special

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they get enough runs against Garland, it doesn't matter whether the Rays face the pen or not

Since the Angels probably aren’t scoring that many runs against this pitching staff.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't worry.

The Rays have already put 5 on the board vs. Jonny Fail.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AYBAR BABAYYYY!

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Rays are making me happy.

And apparently Fay doesn’t seem to have hit the Keys so hard after all (according to Drudge), so maybe y’all can get the rest of the series in.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, Jon Garland is inestimably mediocre.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

Aybar for Jeff Ridgeway. Fucking awesome.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA VLAD YESYESYES

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

anyone watch Vlad enough to explain his crappy 08 season?

is he done as a stud?

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't watched him that much.

Has he really been crappy? He’s way off his career norms, but it doesn’t look bad.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i suppose crappy is relative

.285/.348/.492, good for a 120 OPS+, well below his 147 career OPS+

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno if it is specifically impacting him this year, but he does have knee and back problems, probably from the Olympic Stadium concrete.

by RATW on Aug 18, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Triples make baby Jesus gurgle and coo.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, that's probably an error.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LATE

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Technically single and a hilarious error.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vlad's D < Ibanez's D

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Would that this were true.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Navarro is such a rally-killer.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Floyd Backspin!!!

I hope whoever caught that Floyd homer is still alive. That ball was smoked!!

Devil Rays World Series 2009

by Japhei on Aug 18, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the enemy of my enemy is my friend

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, but a slightly preferable enemy to the other, greater enemy.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

way to overanalyze that

i think that purple tentacle is choking the air supply to your brain

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God dammi Aki

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BAHKI!!!

WTF Aki!? You don’t make errors!

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sonny is one guy that can't have errors.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think Edwin would be that guy

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say you're right, but Ed does get more flyballs

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GBs > FB

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not if they are sneaking through

Pop-ups>FB

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BWahh

pop-ups>GB

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He pitches to contact more than the average guy

Correct me if I’m wrong, but he still has a pretty high BABIP.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but is that his doing?

and he’s somewhat stingy with the homeruns, right? so the extra runners won’t score on those as much.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BABIP excludes HR's

sprised you didn’t know that. Seriously though I would think BABIP regression takes place over a longer span of time than say OPB or SLG. Which could signal more of a trend than people realize.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know that -- the HR comment was a different point.

Sonny’s different from Shields in that he allows more runners, but doesn’t give up the longball. You wouldn’t want errors with Shields because they’re more likely to score on a homerun.

(not that you want errors with any pitcher, it’s just that there are different arguments for who suffers more more errors and i don’t think it’s easy to know that question without a good study of it. intuition can’t manage the details.)

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always thought of Shields as a Catfish Hunter type of guy

He will give up some dingers, but for the most part they are with the bases empty. I think it is a part of being aggressive more than anything, and when he has guys on he starts to tone that back.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha good job HINSKE!

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Praising Hinske?

Slowest outfielder this side of???

by davelrogers on Aug 18, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Price with 4 walks tonights

two to a .237 hitter with 0 HRs. He’s still giving up weak contact for the most part, but his first two AAA starts have been less than impressive so far.

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Yes, we really do have fans.

by killa3312 on Aug 18, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

God.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He still is getting dinked to death

the third run he gave up was on an infield single, but you put yourself in that position with the walks. All three runs he’s given up have started with 2 out walks.

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by killa3312 on Aug 18, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gurerro smartly hit the brakes.

Last chance for Sonny to escape this inning w/o giving up a run.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YAYYYYYYY

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AKI DON'T FUCK UP TWICE PUNKS!

Seriously, good job getting out of that jam by Andy

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sonny just teased them

I really love that man. I miss the beard though.

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BOO!

He’s better without the beard.

It makes him look as old as my father.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barty walk

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

God dammit.

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BJ UPTON IS LAZY

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TOO LAZY TO SLIDE

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing the replay...man, I was kidding initially, but I'm not now.

That’s godawful.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

That won’t play out well.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

here we go

no excuses for that

by Big Worm on Aug 18, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

RJ isn't here!

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well then don't box me please.

Because that was fucking inexcusable from Upton. And after all this hoopla too!

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it was.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing more to say

BJ cannot be defended any longer. He proves his critics right more and more

by RayFanNY on Aug 18, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he proves that he doesn't hustle more and more

he doesn’t prove all the extrapolated bullshit about his character, though.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why would he box you for that?

where do you get unfocused, though? and do you mean lazy other than not hustling? do you know of other times in his life he’s lazy?

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean not hustling. And also the nonchalant Manny pose/jog...oof that stung.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're satan

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Satan does.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because you're satan.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have them.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...You have 2?

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Upton is a huge moron

What is so hard about hustling? Jesus.

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by killa3312 on Aug 18, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait..Upton's still playing?

He gets benched for that Bullshit PD but not for that shit?

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DP*

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pinch-Dive?

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

was it a possible homerun that he watched?

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yesh..I thought he was gone off the bat

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

same.

Also, the throw was off-line and nobody was covering 2nd base.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I’m pretty sure he thought it was gone…not really that different from Gross yesterday…

by mittens on Aug 18, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...yeah

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and he didn't get benched. (not judging, just stating.)

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Upton was not tagged

The ump totally missed the call

Texeira missed him.

Devil Rays World Series 2009

by Japhei on Aug 18, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't matter, Teixeira gets (and deserves) the benefit of the doubt in those situations.

He had the ball SO LONG BEFORE Upton got into second base that the tag was just assumed, the way double play tags are traditionally assumed by umpires.

Once again, disgraceful on Upton’s part.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is all because he doesn't care.

He chews. He dips. He might even smoke.

by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 18, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

B.J. says

Fuck yo kids I’m gonna lazy them to lazytown where they can laze around all day

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not pink.

Just cut the same way.

www.citadel-insurance.com

by SeanDubbs on Aug 18, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there is really something called lazy town

wow! And i hope you didn’t take offense to that I just re-read it.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Upton had a stand up double

but the ump called him out for being lazy. Basically the 2nd baseman got his glove close, an obvious no tag.

by putupyourDUKES on Aug 18, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except he wasn't tagged

And maddon is so lazy he didn’t bother to come out and fight for his player.

by putupyourDUKES on Aug 18, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a tag...

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone read

The Book: Playing the percentages in baseball

I just came across this and was wondering if it was worth reading.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's good

very math-heavy, so you kind of have to like that to enjoy reading the whole book.

the conclusions are extremely cool, often different from current sabermetric thinking (like bunting is a good option more than you’d think.)

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 18, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Sky I'm gonna see if I can find a cheap copy somewhere

Tango is the shizzle

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it kicks ass.

I checked it out from the library and read it all in 4 days.

by lailaihei on Aug 18, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd for a

LOL4REALZ

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm serious...

Highly recommended…

by lailaihei on Aug 18, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I late on this or did anyone see that Al Reyes refused minor league assignment? Why in the hell would he not want a chance to get called up here? (well..it wouldn't happen) but still?

Kinda like Gary McGlover signing with Detroit….must be the money? Regardless I guess I’m happy both are no longer in the organization

by Rays Rule on Aug 18, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

McGlover hasn't realized

Mo’ Money, Mo’ Problems
Plus he wanted the chance to learn the Fossum Flip

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the meantime

We are putting the hurt to the big bad Angels. And time is running out in Sox and Yankee nation.

by RayFanNY on Aug 18, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oakland and Texas.

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you forgot the Seattle Strasburgs

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Those teams are awful.

by putupyourDUKES on Aug 18, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

....Hahah, what a funny joke?

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...How is time running out on the sox? We still have to worry about him.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FREE WILLY!

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

with a handle like "mittens"

you’re never in the wrong chat room.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHJAHAHAHA

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's doing work

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wheres that free candy.jpg when you need it

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

RJ's getting some work done alright

Between this and justifying Beejus’ most recent mental lapse he should be up all night oh yeah

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In an unmarked van?

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How's J-Money doing tonight?

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing to defend.

It was stupid. He should’ve ran.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 18, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The bright spot is he hit the crap out of the ball.

But otherwise it was the same thing Hanley did. Oh well.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 18, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*he hit the crap out of the ball

to left field…

Very good sign.

by Vin on Aug 18, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Washburn's getting lit up .. again.

Too bad the Twins missed out on him.

by RATW on Aug 18, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The ageless one with an RBI double

I’ve always liked his game just wish he wasn’t so streaky

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

....

…..

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RJ is here! We missed you man!

He’s nice..but not as nice as you!

by Rays Rule on Aug 18, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...Who's nice?

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya gotta love Mad Dog

When a guy makes mistakes the night before he is not afraid to run him back out there. That has to build incredible confidence.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The good, the bad, the Beej

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Balfour racks up K's

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LONGO4WORLDLEADER!!!!!

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad....I failed to reply about you saying you don't understandwhy people boo Upton.

EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AGREED THAT BJ IS A LAZY ASS…I still love the guy, gimme a freakin break man!

by Rays Rule on Aug 18, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So? You boo him?

He’s still one of our best players. You don’t boo those types unless you want them to leave. If you want him to leave then you don’t want to win.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 18, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4-1 Boston

Good ol’ Bird bullpen.

by RATW on Aug 18, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They shoulda tried to get something for Cheryl when they had the chance

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crap

Fay is going to miss us… I guess I gotta go to work tomorrow.

All things LONGORIA!

by RalphieTheRay on Aug 18, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anybody listening to the radio here Mad Dog just say he was a victim of identity theft?

I bet he wishes they hadn’t given out his glasses now.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I too, am the victim of identity theft.

Some woman sci fi writer has a website with my name.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 18, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something you need to tell us

Chris/Christina?

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dodgers acquire Maddux

Not sure if this was on here yet.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 18, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I get what you're going for and I love Scotty, but

he has close to 120 starts and nearly 800 IP in MLB. He has a young arm, but he should have a veteran brain by now. That means pitching to the situation. Of course if he had his good slider it would be a moot point.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then lets see progress there and not taking steps backward.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHen you adjust your motion to make progress, things get tricky.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IP/GS

2004 4.75
2005 5.8
2006 6
2007 6
2008 5.75

Look at my name I love the guy, but I want him to evolve more into the Sandy Koufax than the Scott Kazmir part of it.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

20085 isn't over...!

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look RJ, I know you have the biggest hard on for Upton, but you would be a fool if you don't think he screwed up....

And ever since I can remember, fans boo the opposing team and even guys they root for if they fuck up. And BJ fucked up. Period.

by Rays Rule on Aug 18, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't mean you boo him

I’m pretty sure BJ understands the play more than any of us and knows he messed up

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the point of booing?

Oh, you’re MAD at a bad play? Holy shit, really?!

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 18, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Teammates boo eachother all the time, amirite?

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bookilis tried that shit and Manny punched him in the face

Best move he ever made

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

I’m a fan of this team and I’m not booing anyone on it. As an analyst obviously I like B.J. and don’t care too much for Edwin, but even if Edwin gets firebombed I’m still cheering for him.

Maybe I’m in the minority.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 18, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SHowing how idiotic Booing is.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...Just shut the fuck up right now, ok?

The only fans who boo their own players are New Yorkers or Jerkoffs.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well played.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about you go say hello to LONGO4PREZ in a place I like to call BOXED.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boxing people is boo-worthy

It makes you look like a power-mad dictator squashing first amendment rights. Let peoples own idiocy doom them.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You must have missed the second part.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HUI thought the first amendment of DRB was We only use one stat?

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats the first commandment

Stop confusing Church and State it makes you look dum!

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FIrst Amendment: "Don't be dumb"

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YOU GUYS ARE BOTH WRONG.

Rays Rule, you wanna keep being an asshole and rubbing this into their faces here, go ahead. When you get boxed, enjoy your time off.

RJ and SBP, I have every right to boo my team when they make awful plays if I paid for my ticket. My only other way of showing dissatisfaction with my team is to not buy a ticket. Sitting there and doing nothing doesn’t do anything at all.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't box him.

He’s got the right, but I have the right to think it’s fucking stupid.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 18, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose that last year you would have loved to see 15,000 people come to Rays games

And sit around and do absolutely nothing for their 50 home losses. Silent crowds. Because they didn’t win.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or every time a player makes a really really stupid play

Everybody just collectively shrugs? Should they cheer? How would 15,000 of you in a crowd have reacted to that Upton play?

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I curl up in a ball and cry, but that’s just me.

I see no point to booing your own team.

by RATW on Aug 18, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is, it's what fans do.

You can’t tell fans to not boo their team for making mistakes, because there’s really nothing else they can do other than stand around and do nothing.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody said not to boo.

I said it was stupid. As we know, people do a lot of stupid things, and some of that gives me humor.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 18, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree with you on this.

I don’t think booing is stupid at all unless you boo for really really stupid reasons. Booing Upton for trying to coast into 2nd and getting caught from behind from a lead-footed 1st baseman is booworthy in my eyes.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still, those were three bonehead mental mistakes in one play

48 hours after being benched for a bonehead mental mistake. It’s not worthy of a booing, but it’s not exactly cheer-worthy, either.

by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 18, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but the Boeing B.J. is something everyone should receive once

Something about being 40,000 feet up makes it that much better

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lolz

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Balfour has an astronomical K/9

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fuck

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

twss

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BOOOO BALFOUR. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Balfour will continue to regress

until he throws something different. Same pitch over and over again.

www.raysbb.com

Yes, we really do have fans.

by killa3312 on Aug 18, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...Uh, Mariono Rivera says hi.

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mariano*

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As much as I like Balfour

He’s no Mariano Rivera.

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Yes, we really do have fans.

by killa3312 on Aug 18, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody is

B-ref had a stat the other day that of guys with 1000+IP he has an ERA+ of close to 200. The next guy had like 150

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh. This is a close game now.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're not going to pull a sternfan and only show up when it is tight or we're losing are you?

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been here for awhile, buddy.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just messing with you

and I’m not your friend, guy

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Gameday Bradford's balls look like they're springing up from the grass like bouncing Betties.

The arc is awesome.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We have a knuckleballer.

We’re in no position to be casting aspersions.

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 18, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More like a KnuckleLOLLER.

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

still leading, barely

plz get some runs back here

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh jeez, right on the hammy.

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn Aybar

and you were doing so well

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...Why is Trever Miller coming in?

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

very nice pitch

do that 2 more times

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gah

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

THIS WON'T END WELL

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great a walk

I know he has been better but wtf with bringing him in here

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i will gladly eat crow

3 more, just 3 more

I need some insurance runs here

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HELL YES. HELL FUCKING YES.

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YAYERRRRRRRR

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that normally how it goes down

by intention or not?

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Usually.

But I don’t know how many are going to have power or come on here tomorrow. I guess I’ll throw something together.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 18, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the Rays could use a day off tomorrow.

Bullpen getting a big workout lately. If there’s a game tomorrow, Shields better go 8 innings.

by sofladude77 on Aug 18, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no

give me CGSO

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would be even better

But Santana could do the same if he’s really on too.

by sofladude77 on Aug 18, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring a sleeping bag and some MRE's

This is going to be the WORST TROPICAL STORM EVER
at least that’s what TV screams

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in Virginia right now and they are yelling at me

I was all like c’mon guys and they were like but the damage won’t someone please think of the children and I was like whoa

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RUUUUUUUUGS

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Say yes to Ruggs

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah, bunt was miedocre.

But miedocre pitcher on the mound who hasn’t played there much he took safe route.

by sofladude77 on Aug 18, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSS

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOO HOO

What can Gross do for you!!!

by sofladude77 on Aug 18, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GAbeeeeeee and Ruggggsss

Ruggs says fuck you Foley I’m a man I’m 40

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Even better

He was still getting under it.

by kericr on Aug 18, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

slartibarti

man that had jack all over it. i blame the wind from the fans not being there cause of HURRCIANE

by HAHAHA OH WOW on Aug 18, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We probably have enough members to do a pool for the rest of the year for when he will hit it out

$10 for everybody,pull names out of a hat huh huh?

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AKI KNOCK

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeahhh boiiii

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Figgins bobbled the ball.....

and still threw out BJ by 3 steps

Someone with his speed should not be out that that much on a bobbled ball like that

by Jason Collette on Aug 18, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Durham blew the game

Price was in line for a W

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ruggs looks pissed

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

im prob late

but Beckham hit a homer and a double today

by joeybw on Aug 18, 2008 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOOOOOOOOOO!

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by P Brady on Aug 18, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs