Double Plays

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 21, 2008 10:44 AM EDT Comment 39 comments

Using NetDP and StatCorner here are the top twin killers hitting and pitching. NetDP is a Baseball Prospectus stat, here's the definition:

The number of additional double plays generated versus an average player with the same number of opportunities. Negative NET DP indicates that fewer double plays than average were produced.

#	NAME	TEAM	LG	YEAR	DP	DP%	NETDP
1	Hinske	TBA	AL	2008	14	19.20%	4.33
2	Navarro	TBA	AL	2008	12	17.90%	3.12
3	Riggans	TBA	AL	2008	5	31.30%	2.88
4	Bartlett	TBA	AL	2008	11	17.50%	2.65
5	Longoria	TBA	AL	2008	11	13.60%	0.27
6	Gross	TBA	AL	2008	6	13.00%	-0.1
7	Zobrist	TBA	AL	2008	3	10.70%	-0.71
8	Gomes	TBA	AL	2008	2	7.40%	-1.58
9	Aybar	TBA	AL	2008	5	9.80%	-1.76
10	Floyd	TBA	AL	2008	3	8.30%	-1.77
11	Upton	TBA	AL	2008	12	11.00%	-2.45
12	Pena	TBA	AL	2008	8	9.90%	-2.73
13	Crawford	TBA	AL	2008	11	9.50%	-4.37
14	Iwamura	TBA	AL	2008	2	2.90%	-7.14

So the best player at avoiding double plays is Aki, followed by Crawford, Pena, and Upton. I'm a bit surprised that Floyd is in the negatives and lower than Zobrist, but that's where perception is apparently wrong. Hinske, Navarro, Riggans, Bartlett, and Longoria (barely) are the worst at avoiding double plays and cause more than an average player would in their place.

Now for the pitchers:

#	Pitcher	GDP
1	Jackson	22
2	Garza	19
3	Shields	16
4	Sonny	12
5	Bradford	11
6	Hammel	6
7	Howell	6
8	Miller	4
9	Kazmir	2
10	Wheeler	2
11	Percival	0
12	Balfour	0

No surprise, the strikeout pitchers are mostly near the bottom. Kazmir only having two with that slider is more than a bit disappointing, and I hadn't realized that Miller had gotten quite that many.

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Exactly why i posted not to use Navi as a PH

last night

He should change his number to 43 to help the scorer out

by sternfan1 on Aug 21, 2008 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Riggans is just as bad

You would have bunted then I presume.

by rglass44 on Aug 21, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes and sent Baldelli to do it

by sternfan1 on Aug 21, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't see the whole chart

It cuts off before Net

by rglass44 on Aug 21, 2008 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Not once I am in the post

by rglass44 on Aug 21, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

On the left side hit "wide".

That’s my setting and it works well.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 21, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hokay

by rglass44 on Aug 21, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

EJax gettin' it done...

workin’ out of jams. He really steps it up when he gets into trouble.

by save_the_trop on Aug 21, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If only he didn't walk himself into those jams.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 21, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's why

The more runners on the more likely to GIDP. One thing that would make this post more useful would be to have a GIDP%, the percentage of DP opportunities the pitcher actually gets DPs. Another interesting aspect would be the defense as a whole compared to other defenses.

by rglass44 on Aug 21, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like that GIDP% idea.

I’d have to get the numbers together.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 21, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm looking at it on BR

They don’t have the necessary stats. One idea I was thinking about is adding up all the times there was a runner on first, first and second, and bases loaded (which is available). Then divide it by the percentage of PAs with less than 2 outs. Then look at GIDPs as a percentage of that number. What do you think?

by rglass44 on Aug 21, 2008 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought they used to list the #2 with and without 2 outs.

I guess not. Let me see if I can’t find another way.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 21, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok I have run this idea for Shields and Jackson

Shields= 15.65%
Jackson= 19.94%

by rglass44 on Aug 21, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we were to do this for the whole team

We’d be able to compare the IF defense and see how much better it truly is.

by rglass44 on Aug 21, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I did a fanshot with it

After I get some work done I may do it for us versus other AL teams.

by rglass44 on Aug 21, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How do I post a chart on this site?

I have it in a google.doc

by rglass44 on Aug 21, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

does BPro have netDP for pitchers?

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 21, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like I said...

he works himself out of those jams.

by save_the_trop on Aug 21, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If only he'd apply the no walks &groundball inducing process full time

He’d be a good pitcher.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 21, 2008 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For a pitcher who throws mid to upper 90s

his H/IP sucks

by sternfan1 on Aug 21, 2008 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

As does his K/9 and BB/9

Oh and FB/GB.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 21, 2008 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Make that K/BB and add HR/9.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 21, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Would you deal him v Sonny?

by sternfan1 on Aug 21, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sonnanstine is better.

If we’re planning on winning, yes, if we’re trying to keep the large upsides and rebuild I deal Sonny. Unless of course someone is willing to overpay.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 21, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be very critical of dealing Sonny

did you see Nieman’s gem last night?

Where does he fit in ’09?

by sternfan1 on Aug 21, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bullpen or traded

Most likely. The alternative is someone in the rotation gets traded and Price starts in AAA.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 21, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's still learning...

have you not noticed most of his hits and walks come with nobody on base. He really seems to concentrate better when he is in a jam. He’ll learn to have the same concentration from the start before long.

by save_the_trop on Aug 21, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree. I believe Edwin concentrates as fully as he can no matter what.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 21, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to...

I meant EJax should go to Vegas, ’cause he is one lucky s.o.b.

by save_the_trop on Aug 21, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, because numbers are SOOOOO silly!

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 21, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting what the WHIP to DP% ratio is

by sternfan1 on Aug 21, 2008 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Possible reason for Kazmir low DP numbers (also good fangraphs article)

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 21, 2008 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 21, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think this has been covered before

I don’t expect to see the kick-ass Kazmir we had the first month of the season again this year since it doesn’t look like he’s trying to get his slider back to a reliable pitch at this point. If we have this Kaz next year, I think it’s time we start looking to do something with him. Kaz’s fastball is not a good enough pitch to rely on 75% of the time, and and he’s lost velocity on it which makes it a worse pitch than before that.

by kericr on Aug 21, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Someone with Upton's speed should not have that many giddyups.

formerly websterjtc; always 9 = 8

by walkoffwalk on Aug 21, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He's better than average, though...

Yes, 11’s a lot, but he also batted in a TON of double play situations. (Batting third he often comes up in the first inning with less than two outs a runner on.)

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 21, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok, so what's it all worth

A double-play is worth about .4 run more costly that the average out, on average. So Hinske’s extra DPs cost the team about 1.75 runs while Aki’s lack of DPs saves them team about 3 runs. It matters, but isn’t a huge deal.

These numbers show another reason Upton will make a good #2 going forward: lack of GIDPs.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 21, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs