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Tampa Bay Rays @ Chicago White Sox


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA tRA
2008 - Andy Sonnanstine 13-6 25 25 1 1 0 0 152.1 172 80 74 14 27 95 4.37 3.78

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA tRA
2008 - Mark Buehrle 11-10 26 26 1 0 0 0 168.0 184 84 73 17 39 102 3.91 4.08

If I was a plastic surgeon I'd turn everyone into a dinosaur.

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team run average? Maybe?

The hell if I know I was only a Journalism major!

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 11:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

http://statcorner.com/stats.html#tra

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 11:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Developed by Graham MacAree, the basic introduction to tRA is located here. tRA involves assigning run and out values to all events under a pitcher’s control and coming up with an expected number of runs allowed and outs generated in a defense and park neutral environment. tRA is on a R/9 scale and does not involve any regression of the rates so while it should be more useful at determining a pitcher’s true talent level, the best method for pitching projection is to use tRA*, the regressed version of tRA. tRA* is coming soon to the website.

am i the only one that doesn’t understand this?

9 = 8

by walkoffwalk on Aug 24, 2008 12:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's pretty much

what the ERA should be based on the amount of fly balls, ground balls, pop ups, strikeouts, and walks allowed. I probably forgot a couple.

by rays1234 on Aug 24, 2008 12:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Linedrives, but yeah

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 12:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good tRA = Good ERA

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 12:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am going to have to go with $1, Bob.

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You would turn everyone into a dinosaur? The winning season has gone to your head.

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 11:52 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, the memories....

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I LOVED THAT SHOW

Wow. Where the hell did it go?

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Aug 24, 2008 1:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 12:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno

LSB facebook group ---->>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=33345329288

by hinduplaya on Aug 24, 2008 12:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is this saying an outfield fly ball has an 83% chance of being an out?

9 = 8

by walkoffwalk on Aug 24, 2008 12:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 12:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SUCK IT UP!

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 24, 2008 12:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trade for 2009

Jackson for Gutierrez as the two centerpieces

by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

which Gutierrez?

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what I thought, just double-checking the ol' thought process.

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You never know with sternfan1.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 24, 2008 12:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You deserve a fish slap for that. Sorry.

I mean really.

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am married, I don't think.

That’s the key to a successful marriage!

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would take JRuggs over the Guitz anyday.

Maybe it’s just me.

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

No way. I watch the Indians quite a bit

Gut has had a down year till lately, but has 5 tool potential, and has MLB numbers to boot

plus he’s two years younger than Ruggs

by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guitz is 25.

Jorge Cantu had a down year and look what happened to him. He became a Red… then Marlin… but that is off the subject.

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I had more time I would love to hear how you figure Franklin Gutierrez to be a five tool player.

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, just you

That’s silly talk.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 24, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha!

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Best on the rotation.

I think Balfour has him beat overall.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 12:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

EDWIN>SONNY

EDWIN BATTLES!

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 24, 2008 12:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Edwin screams set-up guy or future closer. At least to me.

He is doing a good job I don’t see him working for us in the rotation in the next two-three years. If anything I see both EJax and Sonny going to pen to make room for Davis and Price. Furthermore I see the same thing happening to Jake McGee. He would be a great set-up guy or closer with his fast ball. But, that’s just me.

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Edwin screams trade bait. IMO

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 24, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see that perspective as well.

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am not surprised at all.

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damm, i was hoping higher

so i could rip him on the tribe forum

by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This.......

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 24, 2008 12:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So if Fossum's tRA is 6.2 and Lee's tRA is 2.6 it's safe to say that Fossum is the Anti Cliff Lee.

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes it is

Because Casey Fossum is really bad at baseball

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 12:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And to add to the dinosaur theme

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 12:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HA!

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 24, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha!

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am off to work, later fellas'.

Go Rays! MVP: Pena!

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I work for Hotels.

I haven’t touch fry-pit since I was 16. But, I will pass the order down. “Delegate Down!”

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No worry mahn.

The line it is drawn/The curse it is cast/The slow one now/Will later be fast/ As the present now/Will later be past/The order is/Rapidly fadin'./And the first one now/Will later be last/For the times they are a-changin'..- Bob Dylan

by thebaddancingraysfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just finished my FF draft

Running Backs: Brendan Jacobs, Michael Turner, Lendale White, Andre Hall

I think the rest of my team sucks.

by kericr on Aug 24, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nobody cares about your fantasy team

j/k

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 1:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doesn't mtter whether you're kidding or not

You’re probably right. I don’t even care about it.

by kericr on Aug 24, 2008 1:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MVP

Big Game Sonny. Muthafuckas don’t even know what is about to hit them. They don’t even know.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rocco!!!!!!!!

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Aug 24, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How good do you think Rocco feels to be coming back and hitting homers just in time for the Rays postseason run?

After all the crap he’s had to go through, to make it back right now…THAT is sweet timing.

B.J. Upton's new nickname = "Laggard McShambleslow"

by esoteric on Aug 24, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pena robbed of a hit

No way that should’ve been an error. Tough error on the Chi Sox

by sofladude77 on Aug 24, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rocco's HR

That was a really sweet swing

by sofladude77 on Aug 24, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I missed Rocco's homer ?!?!

I HATE FSU TELECOMMUNICATIONS!!!!!!!! >:(

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lovin the DP

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good pitch

and the maple bat explodes into a double play

by sofladude77 on Aug 24, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LF

You are kidding right?

by sofladude77 on Aug 24, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TBS is blacked out in the FSN broadcast zone

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

luckily magrane is on ion today...

FSN and brighthouse in central florida dont play nice…

by pmoc on Aug 24, 2008 2:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't even have TV right now, so I don't know

I thought the game was on FSN, though

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by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 2:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jacoby Ellsbury has a headache

He ran into that fence in RF in Toronto

by sofladude77 on Aug 24, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ROFL

Wouldn’t compare him to Gus, Gus gave himself a headache. Jacoby made a fine play there.

by sofladude77 on Aug 24, 2008 2:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yay

MLB.com replays are from the ChiSox broadcast

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by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lots of typos so far

Maybe I had a real stroke yesterday instead of a faux heart attack.

by kericr on Aug 24, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just got back from a walk

All I got to say is: The Woonsocket Rocket: The Re-Launch!

Won’t be here most of the game going to Lounge to watch game and play ping pong.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 24, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOOOOOOOO

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's awesome!

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Aug 24, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yayy, My motherboard decided to cooperate

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fucking awesome

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Almost another free out

That ball slipped out of his hand, got lucky it rolled to 2nd.

by kericr on Aug 24, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lyle Overbay

Just socked one off Dice-K

by sofladude77 on Aug 24, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am not looking forward to the Rays/Jays matchup

We’ve had their number so far, but this Jays team is not the same team the Rays faced earlier this year. If they played this good at the beginning of the year this team would be in the thick of this division race.

by kericr on Aug 24, 2008 2:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True but

Their offense can’t keep this up, they are playing way over their head.

by sofladude77 on Aug 24, 2008 2:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Buerhele vs Baldelli

From one Amish looking guy to a former amish wannabe.

by sofladude77 on Aug 24, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rocco's listening to Upton too much :D

Right, Heater posters?

Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth

by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Howell's TRA is 6.24

so…he’s been real lucky?

9 = 8

by walkoffwalk on Aug 24, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Howell's TRA is 3.95...

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our entire staff probably had TRAs around 6

With exceptions to Kaz and Shields

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by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tRA is Fielding Independent

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 2:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah

Thanks for the info. I did not know that.

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by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How's it vs FIP and DIPS?

http://tampabayraysprospects.blogspot.com/

by DAM on Aug 24, 2008 3:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Better

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 3:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

I was about to call bullshit on that one

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by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alexi Ramirez

What a play, kudos to him

by sofladude77 on Aug 24, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alexei Ramirez is starting to piss me off

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by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ron and Ian? You mean the guys who said they hope Upshaw rots in hell?

I cannot wait until Fenton takes those dickheads off the radio.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did they really?

WTF is that?

www.citadel-insurance.com

by SeanDubbs on Aug 24, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Assholes

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by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's the real deal

When life hands you lemons.........just add vodka.

by Guinness on Aug 24, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ug

Put it on a tee for him.

www.citadel-insurance.com

by SeanDubbs on Aug 24, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God Damnit, Sonny

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by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fuck

i knew he would hit it out

by joeybw on Aug 24, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Odd Trajectory for a Double

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess with Carlos Quentin, it was only a matter of time

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by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's leaving 'em up.

FAIL

www.citadel-insurance.com

by SeanDubbs on Aug 24, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright Sonny, settle the fuck down

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by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice Sonny

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by JMB on Aug 24, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wouldn't be a Rays win...

If we didn’t come from behind.

www.citadel-insurance.com

by SeanDubbs on Aug 24, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs