Recap: This game gives me a headache.
by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
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Tough loss today
Good series for TB though
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
huge difference bnetween 3-0 and 2-1
by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
How do you think we feel after the first two? Those ones weren’t easy
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to argue
But you guys could have put this one away in the 9th… but whatever makes you feel better I guess
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, I agree.
It really should have never gotten to the 10th, but that’s what happens in baseball.
There’s still no place for the dumb shit that went down today.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your bullpen blows
but probably good enbough to win weak hitting ALC
by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
They are okay… by the way the White Sox lead the AL in homeruns and have 2 of the top five home run hitters currently… is the division weak? Somewhat, but “weak hitting” isn’t how I’d describe it
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
check playoff baseball
HR are not a big thing
you have only Jenks in the pen who is good consistently
by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're on the road, against a team that's been in first most of the year.
I’ll take the series and be thankful. They had two pitching advantages and we squeaked both out.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are pretty damn good
I have a 10 dollar bet on you guys winning the division with a friend from Boston
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow high roller dont spend it all in one place.
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by omnipotent grab on Aug 24, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot the pic.
"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen
by omnipotent grab on Aug 24, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJ and some portslut.
"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen
by omnipotent grab on Aug 24, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJ smokes Doug Edding's pole
Eddings was the ump on the not-dropped 3rd strike call play with Josh Paul too.
I always enjoyed watching my brother strike AJ out in high school.
by Jason Collette on Aug 24, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a great play in '05. Eddings has a place in my heart.
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by omnipotent grab on Aug 24, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very touch loss
As Todd Kalas said, this was the worst call in the 11 year history of the Rays. What is the ump looking at? how can a call like that decide the game? but you know, this would not have happened if Upton throws the ball back immediately after he caught it for the 1st out of the inning and the catcher on first. he tags at first and goes to second and Upton has the play right in front of him and he takes at least 2 seconds to throw to second. he should be sent to the minors for all I care. Of course none of this happens if Riggans catches the ball in the bottom of the nine. Which brings up the point, why is Navarro sitting so much? Overall it was a good series and we took 2 out of 3.
by setfree on Aug 24, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
terrible umping eh?
crew chief, post-game:
“As a runner, you’re allowed to do that. What Doug ruled at second base was, even though A.J. did kind of stick his arm out to make contact, Aybar was still in his way, so A.J., if he would have turned, he wouldn’t have been able to continue on to third. So after making the throw, Aybar is no longer in the act of fielding and he can’t obstruct the runner, which is what Doug ruled happened. And in a rundown, even though A.J. was going back to second, the rule of obstruction during a rundown is he gets his next advanced base and that’s why he was rewarded third base.”
“If Aybar’s got the ball, there’s no obstruction, You protect the fielder when he’s in the act of fielding. Once that ball’s released and out of his hand, he has to vacate.”
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 24, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
- thatshortkid
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 24, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The umpires have each others backs. They changed the call in 2005,
and backed him up then too.
by Rick B on Aug 24, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you could just make the play at the plate in the 9th.
But I blame that on B.J. too.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pkay at late should have been made
but again BJ was a mental error
by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should've hit it softer too.
Upton is the reason we lose. Always.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or in your mind BJ can do no wrong
ESPN -- The Red Sox Network
by St Pete Native on Aug 24, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy, another poster who only shows up to bash Upton. Clever fella.
by RATW on Aug 24, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of his comments have been about blasting Upton.
Wait until tomorrow morning at 11 so all this Upton team cancer crap can go away.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monday at 11..?
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by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU WILL SEE!
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Aug 24, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing another post?
This may no longer be in one’s best interest.
by kericr on Aug 24, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a link.
All the BS about how the org thinks he’s a malcontent and shit should end. Will it? Probably not, but it should.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"...so all this Upton team cancer crap can go away."
Don’t say stuff like this if you don’t believe in it.
by kericr on Aug 24, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The truth posts are done.
You have fucktards who say I like Upton more than the team or act like I think Upton is some saint. I know Upton has done some stuff bad, but if you focus only on the bad you need to do something outside of watch baseball.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...He's right.
If Upton doesn’t lollipop the throw, the rundown doesn’t happen.
by Kevin Gengler on Aug 24, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Riggans/Zobrist make a simple play we aren't bitching right now.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He included that in his post!
He’s not saying BJ UPTON SUCKS REASON WE LOST GET HIM OUT OF HERE.
by Kevin Gengler on Aug 24, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“he should be sent to the minors for all I care”
You’re right. He made a very well-reasoned post above.
by RATW on Aug 24, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without B.J. we don't have 50 losses.
We have quite a few more.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he lollipop it? He caught it, turned and threw. i didn't see a pause or anything.
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by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On replay it does look like he forgot there was a runner on 1st
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 24, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If AJ was fast then NO problem
but i’ll bet that’s the 1st time he took 2B on a FO to CF
by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he does this all the time to unattentive outfielders.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 24, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't even the worst call in the last week, IMO
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Aug 24, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure we should have put it away at the plate in the 9th
But that doesn’t mean that the umpire had to give Pier-douche bag a free pass to third base. MLB Umpires apparently hate the Rays. That idiot catcher on the White Sox made more of a move toward Aybar than Upton did towards second base. He cheated, and the umpires let him get away with it. If he wasn’t so clumsy and not fallen on his ass he would have ended up 4 feet out of the baseline.
by jwgator on Aug 24, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If BJ's ball stays in play it's over
by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
He didn’t really cheat. There’s no rule against throwing your arm out and trying to induce a bad call from an ump. In fact, it’s unbelievable that the ump actually made that bad of a call, but, we didn’t see it from his vantage point. Players/teams do seemingly unethical things all the time, such as taking out a basemen to break up a play. The key is that they are trying to get the ump to rule in their favor, as A.J. did. You have to give A.J. credit — he’s just a lot smarter and creative than a lot of other players. Also, it’s not as if the Rays have a monopoly on playing honest baseball. I recall you guys stealing signs earlier in this series. Again, unethical, but it’s a part of the game. The Sox weren’t adequately protecting their signs, and you guys capitalized on that. On a similar note, Aybar wasn’t adequately protecting himself during that play, and he got burned. Players typically make a beeline away from a runner after getting rid of the ball in a rundown. He wasn’t. He was staying very close to where A.J. was, and perhaps A.J. saw that. Then he took advantage of it. Similar to the Rays taking advantage and stealing signs.
Just a thought. You guys have a great team down there, and behind the ChiSox, I’m somewhat rooting for you. It’s nice to see the underdogs do well.
by convergejd on Aug 24, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stealing Signs?
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by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Methinks the back-to-back pitchouts, but I wasn't aware of stolen signs accusations.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
There were accusations, and it was pretty clear to most, I believe it took place. The back-to-back pitchouts with absolute perfect timing was too much of a coincedence.
by convergejd on Aug 24, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By that dumb ass homer of an announcer.
You’re convinced we were stealing signs because Hawk fucking Harrelson said so?
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he is a dumbass.
So I don’t listen to him. I typically watch the games on mute. I was watching it with my girlfriend and instantly said, “They’re stealing signs.”
by convergejd on Aug 24, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously.
Because nobody’s ever been picked off before.
…and no team would ever, EVER think about pitching out twice. Ever. Couldn’t happen. Wouldn’t happen. We we’re obviously cheating.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams do it all the time.
But it’s rare that you see it executed perfectly, two times in a row, within seconds of each other.
Unless you stole the signs.
by convergejd on Aug 24, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
However,
That doesn’t matter. You’re making me stray from my original point. I won’t argue with you.
by convergejd on Aug 24, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re making me stray from my original point.
which is good, ’cause your original point was retarded.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing wrong with stealing signs...
That’s why the 3rd base coach goes through a progression of phony signs, because it is completely acceptable to pick a teams signs.
by td32 on Aug 24, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it's called interference
Reference: A-Rod in the 2004 ALCS.
I'm laughing at the superior intellect.
by Orlando Rays on Aug 24, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The text on that is
“(a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch.”
Aybar was no longer in possession of the ball, and therefore, he was no longer attempting to make the play.
by convergejd on Aug 24, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its sad that
Maddon is the pretty much the only person who could get in trouble for this. Eddings won’t be fined/fired. That bleach-blonde shitstain won’t get fined. Just Maddon, if he speaks out about it.
It’s really pretty stupid.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That isn't entirely true
Any type of disciplinary action against Eddings won’t be publicized but I imagine something will happen.
The call was terrible, yes, but do we really think an umpire doesn’t care when they make a bad, game deciding call? Like anyone else who takes work seriously, I’m sure Eddings cares when he blows a call. I’m not so sure the guy should be fired for one bad call. Everyone makes a bonehead decision every once in a while.
by tallyray on Aug 24, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any type of disciplinary action against Eddings won’t be publicized but I imagine something will happen.
Do you have any precedence?
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've read it in the past and am searching out the article
by tallyray on Aug 24, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gave it about five minutes...
And figured we’d here enough about it tomorrow that it wasn’t worth the effort to search out even more.
I’ll look to more and surely update you on my progress.
by tallyray on Aug 24, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Five minutes later...
“Screw it .. furry porn!”
by RATW on Aug 24, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't lump me into that group...
That whole thing is disturbing to me.
Anyhow, I stand somewhat corrected. One article I found noted that umps generally aren’t reprimanded for judgment calls but then went on to say that umpire discipline exists but is not publicly released. Link: http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/la/y2006/m07/d19/c1565708.jsp
I still believe I read something that umpires are sent a letter of reprimand if they make a call that seems to be an egregious error though I doubt this will fall into that category.
I still believe the call was poor because he was not in a good position to see who caused the obstruction and should have held off on the call until consulting with other umpires.
by tallyray on Aug 24, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ultimately irrelvant
What happended before the call means nothing. Riggans spazzing out, the ground rule double instead of the rbi double, hammel getting ripped, upton lollygagging again, whatever. The point is that it was a railroad job to the nth degree. For “Sox Fan” to come in here and say “tough loss, how do you think we feel?” is moronic. How do we think you feel? I don’t know, we couldn’t say. As Rays fans, one day maybe we will experience what it’s like to have a game handed to us by terrible umpiring. We’ll have to get back to you on that once we’re done removing the blunt objects out of our ass.
by Bobby Fenton on Aug 24, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No dummy
We were winning the previous two games and you guys came back… remember
I guess you should go cry about it or something
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the umpires didn't win it.
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by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you guys are right
The Umpires gave that hit to Konerko in the 9th… I forgot about that one
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations on tying the game. Good for you.
The Sox sure as hell didn’t win it though.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap? You mean Konerko won it in the 9th? AMAZING
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by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Brian Anderson wasn't a dipshit
he wouldn’t have been going home anyway.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When a ball is hit hard enough that it's obvious you're going to be thrown out.
you don’t go.
The throw beat him be a mile.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he tied it
You guys were winning until then… but your right its the Umpires fault, not your closer
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am right
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 24, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
White Sox will fold like a chap suit
trust me
by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just like in 05?
you guys have 1 winning season and this is what i read when i come here? laughable. Most of you guys just hopped on the bandwagon…
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 24, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No dummy
We won both of those w/o aid of an absolutely HORRIBLE call.
by zeng8r on Aug 24, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
two of the worst calls in the history of baseball have gone against us in the past week....
conspiracy?
by death taxes and longoria on Aug 24, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't Derkinger bad...
And I would call it bad luck. It just so happened that both plays were in such a crucial spot.
by tallyray on Aug 24, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s pretty messed up how the league is always putting the fix in for the white sox. i mean, why???!?
by baby_jamie on Aug 24, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And another thing
The only thing you can do is use this as motivation. It’s hard to feel like an underdog with one of the top records in baseball. With our history, it’s a little easier, but still, the more they can play up the “it’s us against the world and they’re all out to hose us” thing, the better. That’s a powerful motivator. I remember the National Championship game between Florida and Ohio State, and even though I thought we (Florida) was actually the better team all along, that whole “Florida doesn’t belong” crap got us so fired up, and I can only imagine what it did for the players. I was ready to run throguh a wall before kickoff of that game. The Rays can use stuff like this. It still pisses me off though.
by Bobby Fenton on Aug 24, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good points
You oughtta have a radio talk show or sumthin.
by zeng8r on Aug 24, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I got your point the first time Sox Fan, and Chicago may have won later in the game anyway, no way to know. But the whole idea is that having the other team simply come back isn’t comparable to getting jobbed over on an historically bad call.
by Bobby Fenton on Aug 24, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and my point is
it was one call, I’d be more pissed at your closer then the Umpires but whatever
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The play is a clickable linescore on MLB.com for anyone who didn't see it
by tallyray on Aug 24, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go to mlb.com scoreboard
And click on the blue “1” in the bottom of the tenth. Any blue numbers can be clicked and you can watch that half inning.
by tallyray on Aug 24, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
What a fucking douche.
White Sox announcers: “It’s the defenders fault for not moving out of the way”
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 24, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, their D does suck... I'm convinced now that they won't go far...
I hope they take the wild card from Boston, and then are easy pray for us… payback baby… I think Liriano is gonna get ridiculous in Sept and the Twins win the central…
by daveh33 on Aug 24, 2008 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I miss the umpire's strike.
at least the scabs has an excuse for shit like this.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
*Puts tinfoil on head*
These crappy calls right on top of each other are making me believe that MLB office is freaking out that the Yanks and Red Sox might not make the playoffs.
Tough loss but another series win against a good team, it’ll be nice to have a home stretch coming up after all these road games recently.
by atlantaray on Aug 24, 2008 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Corrupt
I understand why MLB doesnt want replay, it would be much more difficult to fix the outcomes of ballgames or hold personal vendettas.
Hey sox815…know what makes me feel better? Knowing that we are a far superior team to yours, and will prove it in the playoffs.
by utvolsfan11 on Aug 24, 2008 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That may be true
But at least I don’t think the MLB has an active conspiracy against my baseball team because they lost a game because of a bad call…
I know you guys are new at this baseball thing, but you will get used to it
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow so has every baseball team
Its part of the game.. shit happens.
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it doesn't
how many contoversial calls in the last week have we had compared to other teams?
by daveh33 on Aug 24, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea
Aren’t you guys trying to build a new stadium down there? Don’t you think a good playoff run would help? Don’t you think the MLB wants to see your fanbase built up more?
I can understand being upset about the call, I would be too if it was the reverse… but thinking there is a conspiracy against your team is moronic..
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i havent said anything about a conspiracy
but do we get a bunch of shit calls? yes.
by daveh33 on Aug 24, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh really?
“I understand why MLB doesnt want replay, it would be much more difficult to fix the outcomes of ballgames or hold personal vendettas.”
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a differen't poster.
But you keep on winning fella.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda like our baseball team did today
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations on stopping that 5 game losing streak against us.
Really. Be proud.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why should I?
From this exchange all I’m learning is that some Rays fans believe that the MLB is throwing games
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean it sounds dumb in Basketball
but even worse in Baseball
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it happened in basketball... anyone who watched the boston/atlanta series knows this
by daveh33 on Aug 24, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're a dumbass if you don't know this
… it’s not like this has never happened… there was that one team, i can’t remember which…. let’s see, it was a baseball team… long time ago…
by daveh33 on Aug 24, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but it wasn't the MLB who threw that series
They need to start teaching Rhetoric and Logic classes in Florida
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does it matter who it is?
honestly… and i dont live in florida and never have
by daveh33 on Aug 24, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When your trying to use it to make a point
yes
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh the point is that
it is possible that umpires/players/people cheat
by daveh33 on Aug 24, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is making this all the better
for when we throttle you in the playoffs… assuming you can beat the twins and red sox…
by daveh33 on Aug 24, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be classier pal,
At least you fit in with your bigot manager and cheating catcher.
…I bet you even bleach your hair, dontcha?
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
^ was done in cleveland last series of the season...
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 24, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
05'
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 24, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umpire crew chief Ted Barrett defended the decision:
“As a runner, you’re allowed to do that. What Doug ruled at second base was, even though A.J. did kind of stick his arm out to make contact, Aybar was still in his way, so A.J., if he would have turned, he wouldn’t have been able to continue on to third. So after making the throw, Aybar is no longer in the act of fielding and he can’t obstruct the runner, which is what Doug ruled happened. And in a rundown, even though A.J. was going back to second, the rule of obstruction during a rundown is he gets his next advanced base and that’s why he was rewarded third base.”
“If Aybar’s got the ball, there’s no obstruction, You protect the fielder when he’s in the act of fielding. Once that ball’s released and out of his hand, he has to vacate.”
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm sick of them defending themselves
vagina monologues
by daveh33 on Aug 24, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it’s ok to clothesline any fielder in the baseline as long as he doesn’t have the ball apparently.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I read is from Barrett
“blah blah blah I’m a stupid asshole”
Umps are never going to throw another ump under the bus. What else was Aybar supposed to do on that play? He ran out to the left and AssJole Pussynksi clearly dove into him – even Barrett admitted it. Baserunners cannot make an offensive move on a fielder on such a play and should have been called for obstruction immediately.
by Jason Collette on Aug 24, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Demoralizing loss today, ladies.
It won’t be more than a fortnight before the dreaded Boston Red Stockings pass us in the standings. By this time next month I suspect we will be in third place.
Regards
by LOL U GOT AJ'D on Aug 24, 2008 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see you in 2nd place in the wild card standings, but who is going to overtake you?
Don’t think you can hold of the Yankees? Well, at least one Chicago team should make the playoffs, you can just switch the gear in your closet and you’ll be good.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 24, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the MLB has a conspiracy against the White Sox
I mean, look at how we lost the last two games. Some of those pitches were called as strikes and they clearly were not…
by 815Sox on Aug 24, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I, for one, am grateful you guys gave us the opportunity to beat you in the season series.
It really gives me a lot of confidence knowing that we are a better team than the Chicago Whitesox.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 24, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
That like saying, “I knew I could beat up a 4 year old anyway, but didn’t really feel confident about it until I actually bashed his face in.”
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No man, I want to thank the White Sox and their fans for trying every game.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 24, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird
You didn’t strike me as the type of guy who would hand out participation ribbons.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone gets a gold at the special olympics
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 24, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're an enigma man...
a goddamned puzzlebox.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are a better baseball team, but at least
they have fans dumb passionate enough to act like their team are winners
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 24, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you're right.
Maybe they just don’t know any better.
by Vin on Aug 24, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a pleasant aside, here is a Special Olympics observation:
At a former job we had TVs on all day, and one channel had ESPN2 (The Deuce). One day they were showing the Special Olympics, Golf specifically. There are many ways that this could wind up being funny, but ESPN2 (The Deuce) took the extraordinary step of showing the score cards (self-scored by the players).
Funniest thing I’ve ever seen in my life.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 24, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez...
we’re not that far removed from a world series championship…and have been in first place for the majority of the season. We’ve got some dumb fans (what team doesn’t?) but I’d say it is a bit much to suggest that we’re being out of line “acting like our team are winners”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 25, 2008 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitch F/X says you're a liar.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Aug 24, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how CNNSI referenced the shadiness at the end of the game, but the house organ (ESPN)
makes no mention of it
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 24, 2008 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN puts it all on Upton
“AJ made a great play”
the brains of that network never cease to amaze me
by Jason Collette on Aug 24, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's all Upton's fault
That’s what they said on baseball tonight. What a bunch of assholes
by Pie-O-My on Aug 24, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
are you serious!
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Aug 24, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're surprised that BBTN was stupid?
They still fucking employ Steve Philips and John Kruk last I checked. Their lead baseball-writter is still on the payroll of the Red Sox, and the show is still broadcast on the WWL.
Baseball Tonight is single handedly responsible for Jeter winning gold gloves (WEB GEMS!) They are horrible abominations
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 24, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not surprised.
I just wanted to make sure.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Aug 24, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the crew chief again justifying the call….
IF A.J would have turned, he wouldnt have been able to.
Well he DIDNT turn, he threw an elbow and then tripped over himself.
These guys hide behind the fact that MLB “protects” them. It’s like a child who knows that he wont be disciplined, he does whatever the hell he wants.
Bottom line is this….
These guys think they are hurting the Rays, but we control our destiny, not them. We still sit 4.5 games up with 6 more head to head. This team hasnt lost a game in 2 weeks that wasnt influenced by corrupt officials, and we are STILL bashing the AL’s brains in.
If that kind of play had happened against the Sox, Guillen would have assaulted someone lol.
by utvolsfan11 on Aug 24, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention....
Pierzynski stepped into the grass on the play before flopping which should have automatically ruled him out since the grass is out of the baseline.
by Jason Collette on Aug 24, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel sorry for 815Sox and the rest of the white sox.
The White Sox announcers are the most annoying people I have ever heard announce a game. I’m an extremely objective person, who enjoys logic and reason, and actually finds most of sports mania pretty biased, but those guys take the cake. Hawk was just dumb, and the other guy was so arrogant it made me want to win just to shove it in his face. Sorry you have to live with those guys. Looks like both Sox teams are just as arrogant as the other.
by plasticman on Aug 24, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's what Roto has to say
Alexei Ramirez drove in A.J. Pierzynski with a single in a controversial 10th inning Sunday as the White Sox outlasted the Rays 6-5.
The White Sox were down 5-4 heading into the bottom of the ninth before Paul Konerko picked up his 45th RBI and tied the game with a single that scored pinch-runner Brian Anderson. In the 10th, things got even crazier. A.J. Pierzynski led off with a single, then advanced to second when B.J. Upton lazily flipped the relay throw in. Pierzynski got caught in a rundown on the next play, a grounder to short, but was ruled safe at third on a call of interference after he was “pushed” to the ground by Willy Aybar. Replays showed Pierzynski initiated the contact. Nonetheless, Ramirez singled one batter later and A.J. crossed the plate as the winning run one
by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
RE: 815sox
People like that never learn and you’re feeding him by replying to him. Ignoring is a good thing.
Also, pitch F/X says the big call the umpire missed was the 1-2 pitch to Konerko in the 9th. Pitch F/X showed it right down the middle. Pitch F/X has a margin of error of 2.2 inches. All the people sitting around me at Safeco were wondering why I suddenly got so pissed…but that was the truly heinous call of the game. If Pitch F/X can call balls and strikes down to a 2.2 inch margin of error, I think it’s time to do away with home plate umpires doing anything but calling out or safe. It may be part of the game, but it’s a stupid part of the game and if you can guarantee you’ll get the call right, you do it.
Human error needs to stop being “part of the game” on the umpiring side and with the technology to rid ourselves of such errors, there’s no reason not to.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Aug 24, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But human errors are part of the game.
You mean you want nothing to distract from the talent of the players and want everything else equalized? You sir are ridiculous.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want umpiring to be computerized
I like the human element. I despise instant replay in the NFL and NCAA, as it always holds up the game and drags on incessantly.
On the other hand, officials in all sports need to be accountable to a higher authority other than their own union. Baseball and the NFL are horribly officiated sports and everyone knows it. Humans can do the job. We just need the right humans doing the job.
by RayFanNY on Aug 24, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you rather waste a few minutes and get the call right, or have blown calls change the outcome of a game?
Replay has been a godsend for the NFL
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Aug 25, 2008 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you've made it down here...
…um, can the White Sox fans on this thread stop being trolls? In return, can the Rays fans stop being assholes? Thanks.
by kericr on Aug 24, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This thread sucks.
I don’t even feel like reading through it.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed the last inning
and whatever this bad play was.
But i saw the bottom of the 9th, and thats all i need to know about the conclusion of this game
by Acadien on Aug 24, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's a question
on BJs GR double, can the ump award Aki home plate, based on whether or not it was obvious he would score?
by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe so.
The only time (to my knowledge) that can happen is when a fan or the park (see: Wrigley’s ivy) interfere with the ball.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
XM Home Plate Take
Chris Powell on XM was on right after the conclusion of the game. In his words, “The Rays were jobbed by the umpiring crew.” He called the umpires a joke, and the call a disgrace.
Of course the homer White Sox radio crew justified the whole thing. Being a homer and a cheerleader is one thing, but you’d think you might act like a journalist once in a while.
by RayFanNY on Aug 24, 2008 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Minor point...
but broadcasters are not journalists. I love Hawk and DJ, but that is just because I’m a Sox fan. I could see where listening to such complete homers would be frustrating for opposing teams..but regardless it is important to note the difference between broadcasters and journalists.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 25, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ironically
I actually enjoy the Sox broadcasters, both TV and radio, when the Rays are not involved. When rooting for the other team, that type of homer-ism can be beyond annoying. However when the Rays are not involved, I find it rather humorous.
There must be something about Chicago. Arguably even worse homer-ism is with the Cubs radio crew. Ron Santos literally cries into the microphone every time the Cubbies fall behind. And if someone hits a home run for them, he is literally cheering and screaming like a school girl. I’ve yet to hear a single bit of analysis out of that dork.
by RayFanNY on Aug 25, 2008 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no worse
than Hawk Harrelson. He’s just horrible all the way around. That said, he’s an employee of the White Sox, and if they want someone who’s miserable at doing the play by play but good at cheerleading, then that’s their problem.
People are making way too much of the play on this thread. As annoying as it is that the umps got the call wrong, Pierzynski made a heads-up play, and has proven over and over again that he’s not beyond trying to fool the umpires to get a call to go his way. There’s a reason most people don’t like him. BJ should have thrown the ball in right away (although even the TBS crew said they didn’t think Upton could have gotten him even if he threw the ball in right away), and Aybar will always remember to step to the side during a rundown instead of diagonally. Still, there’s no grand conspiracy, and it wasn’t bad or even unethical baseball.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Aug 25, 2008 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ said the ball drifted on him and forced him to turn resulting in being unable to set his feet.
I’d like to see the play because I missed it; pending that, I can imagine that he probably wasn’t even set until AJ was halfway between 1st and 2nd, at which point there’s no reason to try to rush the throw in.
by kericr on Aug 25, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth..
not all Sox fans are jerks. I just wanted to stop by and say that this was the first time I’ve really gotten a chance to sit down and watch a few days worth of your team and I’m solidly impressed by your club. The AJ play not withstanding (and I’ll admit that it was a bad call…but one that I’ll gladly take given how tight the divisional race is) I think we’re seeing two good, evenly matched teams when the Sox and Rays play.
Good luck the rest of the way…I’d love nothing more than to see you guys make the playoffs and hold Boston and NY out.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 25, 2008 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just remember when you win the AL Central by one game this year ....
Your Welcome !!!
by PewterPirate55 on Aug 25, 2008 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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