Friedman on Upton.
TR: B.J. Upton is becoming a polarizing figure among Rays fans and members of the media. There is a perception that B.J. has an "attitude problem", however, I myself think quite the contrary. I think B.J. has shown a lot of leadership for a player his age. Coming straight from the top, do you or anybody in the organization think Upton has a"bad attitude"or is a"malcontent"?
AF: Not at all. Even though B.J. has gone through times when he hasn't been in a groove at the plate, he has been and continues to be one of the most important parts of our team. Nobody's perfect, but when Joe chose to bench him a few weeks ago, B.J. was candid and forthright and took full responsibility. He's a big part of our current success and he will play a large part in our future success as well.
That comes from Tommy's excellent interview with Andrew Friedman over at OPS.
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Kaz, CC and Friedman all reppin' purple city.
DRO screwed up, sippin that purple oil?
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 25, 2008 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Quote...
I wish some people on the air and in the papers would quit creating controversy to sell papers and gain listeners so they can make money. The Rays are the hottest story in Tampa going right now. Even over shadowing the Buccaneers. Never thought I would see that but alas we are at that point.
They have to create it to make money off of the Rays success to take away from the fact that they did not support them from day 1.
Deumig and JP Peterson can go suck a cock for all I care. If they don’t they are just too lazy and malcontent to do so.
by PewterPirate55 on Aug 25, 2008 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
let me make sure i'm reading this correctly,
you are saying that: if “Deumig and JP Peterson [don’t] go suck a cock, they don’t they are just too lazy and malcontent to do so.”?? is that how i’m reading this?
by davidsmarch on Aug 25, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his point is that Tha Big Dawg!!!! and JP "Hates Blacks" Peterson are homosexuals, and would be better served sucking cock then commenting on this issue.
If they fail to suck cock, it is due to their lazy nature.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 25, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
learn this: your and you're are two different words...
by davidsmarch on Aug 25, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
You’re a quick learner and you’re also a grammar nazi. As opposed to your knowledge of baseball being severly lacking.
by PewterPirate55 on Aug 25, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN
I’m over this BJ perception…Nobody made an issue about Cliff Floyd walking to first base the other day on a ground ball….so his knees are messed up……
wahhh…..
I wish One Nut Kruk would shut his pie hole….
by death taxes and longoria on Aug 25, 2008 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So was this interview before or after BJ's lollipop throw from yesterday's game against the Sox?
I mean, there was no excuse for the loss. Or for Zobrist’s short hopped throw (though one could argue that he isn’t a LF) or for Riggs inability to catch a fucken ball. But come on; for anyone to get BJ’s back for that lackadaisical “mental” error needs to seriously bend over and let us all give them a swift kick. Shit…..I could have made that damn tag from first. And for Maddon to lay into him and bench him for his previous incidents and not do anything about this one makes no sense to me.
by Rays Rule on Aug 25, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Before
I finished the Interview on Saturday.
www.outsperswing.com
by Tommy Rancel on Aug 25, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How could that play be deemed Zobrist's fault at all...
It was a 2 hop throw that was right on the money. Sure, it was an inbetween hop, but you can get those on a one hop throw. If Riggans makes a fairly average play, the Rays have the guy gunned by 20 ft.
by td32 on Aug 25, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes the throw was there, i was just using zobrist's throw as an example as to why one would think we lost the game
not to say that is the reason why we lost the game
by Rays Rule on Aug 25, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you're missing a very simple solution to the problem with yesterdays game

by HAHAHA OH WOW on Aug 25, 2008 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This should be no surprise.
Regardless of how the organization feels about Upton it makes no sense to run him down in the media. First, it’s just not the right way for a front office to act. Second, if they believe he is a part of the future they don’t want to blind side him by saying something to the media such as “we are pretty disappointed with BJ’s effort the last few weeks…he really needs to step up his effort and mental approach to the game.” Rightly or wrongly the guy is already getting killed in the media. Finally, if they don’t see him as part of the future they wouldn’t want to let other teams know that internally they don’t believe in his effort level. That would decrease the teams leverage.
by K-Rock on Aug 25, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point, however, after his prior screwups we shouldn't even be HAVING these posts about Upton.
And maybe he was deep on that play. And maybe he was off balanced when he threw. But from my TV screen it appeared that he showed lack of hustle. It was almost like watching him in slow motion
by Rays Rule on Aug 25, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well seeing how often you come on here and rail on Upton
I’m going to go ahead and say that I don’t trust your perception in the least. I don’t see you blasting anyone else.
by kericr on Aug 25, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kericr, i will be the firsty to say when a player screwed up. is it my fault that lately it has been BJ?
Not my fault the guy screwed up…more than once
by Rays Rule on Aug 25, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for the record, I am a huge Upton Fan
I want to see the guy do well, maybe that is why I am so harsh on his “mental” errors the past couple of weeks. I don’t think at this point in the season he should be making them
by Rays Rule on Aug 25, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the rays are so lucky to have a fan that is the first to point out their screw ups..
without you, they’d probably go unnoticed…/severe sarcasm
by pmoc on Aug 25, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You pointed out that Gross' bobble lead to Griffey reaching second, and later the tying run scoring, right?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 25, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, gross could have flielded more cleanly but i still think griffey would have made it to 2nd
by Rays Rule on Aug 25, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bobbling a ball is not a hustle issue, though..as maddon says, it takes no talent to hustle.
9 = 8
by walkoffwalk on Aug 25, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but whatever. it's annoying that every time bj does something dumb, there's a new message board about it.
9 = 8
by walkoffwalk on Aug 25, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's equally stupid that every time BJ does something dumb, that the same twenty people show up in a board that isn't about BJ (such as a game recap board) to talk about how lazy or incompetent BJ is.
That’s the reason why boards like these end up being made.
by kericr on Aug 25, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From my experiences with front offices
The person I’m dealing with will usually choose to skip a question or ignore a part of the question. Friedman addressed the malcontent part immediately. Now whether that’s club speak or not is backed up from my knowledge from other sources who have said there is nothing to this crap about Upton being a malcontent or a problem in the organization.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 25, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like BJ but ask yourself this
how many times has AJ tagged and advanced to 2B on a fly ball out?
by sternfan1 on Aug 25, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very good interview.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Aug 25, 2008 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
My favorite answer was " I am a right-handed hitter, but when I said we had confidence in our internal options, that’s not what I had in mind."
I think Andrew might me more valuable as a player than Ruggiano rignt now at least at setting up the double play in LF.
www.outsperswing.com
by Tommy Rancel on Aug 25, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably the only way that the media bias against Upton goes away...
…is if the Rays put Jonny Gomes in CF.
by kericr on Aug 25, 2008 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Please don't say that.
Bad mental image
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 25, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we're already too far removed from the Elijah Dukes in center era?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Aug 25, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only we would've had a guy who could've played center last year instead of Delmon/Elijah.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 25, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carl Demonte Crawford?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Aug 25, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Gathright like I miss
The Clap.
by PewterPirate55 on Aug 25, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when in the hell is that ball going to come down? dope!
Longo=ROY. Friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Gabe Gross= clutch.
by RaysOfHope on Aug 27, 2008 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We didn't really learn anything from the interview. Everything was just boiler plate responses.
Even if BJ is a prick (which i don’t believe), no way Friedman says something like that.
9 = 8
by walkoffwalk on Aug 25, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but still, pretty cool, nonetheless.
9 = 8
by walkoffwalk on Aug 25, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ is not a prick...
Multiple people on this board have sources within the organization that can corroberate this. He is a good clubhouse guy, that has mental lapses. He made a mistake yesterday assuming AJ wouldnt be tagging. My only problem with him, is that he shouldnt be taking anything for granted with all of the crap that’s been going on lately.
by td32 on Aug 25, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically he needs to tell the critics to shut the hell up.
By playing his game and doing the silly crap that people will rag on him (and only him) with.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 25, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the most difficult thing
about the BJ Upton saga this year, is that it highlights the spectator aspect of sports. Nothing we do on this board really affects the quality of play we get on the field, but that fact doesn’t stop people from expressing their anger.
No matter how much we need BJ you have to admit that watching him can be frustrating, really frustrating at times. Again, I’m not saying the guys who demand that we trade him are correct, but it is unreasonable to disagree with people who are upset at BJ. Yeah, we need him. Yeah, he’s good. But when he slacks, it’s just WTF. This is not a clear cut issue, not matter how much the two sides on this board want it to be.
by plasticman on Aug 25, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pointing out that he makes mistakes (he does) is fine.
Saying he’s not trying, has no heart, or wants off the team is baseless and grounds for character assassination It’s not the people on this site who are driving this bull, it’s the local radio hosts who don’t know crap and continue to run their damn mouths about their “sources” that really don’t exist. .
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 25, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs a lot of coaching
These mental errors are partly a result from starting his professional career as a shortstop. He needs to be coached on situational times in the game and how he needs to be aggressive and smart in the outfield. He sometimes shows that he doesn’t understand some aspects on how to play the game and play it right.
by sofladude77 on Aug 25, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"These mental errors are partly a result from starting his professional career as a shortstop."
More specifically, these mental errors are partially a result of having a combined service time of approximately 15 months in his entire career in baseball playing CF after spending his entire baseball career in the infield.
I’m in agreement with you SoFlaDude, so I’m going to present a new point not directed at you.
Tell you what. Let’s say you spend 15 months learning a new language, say spanish. Suddenly, you’re thrust into Miami where the vast majority of people around speak spanish. You’re good to go, right? You speak spanish, you’ve spent 15 months studying it.
Now what would you say if three out of every ten people called you estupido every time you you used the wrong word, say calling a city block a “manzana” (which is a city block in south america but an apple everywhere else). Or if you had trouble rolling the trilled R ("rr") which many many native english speakers do and three out of every ten called you a gringo.
The fact is, if you were in this situation, I assure you that there will be more than your fair share of instances where you use the wrong word, or can’t think of the right word, or mispronounce a word, or S-P-E-A-K C-O-M-P-A-R-A-T-I-V-E-L-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y. You’re open to criticism about your ability to speak Spanish, so I’m sure you’ll be a good sport when I call you stupid for not knowing all of the words, or lazy for not practicing hard enough learning how to roll that trilled R. I’m not being completely irrational for acting like this, right?
Did I mention that I don’t speak a lick of Spanish?
How about you, are you a professional baseball player?
by kericr on Aug 25, 2008 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I am a huge BJ supporter...
But what you are discussing is apples and oranges. First, most of the complaints have come from BJ’s lack of hustle, from the hitting angle, not out in the field. This most recent development is the first one that has been bantered about dealing with his D.
Honestly, it is real basic stuff for someone playing baseball that long. BJ needs to up his effort a bit, and eliminate the haters ability to rip him.
I like BJ a lot, but he doesnt help himself sometimes.
by td32 on Aug 25, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that BJ ever does anything wrong
And I think my comparison is closer than you think. I’ll try to explain what I mean but I’m not going to go into too much detail. You’ve spoken English for years. By your POV, basic concepts like enunciation and pronunciation is basic stuff to you regardless of language, just as basic fielding concepts like reading when a player is leaving the bag for the next base or reading the distance of a flyball are simple concepts to BJ regardless of position. If you still don’t understand, that’s fine. If you do understand and don’t agree, that’s fine too.
BJ doesn’t help himself sometimes. He’s absent-minded in the field by treating far too many plays as ‘routine’, and that’s wrong. The point I’m trying to make with this is that levying the harshest criticisms upon him for mistakes that we see him make, such as calling to trade or release him, sending him down to the minors, benching him permanently, etc, is absurd. People act like BJ’s been playing for this team for four or five years and that he’s been like this all of the time. You didn’t hear criticism on BJ’s lack of hustle or mental mistakes last year, but then again it’s hard to criticize someone who’s hitting .315 with 24HR over about 120 games for lack of hustle and not trying hard enough.
I’m really sick and tired of seeing this topic on this site at all. I’m sick of the people coming on here just to rail on BJ (seeing the people on the last game recap thread somehow figuring out a way to lay the blame of the loss on Upton was the last straw for me). I’m equally sick of seeing these Upton defense threads. Hell, I’m even sick of making lazy jokes. I think this topic needs to be boxed.
by kericr on Aug 26, 2008 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm one of those that comes in only to rail on BJ.
your comparison is not that close really. Come on, learning a new language is totally different, however, i met a Bulgarian guy, 22 years old at the Atlanta Omni hotel last week while I was there on business who moved here 2 years ago to work and spoke almost perfect English. he had an accent (thats why I asked him where he was from) but he pronounced the words correctly and in the right places. His English was an American English as opposed to that from Great Britain or Australia. He came here to work and was working as a valet at the hotel and had 2 other part ‘time jobs. My point is that he learned in order to make it here and earn money and not only that but he is giving it his all to move up in the world and is showing his appreciation to this country by working 3 jobs. He hustled to park cars and seemed ready and willing to do all he could for the hotel customers coming and going. Don’t you think it was hard to come here and learn a new language and work 3 jobs?
Upton is privileged to have the talent he has and work while playing a game and make more money than you and I make or will make in our lifetime. there is no difference in terms of hustle and heart and mental knowledge between the infield and the outfield. you mean to tell me that it takes more than 15 months to remember to throw the ball in ASAP to the right base? that a runner on first may tag and go to second? that you have to go all out and catch the ball even though you may run into the wall? that you need to hustle down the first base line even though other players don’t all the time? and finally don’t take so many third strikes with the game on the line?
His head is not in the game at all times. his attitude sucks. he doesn’t want to be here in Tampa. management has said that they tried to sign him to a long term deal like the other players but he doesn’t want to, why? he thinks there is more money on the free agent market for him, thats why. some sucker will pay him a bundle and get the same thing we see here. BJ thinks he has arrived, that he is a star and can command that sort of interest in him. he thinks he is an impact player. I think he can be but not until he eliminates his mental mistakes. think of Mark Derosa with the cubs. he plays all over the place and get makes the plays required at his position. At work don’t we all have to where different hats at times and we still hustle and think? its a poor excuse to say he’s only had 15 months at center. He is a product of this generation in that he doesn’t think he needs to work hard at anything. fundamentals are not important to him. its all about the highlights and all about looking and acting cool. My first post i mentioned that my son has a friend who lives on the same street as BJ in south Tampa and BJ showed up at a party. he apparently walked around acting cool, and not talking much to the kids. when asked about playing here, he just said that he was waiting out his time here and moving on. what is that mean? he is not committed here. he doesn’t care about this organization. why? maybe ‘cause they traded away his friends? who knows, but if he doesn’t want to be here then I don’t want him on our team. we have plenty of talent to be competitive.
by setfree on Aug 27, 2008 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm one of those that comes in only to rail on BJ.
And now you know why nobody really cares what you say.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 27, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your english fucking sucks.
Why don’t you go back and study more about punctuation you douche?
by kericr on Aug 27, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, i agree with your sentiment, but chill
my blog // calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy // past results do not guarantee future performance
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 27, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, my comment isn't derogatory at all.
It’s a comment that supports my point. It’s just as irrational for me to attack his character for not being perfect in punctuation and sentance structure as it is for him to attack Upton’s character for making mental errors.
by kericr on Aug 27, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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get a life. I dare you call me a douche to my face, just tell me were you are at. I’m a minority, speak two languages. I didn’t learn English till I went to school, OK! I travel all over and make over $ 200,000 per year, just so you know. I’ve also been a baseball fan all my life and I know when someone is dogging it and when they don’t get it.
Just tell me where and when, jerk
by setfree on Aug 27, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm barely going to dignify this with a response.
As you obviously didn’t see by my immediate post above yours, I’m trying to prove my point and I’m not really insulting you, but obviously your reading comprehension still leaves something to be desired, and your response even reinforces my point. Does it really make sense for me to call you names because english is your second language? Just because english is my first and only language does not make me an expert in it; just as you ‘loving baseball’ makes you neither an expert in baseball or give you the right to personally attack Upton by calling him a cancer. You don’t know shit about this team.
Other than that, everything else you said tells me you’re 16 years old and work at a wal-mart. You don’t make $200k, if you had the kind of job that did that, you’d be flying your ass to every Rays game you could get to, and you’d be far too busy with your job to ever post on this board. You’d also have plenty of resources available to find me without me helping you, so I invite you to try.
And if you seriously, honestly are what you say and you do manage to run into me, I’m sure that you, me, and my 92 can work things out internet tough-guy.
by kericr on Aug 27, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At first I was one of those people 'bashing' Upton.
However I never saw the problem as anything too serious. So what he didn’t run out a ball or two. It isn’t the biggest deal. I understood he needed to learn to hustle and that is why Maddon benched him. It wasn’t really a big deal.
The problem was the media, mainly talk radio, took it the wrong way. They took something very minute and totally went with it. Basically they fabricated crap just the way those two umpires did. BJ has done NOTHING to deserve all the hate he has gotten. Absolutely nothing. It went from a learning lesson to a full blown character assassination. So while I expect and I will demand that BJ hustle and put 110% effort out on the field I will always have his back when it comes to this character assassination.
by matthan on Aug 26, 2008 12:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yup
Nobody should be excusing BJ from hustling. But it’s the over-reaction and character-bashing that’s completely unfair. BJ is a hard worker. And he should hustle more. That’s it.
my blog // calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy // past results do not guarantee future performance
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 26, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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how do any of you know that BJ is a hard worker? huh? how do you know? If mental errors are character-bashing then so be it. What, you can’t tell it like it is anymore because it is politically incorrect? What , he better not know that he is being called to the carpet because because he might fall apart or cry? I love the Rays and I like Upton, but he is not yet a superstar and he cannot get a pass, not with that .260 average, 8 HR, and 58 RBI. He has regressed from last years numbers and he is not looking good at the plate nor on the field. He has talent but lacks discipline and knowledge of the game, the strategy, the fundamentals. He can’t have a manny being manny moment out there. he can’t back it up with his stats or leadership, yet. BJ needs to step it up. this is his 3rd year in the majors. He is not a rookie. For the Rays to succeed in the post season, they need hustle, leadership, no ego, and stats. Why do you think that the Rays were looking for right hand outfield power? All playoff teams need at least 1 more likely 2 power hitters in the outfield. Crawford is a spray hitter, right field is a platoon of hitters, and BJ cannot be the same type of player as Crawford. Not when Hinske gets platooned and gets pinch hit for alot, not when our shortstop and 2nd baseman don’t hit that much either. This guy should have improved from last year’s numbers, am I right or wrong?
By the way, I am a minority also so I am not prejudiced against BJ. I also have a degree in business management from a southern californian university, so I am not stupid as you might be implying from the comments you and others are making. I just don’t spend a lot of time on this website because I have a life. I write fast and get out quickly.
You know what, I hope you continue to make love to BJ (BJ! no pun intended). Just like he could care less about what I have to say, he doesn’t care what you have to say either. Go ahead and slober all over him, but don’t be disappointed when he doesn’t sign your ball, you jerk.
by setfree on Aug 27, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree matthan
people who link him with dukes and delmon dont know what they are talking about
Longo=ROY. Friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Gabe Gross= clutch.
by RaysOfHope on Aug 27, 2008 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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