8/28: TOR (68-64) at RAYS (80-51)
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
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Toronto Blue Jays at Tampa Bay Rays, Aug 28, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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Pitching Matchup:
| IP | tRA | + | K/9 | BB/9 | K/BB | HR/9 | OPS | WHIP | G/F | P/IP | ||
| TOR | RH J. Litsch |
128.0 | 4.89 | 97 | 4.64 | 1.69 | 2.75 | 1.20 | .753 | 1.29 | 1.55 | 15.55 |
| RAYS | RH E. Jackson |
149.0 | 5.53 | 86 | 5.32 | 4.05 | 1.31 | 1.15 | .766 | 1.44 | 0.99 | 16.50 |
GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Iwamura, 2b
Upton, cf
Pena, 1b
Floyd, dh
Aybar, 3b
Hinske, lf
Gross, rf
Riggans, c
Bartlett,ss
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You and your new-age stats, statboy.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lots of good stuff in those pitching lines
raise your hand if you wouldn’t trade Edwin Jackson for Jesse Litsch?
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't use saves! YAY
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saves and Blown saves was a stat yesterday
for the starting pitchers.
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmm
I don’t usually use those statlines anyways. I prefer to create my own, but I was in a time crunch yesterday so I copped out.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He DIDN'T use ERA! Overwhelming Indifference!
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this post.
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by Tyler on Aug 28, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What should we bitch about today?
The line-up? The attendance? Edwin Jackson? Lack of hustle?
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
Tubby needs to suck it up and play. If he can’t play through cramping hammys, he’s pretty much useless.
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fucking Navarro.
Be a team player. Goddammit I hate pieces of crap like that. You’re hurt and won’t play? Shit, what type of person doesn’t try to man through it?! YOU CAN’T PLAY 100% WHILE HURT? WHAT A QUITTER.
/Heater
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at Merriman!
And that with 2 torn ligaments in his KNEE! Navi is a puss.
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone NOT think that Merriman will be rather ineffective and go down for the year between weeks 4 and 8?
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sooner
Someone’s gonna chop-block his ass and his season will be over. I don’t think he makes it past the 3rd quarter of game one.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
I think he’s being an idiot and I’m pretty damned surprised the Chargers organization would let him do this.
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it makes no sense
all of the doctors he visited told him to have surgery, a couple said it could be career threatening, and he could lose millions by just shifting his weight the wrong way. Could there be something we’re missing?
by Roc on Aug 28, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is if Riggans got the PA of navi, je lapped
him as far as OPS goes
i know, it’s not based on that, still navi is very unproductive
by sternfan1 on Aug 28, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
How do you “guess” that something happened and then go on to say that you know its not the case only a sentence later?
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm basing it on how
anyuone who can hit 290, can only have 30 something RVIs
by sternfan1 on Aug 28, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batting average + RBIs.
Why do you hate me
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are you talking about?
i am not impressed with navi
rather have Kelly Shoppach
by sternfan1 on Aug 28, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're using two stats that either say nothing at all, or very little.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than one stat.
He’s getting better….I think?
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barack Obama's speech conflicting with the game
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I glady will miss nobama's speech tonight
by plasticman on Aug 28, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You like Obama? I thought you'd be a bigger fan of Medvedev being a communist and all.
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by Tyler on Aug 28, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Wookies were hardcore conservatives.
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Medvedev's a tool
Vladdy Putin 4 ever
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground.
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by Tyler on Aug 28, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are both horrible leaders.
In the vein of Chavez.
by plasticman on Aug 28, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...Sarcasm? Well there you go.
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by Tyler on Aug 28, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castro's a role model too.
Either one, take your pick. I don’t care which.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Mccain is too busy eating applesauce and warm milk to care.
I won’t vote, but jeez, Mccain Vs. Obama is like Shit Vs. One of those duck on a string toys.
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't vote...
am I right?
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't vote anyway
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You misspelled Obama
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
....You changed the spelling of his name?
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone notice the more stupid the website, the shittier it looks?
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a web developer, I can tell you
Yes. Yes I do.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of the problem.
Flashy speaker, empty message. The more substantive sources often are not as pretty.
Sort of like Obama and McCain!
by plasticman on Aug 28, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You obviously didn't read my comment.
“The Stupider the website”
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think this looks 'pretty'?
This site is visually crude. A high-school preppie with an HTML book and MS Paint can put something better looking together. The appearance matches the message, absolute fucking garbage.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'll be glad to tell the SBN people what you think
jk
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG PATRICK IS HERE!
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
You’ve already replied to me at least once in this thread yet you choose to state the obvious here, well after that first comment!
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG PATRICK IS SNARKY
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG PATRICK IS HAIRY!
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you're mixing it up.
SBN looks fine, the parent link is what’s crap.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I understood fully what you meant
I was just joking.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did something better at 3 AM using xhtml and hand drawn stuff.
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did it for Computer Apps class.
Don’t have it anymore.
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The appearance matches the message, absolute fucking garbage.
Yikes.
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any site that sells bumper stickers for 20$
and also specifies that they are for bumpers is garbage
by Roc on Aug 28, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This will affect me too
but since I have mlb.tv now, I won’t have to choose.
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear what you're saying.
But I just can’t watch archived games on MLB.tv. If the game has already been played and I know the score, I just can’t bring myself to watch it. That’s part of the reason I don’t watch the Olympics too much. I just hate tape delay.
Most likely I’ll use picture and picture with Obama’s audio on the small screen.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could watch the Olympics live on the East Coast and internet.
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most events were not broadcast live during normal hours
And I’m not going to go on the internet to watch Synchronized Swimming.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Handball FTW
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blame it on B.J. Upton
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw the post and the game
big fucking deal
by sternfan1 on Aug 28, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're gonna get banned before the game even starts...
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wishful thinking.
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by Tyler on Aug 28, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so you know.
Sternberg answered your question.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...He linked to it
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Click the Link
Look for “Stu s”
Get your dose of win.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is so cool
Indians forum posters would kill for a comment from the ‘boss’
by sternfan1 on Aug 28, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Follow the link.
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by Tyler on Aug 28, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A more legitimate question.
I wonder what he means when he says “different market, drawing 2 mil + 10 years before that”? The Braves were awful for 6 consecutive years, that was the result of their drop. Now the Rays have 14 home games left and are 5k behind that average to this point. It’s mathematically impossible at this point for the Rays to reach a 26k seasonal average. I’d be more interested in knowing if he’s going to be satisfied or dissapointed with the final numbers if they stay the same or creep up slightly, and what he expects to see for next year.
I’m honestly concerned that if we’re looking at 21-22k long term, that this team won’t stay here for long.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand the response. Yes, we’re comparing different markets and times. Yes, the Braves did have over 2 mil. the year after they won the NL West pennant in 1982 and yes the Expos drew very well in the early 1980’s after being playoff contenders beginning in 1979 and Olympic Stadium was still state of the art.
So he’s not happy with attendance? He thinks it will be better next year?
Purveyor of inane douchebaggery and general snarkiness
by RATW on Aug 28, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind, I think I understand now. Not going to read anything into it.
Purveyor of inane douchebaggery and general snarkiness
by RATW on Aug 28, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever PTI says is golden
I think ill just stop being a rays fan now.
by Roc on Aug 28, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a TRA equivalent for hitters?
9 = 8
by walkoffwalk on Aug 28, 2008 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no, wOBA is different, it's like OPS, but better
you can have wOBA for pitchers.
tRA for hitters wouldn’t mean as much, because the assumption that htiters don’t control many things other than K/9, BB/9, and GB/LD?FB% doesn’t hold. Hitters DO show a wide range of BABIPs, HR/FB, etc.
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wOBA isn't tRA for hitters, no.
But it’s probably the most advanced offensive stat out there, no?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, sure.
it’s linear weights, but in a rate form, which is nice.
for those unfamiliar, think of wOBA as OPS but with all hitting events weighted properly and on the OBP scale.
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wOBA for pitchers isn't as useful as for hitters
for the same reasons that OPS-against isn’t a great stat for pitchers — you’re holding them accountable for all hits, when fielding, luck, ballpark, etc. make an impact.
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, actually -- PrOPS (over at hardball times)
invented by a different guy. and while it has its uses, it suffers from the problems i listed above (some things that you don’t credit/blame to pitchers you SHOULD credit/blame to hitters.)
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stu needs to stick around for a GTD.
I can’t imagine how hard that would own.
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Fucking shit! get a fucking hit!"
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"YOU FUCKING SUCK LONGO WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU DONE BESIDES GET INJURED"
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"What an attention whore"
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"WTF is Raymond?"
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're all saying that Sternfan is actually SternBERG?
Well, I guess it all makes sense now.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that were true
greatest sense of humor ever.
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RJ how do we know that's really Stu, and not someone who just created the username Stu_S?
I believe you, but was just wondering
9 = 8
by walkoffwalk on Aug 28, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stu emailed me alerting me that he commented.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking how cool it would be for us to all volunteer names for the new Charlotte Park affiliate.
And then have him acknowledge them and ridicule us for failing so hard.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do we know that the email was actually his?
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I've exchanged emails with him for the past year+ on that account.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you give it to us so we can ask him for proof?
I promise I won’t try to sell him viagra or tell him that I am Nigerian Royalty and offer him a undeiably lucrative business proposal.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Computer problems, moving, ect.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah...
I thought his head exploded from dealing with newbs.
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
R.J.'s is about to.
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. This site has interviewed him before.
http://www.draysbay.com/2007/12/18/151452/20
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by Tyler on Aug 28, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I thought I failed epically. Turns out, PLK fails because the Sternberg interview on the sidebar goes to the Hunsicker interview.
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by Tyler on Aug 28, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PLK ALWAYS FAILS!
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mainly with the ladies.
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, Beckett's been scratched from his start
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by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and going to see our own dr james andrews
9 = 8
by walkoffwalk on Aug 28, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He works for us. But he works for most teams. He's actually listed as one of our teams employees.
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by Tyler on Aug 28, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What my cousin isn't commenting!
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's actually listed as one of our teams employees.
I didn’t know that.
by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't pitch if you can't feel your hand. And Dr. JA is theirs too. He works for a lot of teams.
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by Tyler on Aug 28, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he knows the stranger.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LAAAAAAAAAAWLZ
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by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHHHHHHHHHHHATT?
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by Tyler on Aug 28, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just get these out of the way.
1. Shame on you all for not being at the game. You’re horrible fans. HOW DARE YOU?!
2. Ruggiano is the outfielder of the future. Waive CC. Now.
3. BOOOOOOO Upton.
4. Price needs to be starting. 6 pitcher rotation FTW
5. Seriously, why aren’t you guys at the game? Bad fans!! Bad!
Now, let’s make Litsch look bad in front of his friends and families. Last time he started in the Trop we shelled him. Go do it again.
by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just saw A. C. Slater on ESPN
Nevermind it was Carlos. He’s goin deep all night.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GLOVESKE
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
clearly it was a knob job
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to say
when riggins got hit, it did not sound like “chest”
by plasticman on Aug 28, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't imagine thats what chest is a supposed to sound like
by kurby on Aug 28, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you get hit with a ball it does...
Sounds similar to getting thumped in the right spot on the back.
by td32 on Aug 28, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know its all a conspiracy to get the Sux in the playoffs right?
My cousins, girlfriends uncle heard it from a guy.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reply button is a failure
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sounded gross like if you have ever been near somebody that catches a ball in the face.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds more like a loud crack, then a sharp breath.
If I remember correctly.
If you want results, press the red button. The rest are useless.
by Katie on Aug 28, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was coaching first in a softball game and one of my teammates got one right in the temple
thats kind of what Riggs sounded like, but his was more sickening.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. Not a good sound.
I took a liner to the nose playing 3rd. I was more concerned with the blood than the sound at the time.
If you want results, press the red button. The rest are useless.
by Katie on Aug 28, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no bleeding in baseball
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a good thing I played softball then!
If you want results, press the red button. The rest are useless.
by Katie on Aug 28, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
and thats a true hot corner only being like 70 feet from the plate
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had a choice
I would probably pick the ball to the chest.
by kurby on Aug 28, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need some real discussions here
by putupyourDUKES on Aug 28, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard John McCains 2nd daughter was one of the girls
Elijiah knocked up. Go figure.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AKI KNOCK
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ive never seen Aki hit so far
awesome
by plasticman on Aug 28, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is an above average second baseman with a great attitude and work ethic
Aki = awesome
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him!
I have just never seen him hit far
love his ethic and skill
by plasticman on Aug 28, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what i think is so funny
is that he always gets in the middle of the brawls
not because he did anything
but because the other team seems to get revenge on the rays through him
by plasticman on Aug 28, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many times have we led off a game with back to back hits
I would say 3
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st and 3rd for Pena
lets not fuck this up
by joeybw on Aug 28, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine Carlos not crushing one tonight.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so is replay in effect for the cubs/phillies game?
its on wgn at 8
by dropkicknu on Aug 28, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its the first game that will feature it
by kurby on Aug 28, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
i hope there’s a play that needs it, i’m interested to see how it goes down
by dropkicknu on Aug 28, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The occurences of these "boundary" calls seem to be pretty scarce.
It would definitely be nice to get some practice in before the playoffs.
by kurby on Aug 28, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen maybe 6-10 questionable HR calls in my life. Over 20 years of watching games
and highlights. I think a bigger deal is being made of it than it deserves. Now if anyone wants to list the pros and cons of Homefield advantage in the World Series going to whichever team of guys that could care less can win a meaningless game I’m ready for some debating.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's because I'm not at work anymore.
FYI: Original Source: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article85048.ece
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Price has a good chance to pick up his first AAA victory.
Durham up 5-0 in the top 1st still 0 outs.
by Dbullsfan on Aug 28, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Edwin will have no chance if the Rays keep fielding like the Devil Rays.
Or the Mariners.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edwin
dominating as soon as he can get in the stretch
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edwin could care less about errors
good pitching inning
by joeybw on Aug 28, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
Didn’t take long for Dwayne Statts to say the P word.
by sofladude77 on Aug 28, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I won't say that Edwin is a "good" major league starter
but I will say that he is certainly improved. I don’t believe that it is all luck that his numbers are better. Some luck? Probably. But he just looks like he has better command out there. Maybe he can improve again next year (whoever he may be pitching for).
by stpetelawyer on Aug 28, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His tRA is awful
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would it be a stretch to say
He seems to have improved his control by reducing his velocity? I seem to remember him regularly touching 97-98MPH on his fastball. Now it seems like he’s around 93-94 and only occasionally run it up when he feels he really needs to try to blow it by?
If so, I don’t see that as an improvement in skill as much as an improvement in approach.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just checking over his numbers
His FB is only sitting a tick below last year’s average (94.1 v. 93.8) and his strike percentage is barely better (60% last year v. 61% this year).
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So probably not.
His strikeout rate go down?
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K9 is 5.32, down from 7.16
BB9 is 4.05 down from 4.92
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GB/FB ratio is down from last year too.
I’m not sure I see where the improvement lies, it just looks like batters are being more agressive and it’s not paying off for them.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like BABIP regression (from last year, mind you) and that's basically it.
I’m not bullshitting when I say he really hasn’t shown much improvement.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He seems like a good guy.
As a fan I cheer for him, as an analyst I just don’t want him on my team.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to edit the end of my post to
(wherever he may be pitching)
by stpetelawyer on Aug 28, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a good 4th or 5th in the rotation.
Better than most teams have.
by sofladude77 on Aug 28, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but see, based on his skills, he's a bad 4th, good 5th
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's better
than the 4th and 5th on the Yankees.
by sofladude77 on Aug 28, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the Yanks probably higher.
He did pitch decent with the Rangers earlier in the season.
by sofladude77 on Aug 28, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually you're right.
I looked at the bottom row, 6.3 with NYY, 4.3 with TEX.
http://www.statcorner.com/pitcherSP.php?id=132260&team=NYA&year=2008&leag=MLB
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i suppose there is nothing wrong with having a "good 5th" as your 5th pitcher then, right?
by stpetelawyer on Aug 28, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
But when it comes down to who Price replaces…
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis is when Sonny moves to the pen
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love Sonny
and would rather the Rays trade Kazmir than see Sonny moved to the pen. at that point, it’s just a waste of resources.
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Kazmir means trading a piece of my soul.
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i apologize
pretend i typed “trade Davis/Shields/anyone but Kazmir”
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, unless you have better options
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont sleep on Mitch Talbot
mark it down, he will compete and possibly win the 5 spot next spring
by Dbullsfan on Aug 28, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not go crazy.
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sir sidney, yes, although it's close
Rasner has a much better tRA this year
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the difference between 2007 and 2008 ERA isn't all luck, only some -- the rest was the removal of bad luck
but yes, there’s a lot of grey area involved
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like good relief pitching that
can stop rallys and much better defense
by sofladude77 on Aug 28, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup -- so much more fun this year, no?
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell yeah
Web gems every nite and big strikeouts from Balfour when needed
by sofladude77 on Aug 28, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difference between 2007 and 2008
= Shawn Camp.
by Craig T on Aug 28, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shawn Camp is a good reliever when he has a good defense behind him.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Not when he had a WHIP over 2.0. That’s on him.
Of course he wasn’t the only reason for the difference from last year, but he wrecked many an 8th inning.
by Craig T on Aug 28, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Camp is a GB pitcher who relies heavily on his defense.
This is why his WHIP is so high, and how analyzing his WHIP in this circumstance is largely worthless.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
….he was walking guys and giving up a boatload of hits. How is that on the defense? What does it matter if he was a groundball pitcher? If you’re saying his defense let him down, plenty of runs would’ve been unearned. Last year his ERA was over 7. In short, he sucked.
by Craig T on Aug 28, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
giving up a boatload of hits. How is that on the defense?
Groundballs + bad infield defense = more grounders getting through holes for hits.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fielding is more than not making errors
you can get a bad jump
you can be slow
you can take a bad route
you can position yourself poorly
all of these things will result in not getting to as many batted balls as the typical fielder. none are counted as errors.
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
except how many of those hits were little dunky seeing eye singles that would’ve been scooped up by this year’s defense? Some? Fine. He still got hit hard. I don’t care if he’s a GBP and that’s why he walks alot of guys. You can’t afford to be walking guys in the 8th and 9th innings. He had the highest WHIP on the team out of the late inning guys. If you want to make a smoke and mirrors argument using BPIP or look at his tRA…. k, I’ll take your word for it.
by Craig T on Aug 28, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same LD% this year compared to last and about .100 points off of his BABIP.
So I would say more than a few hits.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good argument! I agree looki8ng at bettet statistics is more of a smoke and mirrors argument.
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His tRA is 3.3 this year.
WHIP is not a good metric to use either, it counts homeruns and singles as the same.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate that argument
OBP counts homers and singles the same too.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is...
WHIP is discarded as nearly worthless because of this flaw, yet OBP is counted as having some value despite that.
by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because OBP has some value.
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs