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8/28: TOR (68-64) at RAYS (80-51)

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Toronto Blue Jays @ Tampa Bay Rays


Toronto at RAYS

7:10; FSN Florida
RAYS RADIO/1250 AM

Pitching Matchup:


 IP tRA + K/9 BB/9 K/BB HR/9 OPS WHIP G/F P/IP
TOR RH J. Litsch
 128.0 4.89 97 4.64 1.69 2.75 1.20 .753 1.29 1.55 15.55
RAYS RH E. Jackson
 149.0 5.53 86 5.32 4.05 1.31 1.15 .766 1.44 0.99 16.50

GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Iwamura, 2b
Upton, cf
Pena, 1b
Floyd, dh
Aybar, 3b
Hinske, lf
Gross, rf
Riggans, c
Bartlett,ss

by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sux lose...

Lets add a game…

by td32 on Aug 28, 2008 5:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He didn't use saves! YAY

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Saves and Blown saves was a stat yesterday

for the starting pitchers.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mmm

I don’t usually use those statlines anyways. I prefer to create my own, but I was in a time crunch yesterday so I copped out.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What should we bitch about today?

The line-up? The attendance? Edwin Jackson? Lack of hustle?

by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes!

Tubby needs to suck it up and play. If he can’t play through cramping hammys, he’s pretty much useless.

by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fucking Navarro.

Be a team player. Goddammit I hate pieces of crap like that. You’re hurt and won’t play? Shit, what type of person doesn’t try to man through it?! YOU CAN’T PLAY 100% WHILE HURT? WHAT A QUITTER.

/Heater

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 5:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look at Merriman!

And that with 2 torn ligaments in his KNEE! Navi is a puss.

by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sooner

Someone’s gonna chop-block his ass and his season will be over. I don’t think he makes it past the 3rd quarter of game one.

by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This

I think he’s being an idiot and I’m pretty damned surprised the Chargers organization would let him do this.

by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it makes no sense

all of the doctors he visited told him to have surgery, a couple said it could be career threatening, and he could lose millions by just shifting his weight the wrong way. Could there be something we’re missing?

by Roc on Aug 28, 2008 5:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My guess is if Riggans got the PA of navi, je lapped

him as far as OPS goes

i know, it’s not based on that, still navi is very unproductive

by sternfan1 on Aug 28, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...

How do you “guess” that something happened and then go on to say that you know its not the case only a sentence later?

by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought Wookies were hardcore conservatives.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Castro's a role model too.

Either one, take your pick. I don’t care which.

by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

John Mccain is too busy eating applesauce and warm milk to care.

I won’t vote, but jeez, Mccain Vs. Obama is like Shit Vs. One of those duck on a string toys.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can't vote...

am I right?

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't vote anyway

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You misspelled Obama

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

....You changed the spelling of his name?

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sort of the problem.

Flashy speaker, empty message. The more substantive sources often are not as pretty.

Sort of like Obama and McCain!

by plasticman on Aug 28, 2008 5:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You obviously didn't read my comment.

“The Stupider the website”

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You think this looks 'pretty'?

This site is visually crude. A high-school preppie with an HTML book and MS Paint can put something better looking together. The appearance matches the message, absolute fucking garbage.

by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OMG PATRICK IS HERE!

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OMG

You’ve already replied to me at least once in this thread yet you choose to state the obvious here, well after that first comment!

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OMG PATRICK IS SNARKY

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OMG PATRICK IS HAIRY!

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did something better at 3 AM using xhtml and hand drawn stuff.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did it for Computer Apps class.

Don’t have it anymore.

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This will affect me too

but since I have mlb.tv now, I won’t have to choose.

by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear what you're saying.

But I just can’t watch archived games on MLB.tv. If the game has already been played and I know the score, I just can’t bring myself to watch it. That’s part of the reason I don’t watch the Olympics too much. I just hate tape delay.

Most likely I’ll use picture and picture with Obama’s audio on the small screen.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You could watch the Olympics live on the East Coast and internet.

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most events were not broadcast live during normal hours

And I’m not going to go on the internet to watch Synchronized Swimming.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 28, 2008 5:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Handball FTW

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...

actually I hate doing that too. I’m gonna have the speech on the TV and the game going on the computer, muted.

by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blame it on B.J. Upton

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Red Sox LOSE

Big man down, jump him

by sternfan1 on Aug 28, 2008 5:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bye bye.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Aug 28, 2008 5:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A more legitimate question.

I wonder what he means when he says “different market, drawing 2 mil + 10 years before that”? The Braves were awful for 6 consecutive years, that was the result of their drop. Now the Rays have 14 home games left and are 5k behind that average to this point. It’s mathematically impossible at this point for the Rays to reach a 26k seasonal average. I’d be more interested in knowing if he’s going to be satisfied or dissapointed with the final numbers if they stay the same or creep up slightly, and what he expects to see for next year.

I’m honestly concerned that if we’re looking at 21-22k long term, that this team won’t stay here for long.

by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 5:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t understand the response. Yes, we’re comparing different markets and times. Yes, the Braves did have over 2 mil. the year after they won the NL West pennant in 1982 and yes the Expos drew very well in the early 1980’s after being playoff contenders beginning in 1979 and Olympic Stadium was still state of the art.

So he’s not happy with attendance? He thinks it will be better next year?

Purveyor of inane douchebaggery and general snarkiness

by RATW on Aug 28, 2008 6:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, wOBA is different, it's like OPS, but better

you can have wOBA for pitchers.

tRA for hitters wouldn’t mean as much, because the assumption that htiters don’t control many things other than K/9, BB/9, and GB/LD?FB% doesn’t hold. Hitters DO show a wide range of BABIPs, HR/FB, etc.

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 5:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wOBA isn't tRA for hitters, no.

But it’s probably the most advanced offensive stat out there, no?

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 5:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, sure.

it’s linear weights, but in a rate form, which is nice.

for those unfamiliar, think of wOBA as OPS but with all hitting events weighted properly and on the OBP scale.

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 5:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wOBA for pitchers isn't as useful as for hitters

for the same reasons that OPS-against isn’t a great stat for pitchers — you’re holding them accountable for all hits, when fielding, luck, ballpark, etc. make an impact.

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 5:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, actually -- PrOPS (over at hardball times)

invented by a different guy. and while it has its uses, it suffers from the problems i listed above (some things that you don’t credit/blame to pitchers you SHOULD credit/blame to hitters.)

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 28, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stu needs to stick around for a GTD.

I can’t imagine how hard that would own.

by Vin on Aug 28, 2008 5:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Fucking shit! get a fucking hit!"

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"What an attention whore"

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 28, 2008 5:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can you give it to us so we can ask him for proof?

I promise I won’t try to sell him viagra or tell him that I am Nigerian Royalty and offer him a undeiably lucrative business proposal.

by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, Beckett's been scratched from his start

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 6:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeppers

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 6:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's just get these out of the way.

1. Shame on you all for not being at the game. You’re horrible fans. HOW DARE YOU?!

2. Ruggiano is the outfielder of the future. Waive CC. Now.

3. BOOOOOOO Upton.

4. Price needs to be starting. 6 pitcher rotation FTW

5. Seriously, why aren’t you guys at the game? Bad fans!! Bad!

Now, let’s make Litsch look bad in front of his friends and families. Last time he started in the Trop we shelled him. Go do it again.

by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just saw A. C. Slater on ESPN

Nevermind it was Carlos. He’s goin deep all night.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GLOVESKE

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

clearly it was a knob job

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to say

when riggins got hit, it did not sound like “chest”

by plasticman on Aug 28, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know its all a conspiracy to get the Sux in the playoffs right?

My cousins, girlfriends uncle heard it from a guy.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

reply button is a failure

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It sounded gross like if you have ever been near somebody that catches a ball in the face.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That sounds more like a loud crack, then a sharp breath.

If I remember correctly.

If you want results, press the red button. The rest are useless.

by Katie on Aug 28, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was coaching first in a softball game and one of my teammates got one right in the temple

thats kind of what Riggs sounded like, but his was more sickening.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah. Not a good sound.

I took a liner to the nose playing 3rd. I was more concerned with the blood than the sound at the time.

If you want results, press the red button. The rest are useless.

by Katie on Aug 28, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's no bleeding in baseball

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its a good thing I played softball then!

If you want results, press the red button. The rest are useless.

by Katie on Aug 28, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely

and thats a true hot corner only being like 70 feet from the plate

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I had a choice

I would probably pick the ball to the chest.

by kurby on Aug 28, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AKI KNOCK

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is an above average second baseman with a great attitude and work ethic

Aki = awesome

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like him!

I have just never seen him hit far
love his ethic and skill

by plasticman on Aug 28, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what i think is so funny

is that he always gets in the middle of the brawls
not because he did anything
but because the other team seems to get revenge on the rays through him

by plasticman on Aug 28, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice

i hope there’s a play that needs it, i’m interested to see how it goes down

by dropkicknu on Aug 28, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The occurences of these "boundary" calls seem to be pretty scarce.

It would definitely be nice to get some practice in before the playoffs.

by kurby on Aug 28, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've seen maybe 6-10 questionable HR calls in my life. Over 20 years of watching games

and highlights. I think a bigger deal is being made of it than it deserves. Now if anyone wants to list the pros and cons of Homefield advantage in the World Series going to whichever team of guys that could care less can win a meaningless game I’m ready for some debating.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

meh

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAHA

Totally on purpose

by kurby on Aug 28, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Edwin

dominating as soon as he can get in the stretch

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hahaha

Didn’t take long for Dwayne Statts to say the P word.

by sofladude77 on Aug 28, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I won't say that Edwin is a "good" major league starter

but I will say that he is certainly improved. I don’t believe that it is all luck that his numbers are better. Some luck? Probably. But he just looks like he has better command out there. Maybe he can improve again next year (whoever he may be pitching for).

by stpetelawyer on Aug 28, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His tRA is awful

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 28, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would it be a stretch to say

He seems to have improved his control by reducing his velocity? I seem to remember him regularly touching 97-98MPH on his fastball. Now it seems like he’s around 93-94 and only occasionally run it up when he feels he really needs to try to blow it by?

If so, I don’t see that as an improvement in skill as much as an improvement in approach.

by kericr on Aug 28, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just checking over his numbers

His FB is only sitting a tick below last year’s average (94.1 v. 93.8) and his strike percentage is barely better (60% last year v. 61% this year).

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He seems like a good guy.

As a fan I cheer for him, as an analyst I just don’t want him on my team.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs