Cheers and Jeers for Tampa Bay Fans.
We have been blasted on the national and local scene for the attendance at our American League best and first place Rays. While I am not absolving this area and its fans (there are attendance issues that remain problematic which I hope to address latter) I think the level of criticism is exaggerated, unwarranted and uninformed.
I am and have been a full season ticket holder who lives in Tampa. I have missed just 3 games (all 12:30 mid-week starts) this season at the Trop. I say this not for any kudos but simply to validate I am a firsthand witness to what’s been happening at the Trop since it was the former white elephant known as the Florida Suncoast Dome.
All I can tell you is that this year, this magical season, I have experienced such overwhelming pride and joy not only for the success of our exceptional team, but also for the fans and followers who have come out and cheered them on. The excitement and the glorious pandemonium that comes with the deafening raucous of a near capacity Rays-supporting crowd is priceless, and there have been more of those than ever before in the stadium’s history. This is one passionate and loud crowd
Since Stu et al arrived on the scene they have done a tremendous job in making the Trop a fan-friendly and inviting trip to the park. Remodeling the concourse, sprucing the field, installing a state of the art video/scoreboard and offering free parking led to a modest increase in attendance each of the first 2 years. But the construction job that really mattered was the one they did on the team itself and the result of that production has seen a dramatic increase in attendance.
Dramatic, isn’t that a little wrought with hyberbole? You tell me.
There’s no arguing that the crowds for the 3 LA Angels games and the 2 Toronto games have been horrendous. The Toronto series has been especially embarrassing. At least the Angels series had a legitimate excuse with Fay. I understand that school just started back and families have to get adjusted to new schedules, but 12 or 13 thousand for Toronto with a team in the heat of a pennant race is bad, plain and simple. But these games have been the exception not the rule.
Prior to the LA series the Rays were averaging 22,959 per game at the Trop. That’s nearly a 35% (33.8 to be precise) increase in attendance over last year and last year (at 17,148 per game) was our high-water mark in attendance for the millennium. Put another way, the attendance this year at Tropicana is 63% higher than what the Namoli era averaged over his last 4 years (14,104). Even with the drag of these past 5 games we’re still averaging 21,632 per game. That’s a 26% increase over last year and the highest increase in all of major league baseball. In fact, while attendance is down this year for the majority of teams (53%), Tampa Bay is one of only four teams which have seen an increase of at least 10%.
Make no mistake our percentage increases are attractive in part because the base numbers to which they’re compared were so woefully pathetic. We are still the 5th worst team in attendance and draw 34% less than MLB’s average attendance (32,647). IMO, that is a vestige of a pathetic losing record and the piss-poor management of the past regime. Most of our attendance is walk up, the season ticket base is gravely lacking. Watch for that to bump up dramatically next year and beyond.
Still, old parochial pouting and empty excuses are still too common. Too many Tampanians are acting like Tampons refusing to step out of their warm secure crevice. Listen, I will never judge a fan’s loyalty based on how many games they attend. You can be the world’s greatest fan who simply can’t get to the games for a wide variety of valid reasons, but still listen, watch and talk up the Rays. You are a valued and true fan and should stand up and be proud. But for those who call themselves fans, live in close proximity and have the ability and opportunity to come to the games but don’t and yet complain about everything, well….. I fart in your general direction.
Get over it. The stadium is in St Pete, not Tampa. It is no that far or difficult to get to from Tampa.
The fact remains, this team is more popular than ever and attendance is on the rise. Although the weekend series with Baltimore will compete with football, I’m confident you’ll see crowds more towards the norm. New York will draw and then its Boston and wild card contender Minnesota to finish the season’s home schedule. I’m confident will improve our average attendance.
The band-wagon is churning, even if it does take some 4 ½ hours to get here from downtown Tampa.
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The Braves went through this in 1991...
That was the yr they went from worst to first. They had many years of losing horribly prior to 1991. This isnt just a Tampa thing. Give it a few years to build up the season ticket holder base, and it will be much better….although I truly believe a stadium in Tampa would help as well.
by td32 on Aug 28, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the season ticket holders are the key
Which current season tickets holders arent going to resign for next year? few, if any. Then you add all the new season ticket holders next year and the year after. Its going to happen, just not over night. The fact is you just didnt have many Rays fans out there before this year. The number is growing and this team is the talk of the town. that was never the case before.
BOHICA
by Mr. Tonight TB on Aug 28, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tampanian Tampons
I will be using this all the time….and I thank you.
Mound Visit
by Mound Visit on Aug 28, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very very worthy of a Rec.
Level headed, experience based, and deals with the big problem I have with this issue:
The Apocalyptic nay-saying.
Thanks for writing it.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Top notch post (Rec'd)
Yet my simple mind thinks the best part was “…I fart in your general direction.”
by steve-o1285 on Aug 28, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You'd think we were the first team to experience this type of homestand
But we most certainly are not
For the umpteenth time, attendance figures don’t usually jump until the season after a playoff run.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 28, 2008 11:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What else are people going to hate on this team for?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The floors are very sticky.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Aug 29, 2008 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a baseball team, not a strip club
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Aug 29, 2008 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Not???
Oh crap, and all this time I’ve been sticking dollar bills in Aki’s stirrups.
by TampaMet on Aug 29, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
Purveyor of inane douchebaggery and general snarkiness
by RATW on Aug 29, 2008 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the big talk after the game(8/28) was the attendance again
(I know I posted this elsewhere, but I figured this was a more appropriate thread) Rich’s on-field interview with Riggans ended with Riggans making a plea for people to come out to support the team. I’m paraphrasing, but he commented on how they should be drawing more than 15,000 for the team that has been in first for 3/4 of the season. Rich asked if the team fed off the big crowds, and Riggans said they do. On the postgame show, there were a few callers that brought up the poor attendance,and Rich got on his soapbox and called out the transplants from NY, Bos, etc. to have pride in the team in the area where they now reside. They need to root for the Rays or go back to where they came from. Once I got home and flipped on Bay News 9, I got to hear more from Rock Riley and Roxanne Wilder on the subject and they showed a pre-game interview with Kaz where he called the turnout dissapointing, especially after coming back from a successful series in Chicago. Apparently other players like Floyd and Balfour stated the turnout is dissapointing and they supposedly also commented on how the team feeds off the crowd.
Rays fans or not, fans of baseball should be going to these games. I started going in 2005 after moving to the area, and my girlfriend and I made it to about 20-25 games at the Trop, and I was a friggin’ Red Sox fan. I was a fan of baseball first, though, and I wanted to see Major League baseball live. I didn’t care that I was watching the worst team in baseball, and I enjoyed myself everytime I went. I was one of those "I’m a Devil Rays fan except for when the Red Sox are in town" guys. By the end of 2005, I found it hard to not support the home team full time, and my Sox hat had become my dirty, stinkin’ yard hat. I replaced it with a few new Devil Rays hats, and I proudly wore them all the time. I have been a (Devil) Rays fan ever since. There are only 30 f’n teams in the whole country. We in this area and the areas surrounding the other 29 teams are privileged to have the opportunity to go to games. If you are a baseball fan, do yourself a favor and drag your ass out to the games. I’m not asking people to change their loyalties at this point. I’m asking people to come out and enjoy GOOD Major League baseball LIVE. We have millions of people in this region, yet apparently we only seem to have 12,000-40,000 baseball fans who enjoy watching live games on a regular basis. With the population we have in this region, I see no reason why this team should have less than 25,000/game in the stands. I understand that there are people living in caves that still haven’t caught on to the fact that this team is entertaining and is worth the trip to the Trop to see in person. I understand that the season ticket numbers are low for this year and that increased attendance doesn’t really occur until after a team starts winning. The team has been winning all season, and there’s no excuse for low attendance in the midst of the best Rays season ever in the toughtest division in baseball. Tickets are dirt cheap. Parking is cheap or free if you are resourceful. You can bring your own food. Blah, blah, blah. This has all been said before on this board, but I don’t know if it sinks in. People, spread the word to the non-believers. The team is great. The Trop is great. Baseball is great. It doesn’t matter that your team is not the Rays. Come out to the games!!! If you like baseball, you will not be disappointed.
by rayweaver on Aug 29, 2008 1:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Get out to the f#%#ing ballpark!!!!!
I’m a die hard Ray fan & it upsets me to no end to see these very low attendences. What the hell do you want Tampa? What the hell is it gonna take to get your sorry lazy asses out to the ballpark. I live 6 to 6 & a half hours away(Panama City Beach, FL) & I plan atleast a couple of major trips a year to go see the Rays play at the Trop, which usually amounts to about 10 games a year. Where are the fans? You people are going to lose your team if you people in the Tampa-St.Pete area don’t start showing up at the games on a regular basis. I know for a fact that if I lived in Tampa or St. Pete, I would be at almost every single home game. I know people have other interests & obligations, but give me a bleeping break! Your team is young, exciting, & in first place. The Rays have one hell of a product they are puting on the field & they still can’t get the fans on a consistant basis. It is a joke! It pains me to see it. You Ray fans don’t need a damn concert after every single damn game. The team’s play should sell itself! It is an absolute shame that the Rays can’t get people to come watch them play. It pisses me off beyond belief. Come on fans! Get off your dead asses & get to the damn ballpark & support your damn team!
by drrub on Aug 29, 2008 1:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes I feel like some Tampanians want to see the Rays fail in St. Pete
and do not want to support the team attendance wise by going to games. It’s like an I told you so, We are better than you attitude. Does anyone else feel like this is true?
by Sveet on Aug 29, 2008 8:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More trash talk about the Rays fans on XM175
Buck M. – “Everybody is enjoying the Rays except for the Rays fans.” Yet another dig at the region.
by rayweaver on Aug 29, 2008 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My point of view about all of the poor attendance talk in the media
Even though I would take offense when I would hear the media bash the fans in the bay area for not supporting the Rays in person, the way I look at it now is if the media keeps talking about the low attendance and we keep talking about it, it might actually motivate some people to get out to the ballpark. They might decide it’s time to check out the Rays in person. I say that any publicity on this topic is good publicity right now.
by rayweaver on Aug 29, 2008 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If they did fucking research maybe they wouldn't sound like shitheads most of the time.
Too much to ask, I know.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 29, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted this in the other thread, but I wanted to make sure people saw it since it took me a few minutes
Why move the stadium in Tampa?
The stadium is located in the densest and richest part of the area. Some statistics:
County: Population/ Population Density/ Per capita Income/ Income per square mile
Pinellas: 928,031/ 3,292/ $23,497/ $77,352,124
Hillsborough: 1,177,060/ 951/ $21,812/ $20,743,212
Now the surrounding counties:
Pasco: 462,715/ 464/ $18,439/ $8,555,696
Polk: 561,606/ 259/ $18,439/ $4,775,701
Sarasota: 325,957/ 570/ $28,326/ $16,145,820
Manatee: 315,108/ 357/$22,388/ $7,992,516
So, in essense if you move the stadium to the I4/fairground area, you lose the richer/more dense Sarasota and Manatee counties for the poorer more spread out counties. You also move further away from the densest richest part of the area (not just Pinellas county, also South Tampa). It just doesn’t make sense.
by rglass44 on Aug 29, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What? but this totally goes against the argument?
That all the people with money live in Hillsborough county and the only people who live in Pinellas are poverty-stricken octogenarians.
by Sveet on Aug 29, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's per capita
What the Rays need are absolute numbers.
by zeng8r on Aug 29, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next year is the measuring stick
I think we will see a big boost in season ticket sales in 2009, especially if we make some noise in the 2008 playoffs. That should get the entire area excited.
If the fans don’t come out in 2009, then they probably never will. And Stu will have to make a decision which nobody could reasonably blame him for.
by RayFanNY on Aug 29, 2008 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Nationals were the first team to move in over 30 years
It won’t happen anytime soon. There are no markets that have the TV market to take a team. They’d also have to build a stadium which is highly unlikely.
by rglass44 on Aug 29, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
drive time
for me its not too bad being from around Manatee/Sarasota area. with i-75.
by Underdogs on Aug 30, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I drive south on I75
and then take I275 to St. Pete. 45 miles in 30 minutes just about every time.
by rayweaver on Aug 30, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call BS.
No offense, but you’d have to average 90 mph in 5-6 pm traffic. Doesn’t seem possible.
by Craig T on Aug 31, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense, but have you made the trip?
There is hardly any traffic(weekdays or weekend) from Exit 246 down to 228 (I think) on I75. The same goes for I275 over the Skyway and into St. Pete. Call BS all you want. Make the trip and see for yourself. Second tip for infrequent game attendees that are planning to for the upcoming NY or Bos series. When taking I275 from the south, take Exit 22 on I275 to I175. When you see the two exit lanes to the Trop on the right, the left lane is always backed up. Get in the right lane and go by all the morons. Both lanes are left turning lanes that lead to the Trop, but most people stay in the left lane, not knowing any better. It’ll probably save you 10-20mins if the left lane is really back up. Third tip on big game days, park in the AAA lot. The fees are the same as the Trop. The four person=free parking deal goes as well, but you may have to be a AAA member. I’m not sure since I only go with my wife. You get out ahead of the heavy traffic within 5 minutes.
by rayweaver on Aug 31, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, so maybe it's a little closer to 40 minutes.
I don’t pay close attention, but we probably average about 70mph for the trip…80mph on I75, and then it varies on I275 know roughly when I leave and when I get there. There are no stopwatches involved.
by rayweaver on Aug 31, 2008 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Out of Town Ray
The attendence has been disapointing of course, but I do take pride in the fact that the fans that do go to games are some of the best and loudest fans in the game. Originally from St. Pete, this season I have moved from NYC to San Fran and have made it to six Rays games: 3 at the Trop, 2 at Yankee Stadium, and 1 in Oakland. I have met a lot of people everywhere rooting for the Rays (America loves the underdog after all), but it always comes back to how poor the attendence is, or how bad the stadium is. I always try to defend it. The games at the Trop this season were great, lots of energy and very loud. At the out of town games, there were actually other Rays fans, loud and proud. It’s catching on, it should be faster, but it’s catching on at least. The Rays are starting to have a really good core fanbase, and no matter how this season ends, it should be much better next year. I really wish I could be back in St. Pete, going to every game…..but with a little luck it will be the Rays vs. Angels in a AL championship match-up and I will be there! Go Rays!
by free hotdogs on Sep 1, 2008 2:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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