8/29: BAL (63-70) at RAYS (81-51)
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 29, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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PrintBaltimore Orioles at Tampa Bay Rays, Aug 29, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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Pitching Matchup:
| IP | tRA | + | K/9 | BB/9 | K/BB | HR/9 | OPS | WHIP | G/F | P/IP | ||
| BAL | RH J. Guthrie |
183.2 | 4.52 | 105 | 5.73 | 2.50 | 2.29 | 1.08 | .669 | 1.17 | 1.16 | 15.85 |
| RAYS | LH S. Kazmir |
121.0 | 4.02 | 118 | 9.97 | 3.87 | 2.58 | 1.04 | .698 | 1.23 | 0.62 | 17.93 |
GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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MVP: Kaz
because if not he may have to be considered the 4th best starter right now on the team given the way Garza and Jackson have pitched over the last month
How we roll
Iwamura, 2b
Upton, cf
Pena, 1b
Floyd, dh
Aybar, 3b
Hinske, lf
Zobrist, ss
Gross, rf
Riggans, c
Kazmir, p
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I love Kazmir
I just wish he would quit thinking so much. He has reat stuff, and the defense is reat, just throw strikes.
He throws strikes
They keep getting fouled off. That’s why his pitch count has been going nuts as of late.
Last outing was a good start, 6 innings and 108 pitches last outing is an improvement over what we’ve seen as of late, even if he got touched up for a couple of homers.
As long as he's abandoned his slider, I doubt we see that again this year.
I don’t know if he’s trying to do something to preserve his arm and stay healthy or if he still doesn’t have location for it or what, but if he’s throwing fastballs 85% of the time from now on, we might as well just run Balfour out to start games.
As for Bartlett, manager Joe Maddon said the shortstop isn’t hurt, he just wanted to give him a day off this weekend, and would rather have it against the RHP Jeremy Guthrie than the two left-handers the Orioles will throw the next two days; Bartlett will be back in the lineup Saturday, when Orioles LHP Chris Waters will start in replace of RHP Daniel Cabrera.
Fun.
WTF Happened to fanshots????
They’re not on the main page!!! I want to start a discussion but fear the wrath of Patrick!!! What do I do?!?!?!?!
Start the discussion anyway
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...I don't have anything to talk about.
It was just a device to introduce the irony of Pat’s miraculous return as FanShot Nazi and the disappearance of FanShots.
This is a coincidence?
right? RIGHT?!?!
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I'm sure it's nothing
nothing at all…
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Nobody reads fanshots.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
That's what the government wants you to believe
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Kaz had better pitch a gem
i benched Markakis and Huff from my fantasy teamjust so Kaz can dominate with a clear conscious
How do I use a proxy
I am in TEX, but the O’s are blacked out for me ‘cause my account’s in DC. Help.
In case you havent watched ESPN in the last 48 hours
The have constantly played an interview with Kaz where he complains a little too much for my taste about attendance
Jesus Kaz, effiency please
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I’m worried about Staats, it’s like he had a stroke in May or something. Keeps forgetting the count, going into HR calls on flyouts, etc. far more than previous years. Then again, in previous years he probably just played pre-recorded comments on a loop while he slept in the press box.
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Aubrey Huff grounds out to first
stop us if you’ve heard this one before…
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AKI-KNOCK
Now, do something with it
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ghei
C’mon Hinske. Pretend they’re the Blue Jays!
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God damnit, Hinske
How the fuck did we score only once in that inning?
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Sounds fuckin' clutch to me
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Would be nice to see
Let’s hope
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huh
No. 2 overall pick Eric Hosmer has been pull out of today’s game with Idaho Falls of the Pioneer League. This happened at the commissioner’s request, and is obviously related to the grievance filed by the union related to the Pedro Alvarez deal, and the Pirates‘ official response, which noted that Hosmer’s deal with the Royals came into the commissioner’s office even later than Alvarez’ did.
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Josh Beckett: placed on the DL retroactive to Aug. 18
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HAHAHA GUTHRIE HAS AWESOME CONTROL
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Same difference in that regard
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Absolutely should not be swinging in that instance
wait for Guthrie to show he can throw a few strikes first. Stupid Aybar.
Missed the first 1.5 innings, how did Kid K look?
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
That wasn't smart, Willy
Now, more of what Kaz did last inning
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Yikes
Kaz got away with one there
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Sometimes I think Kaz should walk guys
just to stop the pitch count from going too high!
he seems pitch foul balls alot
If by walking them, you mean beaning them
I’m all in agreement for punishing a batter for working the count long enough.
I missed the racist K, didn't I?
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I'll be happy with 6 IP
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I love Pena's spirit
Remember that double, where he got to second and went nuts? I think it was an angels game. I just saw him pumping up kaz, which is why I mention it.
They couldn't do this when they were in Toronto.
It’d be nice, but it ain’t gonna happen. Both those teams are dead in the water anyway.
but thats not the point
I want the Yankees in 4th
Hank Steinbrenner, the genius that he is deserves 4th
Remember when the Red Sox had their problem of too many outfielders
earlier in the year? Watching the game and now it’s Bay, Ellsbury, and fucking Mark Kotsay playing out there. What the hell happened the past few months?
We are fans of a team that also had a "glut of outfielders"
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But the Rays actually have a useful "glut"
Players filling in during injuries. The Sox just make trades whenever someone gets injured or unhappy.
Thank you, Iwamura-san
Christ, Kaz. 64 pitches through 3?
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I don't know what it is
The focus thing was a joke. I still suspect that he’s leaning way too hard on his fastball.
The Yankees are going to look so different next year
I’m really excited to see what moves they are going to make with all the money they hopefully should be saving, unless they pick up dumbass options
And I guess "excited" is a strong word
I still hate the Yankees, just interested to see what they’ll do
The Yankees need to seriously consider doing everything they can to rebuild their farm system
Their biggest problem is that they have absolutely zero depth anywhere. No pitching, no fielders, nothing in their farm system.
their biggest problem is they can't evaluate talent
Melky as a full-timer on a team witha $200MM payroll? Abreu in the outfield? Signing Posada to an extension? Sticking with Jose Molina as their starting catcher for so long?
when you have a HUGE payroll, overpaying for players isn't necessarily a bad thing
it’s the fact that they’ve spent money on overrated players — nobody could guess Pavano would have been struck by lightening four times, but it was obvious he only had one good year before coming to NY.
and kericr made a good poing about depth. spend some money on a decent fourth outfielder or a sixth guy for the rotation, etc.
They're in such a horribly bad way now
Seriously, if they attempted to fill all their gaps in FA, including building their depth, I’d guess their payroll would be close to 300 million. Sometimes, you just gotta fold your hand. The Yankees are a team that needs to consider rebuilding this time, not reloading.
well, they've got a lot coming off the books right now
so if they choose to spend wisely, it will make a difference. you can build the farm system and spend money at the same time.
Three big FA pitchers
CC, Sheets, and someone else, can’t remember.
How many of them aren’t Boras clients? If you wanna spend smart, you can’t spend on Boras players.
they will bring back Mussina and Pettite I assume
and try to replace Giambi with Tex
and who else is off the books? I know it’s a lot.
Don't expose our ignorance.
As if it was a secret.
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Is Pavano pitching the most expensive innings in baseball history?
That’ll be something fun to look up. Around 40 mil for just a handful of starts
Gotta be a good race between Pavano and Hampton.
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Crunched the numbers for 2005-2008
since they’re pretty comparable between those years.
Mike Hampton is making $55mil of those years with a total of 109 IP thusfar for $509k per inning.
Carl Pavano is making $40mil with 116 IP thusfar for $345k per innning.
Those numbers will drop throughout the end of this year, but still a ridiculous amount to pay per inning and should hopefully (along with Zito) serve as a warning story against long, expensive pitchers’ contracts.
We should sign them!!!
Juan Guzman: 1.2 IP = $12 mil
Wilson Alvarez: 377.2 IP = $35 mil.
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like i mentioned with the yankees before, the contract isn't the biggest problem
it’s that those three pitchers weren’t all that spectacular. Hampton’s FIPs before signing with Colorado were around 3.85 — good, but not as good as his ERA suggested. Zito hadn’t been in Cy Young form for a number of years and his tRA’s were in the high 4.00s for many years. Pavan had ONE good year and a bunch of short or bad ones.
yeah, he's gone -- awful fielder and the Yankees already have a ton of DH options
Matsui really should be DH, but that might have to fall to Posada. Tex is actually a pretty decent signing, considering his nifty glove. If Posada DHs, that’s it other than pitching. If Posada does not DH, then Matsui does and they can add a good OF — but there aren’t really any on the FA market
The Rays love waiting until 2 outs to get started
it’s aggravating, and probably annoys the shit out of opposing pitchers
I've already gone over why IE is my browser of choice.
This site is the only one I frequent that also has problems in IE.
You should.
Firefox cannot stream audio and video, it requires the entire file to be cashed before it will trigger playback.
This is a little more of a programmer question
I couldn’t tell you for sure, but my guess would probably be due to how IE integrates into windows; IE in addition to being a web browser, also acts as the OS file browser, preventing you from ever having multiple versions of IE on a windows OS system. You an install multiple versions of FF without a problem.
FF is the better browser, I’ll never debate that. It’s just not a better browser for me.
Was that on paper?
Its supposed to be easier on paper… Not that I’m trying to bring you down. I’m just trying to make myself look better.
Anyway, I took it monday and got a 90. the next highest score was like a 72…
It was on paper and it was years ago.
A 90 is damn good to my knowledge. A number that high is supposedly supposed to be good enough to get looked at for MI.
I haven't met with a career counselor yet
I was DQ’d for having a high heart rate and have to get a waiver. (Really stupid shit). But everyone was making a big deal out of it. Apparently I can have any job in the Army I want. Its pretty damned cool.
I used IE until about 2005
when my compsci prof for my Javascript class said he was testing all of our websites in Mozilla. I think he even referred to IE as “Internet Exploder”. He was kinda of jackass, but I just got so used to the format I haven’t switched back.
He did that with good reason.
IE 6 (the latest IE in 2005) is absolutely horrible to program Javascript in. IE 7 is light years ahead but still pales in comparison to Firefox. Trying to learn Javascript AND code in compliance with IE at the same time is overwhelmingly difficult. You can learn correct JS first then go back and learn all the hacks for IE later.
Yeah, that was what we eventually figured out.
That prof sure was a jackass though. He had a website on the school hosting where he referred to himself as Sting (couldn’t tell if it was the wrestler or the singer) and had a bunch of pictures of him dressed up in armor swordfighting like a big fat sweaty knight. We also found out from that site that he was dating an extremely ugly student.
I am aware of the phenomenon.
Back around 2001-2002 when I was a Senior in highschool, there used to be a group that would meet every once in a while off Fletcher Ave. in Tampa to dress up like knights and pound on each other. I always used to drive past it and go “WTF?” until someone brought it up in class and a classmate explained what was happening. I think he was made fun of for knowing.
Tomorrow is "We the Kings"
some local band. Do they have someone tonight? I know it was the Baseball Prospectus meeting before the game.
I still think we could use a better leadoff guy
but I’d really like to see Aki signed to an extension.
he's a solid player and worth it at the right price
but i’m guessing he’ll get more cash from another team than we should pay him
it's fun to look through the AVGs of today's lineup -- ugly
and then look at their OBPs — quite good
man Cliff is gonna need some vicodin for those knees
but 2 doubles, a walk and 3 rbi = fucking awesome
If anybody's interested a did a comparison above
of $$$$/Inning for Pavano v. Hampton over the past 4 years. Assuming both of them break or tear or blowout something soon (a fair assumption), the Braves are paying $509k per IP over the past four years, while the Yankees are paying a frugal $345k per IP over the same timespan. Obviously both of those numbers will drop through the end of the year, but not too dramatically. And we call the Yankees mindless spenders…
How about Juan Guzman?
The Devil Rays signed him to a 2-year $12 million contract and he pitched exactly 1 1/3 inning for them before blowing out his arm. That’s like $7.2 million per inning pitched.
Yes I realized shortly after I started looking through the stats
that there would be a few cases like that which would blow Pavano and Hampton out of the water. In the end however I think Pavano’s contract is more a kick in the balls than Hampton’s. Hampton’s contract was a little longer so the Braves at least got some quality pitching for like 2 years before he got hurt. Pavano’s been hurt since the first year of his contract.
JESUS!!! FUCK YEAH!!!!
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I was at the game
After Gross hits the HR, I go crazy…then I think, “crap”…and go crazy some more.
by steve-o1285 on Aug 29, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Gabe Gross everyone!!
We have a winning season in sight, gentlemen!
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You suck, Riggans
You didn’t score this inning
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This game is a shitshow
someone get a handle on that catcher before he makes more of an ass of himself
Ramon Hernandez finally snaps
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I dunno
I’m just going by the GDT and Gameday
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He started bitching about a ball that he thought was a strike
The ump told him to throw the ball back to the pitcher, and he snapped. Started screaming at the umpire and got tossed. He dumped his glove and mask on home plate and continued to yell and scream as he walked off.
by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 29, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ump has had a tight zone all night, then a pitch he thought Aki swung at...
Ump told him to get the ball back to the pitcher, and he didnt appreciate it.
he threw the helmet towards the umpire
if it hit him, we wouldnt be seeing him again in this series.
Kaz just needs to get through this inning
and hope the best bullpen in baseball doesnt give up 10-0 lead to get all the SP’s to 10+ wins
Who woulda thunk...
…If you drafted the entire Rays rotation for your fantasy baseball team, you should be blowing out all of your opponents in pitching stats.
TB's bullpen is great
but its not the best. Not even the best in AL. The lowly jays top TB’s bullpen in every meaningful stat but saves, and the phillies bullpen is better than TB’s in every aspect. But a good bullpen none the less.
by HanleysHitters on Aug 29, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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Apparently the only thing the Rays need to do to get Kaz to have efficient innings
Is to spot him a shit-ton of runs.
I loved reading the comments from Sawx fans on the ESPN articles
when CC, Longo, and Percival got hurt. Each article had comments about how brave the Rays were and how well they did throughout the year, but “this” was going to be the injury that finally did them in because they couldn’t hold back the surging Red Sox without their stars. It’s nice to see how the backups can really step in and even carry some of these games for the team.
And in truth, I actually hated reading the comments
and kinda chuckled when they said we couldn’t hold on without Percy.
We've really gotten lucky that we have this kind of Depth
Hinske actually looks like a capable outfielder, and we had no idea about Aybar. Percival isn’t that big of a loss because the rest of the bullpen has been extremely impressive.
Yeah, I almost
wonder if we’re better off not going back to the same line up we had before the injuries.
Our hitting is better, right?
I think Aybar and Zobrist are proving that they can be everyday players
on another team. Hinske’s showing that he should be paid more than $800k. Floyd is too old to really help his future, but he’s done enough in his career.
I have visions of Benzo in a Cards uni. Or I’ve been sniffing too much glue.
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Imagine if Carlos Pena had discovered his visions were the result
of too much glue sniffing. Where would we be then? You better call Maddon and tell him that you don’t believe BenZo is still a Ray.
they've contributed good things
but also a lot of bad things. seasonal lines before tonight:
Aybar: .247 .318 .414
Zobrist: .229 .299 .412
zobrist has done basically what gomes did (although he can play important positions (poorly))
Gomes ’08: .182 .289 .392
Guys, the AL belonging Orioles are out of position players
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
Heath Rollins is pitching well in AA again
God we are a scary team. So many guys haven’t even reached the majors yet and we have the best record in the AL
He's just biding his time, working his way up
until he can get on the team with Longoria, and bean him in his sleep.
I think I confused him with the former Yankee that hit Longoria in Spring Training
still kinda funny to think about though
JUUUUUUUUUUUUUIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEE
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
Less clinton, more lattes.
Mccain would be like that, except he’d be the creepy uncle to his VP, and he’d call putin Vietnamese swine before passing out in his warm milk and applesauce.
God I hate politics.
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
Old Man Winter + Hot For Teacher = Not a Presidential Ticket
If McCain wanted to pick a chick, he could have just picked Charlie Crist.
by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 29, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to get Kalas to take a picture with me of him doing the shocker.
College kids just love that shit.
I've seen Kalas at the Trop around my section a few times
And this is seriously what he does for about half the game. People love him, and he’s more approachable than generic blond from whatever network.
One UTIII and one Halo match later and it's still 10-0
Fucking awesome
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Kalas is Mayor McCheese of Tropicana Field?
Is that what Staats said? I could have misunderstood due to his drunken slurred speech.
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Ball flip...
… Trembley just let himself get pwned by not stopping him and making him hand him the ball. He didn’t know what to do.
Bossman!!
THE SLAUGHTER CONTINUES
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I caught the first season On Demand a few years ago
and after introducing it to my college friends, was forced to watch the entire season maybe 7 times in 2 months. Luckily it’s one of the only shows I know that just keeps getting funnier every time you see it.
I watch it sometimes when nothing else is on
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
Pena!!
MORE GAMES LIKE THIS
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I was wondering when they were going to start playing that
“Ole ole ole ole” music for Pena. Fans have been chanting it for a while just because he’s Latino. I bet he doesn’t even like soccer and wishes people would stop
WTF AYBAR?!?! YOU SUCK!!!!
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SaberToothedPie
I have no idea why you hid the thread about no homo. Nothing offensive at all in there.
Sooooooo
We’re seeing Hammel tonight I suppose
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since we dont have enough stud starters
it is nice to see Health Rollins currently at 5IP 0ER…..ERA is exactly 3.00 so far
God damnit, Salas
You asshole. You just cost us a shutout
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And Salas just turned from one of the most loved to one of the most hated relievers
in just one pitch. Bravo.
Sarcasm about the lost shutout
but damn, c’mon Salas
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Damnit Salas
Don’t turn into Glover
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It's already obvious that Salas isn't being trusted with anything without even being given a chance.
So far, he's not making the most of the chances he gets
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It makes me think that they knew all along that Salas wasn't quite ready.
I don’t remember what he looked like last year to be honest, but he looks out of shape physically right now. Not that it always means something.
I'm wondering if something's wrong with the site.
Fanshots were gone, then back, then gone again.
I commented about a missing thread, thought it was hidden. SBP says it’s not. I change browsers and half the thread reappears. Something’s up.
Other sub-threads are missing too.
STP gone wild.
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Anyway, the guy who responeded about Reich Raccoon
That was also mine.
And I’ve already used my Holocaust joke tonight, so I can’t repost it.
I'm glad we're going against a lefty tomorrow.
Hinske, Floyd, and Zobrist have got to be getting tired.
BoSox thumped the ChiSox tonight.
I really wish that Boston would get swept. Just one series is enough for me.
Sounds like something that we might have to do ourselves...
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As long as we take at least 3
I’ll take it
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even if we go 1-2 in both series
Our lead only drops by two.
I’m not too worried about facing Boston…
I'd just like a couple extra games up before we face Boston
Makes everything feel more comfortable that way.
Now I'm not joking
Don’t turn into Glover, Salas. Seroiusly.
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I'd like to see fewer TV games next year
In favor of all of them being Hi-Def.
Plus, it might boost attendance.
Wonder where the economical sweet spot is between these two.
Salas has never been impressive in the majors
He has serious command issues within the strike zone and his fastball isn’t what it was billed to be.
www.raysbb.com
Yes, we really do have fans.
The fact that I can no longer see the entire subthread to this message pisses me off.
I’m done tonight. Get someone to fix the damn site. Or the databases. Or whatever it is. Bullshit.
So he's above average
and better than Edwin Jackson?
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Does this site have issues
Or is it just me? I don’t think it can be an SBNation thing because CamdenChat is fine but my computer might just be screwing up on this page, a ton of comments aren’t loading.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
Yeah my bad
I just read that conversation that you had above.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
This is why RJ can't go to games.
This, plus he hates the Rays.
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by the way
all our SP’s have at least 10. Everyone but Kazmir has 11+
Awesome.
Tomorrow Sonny tries to tie the franchise record.
WINNING SEASON!!
FUCK YEAH!!!
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and since someone has to
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