Recap
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 3, 2008 5:36 PM EDT
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PrintShawn Riggans at-bat came far too close to being a tragedy. Thankfully he seemed okay jogging in for the winning run. Unfortunately we may see two DL trips coming Joe Maddon said both were fine in the post-game interview, but we may also see Rocco Baldelli return tomorrow against a lefty.
Oh and B.J. Upton is damn awesome.
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He scored the winning run but can we DFA Aybar and bring up Guzman
along with Baldelli (Gomes) and Brignac/Jaso (DL guys)
If anybody
Bartlett should be replaced by Zobrist
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
I didn't understand why we went with Zobrist the first time and I wouldn't this time either
Zobrist is hitting .230 in the majors and Brignac is significantly better defensively.
Did Brignac even get a hit last time he was up?
And Zobrist got some clutch homers last time up too.
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
no he didn't but we have gotten this far on defense, why not go with the better guy defensively
If Zobrist were hitting .280+ it would be maybe a different story.
I hope you aren't basing anything on those numbers...
Zobrist has 74 at-bats. You know what the difference between a .230 and .280 hitter is in 74 at bats? Three hits or one more hit every five games. I wouldn’t put too much faith in that.
brignac > zobrist offensively (slightly at this point)
brignac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zobrist defensively
I know more about Zobrist in the year and 1/2 I've seen him in Durham
I will be shocked if he is ever more than a utility guy
Which at this point is what the Rays need
Today matters, not next year.
You don't bring up a minor league player who clearly isn't ready.
That’s the argument. He doesn’t need to come up when he has plenty of work to do at AAA. He isn’t a large enough improvement over Zobrist (I think less than zero) to have priority.
Maddon just said Barty and Riggans are going to be fine in the post-game i think.
Can i get further confirmation that someone else heard that?
9 = 8
Hate to say it but at some point the baseball gods were going to get us for our use of the DL
for Percy, Reyes, and Glover
ya i believe he had the record for most game pitched without a decision, like 135 or something
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08! fiddler cat=best way to show your excitement middle name lamar=success, last name lamar=fail, sorry chuck! pause not!
Hey Percival, I've got great news!
You’ve been promoted to 6th inning duty! It’s a big job but we think you are up to it. Congrats!
this is OT but the Princeton Beckham's have been postponed 3 straight days
That probably means 6 games in the next 3 days
Were you guys watching Upton in the 8th?
I’m tired of people making excuses for him. Crucial moment in the game and he decides to JOG around the bases. He just doesn’t care.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 3, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
the way he half-assed that HR for the lead
or his “excuse me” ground rule double earlier.
We should just DFA him
That double should have been a triple
too. But instead he just stopped half way to 3rd and jog back. Lazy bum.
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Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Aug 3, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But SS Jason Bartlett, who left the game in the 10th after a ball struck his right index finger on a failed bunt attempt, said X-rays were negative for a fracture. Though his finger was taped up, manager Joe Maddon said he doesn’t anticipate a disabled list stay for Bartlett.On the next pitch, backup catcher Shawn Riggans was struck in the chest by a pitch from Fernando Rodney. Riggans was tended to for several minutes by Rays medical personnel, but stayed in the game and scored the winning run
Riggans said afterward he was fine, he just lost his breath for a moment. Though it was definitely a scare, “there was no way I was coming out of the game.”.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080803&content_id=3249792&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
thank god barty didnt break his finger! since he has been back the rays have played better since barty has been back
longo=ROY. friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Rays=WS champs 08! fiddler cat=best way to show your excitement middle name lamar=success, last name lamar=fail, sorry chuck! pause not!
The sad thing is
that parody and satire are no longer possible because no matter how outrageous the statement, enough people actually say things like that so it seems serious.
It is virtually impossible to exaggerate or caricature.
Sad but True
I enjoy the fact that many new fans have come to the table, but it definitely lowers the collective baseball IQ. My brother-in-law went to grab us a few beers at the Brewhouse during Friday’s game. He came back shaking his head, explaining that some guy in line told him the following: “What we NEED to do is get rid of Upton and that Howell guy!”
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 3, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear all this talk of
BJ being lazy and we should get rid of him. I want to punch them.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
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uppercut!
No kidding. After somebody for Det doubled off the wall in CF today, I heard a guy behind me tell his buddy that Upton is “a lazy ass” and they should “sit his ass on the bench”. wtf, he played the ball perfectly on the carom and thought about taking a shot at second, but bobbled it slightly and made the safe throw to 3rd instead (on a rope from the warning track, I might add). There was nothing any Hall of Famer could have done better, yet there was some moron talking crap about BJ.
It’s a couple of local sports radio goobers driving this perception, and it’s not only baseless but detrimental to the team. BJ hasn’t signed an extention and the continued unfair scapegoating won’t help matters.
I really don't have any.
If you do please don’t hesitate to email me. The plan is for folks to take this and email the collective folks who state ignorant comments about him.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 3, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Email me names + what they've said
Is what I meant.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 3, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say Duemig
"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson
Slogan Suggestions?
Im never good with this sort of thing, but i’ll go ahead and get the ball rolling:
‘Scapegoating is Lazy.’
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 3, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, he's one
Also JP Peterson on 1010. I heard about Duemig 2nd hand so I don’t know exactly what he said. However, I myself heard JP going on and on one day last week about BJ needing to ride the pine to ge thim to work harder, and speculating that perhaps he’s lollygagging because he’s jealous of Longo. Just ridiculous stuff, imo, with no basis in actual knowledge or observation.
I actually used to like Peterson, but he’s gotten a bit big-headed and (yes) lazy himself since changing stations.
I heard what he said on Friday
He made the association with him, Demlon Young, and Elijah Dukes (which I have done). He cited his injury as a possible reason (which I have done). He’s called him lazy (which I have done). He ignored his stats (which I never, ever do).
It’s hard for me to say that the guy is a bum when he produces results. The fact remains that as much as we wish BJ would start hitting homers, and I still wonder if his shoulder is bothering him, with the exception of last year, he wasn’t known as a home-run hitter. He didn’t hit a lot of them in the minors, he didn’t hit a lot of them in the majors other than last year, and I no longer feel I’m being reasonable by expecting him to hit a lot of them now.
I think that last year was an anomaly and that the Rays came in unprepared thinking he’d be capable of hitting 30HR over a full season.
is this true?
“It’s a couple of local sports radio goobers driving this perception”—if so, can we start a pro-truth campaign?
We're going to need an official name for this
Something like State the Truth 08 or You Gotta be Down to Get Up(ton). I’m not feeling very clever, but I’ll see what I can put together to contribute tomorrow.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
Thoughts from game.
BJ seems to be heating up. The last two days the ball has been flying off his bat. He is hitting it with that bat speed again. I am expecting things from him.
Good to hear Barty and Riggy ok. Bartlett is so great defensively we need him. Percy needs to not go over an inning like someone said.
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Percy needs to not pitch with less than a two-run lead
I’m fine with two-run saves (for now). But he’s not the bullpen ace and he doesn’t have a claim on being any higher than third on the ladder (and Wheeler has something to say about that). So in the really important situations, it HAS to be Balfour for Howell, or else we’re going to see more situations like tonight.
Imagine if the Rays lost this game. How much more pissed would we be at Percy? We’d lynch him.
Unfortunately
I doubt Maddon is going to buck convention. What you describe (and what I’d favor as well) is a ‘closer by committee’, which is still frowned upon.
I think what its going to take to buck the mold is for a group of young relief pitchers to advance through an organization at one time, and have sustained success in mixed usage situations (ala Dibble, Charlton, and Myers, but for a longer run). Please Billy Beane, show them the way!
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 3, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh, i know it's not going to happen.
too bad. i guess i’d rather have howell or balfour as “the closer” even though they’d be wasted in some big-lead saves.
Agreed about Beej
Its nice to see him hitting with his hips again. I actually first noticed a difference in BP on Friday. He was making an obvious effort to pull. In fact, he didnt hit a single ball the other way his last few rounds, a marked change. The results were pleasing (for BP) as hit 4-5. in excess of 400 feet.
Even if he doesn’t continue to hit for power, I applaud his change in approach, as the opposition is definitely cheating him. I remember at several points this season seeing outfielders treat him as less likely to go to left than CC or Pena.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 3, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting stuff...
do you watch BP frequently? ever challenged yourself to write down these types of observations that day and see if hitters respond in their production over the next week or two?
Oh yeah
I watch BP every game I attend. It’s my favorite part of the ballpark experience, as it’s interactive, and you get a better feel for what the players are like IRL.
I’ve never thought of it viewing it in the way you describe, as the players themselves typically dismiss it as nothing more than ‘stretching out’. I just thought this was interesting because it wasn’t so much the results that got my notice, but the complete change in approach.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 3, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, and the change in approach is HUGE compared to results
i’m as big a fan of stats as anyone, but there sure as hell
next time you notice weird/different things during BP, please share. even if you don’t have any explanations or predictions, it’d be cool to hear about some player taking everything the opposite way one day when they usually try to hit grounders to the left side.
to finish that first paragraph...
i’m as big a fan of stats as anyone, but there sure as hell is a place for scouting when there’s a lack of data or for short term changes
For all the buildup he has gotten Rocco freaking
Baldelli better pitch 4 no-hitters in a row, hit 49 homers in 2 games, and steal home 29 times.
I was around when he was playing and he was okay, the Rays sucked back then, but he was nothing special.
You seriously better not be a Gator fan.
I’m one, and I don’t need an idiot in our fanbase.
by Cory Alexander on Aug 3, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I second this sentiment
(Set-up for punchline notwithstanding)
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 3, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Noles fan here lol ...
Trust me if you consider that an idiotic statement from a gator fan, you have more than one idiot in Gator nation lol. Should I bring up www.fireronzook.com lol. Fired Zook and he went out and beat the Noles something Spurrier could hardly do. But I will admit it is something most everyone can do now. As a Noles fan I will shut up and sheepishly watch the games and try not to stroke out when my blood pressure boils when you cant hit a 10 and out route five plays in a row. /end rant.
by PewterPirate55 on Aug 3, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
On his third try
Meyer on the other hand is 3-3 against FSU. And it wasn’t just the website or his lack of success against FSU that got him fired. He went a combined 3-8 against UM, FSU, LSU, and UT, always found a way to lose at least one game that should have been a ‘gimme’ against SEC west opponents, and never won a bowl game.
Zook is a superb recruiter, seemed to get along very well with his players, and always did a wonderful job in scripting the firts 15 or so plays for the offense. But he never seemed to make any halftime adjustments, failed to take advantage of our speed on defense, and was never able to control the clock with the lead. He should have done a lot more given the resources he had to work with, and deserved to be dismissed.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 3, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meyer is translating the Spread Option into the SEC
Once the Defensive Coordinators in the SEC remember that it is a modified high school offense, they will be able to defend against it. UF will start losing Blue Chip prospects because their offensive superstars now will not translate well to the NFL. That is what any blue chipper in high school wants to do is go to the NFL. Speed on Defense will be what kills Urban Meyers tenure at UF. But fortunately for Gators fans I don’t see the SEC figuring this out anytime soon. If FSU could actually get their recruiting going and start signing real players again then we might be able to give you a run for your money. Urban Meyer will not last as long at UF as Spurrier did.
That being said Gator fans act like he is Spurrier reincarnated lol. Enjoy it while it lasts Gator fans, when you are on top there is only one way to go.
GO NOLES.
Most Gator fans are cool about the rivalry, others are complete douches about it.
http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/1061/F129733.jpg
I think I will remain a Nole fan because I can always look at them when I have to look away from the football team on the field lol
by PewterPirate55 on Aug 3, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No I said modified high school offense ....
Not a modified pop warner offense.
Jeff Bowden is the reason for the decline of our offense he set FSU football back 20 years. We need Mark Richt back oh wait he is too busy as the head coach of Georgia beating the Gators.
by PewterPirate55 on Aug 3, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
LSU has tons of speed
And a very smart head coach (and had a very good defensive coordinator). Nobody is stoppong the spread anytime soon. If Meyer has anything to worry about, its the possibility that MORE teams will adopt a similar style of offense, and he will lose whatever edge he has from being (somewhat) unique.
Oh, and just to pile on
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 3, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Can football plz go away?
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
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Not likely in this state
I kindly ignore the post when someone mentions the Bucs/Lightning. But I understand that people want to talk about it.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 3, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
I generally respect the collective sports IQ of the people who post here. So its only natural i’d want to hear their opinion on topics besides the Rays
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 3, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I get it I just don't enjoy it either
and Joe Morgan just said he has MLB.tv lolz.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
Back of Nasty Nate!
Noles are Florida’s bitch!
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone think they call up Zobrist and send down Gomes
and than send Zobrist back down in a couple days and activate Rocco.
Stuart Scott Jokes are too easy
He has what I refer to atchaforya eyes…. one’s lookin atcha and one’s lookin for ya.
by PewterPirate55 on Aug 4, 2008 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
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