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I loathe writing about attendance, not because it's unimportant to the business cycle, but rather because it's so mundane and repetitive. There are three ways to draw attendance:

1. Win (long-term effective)
2. Build a new ballpark. (short-term effective)
3. Sign star players. (short-term effective)

Option one is the easiest of the three. Option two requires public support (and money) and option three requires a good clubhou...uh, more money. Winning requires money as well, but usually far less than the investment in a new piece of land, materials, planning, projecting, marketing, persuading, constructing, ect. or convincing a player not to be overpaid by bigger markets, but rather to be overpaid by you, and become "a part of something special."

Partially in light of the Rays recent "attendance issues" that the mainstream media has blown far out of proportion, in fact the attendance has raised over 4,000 on average, this coming after a 2,000 increase during the last two years. So for a team that's had its first winning season this year attendance has increased by a little more than 6,000 over the past three seasons. Let's take a look at what the Rays should expect in attendance based on winning by eyeballing a few similar examples.

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Atlanta Braves Early 1990's
Before their incredible streak of division victories the Braves had a run of mediocre seasons. Starting in 1985 the Braves would win 66, 72, 69, 54, 63, and 65 games. In 1991 the Braves pulled the original Rays maneuver and suddenly won 94 games. At the time Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium acted as home to the Bobby Cox lead Braves, but prior to 1991 they were drawing numbers in the mid to low 10,000s. It's a bit unfair to compare raw attendance numbers when you're considering AFCS held over 50,000 and only two current stadiums are averaging more than 50,000 (both in New York) so instead we'll use capacity percentage as a way of showing increases.

Year W Cap%
1990 65 23
1991 94 51
1992 98 73
1993 104 92

It was the year after the breakout season that the Braves felt the benefits of an increased fan base.

Detroit Tigers Early 2000's
The Tigers opened a new stadium in 2000, signed a few star players in 2003/2004 but didn't win until 2006. After an initial hike in 2000 attendance slipped into the low 20,000s where it stood until 2006. They're projected to win 79 games this season which is a disappointment, but they still added Miguel Cabrera to their roster, another superstar, which projected hype and probably added a few people to the bandwagon. What we see yet again is the jump from year two to year three is equal or better to the jump from year one to year two.

Year W Cap%
2005 71 60
2006 95 76
2007 88 90
2008 79 95

Anaheim Angels Early 2000's
What's amazing about the Angels is their attendance rising despite an off season in 2003. Part of that was the addition of stars Vladimir Guerrero and Bartolo Colon both signed by new owner Arte Moreno, which probably counts less than a star player or new ballpark, but it's still a short term burst. Stop me if you've heard this before, but year two to year three was the big jump in tickets sold.

Year W Cap%
2001 75 55
2002 99 63
2003 77 84
2004 92 93

Milwaukee Brewers Early-Mid 2000's
Miller Park opened in 2000 but the Brewers win totals didn't show much added enthusiasm until 2005 73, 68, 56, 68, 67 before their .500 season. The Brewers to this point still don't have a signature season, yet their attendance has crept steadily since 2004 and saw its biggest jump when the Brewers finally broke the .500 barrier.

Year W  Cap%
2004 67 60
2005 81 63
2006 75 67
2007 83 82

Montreal Expos Early-Mid 1990's
Sometimes the big crowds just never come. The Expos won less than 80 games only twice from 1986 through 1993 but that never brought in more than 23,000. It's a shame too, because their road uniforms would still be amongst the best in the game.

Year W Cap%
1991 71 26
1992 87 47
1993 94 47
1994 74 51

Minnesota Twins Early 2000's
While winning will usually draw it's a bit unfair for the Twins who play in a stadium with a baseball capacity of roughly 56,000. Again, only two teams are drawing that nowadays, and both are in New York. Take 16,000 of those seats away and things look a lot, lot better, which is exactly what the Twins will be doing when their new ballpark opens in 2010.

Year W Cap%
2000 69 22
2001 85 42
2002 94 43
2003 90 43

Oakland Athletics Early 2000's
Again, if you take some of the 48,000 seats away from the Coliseum of a thousand names the A's would be fairing pretty well. As it is the improvement is decent, if not equal to what they were drawing in the late 1980's.

Year W Cap%
1998 74 32
1999 87 37
2000 91 42
2001 102 55


It seems like the key to growing attendance is to prove to the locals that it's okay to commit on season tickets and that the confidence is usually gained quickly. For the Rays I would fully expect the attendance to continue rising for the next season and the season after that as long as they continue their commitment to winning. Their capacity is right around 36,000 and I don't see it as a stretch for them to get to the point of 75%+ capacity on average.

The best advice to the locals would be to spend the money you're using on Buccaneer season tickets (prices raised this off-season, again) and place that on Rays season tickets. More games for your money and a better ran organization.

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What did the Bucs do?

The same thing the Rays are doing, correct? It’s the exact same situation.

The Bucs drafted smart, signed their core players long term. The result

1) Winning
2)Signed star players. Winning attracts star players.
3)They got their new Stadium. Which is sold out all the time.

You just had the order wrong.

by John 63 on Aug 30, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it important to mention, the 1993 Expos finished with 94 wins but they were never really in the playoff hunt back in the pre-wildcard days (this is the same year my beloved 1993 Giants won 103 games and didn’t make the playoffs – dammit Saloman Torres). They didn’t really challenge the Phillies division lead until it was much too late and were 10.5 games out of the playoffs in late August.

On the other hand, had the division leading ’94 Expos made the playoffs, most likely they would have seen their big bump too. As the apparent Mr. Sternberg post mentioned, the playoff contending Expos from 1979-1983, particularly the strike-shortened ’81 playoff season, were a hot ticket and despite some shifting demographics in the interim, it is very likely the late-season 1994 Expos and 1995 Expos would have drawn very respectable crowds.

The strike truly hurt the Expos more than any other franchise, with perhaps the twice-defending champ Blue Jays next.

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by RATW on Aug 30, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

i agree

if the study could include a factor for making the playoffs, success in the playoffs, or being in playoff chase, that would probably be cool.

of course, it’s pretty obvious that successful teams see an increase in attendance the following year. probably because season ticket sales go up and that’s a ticket sold to every game.

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 30, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Tomlin article from a few days ago,

was syndicated in the austin paper today. embarrassing to open the paper today and see that.

by davidsmarch on Aug 30, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

BUT BUT FOOTBALL IS MORE EXCITING THAN BASEBALL

AND IT HAS MORE PARITY!

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 30, 2008 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Reason! Logic! Argh!

The Kryptonite of the 24 hour news cycle and “main stream media”

by HAHAHA OH WOW on Aug 31, 2008 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

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