Carlos Pena since the injury..

Someone in the GDT was talking about how his numbers compared to other MVP candidates since he came back from injury. Above is the link to the stats since. I'd say Pena is top-5 in the AL behind:

1. Carlos Quentin
2. Kevin Youkilis
3. Dustin Pedroia
4. Grady Sizemore

Aubrey and Mora are just rotting in Baltimore. Dye is crushing the ball but is lost behind Quentin.

I don't think Pena finishes top-10, but he's been pretty great since coming back.

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Longo was a serious candidate before he got hurt

Wasn’t going to win though

by matthan on Aug 31, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions

Longo gets more MVP votes than Pena...

Which he deserves.

by tallyray on Aug 31, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

my guess is that it comes down to Quintin and Morneau

and whoever wins the Central wins the MVP

by Dbullsfan on Aug 31, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions

Mauer gets no love

by tallyray on Aug 31, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree Mauer has been more productive than Morneau and probably Quentin, too

Grady Sizemore is the one that really gets shafted in all this. Very good offensively, and only really behind Quentin when you consider playing time. But he’s a center fielder and a damn good one at that. Imagine in fifteen years when people are debating Grady’s Hall of Fame credential and someone points out that he lost the 2008 MVP to some dude named Carlos Quentin — no way he’s a Hall of Famer. You can’t hand out MVP based on storylines and then use MVPs down the road to judge how good a player was.

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 31, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions

The real question is

How are they gonna keep from giving it to Pujols this year?

by rglass44 on Aug 31, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions

Why is that list sorted by Slugging %?

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 31, 2008 11:11 PM EDT reply actions

You have to sort by something...

It was either OBP or SLG and I chose slugging since the big sluggers are the ones who get the MVP votes.

by tallyray on Sep 1, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions

I agree Pena's been great since he's been back

But when you’re not even top five over the past two months of the season and you didn’t do much the other months, you’re haven’t been the MVP the whole year.

We really should be focusing our efforts on a Longo for MVP campaign. With three big weeks he could get it.

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 31, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

We should really be focused on not caring about pointless individual awards determined by delusional guardians of antiquated baseball traditions.

I mean honestly, I don’t understand why people care about these awards when year after year the legitimacy of the selections is called into question. The Hall of Fame is even worse. Don’t get me wrong, I love debating the merits of players in the award categories as much as anyone, but I’ve just stopped caring about the actual selections themselves. They’re so superfluous and wrong too often.

More than that, though, I don’t care about recognizing the individual performances of our players because that has absolutely no bearing on my level of happiness. I’m too happy about finally having an awesome baseball team to care about any of that individualistic crap. Should Maddon win Manager of the Year? Yes, and I don’t think there’s any way he doesn’t. That being said, it does nothing for me whether he does or does not.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 31, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions

I assume you don't mean Golden Gloves though...

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 31, 2008 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Gold Gloves are the closest thing to a legitimate award that MLB gives.

So long as Jeter gets his.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Aug 31, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions

We should get at least 2 GG. Aki and Longo

Pena and Bartlett should get love too but I think Aki and Longo have the best shots.

by Dbullsfan on Sep 1, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions

BJ Upton?

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions

good, not great

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 1, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

According to the advanced metrics, Pena is overrated as a 1B.

No way Aki deserves it, even though he’s been above-average. Mark Ellis is just disgusting with the glove. Longo’s been good, too, but Scott Rolen and Adrian Beltre have been unbelievable. Bartlett has missed too much time and hasn’t been crazy good with the glove, just solidly good.

The 2008 fielding performances are a good example of the entire 2008 team: lots of good without much great (other than Longo as an overall player).

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 1, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Patrick, we need to meet officially. I don't give a crap about the awards, either. I hate the BBWAA and think they're mostly a bunch of idiots.

I do enjoy debating which players have been better than others, though, and to think Pena has provided more production that at least 25 other AL players is crazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 1, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

You don't want to meet him

He is hairy.

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by SRQman on Sep 1, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions

No one said he's been more productive than 25 people in the AL.

The question was how his stats compared since the injury and that was the discussion.

Is it possible to totally disagree with the way MVPs are chosen yet still enjoy debating who deserves the award or who will be “selected”? I don’t think anyone that knows somewhat advanced baseball statistics puts any credibility in the MVP award but that’s what makes it more fun. It’s ridiculous and unpredictable.

by tallyray on Sep 1, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions