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The Truth About B.J. Upton

Let me preface this by stating the obvious: B.J. Upton is without a doubt my favorite Rays player. Understandably it irritates me on numerous levels when I hear sports talk radio shows or comments on sites bash Upton for "being lazy" or wanting to trade him because he's "not good". I've resisted from making a post on it, but I can't help but imagine these type of folks talking about Jesus:

Them: Jesus was lazy, he didn't even shave!
Me: He was God's child and the savior.
Them: He didn't hustle.
Me: He walked on water!
Them: Once.
Me: I should hurt you.

Star-divide

B.J. Upton strikes out too much.
This is only true if Evan Longoria also strikes out too much. Upton mentioned in his interview with our site that one of his focuses this season was decreasing the amount of times he struck out and he's done just that. This season is K% is down to 24.8, last season it was 32.5%. On top of that Upton has raised his BB% from 12.1 to 16.2%

B.J. Upton doesn't know the strike zone.
Yes, I have actually seen this commented. Upton swings at about 14.19% of balls outside of the strike zone. That's third best in the majors behind Jack Cust and Marco Scutaro (!). Upton also sees 4.07 pitches per plate appearance and 18 pitches per game, both are above average. It could be said that Upton knows the strike zone better than anyone else on this team.

B.J. Upton does not make enough contact to bat second.
Again, this is true, but only if you think the same of Evan Longoria who has a lower contact percentage than the paladin of sloth.

B.J. Upton is not a good defender.
Using THT's database I ran the numbers for each year since 2004, including this year, as well as a comprehensive 2004-2008 list of centerfielders. From there I used a technique that Sky Kalkman has used in the past with one exception; I only used the THT numbers and not the ESPN numbers. His technique is to add out of zone plays with plays made and divide by the balls in zone. It's possible to go over a "1.000" ratio, and as we'll see with our centerfielders it happens quite a bit.

From there plug the numbers in to this equation:
Balls in zone*(Player ratio - average ratio)

That gives us the plays made above average, and if you want to turn that into runs simply multiply by the run value of an out, 0.8, and you'll get runs above average.

Upton is roughly five plays above average using this metric, near the likes of Curtis Granderson and better than Grady Sizemore, Torii Hunter, Mike Cameron, Aaron Rowand, Vernon Wells, and Coco Crisp. For you Gold Glove lovers Upton is better than that group that features 16 Gold Gloves.

B.J. Upton is in a contract year.
Whoever started this one simply doesn't know how baseball's contracts work. Upton will end this season with about 2.050 (years.days) of service time. He won't qualify for Super-Two status and he won't reach arbitration until after next season. Upton won't be a free agent until after the 2012 season.

B.J. Upton is a "me" guy.
I don't know Upton personally, but even if he is a me guy (his initials spell out M.E. Upton after all) none of it escapes to the press. Even in Durham he wasn't the loud disruptive one, he was the leader, but not of the falsely labeled Three Am-egoes. After Delmon Young threw his bat Upton chased him into the clubhouse to scold him on an amazingly awful decision. Upton has been shuffled in the lineup without blasting Maddon in the press or speaking of ambushes.

B.J. Upton is lazy.
This is the one that infuriates me. I am B.J.'s height (6'3") and I can attest that when I run it doesn't look nearly as strenuous compared with a 6' person running. Upton has longer strides and obviously covers enough ground to continue going at the pace he's done all season. Look at the recent Manny Ramirez snafu and then examine how many players really do jog to first on groundballs to second. Also this:

B.J. Upton plays a lackadaisical center field. That's not to say he's a bad outfielder -- Upton has a plus arm and fabulous range -- but he's just a bit too nonchalant for my liking. Upton's casual approach in center completely counters the unadulterated hustle of Grady Sizemore, the AL's defending Gold Glove winner at the position.

And yet even BP rates Upton ahead of Sizemore this season in fielding runs above average.

B.J. Upton doesn't care.
Ask anyone who has sat within earshot of Upton after a pop up or misplay. If cursing doesn't matter towards care points then look at his dedication to lowering the amount of strikeouts. Upton cares, he cares a lot, just look at his attitude concerning moving from shortstop. His desire was to be the best at short, unfortunately that didn't quite work out.

B.J. Upton hurts this team.
This is the best one and has even become its own parody. Upton is second on this team in VORP behind Longoria, the leader in OBP, third in EqA, fourth in GPA, and second in Runs Created, and that's just offensively. He is unbelievably valuable and without him we would not be in first place.

Here's our report card on Upton:
Offensively he has a great idea of the strike zone and great plate discipline but just needs his power to come back. When it does Upton is going to be an offensive force.

Defensively Upton has played pretty well considering it's his first full season as a center fielder. Yes he has some aspects to work on, and I'm confident he will.

Therefore: B.J. Upton is a young, above average player in both regards with room to grow on each side that is unfairly treated by the local fans and media.

 

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Another note on BJ’s defensive value—he’s playing CENTER field. It’s one thing to play a corner position and be an above-average fielder. But to both hold down center AND do it well, that’s huge.

Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 4, 2008 10:11 AM EDT   0 recs

Upton's postgame

Upton was interviewed in the post game yesterday and was asked what his approach was in his last couple at bats. About the home run at bat he said something like “I was trying to work him deep in the count and then I got a good pitch”. About his last at bat in the 10th he said “I just had to put the ball in play. I knew I couldn’t strike out.” He walked in that at bat.

Upton’s approach is simply amazing.

by tallyray on Aug 4, 2008 10:11 AM EDT   0 recs

Nice post, but I think you are being a little paranoid

I just don’t see nearly as much BJ Upton hate as you see. There is surely some, but it isn’t that extreme.

One thing that comes immediately to mind was an exchange between Duemig and a caller. I believe it was last Tuesday.

Basically the caller was straight out calling BJ out. Essentially he was calling him one of the “three amigos” along with Delmon and Elijah and that BJ had to go. Also that BJ was a cancer and was “rubbing off” on CC. Duemig basically agreed. But then again they are idiots that do not know what they are talking about.

I know I sort of contradicted myself by saying that there isn’t much BJ hate and then giving a pretty exact example of such hate. However, I just don’t think it is that extreme or that profound to really worry about it.

I’ve been a bit frustrated with BJ lately, but it has nothing to do with heart, hussle, or even leadership. He just hasn’t been swinging the bat well. He knows it just as well as everyone should know it. His two XBH yesterday to the left side were very encouraging in that respect.

by matthan on Aug 4, 2008 10:11 AM EDT   0 recs

The Heater comments are full of Upton hate.

And I’ve been told by quite a few people that the sports radio shows (minus Fenton) apparently reek of Upton hate.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 4, 2008 10:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And before someone jumps in with a bunch of OPS numbers...

When I say “swinging the stick” i mean exactly like. I’m not talking about his ability to work a count or draw walks. I’m talking about how he has been when he actually decides to take a swing at a pitch. He hasn’t been hitting the ball well. Keyword: hitting.

by matthan on Aug 4, 2008 10:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...take away yesterday and what are the numbers?

What he did yesteday was very encouraging and a very good sign. But what he was doing prior to that just wasn’t very good.

by matthan on Aug 4, 2008 10:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know, I'm not really tempted to run them.

Last 7 days is .500, last 14 is .442, and so on. His overall SLG is now .400. That’s encouraging.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 4, 2008 10:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think BJ was striking out too much

But I’d argue that recently a lot of the strike outs have been caused by his problems with the stick. Look he just hasn’t been hitting the ball well. I wouldn’t be shocked if he has been hitting more foul balls and watching more strikes in the past couple months than what he did at the start of the season. So he’ll be in more 2 strike counts which is going to result in more strike outs.

Once he starts hitting the way he is capable of the strike outs will go way down.

by matthan on Aug 4, 2008 10:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree

I think the power outage was directly linked to a conscious effort on his part to cut down the length of his swing.

I also think that in general, you seem to undervalue on-base percentage, an in particualr, its value at the top of the lineup. Even in this off year he is still Rickey Henderson Lite (no he’s not going to steal 100 bases, but this is 2008, and even if he wanted to he would not be permitted to take that many chances)

by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 4, 2008 10:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Rickey Henderson comparisons are interesting.

Henderson went through a few power shortage years.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 4, 2008 10:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

IIRC, Ichiro was known for power in Japan....

and has the ability to do so, but knows getting on base is more beneficial to his team then swinginig for the fences all the time.

by chancedj on Aug 4, 2008 11:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That just sounds lazy to me

You are only a ballplayer if you hit homeruns.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 4, 2008 11:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You are correct

If you ever get the chance (not this year obviously as they aren’t coming back), catch an Ichiro BP session. First couple rounds he sprays the ball around the field. Then in the last round he takes aim at the seats. He doesn’t hit mammoth blasts, but he consistently places the ball in the first 5 rows or so in right-center field.

by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 4, 2008 11:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not undervaluing on base percentage because I'm not talking about it

I was talking about his ability to hit the ball. Not his ability to get hit by the ball or his ability to take a walk. His ability to swing the bat and hit the ball. If I was talking about his ability at the plate then I must certainly would somehow use on base percentage. But that isn’t what I was talking about. I was talking about a specific skill once he is in fact up to bat. That is skill is the actual act of hitting a baseball. That is what he has been struggling with. And that has nothing to do with on base percentage.

If you want to discuss how he has done overall at the plate then we can just use his OPS and go from there. But IMO that is pretty lazy analysis. We should break it down a bit further and see what he is doing good at and what he is doing poor at. He is very good at working the count and drawing walks. He has been pretty poor at actually hitting the ball.

by matthan on Aug 4, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

his AVG is "fine", it's his power that's been poor.

my blog // calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy // past results do not guarantee future performance

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 4, 2008 12:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm always in the outfield

3 days don’t go by without me overhearing someone criticize him for being lazy. It’s bullshit!

by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 4, 2008 10:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Johnny-Come-Lately fans are the worst

They sit back and spew misinformation to people they’re with about the team or the game of baseball itself along with every little baseball fact or story they’ve ever heard or learned. They criticize current players or the manager for certain things they do without having an understanding of a decision at least a theory about why they did what they did. There are days when I wish the Trop were half-full of people so I wouldn’t have to hear as much of this garbage. Hopefully, these newer fans will educate themselves on the team and baseball as they continue to follow the team more closely.

by rayweaver on Aug 4, 2008 10:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BJ leaving and CC staying

is the exact opposite of what I would like to see in the coming off-season. Get high value for CC while high value still exists, and prepare for BJ to improve. CC has already peaked, his power numbers keep dropping, his speed is being limited by persistent leg/hamstring problems, and frankly his OBP doesn’t set the world on fire.

I don’t know what the stat mining places say about CC’s range, but I think he takes crappy routes to the ball and saves himself with his speed.

by RayFanNY on Aug 4, 2008 11:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he's rated as the best left fielder so far this year about 8 runs better than average

that’s on par with recent seasons

my blog // calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy // past results do not guarantee future performance

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 5, 2008 10:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Give me more on the defense

I know there are some metrics that say Upton is a good defender. Before I jump on the he’s better than average bandwagon, would there be any way to post all of his relevant defensive metrics (including those that rate him below average)?

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 4, 2008 10:15 AM EDT   0 recs

Quick list:

FRAA 1
2007 UZR was -1 compared to average, couldn’t find this year’s rank.
.916 RZR 64 OOZ
Couldn’t find his OPA!
2007 PMR was in the lower tier.

Not sure if you had any other metrics in mind.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 4, 2008 10:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

STATS zone rating has him about as below-average as BIS zone rating (RZR) has him above average

my blog // calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy // past results do not guarantee future performance

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 4, 2008 10:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it's basically the same thing, but the data is collected by two different companies

i’m not sure if the sub-zones are the same or not. and i know STATS doesn’t report OOZ plays

my blog // calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy // past results do not guarantee future performance

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 4, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

also, I'd like to suggest never, ever quoting FRAA ever again

it is not advanced at all, in the sense that it bothers to use play by play information. might as well use fielding percentage

my blog // calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy // past results do not guarantee future performance

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 4, 2008 10:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yup, BPro has a surprising amount of crap stats to go along with their good stuff

my blog // calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy // past results do not guarantee future performance

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 4, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've been relying a lot more on THT lately.

I’m far more interested in using statistics that I know the formulas to and can recreate myself.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 4, 2008 10:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also, I'll argue that Upton NEEDS not to care

He used to really beat himself up over bad plays, and it would lead to slumps and/or more bad play. If he needs to not care as much to be more consistent, then so be it.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 4, 2008 10:17 AM EDT   1 recs

Here is the problem with BJ's defense..

Upton occassionally looks pretty lost in center, but this can easily be explained by his relative newness to the position. Also these mistakes are fairly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things since they are so few and far between. The problem is they just look really bad and they stick out in the average fans mind. And unfortunately the average fan in Tampa Bay isn’t very smart.

Upton has taken a few plays off. But again nearly every player does that. Aki has done it (see Uptons lazy fly ball that dropped a week ago), CC does it all the time (see scoring on 1st from a single). It is just very difficult for a player to play at 100% effort every play in every game. Especially in the pros where nearly every pop up is caught or every basic ground ball is an easy out. It is just human nature to assume. Very few players have the mental toughness to be able to play 100% all the time.

by matthan on Aug 4, 2008 10:20 AM EDT   0 recs

Upton is freaking awesome in the field

Watching him on TV and watching him in person are two completely different things. He covers a serious amount of ground out there. He can play shallow and defend against the softly hit single, knowing that he has the speed to race back for the deep shots. People bitch because he occasionally lets a ball get over his head that he can’t get to, but he also prevents a lot more of the little bloopers from dropping in. I’m tired of people saying he’s a horrible defender. I can tell these people don’t really know what the hell they are talking about and that they clearly don’t watch the games that often. What reinforces this is when I hear them say, “We need Rocco back in center”. BJ is awesome on defense. Forget about what the numbers say, and just WATCH HIM!

by rayweaver on Aug 4, 2008 10:38 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Someone commented that a person called him a lazy ass for the ball yesterday

That essentially bounced off of the bottom of the wall. There was no way he could’ve gotten that ball, and yet people still hate on him despite playing it pretty well off of the wall (the bare-handed bobble excused because it didn’t allow the runner to move up)

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 4, 2008 10:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

slow clap...

...building to standing O.

This stuff needs to be said, and said often.

by zeng8r on Aug 4, 2008 10:26 AM EDT   0 recs

Admit it

You hate Carl Crawford and Edwin Jackson. You’re just fooling us this B, The J Stands For Jesus, Upton numbers to hide your true feelings.

But seriously excellent post, I wish the people who bash B.J. would take the time to actually do the research instead of the “I see it with my own eyes” routine. Evan Longoria has more K’s on the season than Upton does. However, Upton has over 30 more BBs. Like you said if people are going to critize one player, they need to take others to task as well.

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by TommyR on Aug 4, 2008 10:27 AM EDT   0 recs

people probably critiize him for takeing the walks because he is too lazy to swing lol

rj, bj is lazy give it up, when he hit that HR yesterday, all he did was JOG around the bases, what a lazy ass lol jk

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by RaysOfHope on Aug 4, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Funny

It makes me laugh when I see baseball writers saying Justin Upton is the better of the 2 Upton brothers. Has Justin hit 24 home runs in a season? Has he hit .300? Has he stole 30 bases? Definately not. Bj Upton is one of the best raw young players around and his defense is so smooth in center it reminds me of a young Ken Griffey Jr. His potential is limitless he has a chance to match the bats of Albert Pujols, the before Mentioned A-rod and Griffey, and perhaps the king Barry Bonds. Not in home runs but in all around GAME and the ability to change the way teams approach us.

Give Melvin Emanuel Upton his due we would not be in this position even with a fully healthy Rocco in center.

Justin Upton comparisons to BJ are a joke.

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by Japhei on Aug 4, 2008 10:30 AM EDT   0 recs

Justin is also just 20 years old

I’ve heard 2 sets of comparisons. The first is of the type you mentioned. The second says BJ is better, but Justin has more upside. The first is ridiculous, but the second is a very reasonable position to take.

by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 4, 2008 10:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've said it before....

BJ reminds me of Andrew Jones in center. very good, but looks like he plays very lazily. I remember hearing the announcers whine about him all the time catching it, on a long, easy popup, on a basket catch.

by chancedj on Aug 4, 2008 11:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Andruw Jones was awesome before he bulked up and starting hitting all the dingers

Kind of an argument for Beej to not be swinging for the fences. If we consider this a down year, I’ll take another 15 of ‘em.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 4, 2008 11:32 AM EDT to parent up   1 recs

Deumig has been stirring up controversy in this market for years.

He has been rather successful at it too. He mantra is to find the thing that annoys the public the most about a team and then perpetuate that perception. Then the callers will spit that same perception back at him. Then it kind of snowballs from there. That is the reason the Chris Simms article was such a huge issue with Deumig, It was basically the Tribune being a caller to his show and saying his veiw points all over again. Only it was a news paper and distributed more widely than his radio show is.

He gets an erection anytime anyone mentions anything bad about John Gruden or BJ Upton lately. This perception is perpetuated too when BJ makes the correct play but the casual mouth breathing Deumig listener watches that play says he should have dove or he was lazy or any other number of Deumigism’s. Deumig is tolerable at best on some days. Most of the time he is unbearable.

Notice Deumig shut up really quick about Jeremy Stevens when he got arrested for a DUI himself. At least BJ isnt getting arrested oh and unlike you Deumig he has talent for his occupation.

by PewterPirate55 on Aug 4, 2008 10:31 AM EDT   0 recs

I wish we could flood the station

With letters that follow Duemig’s Stevens rant”Is this the kind of person you want representing your org”, and “I am willing to cut Stevens, I meant Duemig slack over his first DUI, but…..”

The criticism that Duemig layed on Stevens was justified. He just has no business being the guy paid to do it.

by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 4, 2008 10:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm pretty sure that it was Big Dog's 3rd DUI

not first. The guy is an assclown to the max. Anyone that agrees with his short-sighted, emotional banter needs to actually watch a game and look at the numbers. Unfounded criticism is just lazy.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 4, 2008 11:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agreed with his take on Stevens

I haven’t been arrested for a DUI so I’m still allowed to criticize, right?

I was (and still am) more angry about the Bucs organization pulling the wool over my eyes and saying “oh, we knew about this last year,” which apparently means it’s still OK to sign a violent rapist and serial alcoholic who isn’t even a good player.

by kericr on Aug 4, 2008 11:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not going to defend the guy

but that was seven years ago. We took a chance on Pittman after he played demo derby with his wife, child and babysitter, and he straightened out to become a real stand-up guy. Of course we took the same gamble on David Boston and he ended up G’ed out behind the wheel. I don’t condone what Stevens did, but it was quite a while ago, and from all accounts he has been a good teammate.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 4, 2008 11:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't find either acceptable

But if Duemig has been arrested multiple times for DUI, then yeah, he has no right to comment. And frankly, he should lose his job over it (though not for the first offense).

by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 4, 2008 11:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It just goes to prove that Karma will catch up to you every time.

I have no problem with him talking plain truth about Gruden or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Lord knows there are plenty of things to base criticizims of the Bucs and or Gruden on. But the entire player relationship angle is just absolutely stupid, he is playing this angle to get the fans that are dumb enough to say “Gruden won a Super Bowl with Dungy’s Team”. You know the kind that doesn’t know dick about football.

Hey Steve why don’t you use statistics in your arguments instead of feelings, oh that means you would actually have to do show prep. Lets just base all of our arguments on feeling and perception. Deumig is to sports radio what Dr. Phil is to psychology. Dumb people think he is smart. Unfortunately for this city’s sports culture his ratings show exactly how dumb we are as a city when it comes to sports.

The only thing that has annoyed me with BJ is taking called 3rd strikes but that is just my pet peeve. I can take a bad bat if the D is good. Upton has made some mistakes on D, but they all have and I don’t see anything out of him that hasn’t been displayed by all of them at some point.

If Deumig actually knew shit from apple butter when it comes to baseball he might be tolerable to listen to.

by PewterPirate55 on Aug 4, 2008 11:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

with all the hype and 2007's awesome offensive numbers, people had higher expectations in 2008

very good seasons that don’t live up to unreasonable expectations are seen as disappointments. it’s tough to get those people to view BJ with the same glasses they view everyone else. it’s like the Mets fans who blame Carlos Beltran’s disappointing offensive numbers for the Mets’ troubles. idiots.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 4, 2008 10:31 AM EDT   0 recs

Expectations are lame

They called Alex Rodriguez 2004 season in NY a dissapointment.

I do not see how 36 home runs, 112 runs, 106 rbi, 28 sb , and a .286 average a bad season.

Retarded NY writers.

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by Japhei on Aug 4, 2008 10:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

His defense in 2004 was absolutely horrible

Like, killed my fantasy team so bad I traded him away horrible.

by kericr on Aug 4, 2008 10:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

STATS zone rating has him at +11 runs at 3B in 2004

am i missing sarcasm?

my blog // calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy // past results do not guarantee future performance

by Sky Kalkman on Aug 4, 2008 10:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Who makes a smart analysis based on Fantasy Team production?

Yeah I was being sarcastic, but I think I actually did trade him away in 2004 because they were using Fielding% as a stat, and if I recall correctly his Fielding% was down that year.

by kericr on Aug 4, 2008 11:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

*it actually was so bad it was killing my fantasy team

And I traded him for Glaus and another player and managed to make out better in the deal.

by kericr on Aug 4, 2008 11:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rotisserie Leagues do

And I was wrong about the year, it was 2006.

by kericr on Aug 4, 2008 11:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We used it last year in a league....just to be different.

we also used total bases, blown saves to make it fun. I traded away lowell because he alone was causing me to lose Fld% almost every week and supposedly he was known for being one of those that tanks his stats after the ASB.

Straight up for Melvin More IIRC. What happens? Lowell fixes his fielding problems, goes on to have a great second half….and Mora spends most of the time on the freaking DL.

by chancedj on Aug 4, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Odd.

Honestly I’ve never done a league with F% used.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 4, 2008 11:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I play with my uncle in more of a fun league....

him and his friends/my cousin.

This year we’re using the following:

Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, CI, MI, LF, CF, RF, OF, Util, SP, SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, RP, RP, RP, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN

Stat Categories: R, HR, RBI, SB, CS, OBP, SLG, W, L, SV, K, HLD, ERA, WHIP, BSV

While that is a lot of stats and a lot of Positions…it can turn your season around in a hurry. Both he and my cousin were in last and next to last for almost the first half of the season They sit at #5 and #3 respectively right now.

Different strategies (like having jose reyes has killed me a bit on the CS category). but makes it fun.

Bit different them my Head to Head league (w/ 5×5 scoring).

Hardest part i find about running multiple leagues is staying competative and fighting the urge to sync up the rosters :).

by chancedj on Aug 4, 2008 11:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yea I am in a pretty deep league that uses

r, h, rbi, HR, TB, OBP, Slg, SB, Fld%,PO,Whip, ERA,W,L,K,TBA,ERA,RA,S,Hld

I may have missed a couple because it is like 24-25 different stats

by Dbullsfan on Aug 4, 2008 2:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You use ERA twice?

Maybe you wouldn’t have so many stats if you didn’t use certain ones more than once…. ; )

by rayweaver on Aug 4, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I heard from a guy

that him and Jeter spread herpes like a wildfire in California. They’re having some sort of competition to see who can infect more New Yorkers. It is similar to Shawn Kemp’s dream to one-day father 50% of NCAA players.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 4, 2008 11:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks R.J.

The post is important because when nonsense about Upton’s play gets repeated over and over without contradiction-or should I say meaningful contradiction-it attains the status of FACT. Like the 3 Amigos nonsense which actually was a perversion of the reality. At least now there is a source to focus the honest appraisal.

by bobr on Aug 4, 2008 10:37 AM EDT   0 recs

Joe Magrane knows!

Joe Magrane knows! He constantly is complimenting BJ on his long strides and almost effortless looking play. BJ covers alot of ground.

Also not to soun