Organizational Depth Chart (and stats)
On Minorleagueball, someone put people to the challenge of preparing a depth chart for future players for the teams. This was my attempt at preparing a depth chart for the Rays. This includes players who have at least three years of team control left after this one. I think this helps highlight precisely how weak our outfield looks, and how strong our pitching looks. Stu & Co. would do well to trade some of that pitching for some outfield help and/or help with the right side of the infield this offseason.

Also, this might be a good resource for those who don't want to check every team's stats to see who is standing out.
Also, feel free to argue with my placements and omissions in the comments. There are plenty of guys with upside who are doing well enough that I omitted, and a couple guys who are completely sucking who I included.
C:
1. Dioner Navarro – MLB (24)
2. Shawn Riggans – MLB (28)
3. John Jaso – AAA (24) - .278/.408/.405 in 284 ABs in Montgomery with a 33/62 K/BB ratio (yes, almost twice as many walks as strikeouts), .370/.370/.500 in 46 ABs in Durham. Keeps hitting, but defense is still marginal for a major league catcher. Might be able to find a niche as someone who can back up at catcher, 1B and DH if he can keep his major league OPS in the .800 range.
4. Jake Jeffries – SS (20) - .293/.373/.436 in 140 ABs, 16/15 K/BB ratio. 3rd round pick this year.
5. Nevin Ashley – A+ (23) – .227/.328/.298 in A+. Not a good enough defender to advance that far if he can’t remember how to hit.
6. Michael McCormick – A- (21) – .216/.271/.348 in Columbus. Did well previous year after converting to catcher, but not so much this year. Still has great tools and projectability, and has cut his K rate pretty significantly.
1B:
1. Dan Johnson – AAA (almost 29) – .300/.414/.545 in AAA. Was claimed off waivers earlier in the year, is being stashed away and probably will be added to the roster in September so the team has him to DH for the next few years, if nobody else can be signed.
2. Rhyne Hughes – AA (24) – .272/.359/.458 in AA. Supposedly a solid defender, and was a top-20 prospect in the FSL last year, but I don’t see him hitting enough to make it to the show.
3. Chris Nowak – AA (25) - .309/.399/.514 in AA. Has always reminded me of Kevin Millar, and is taking a similar career path. Can also play 3B, but is a plus defender at 1B. Will need some luck to get to the majors, but I have little doubt that he could hit enough to play in the majors if he gets there.
4. Eligio Sonoqui – Rookie (20) - .291/.373/.397 in Rookie Ball. Finally having his first healthy season. Has shown big time batting cage power, has room to fill out.
2B:
1. Willy Aybar – MLB (25)
2. Elliott Johnson – AAA (24) - .260/.317/.428 in Durham. Made it to the majors, which is pretty good for a guy who was an undrafted free agent, but probably isn’t in the team’s long-term plans unless Aki gets injured.
3. Elias Otero – Rookie (20) - .350/.413/.579 in Princeton. Undrafted free agent from Puerto Rico Baseball Academy is catching some notice.
SS:
1. Jason Bartlett – MLB (28)– Between Brignac’s mediocre season and his defense, I think he’s passed Brignac on the long-term depth chart, although one of them will probably have to move either way.
2. Reid Brignac – AAA (22) - .246/.294/.410 in Durham
3. Tim Beckham – Rookie (18) - .208/.268/.257 in Princeton, 7 errors. It’s just rookie ball.
4. Ben Zobrist – AAA (26) - .366/.471/.577 in Durham, .230/.288/.486 in MLB this year in 74 ABs. Likely utilityman of the future. Keeps hitting well in the minors, not as well in his chances in the majors.
3B:
1. Evan Longoria - MLB (22)
(Willy Aybar)
2. Joel Guzman – AAA (23) - .245/.273/.437 in Durham – Still relatively young, but out of options next year combined with an inability to take a pitch means it’s unlikely he’s still on the roster by the beginning of next season. Poor man’s Tony Batista.
(Chris Nowak)
3. Burt Reynolds – Rookie (19) - .299/.353/.474 in Princeton. And yes, he’s Dominican.
Corner OF:
1. Gabe Gross – MLB (28)
2. Justin Ruggiano – AAA (26) - .313/.371/.522 in Durham, .290/.333/.452 in MLB in 31 ABs.
3. Ryan Royster – A+ (22) - .258/.300/.361 in 350 ABs. Was HORRIBLE in the first half, after a monster season in low-A. Has picked it up significantly lately, with an .794 OPS since the all-star break. I wonder whether there was a distraction in his life in the first half, or if he wasn’t completely healthy.
4. Reid Fronk – A- (22) - .270/.377/.463 in Columbus. Average tools all the way around.
5. KD Kang – SS (20) - .268/.350/.452 in Hudson Valley. Shows plus power and patience, but the power hasn’t translated into games yet.
6. Jason Corder – SS (22) - .347/.379/.508 in 121 ABs. 7th round draft pick. Showed better power in college than former teammate Evan Longoria, FWIW.
CF:
1. BJ Upton – MLB (23)
2. Desmond Jennings – A+ (21) – .259/.360/.412 in limited action in Vero Beach – Has been injured in one way or another most of the year. When healthy, still looks like a future star.
3. Fernando Perez – AAA (25) - .281/.351/.380 in Durham
4. John Matulia – A+ (21) - .303/.361/.386 in Vero Beach. Speed might be too fringy for ML CF, and power is too fringy for corner OF, so we’ll see how far he gets.
5. DJ Jones – Rookie (18) - .220/.310/.320. Plus tools all the way around, hasn’t done much on field yet though.
6. Ty Morrison – Who knows. Signed, but hasn’t played yet. This year’s 4th rounder. Projectable HSer, Oregon state POY
RHSP:
1. James Shields – MLB (26)
2. Matt Garza – MLB (24) - Seems to be improving over the course of the season, and on some days looks flat out unhittable.
3. Wade Davis – AAA (22) – 2.25 ERA, 23/11 K/BB in 24 IP in Durham, 3.85 ERA, 81/42 K/BB in 103 IP in Montgomery. Performance took a step back in AA this year, but he’s been dealing in AAA so far. Still has major league stuff, still is a solid prospect.
4. Jeremy Hellickson – AA (21) – 4.37 ERA, 41/7 K/BB ratio in 45 IP in Montgomery, 2.00 ERA, 83/5 K/BB in 77 IP in Vero Beach. Seems to be starting to settle down in AA. Has the makings of three plus pitches, we’ll see how they develop. Already has plus control and command.
5. Edwin Jackson – MLB (24) – Seems to be putting it together, but can still be frustratingly inconsistent, and still doesn’t have a real out pitch. ERA+ of 101 this year.
6. Andy Sonnanstine – MLB (25) – Not bad when the 8th starter on your depth chart has an ERA+ of 92 in 133 IP. FIP is significantly better than his actual ERA, but I suspect some of that may have to do with his relatively low velocity.
7. Jeff Niemann – AAA (25) – 3.61 ERA, 91/38 K/BB in 99 IP. Looks great for three or four starts, then gets hammered. Barring a catastrophy, will be in the Rays bullpen next year, as he’s out of options and he has two plus pitches in his fastball and curve.
8. Nick Barnese – SS (19) – 2.79 ERA, 61/18 K/BB in 48 IP. Haven’t seen a scouting report for him this year, but last year was 89-92 with plus movement on his FB. Last year’s third rounder. The front office really likes this kid.
(Ryan Carpenter will fit here if he signs)
9. Heath Rollins – A+ (23) – 3.47 ERA, 111/26 K/BB in 130 IP. Gets a lot of comparisons to fellow Winthrop alum Kevin Slowey, but not quite as good of control. Three solid average pitches and decent control.
10. Alex Cobb – A- (20) – 3.34 ERA, 81/28 K/BB in 116 IP, 1.93 G/A, 1.08 WHIP. Good sinker, other pitches are catching up.
11. Mitch Talbot – AAA (24) – 4.11 ERA, 110/24 K/BB in 131 IP. Probably a fringe major leaguer. Has a couple options left, so he’ll probably be stashed in Durham for a while in case of injuries, etc.
12. Chris Mason – AAA (24) – 6.31 ERA, 81/35 K/BB in 97 IP. Horrible year in AAA after having a great season last year in AA. Has plenty of time to come around, but by the time he gets there, the major league bullpen might already be full.
13. Joseph Cruz – Rookie (20) – 3.55 ERA, 42/8 K/BB ratio in 38 IP in Princeton. Projectable.
14. Matt Walker – A+ (21) – Control fell apart last year, never came back, and then got busted for steroids. Still young and still has great stuff, but that’s a lot to overcome.
LHSP:
1. Scott Kazmir – MLB (24)
2. David Price – AA (22) – 2.08 ERA, 48/12 K/BB in 51 IP in Montgomery, 1.82 ERA, 37/7 K/BB ratio in 35 IP in Vero Beach. Should be in the majors before September 1.
3. Jake McGee – AA (21) – 3.94 ERA, 65/37 K/BB ratio in 78 IP in Montgomery. Out for the rest of the year with TJ, still more than young enough to make a full recovery. Stuff took a bit of a step back this year, and it’s unclear whether the elbow had been bothering him all year.
(Kyle Lobstein will fit here if he signs)
4. James Houser – AA (23) – 3.03 ERA, 69/34 K/BB ratio in 86 IP in Montgomery. Numbers against lefties are killer, so he has a shot at being a loogy someday, but for someone who used to throw gas, his velocity is just horrible, sitting in the mid-to-low 80’s these days. Then again, JP Howell makes it work. Also got suspended for PED use last year. Never put any weight onto his lanky frame.
5. Matt Moore – Rookie (19) – 2.59 ERA, 53/13 K/BB ratio, 23 HA in 35 IP. Low 90’s fastball, projectable, was a 2-sport star in HS.
6. Glenn Gibson – I’ll just say he’s had a horrible year this year. ERA around 7.5 in A- with as many walks as strikeouts, demoted back to short season.
RP:
1. Grant Balfour – MLB (30) – 1.44 ERA, 48/13 K/BB in 31 IP in the majors; 0.38 ERA, 39/10 K/BB ratio in 24 IP in AAA. OK, so he’s not really a prospect, but he’s under team control for a long time and is the obvious closer of the future at this point. Is back to where he was before he got hurt. Only has one pitch, but a 96 mph fastball with plus movement is evidently enough to strike out most major leaguers.
2. JP Howell – MLB (25). Who knew that five pitches would work better in relief than starting.
3. Jason Hammel – MLB (25). The only reason he’s on the depth chart ahead of Salas is because he’s in the majors and Salas isn’t. Still, he’s been solid lately, ERA down to 4.11.
4. Juan Salas – AAA (29) – 2.27 ERA, 48/10 K/BB ratio in 39 IP, 0.96 WHIP – Not sure what he needs to do to get back to the majors. Has a major league ERA+ of 126 and has always pitched well in the minors, since converting from shortstop. Hopefully should replace someone in the bullpen before September 1 rolls around. Despite his age, still is somewhat of a prospect because he converted to pitching so late.
5. Eduardo Morlan – AA (22) – 3.48 ERA, 25/11 K/BB ratio in 31 IP in Montgomery. Has had injury problems, and his velocity is down in the 88 – 91 range.
6. Ryan Reid – AA (23) – 3.25 ERA, 42/24 K/BB in 35 IP in Montgomery, 0.29 ERA, 45/3 K/BB in 31 IP in Vero Beach. Killed high-A, struggling a bit more with control in AA. We have yet to know whether he’s really legitimate or not. Reportedly has a good FB/CH combo, but neither pitch is really plus at this point. Will have a tough time making it to the majors in this system, but could get his name in the encyclopedia elsewhere.
7. Dale Thayer – AAA (27) – 1.70 ERA, 66/18 K/BB ratio in 58 IP. Sleeper to make it to the majors since he’s not on the 40-man roster, but reportedly is velocity is up in major league range these days, and all he does is get guys out on every level.
8. Matt Gorgen – SS (21) – 2.35 ERA, 23/4 K/BB in 15 IP. Was considered to be the better of the Gorgen twins coming out of HS, but the worse by the time they were done with college. Average velocity with some room to build around on secondary stuff.
9. Justin Garcia – A- (21) – 2.36 ERA, 64/19 K/BB ratio in 61 IP. Tops out around 90 and relies on control.
10. Neal Frontz – AA (24) – limited AA sample (6 IP), 1.38 ERA with 41/12 K/BB in 51 IP and 1.62 G/A in A+. Fringy stuff, probably tops out in AAA, but could be a groundball specialist someday.
11. Jae Kuk Ryu – AAA (25) – Not going to bother with the stats, as I’ll be shocked if he’s not pitching in Korea this time next year.
DH:
(Dan Johnson)
1. Sergio Pedroza – AA (24) - .261/.346/.364. Probably close to being done as a prospect.
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Also, don't mind some of the descriptions
they may seem obvious here, but this was originally geared towards people who don’t follow the Rays on a daily basis.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 1:56 PM EDT 0 recs
Thanks
If I had known that, I would have truncated it a bit. Is there any way to give it a jump?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Aug 5, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
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Probably between the catchers and the 1Bs
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Aug 5, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
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I just put all but the intro behind the jump.
I can change it if you want though.
by R.J. Anderson on
Aug 5, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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Lobstein should be 4th on that LHSP list
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by SaberToothedPie on Aug 5, 2008 2:15 PM EDT 0 recs
Whoops, missed the if he signs part
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by SaberToothedPie on
Aug 5, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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But he has agreed, just not signed, FWIW
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by SaberToothedPie on
Aug 5, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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You still fail.....
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on
Aug 5, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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Also would anyone re-sign Hinske, or would you rather roll the dice for freely available talent?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 5, 2008 2:27 PM EDT 0 recs
If you can get him for under $1 mill
Platooned 128 OPS+ is worth it I’d think.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on
Aug 5, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
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Problably close to three times that much to resign him.
I’d consider it if for nothing else than proven commodity vs. unknown risk.
by kericr on
Aug 5, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
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Eric Hinske started out hustlin'
ended up ballin’
by Top Gun Numba 1 on
Aug 5, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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Lupe is a guy right
zing.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on
Aug 5, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
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I despute this.
Patrick only listens to 80s music as far as I know. Or NPR
by Top Gun Numba 1 on
Aug 5, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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Also, today is Patrick's birthday. He's 13 now.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on
Aug 5, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
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lol
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by SaberToothedPie on
Aug 5, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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The part about his birthday is true.
You should probably make a big deal about it and stickie a thread to the top of the page.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on
Aug 5, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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Attention whore.
I suppose you want everyone to say happy birthday now, don’t you? Don’t you
Well then. Happy birthday.
by R.J. Anderson on
Aug 5, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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congrats dude
heres to 20 more
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on
Aug 5, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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Why? Because he doesn't talk about killing people and pimpin' bitches?
The artist formerly known as TonyT
by acelion on
Aug 6, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
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Lupe Fiasco, that is.
The artist formerly known as TonyT
by acelion on
Aug 6, 2008 5:07 PM EDT
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as a DH, he's ok.
he’s probably not as good as he’s hit this year, and filling up the DH spot is never a priority. i’d rather sell high, but a few million would be a fine deal.
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by skyking162 on
Aug 5, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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is Riggins really 28 years old?
christ, dude’s practically a vet…
by davidsmarch on Aug 5, 2008 2:34 PM EDT 0 recs
yet he still looks 15....
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BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on
Aug 5, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
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why do 3+ years? this is major league baseball, many players are signed to short term deals...
by davidsmarch on Aug 5, 2008 2:36 PM EDT 0 recs
This shows what the team already has locked up
And by extension, you can map out what the team will need in the future.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Aug 5, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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yup
and these are the players signed to longer term deals
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by skyking162 on
Aug 5, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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also, there is 0% chance that Bartlett has passed Brignac in the "shortstop of the near future" runnings,
he’s obviously ahead of him in the “shortstop of the present” running, as well as the “shortstop of the immediate future” running, but he’s definitely still behind in the “shortstop of the future” race.
by davidsmarch on Aug 5, 2008 2:38 PM EDT 0 recs
Seems like like a game of semantics.
No offense or anything.
by R.J. Anderson on
Aug 5, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
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I doubt that..
I know we’ve gone around on this before, but he is not clearly ahead by any means.
Bartlett isn’t a free agent until 2012 and he seems likely to be the starting shortstop until that time. He’s hitting well below his career norms so that should improve. His walk rate is way down and that’s what is hurting his OBP.
Until Brignac shows something at AAA there is no reason to push Bartlett aside.
by tallyray on
Aug 5, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
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isn't it nice to have one solid SS option and another who may or may not pass him?
it’s a win/bigger win situation.
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by skyking162 on
Aug 5, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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Why?
Briggy’s best offensive season was 2 years ago in a hitters park. His glove sucked that year, but has progressively gotten better. He will never be as good as Bartlett in the field and has a career slash line in the majors of .000/.091/.000. OK I’m joking about the slash line, but still Barlett hit .309 with a 99 OPS+ 2 years ago. Bartlett is also a great base runner according to the 2008 Bill James. I like the guy and think it would be a mistake to think Brignac is better than him now or in the future.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on
Aug 5, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
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He will never be as good as Bartlett in the field
I don’t get this statement. 2 years ago Brignac was a defensive liability, last season he was considered the best defensive infielder in the system and this season he has been called by some (BA) the best defensive SS in AAA. While Bartlett is very good in the field, he isn’t Ozzie Smith, nor is Brignac, but the thought that Brignac will never been as good as Barty IMO is nuts. He isn’t far off now and appears to be working very hard to improve that part of his game (this also could explain his drop off in hitting as he is working harder on defense)
by Dbullsfan on
Aug 5, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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I should have said that was my opinion.
I just don’t see it with him. You most likely have more experience watching him play as Durham is quite the trek for me, but going from not good to good does not really impress me. Let’s see him be great at the highest level before we go crazy about him.
Fielding % RFg
Bartlett .955 Bartlett 4.4
Brignac .953 Brignac 4.25
He has already played 50 more games in the minors than Bartlett, though to be fair Barty played in college. Again it is my opinion, but what I see out of Bartlett on a game-to-game basis backs it up. I prefer known quantities versus best case scenarios or what ifs. That’s just me though.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on
Aug 5, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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I should say those numbers are career minor leage stats in the field.
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by Sandy Kazmir on
Aug 5, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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yea I wasnt directing that entirely at you
a lot of people harp on Brignacs defense because of the bad rep he got a couple years ago (at least that is where I assume it comes from) and it is a lot easier for me to see his range and arm strength than people who dont see him play.
by Dbullsfan on
Aug 5, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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His career minor league stats are irrelevant
As are almost every other players’. We know Brignac’s defense has improved a LOT while he’s been in the minors. I have no idea what Bartlett’s defense was like when he first got to the minors.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Aug 5, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
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Ryan Carpenter is a LHP, not RHP
Other than that, excellent work
by Kevin Gengler on Aug 5, 2008 2:41 PM EDT 0 recs
Tim Beckham hasn't done much. Has anyone seen him play? Anybody else worried? I wanted Alverez..
by bucpimpin on Aug 5, 2008 2:53 PM EDT 0 recs
Beckham has done more than Alvarez
Who hasn’t signed, and who Bucs fans are worried they won’t be able to sign.
Supposedly Beckham looks fine and still oozes tools. Don’t forget, he still has to adjust to wood bats, and this is an extension at the end of the longest season he’s had. We’ll see whether the team starts him in instructs or Columbus next year – that will be a pretty good indication of where the front office thinks he stands.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Aug 5, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
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Apparently Huntington went so far as to say he's worried about signing Alvarez
"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson
by SaberToothedPie on
Aug 5, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
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Wasn't he a senior in college? If he doesn't sign is he going to play for the Surf Dogs?
by Top Gun Numba 1 on
Aug 5, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
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No
He was a college junior. He’d go back to Vandy.
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by Brickhaus on
Aug 5, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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if he doesn't sign, the Pirates get the number 3 pick next year
and the Pirates will be the new Rays in 3-4 years.
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