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Organizational Depth Chart (and stats)

On Minorleagueball, someone put people to the challenge of preparing a depth chart for future players for the teams.  This was my attempt at preparing a depth chart for the Rays.  This includes players who have at least three years of team control left after this one.  I think this helps highlight precisely how weak our outfield looks, and how strong our pitching looks.  Stu & Co. would do well to trade some of that pitching for some outfield help and/or help with the right side of the infield this offseason.

Star-divide

 

 

Also, this might be a good resource for those who don't want to check every team's stats to see who is standing out. 

 

Also, feel free to argue with my placements and omissions in the comments.  There are plenty of guys with upside who are doing well enough that I omitted, and a couple guys who are completely sucking who I included. 

 

C:

1. Dioner Navarro – MLB (24)

2. Shawn Riggans – MLB (28)

3. John Jaso – AAA (24) - .278/.408/.405 in 284 ABs in Montgomery with a 33/62 K/BB ratio (yes, almost twice as many walks as strikeouts), .370/.370/.500 in 46 ABs in Durham.  Keeps hitting, but defense is still marginal for a major league catcher.  Might be able to find a niche as someone who can back up at catcher, 1B and DH if he can keep his major league OPS in the .800 range.

4. Jake Jeffries – SS (20) - .293/.373/.436 in 140 ABs, 16/15 K/BB ratio.  3rd round pick this year.

5. Nevin Ashley – A+ (23) – .227/.328/.298 in A+.  Not a good enough defender to advance that far if he can’t remember how to hit. 

6. Michael McCormick – A- (21) – .216/.271/.348 in Columbus.  Did well previous year after converting to catcher, but not so much this year.  Still has great tools and projectability, and has cut his K rate pretty significantly.

 

1B:

1. Dan Johnson – AAA (almost 29) – .300/.414/.545 in AAA.  Was claimed off waivers earlier in the year, is being stashed away and probably will be added to the roster in September so the team has him to DH for the next few years, if nobody else can be signed.

2. Rhyne Hughes – AA (24) – .272/.359/.458 in AA.  Supposedly a solid defender, and was a top-20 prospect in the FSL last year, but I don’t see him hitting enough to make it to the show. 

3. Chris Nowak – AA (25) - .309/.399/.514 in AA.  Has always reminded me of Kevin Millar, and is taking a similar career path.  Can also play 3B, but is a plus defender at 1B.  Will need some luck to get to the majors, but I have little doubt that he could hit enough to play in the majors if he gets there. 

4. Eligio Sonoqui – Rookie (20) - .291/.373/.397 in Rookie Ball.  Finally having his first healthy season.  Has shown big time batting cage power, has room to fill out. 

 

2B:

1. Willy Aybar – MLB (25)

2. Elliott Johnson – AAA (24) - .260/.317/.428 in Durham.  Made it to the majors, which is pretty good for a guy who was an undrafted free agent, but probably isn’t in the team’s long-term plans unless Aki gets injured.

3. Elias Otero – Rookie (20) - .350/.413/.579 in Princeton.  Undrafted free agent from Puerto Rico Baseball Academy is catching some notice.

 

SS:

1. Jason Bartlett – MLB (28)– Between Brignac’s mediocre season and his defense, I think he’s passed Brignac on the long-term depth chart, although one of them will probably have to move either way.

2. Reid Brignac – AAA (22) - .246/.294/.410 in Durham

3. Tim Beckham – Rookie (18) - .208/.268/.257 in Princeton, 7 errors.  It’s just rookie ball.    

4. Ben Zobrist – AAA (26) - .366/.471/.577 in Durham, .230/.288/.486 in MLB this year in 74 ABs.  Likely utilityman of the future.  Keeps hitting well in the minors, not as well in his chances in the majors.

 

3B:

1. Evan Longoria - MLB (22)

(Willy Aybar)

2. Joel Guzman – AAA (23) - .245/.273/.437 in Durham – Still relatively young, but out of options next year combined with an inability to take a pitch means it’s unlikely he’s still on the roster by the beginning of next season.  Poor man’s Tony Batista. 

(Chris Nowak)

3. Burt Reynolds – Rookie (19) - .299/.353/.474 in Princeton.  And yes, he’s Dominican. 

 

Corner OF:

1. Gabe Gross – MLB (28)

2. Justin Ruggiano – AAA (26) - .313/.371/.522 in Durham, .290/.333/.452 in MLB in 31 ABs.

3. Ryan Royster – A+ (22) - .258/.300/.361 in 350 ABs.  Was HORRIBLE in the first half, after a monster season in low-A.  Has picked it up significantly lately, with an .794 OPS since the all-star break.  I wonder whether there was a distraction in his life in the first half, or if he wasn’t completely healthy. 

4. Reid Fronk – A- (22) - .270/.377/.463 in Columbus.  Average tools all the way around.

5. KD Kang – SS (20) - .268/.350/.452 in Hudson Valley.  Shows plus power and patience, but the power hasn’t translated into games yet. 

6. Jason Corder – SS (22) - .347/.379/.508 in 121 ABs.  7th round draft pick.  Showed better power in college than former teammate Evan Longoria, FWIW.   

 

CF:

1. BJ Upton – MLB (23)

2. Desmond Jennings – A+ (21) – .259/.360/.412 in limited action in Vero Beach – Has been injured in one way or another most of the year.  When healthy, still looks like a future star. 

3. Fernando Perez – AAA (25) - .281/.351/.380 in Durham

4. John Matulia – A+ (21) - .303/.361/.386 in Vero Beach.  Speed might be too fringy for ML CF, and power is too fringy for corner OF, so we’ll see how far he gets. 

5. DJ Jones – Rookie (18) - .220/.310/.320.  Plus tools all the way around, hasn’t done much on field yet though. 

6. Ty Morrison – Who knows.  Signed, but hasn’t played yet. This year’s 4th rounder.  Projectable HSer, Oregon state POY

 

RHSP:

1. James Shields – MLB (26)

2. Matt Garza – MLB (24) - Seems to be improving over the course of the season, and on some days looks flat out unhittable. 

3. Wade Davis – AAA (22) – 2.25 ERA, 23/11 K/BB  in 24 IP in Durham, 3.85 ERA, 81/42 K/BB in 103 IP in Montgomery.  Performance took a step back in AA this year, but he’s been dealing in AAA so far.  Still has major league stuff, still is a solid prospect.

4. Jeremy Hellickson – AA (21) – 4.37 ERA, 41/7 K/BB ratio in 45 IP in Montgomery, 2.00 ERA, 83/5 K/BB in 77 IP in Vero Beach.  Seems to be starting to settle down in AA.  Has the makings of three plus pitches, we’ll see how they develop.  Already has plus control and command. 

5. Edwin Jackson – MLB (24) – Seems to be putting it together, but can still be frustratingly inconsistent, and still doesn’t have a real out pitch.  ERA+ of 101 this year.

6. Andy Sonnanstine – MLB (25) – Not bad when the 8th starter on your depth chart has an ERA+ of 92 in 133 IP.  FIP is significantly better than his actual ERA, but I suspect some of that may have to do with his relatively low velocity.

7. Jeff Niemann – AAA (25) – 3.61 ERA, 91/38 K/BB in 99 IP.  Looks great for three or four starts, then gets hammered.  Barring a catastrophy, will be in the Rays bullpen next year, as he’s out of options and he has two plus pitches in his fastball and curve. 

8. Nick Barnese – SS (19) – 2.79 ERA, 61/18 K/BB in 48 IP.  Haven’t seen a scouting report for him this year, but last year was 89-92 with plus movement on his FB.  Last year’s third rounder.  The front office really likes this kid. 

(Ryan Carpenter will fit here if he signs)

9. Heath Rollins – A+ (23) – 3.47 ERA, 111/26 K/BB in 130 IP.  Gets a lot of comparisons to fellow Winthrop alum Kevin Slowey, but not quite as good of control.  Three solid average pitches and decent control. 

10. Alex Cobb – A- (20) – 3.34 ERA, 81/28 K/BB in 116 IP, 1.93 G/A, 1.08 WHIP.  Good sinker, other pitches are catching up. 

11. Mitch Talbot – AAA (24) – 4.11 ERA, 110/24 K/BB in 131 IP.  Probably a fringe major leaguer.  Has a couple options left, so he’ll probably be stashed in Durham for a while in case of injuries, etc.

12. Chris Mason – AAA (24) – 6.31 ERA, 81/35 K/BB in 97 IP.  Horrible year in AAA after having a great season last year in AA.  Has plenty of time to come around, but by the time he gets there, the major league bullpen might already be full.

13. Joseph Cruz – Rookie (20) – 3.55 ERA, 42/8 K/BB ratio in 38 IP in Princeton. Projectable. 

14. Matt Walker – A+ (21) – Control fell apart last year, never came back, and then got busted for steroids.  Still young and still has great stuff, but that’s a lot to overcome.  

 

LHSP:

1. Scott Kazmir – MLB (24)

2. David Price – AA (22) – 2.08 ERA, 48/12 K/BB in 51 IP in Montgomery, 1.82 ERA, 37/7 K/BB ratio in 35 IP in Vero Beach.  Should be in the majors before September 1.

3. Jake McGee – AA (21) – 3.94 ERA, 65/37 K/BB ratio in 78 IP in Montgomery.  Out for the rest of the year with TJ, still more than young enough to make a full recovery.  Stuff took a bit of a step back this year, and it’s unclear whether the elbow had been bothering him all year.

(Kyle Lobstein will fit here if he signs)

4. James Houser – AA (23) – 3.03 ERA, 69/34 K/BB ratio in 86 IP in Montgomery.  Numbers against lefties are killer, so he has a shot at being a loogy someday, but for someone who used to throw gas, his velocity is just horrible, sitting in the mid-to-low 80’s these days.  Then again, JP Howell makes it work.  Also got suspended for PED use last year.  Never put any weight onto his lanky frame. 

5. Matt Moore – Rookie (19) – 2.59 ERA, 53/13 K/BB ratio, 23 HA in 35 IP.  Low 90’s fastball, projectable, was a 2-sport star in HS.

6. Glenn Gibson – I’ll just say he’s had a horrible year this year.  ERA around 7.5 in A- with as many walks as strikeouts, demoted back to short season.

 

RP:

1. Grant Balfour – MLB (30) – 1.44 ERA, 48/13 K/BB in 31 IP in the majors; 0.38 ERA, 39/10 K/BB ratio in 24 IP in AAA. OK, so he’s not really a prospect, but he’s under team control for a long time and is the obvious closer of the future at this point.  Is back to where he was before he got hurt.  Only has one pitch, but a 96 mph fastball with plus movement is evidently enough to strike out most major leaguers.

2. JP Howell – MLB (25).  Who knew that five pitches would work better in relief than starting. 

3. Jason Hammel – MLB (25).  The only reason he’s on the depth chart ahead of Salas is because he’s in the majors and Salas isn’t.  Still, he’s been solid lately, ERA down to 4.11. 

4. Juan Salas – AAA (29) – 2.27 ERA, 48/10 K/BB ratio in 39 IP, 0.96 WHIP – Not sure what he needs to do to get back to the majors.  Has a major league ERA+ of 126 and has always pitched well in the minors, since converting from shortstop.  Hopefully should replace someone in the bullpen before September 1 rolls around.  Despite his age, still is somewhat of a prospect because he converted to pitching so late.

5. Eduardo Morlan – AA (22) – 3.48 ERA, 25/11 K/BB ratio in 31 IP in Montgomery.  Has had injury problems, and his velocity is down in the 88 – 91 range. 

6. Ryan Reid – AA (23) – 3.25 ERA, 42/24 K/BB in 35 IP in Montgomery, 0.29 ERA, 45/3 K/BB in 31 IP in Vero Beach.  Killed high-A, struggling a bit more with control in AA.  We have yet to know whether he’s really legitimate or not.  Reportedly has a good FB/CH combo, but neither pitch is really plus at this point.  Will have a tough time making it to the majors in this system, but could get his name in the encyclopedia elsewhere. 

7. Dale Thayer – AAA (27) – 1.70 ERA, 66/18 K/BB ratio in 58 IP.  Sleeper to make it to the majors since he’s not on the 40-man roster, but reportedly is velocity is up in major league range these days, and all he does is get guys out on every level. 

8. Matt Gorgen – SS (21) – 2.35 ERA, 23/4 K/BB in 15 IP.  Was considered to be the better of the Gorgen twins coming out of HS, but the worse by the time they were done with college.  Average velocity with some room to build around on secondary stuff.

9. Justin Garcia – A- (21) – 2.36 ERA, 64/19 K/BB ratio in 61 IP.  Tops out around 90 and relies on control.

10. Neal Frontz – AA (24) – limited AA sample (6 IP), 1.38 ERA with 41/12 K/BB in 51 IP and 1.62 G/A in A+.  Fringy stuff, probably tops out in AAA, but could be a groundball specialist someday. 

11. Jae Kuk Ryu – AAA (25) – Not going to bother with the stats, as I’ll be shocked if he’s not pitching in Korea this time next year. 

 

DH:

(Dan Johnson)

1. Sergio Pedroza – AA (24) - .261/.346/.364.  Probably close to being done as a prospect.

 

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Also, don't mind some of the descriptions

they may seem obvious here, but this was originally geared towards people who don’t follow the Rays on a daily basis.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

If I had known that, I would have truncated it a bit. Is there any way to give it a jump?

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lobstein should be 4th on that LHSP list

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 5, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whoops, missed the if he signs part

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 5, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he has agreed, just not signed, FWIW

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 5, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You still fail.....

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 5, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you can get him for under $1 mill

Platooned 128 OPS+ is worth it I’d think.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 5, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problably close to three times that much to resign him.

I’d consider it if for nothing else than proven commodity vs. unknown risk.

by kericr on Aug 5, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lupe is a guy right

zing.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 5, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I despute this.

Patrick only listens to 80s music as far as I know. Or NPR

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 5, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Attention whore.

I suppose you want everyone to say happy birthday now, don’t you? Don’t you

Well then. Happy birthday.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 5, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

congrats dude

heres to 20 more

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 5, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as a DH, he's ok.

he’s probably not as good as he’s hit this year, and filling up the DH spot is never a priority. i’d rather sell high, but a few million would be a fine deal.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 5, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is Riggins really 28 years old?

christ, dude’s practically a vet…

by davidsmarch on Aug 5, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yet he still looks 15....

Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans

BELIEVE in 08!

by SRQman on Aug 5, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This shows what the team already has locked up

And by extension, you can map out what the team will need in the future.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

and these are the players signed to longer term deals

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 5, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also, there is 0% chance that Bartlett has passed Brignac in the "shortstop of the near future" runnings,

he’s obviously ahead of him in the “shortstop of the present” running, as well as the “shortstop of the immediate future” running, but he’s definitely still behind in the “shortstop of the future” race.

by davidsmarch on Aug 5, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I doubt that..

I know we’ve gone around on this before, but he is not clearly ahead by any means.

Bartlett isn’t a free agent until 2012 and he seems likely to be the starting shortstop until that time. He’s hitting well below his career norms so that should improve. His walk rate is way down and that’s what is hurting his OBP.

Until Brignac shows something at AAA there is no reason to push Bartlett aside.

by tallyray on Aug 5, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn't it nice to have one solid SS option and another who may or may not pass him?

it’s a win/bigger win situation.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 5, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Briggy’s best offensive season was 2 years ago in a hitters park. His glove sucked that year, but has progressively gotten better. He will never be as good as Bartlett in the field and has a career slash line in the majors of .000/.091/.000. OK I’m joking about the slash line, but still Barlett hit .309 with a 99 OPS+ 2 years ago. Bartlett is also a great base runner according to the 2008 Bill James. I like the guy and think it would be a mistake to think Brignac is better than him now or in the future.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 5, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He will never be as good as Bartlett in the field

I don’t get this statement. 2 years ago Brignac was a defensive liability, last season he was considered the best defensive infielder in the system and this season he has been called by some (BA) the best defensive SS in AAA. While Bartlett is very good in the field, he isn’t Ozzie Smith, nor is Brignac, but the thought that Brignac will never been as good as Barty IMO is nuts. He isn’t far off now and appears to be working very hard to improve that part of his game (this also could explain his drop off in hitting as he is working harder on defense)

by Dbullsfan on Aug 5, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should have said that was my opinion.

I just don’t see it with him. You most likely have more experience watching him play as Durham is quite the trek for me, but going from not good to good does not really impress me. Let’s see him be great at the highest level before we go crazy about him.

Fielding % RFg
Bartlett .955 Bartlett 4.4
Brignac .953 Brignac 4.25

He has already played 50 more games in the minors than Bartlett, though to be fair Barty played in college. Again it is my opinion, but what I see out of Bartlett on a game-to-game basis backs it up. I prefer known quantities versus best case scenarios or what ifs. That’s just me though.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 5, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should say those numbers are career minor leage stats in the field.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 5, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea I wasnt directing that entirely at you

a lot of people harp on Brignacs defense because of the bad rep he got a couple years ago (at least that is where I assume it comes from) and it is a lot easier for me to see his range and arm strength than people who dont see him play.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 5, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His career minor league stats are irrelevant

As are almost every other players’. We know Brignac’s defense has improved a LOT while he’s been in the minors. I have no idea what Bartlett’s defense was like when he first got to the minors.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beckham has done more than Alvarez

Who hasn’t signed, and who Bucs fans are worried they won’t be able to sign.

Supposedly Beckham looks fine and still oozes tools. Don’t forget, he still has to adjust to wood bats, and this is an extension at the end of the longest season he’s had. We’ll see whether the team starts him in instructs or Columbus next year – that will be a pretty good indication of where the front office thinks he stands.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently Huntington went so far as to say he's worried about signing Alvarez

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 5, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he doesn't sign, the Pirates get the number 3 pick next year

and the Pirates will be the new Rays in 3-4 years.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 5, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They can just pick Alvarez again!

Watch The M’s get Pick 3b and LL cry

"STP is me. He can do everything I can do." - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Aug 5, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It also might be a ploy

The Pirates need pitching much more than they need hitting, especially after their recent trades. If they don’t sign Alvarez, they get the #3 pick in next years’ pitching-rich draft.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all worried.

His numbers are unlucky.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 5, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Missed Pena @ 1B, not that it matters.

Very nice work though. If I tried to think that much about this my brain would probably reboot.

by kericr on Aug 5, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fail @ math

Pena’s under control for next 2 years after this one :/

by kericr on Aug 5, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and slugging .486 in the majors 104 OPS+

I think it’s time we got on our knees for this guy

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 5, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to get him up here

because of his wife. I don’t care if he hits .100 and strikes out three times a game, as long as Kalas interviews his wife every game, he’s my new best friend.

by kericr on Aug 5, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to add that we are

55-32 .632 when Bartlett plays in a game for whatever that is worth.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 5, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LIES!

There’s no way they sent Gomes down. That’s unpossible! Gomes generates more electricity than the Mojave desert.

by kericr on Aug 5, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Windpower = wave of the future

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 5, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, this is awesome, thanks.

some questions and comments…

1. Could Jaso switch to 3B? 2B? Outfield? His bat would have to be huge to justify being an asset at 1B or DH.

2. What does Jennings project to hit at the MLB level? Will he have value in a corner OF spot? How good of a center fielder is he?

3. I was reading through the starting pitchers and found it disgusting. Then I realized I was reading the RIGHT-HANDED starting pitcher list and almost threw up.

4. Howell really should be a starter. He’s shown about 3.75 ERA skills this year, which would be in the 4.50 ERA range for a starter given all his pitches. Not that the Rays will or need to move him. But as trade bait, he’s better than simply a setup guy.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 5, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just my opinions

1) No. Not mobile enough for anywhere other than 1B or C.

2) Best case scenario, Carl Crawford with higher OBP (.300/.400/.450 type hitter with 50 SB a year). Yes, he could play LF. Plus defensive CF, though raw (i.e. still learning how to run routes), not a great arm. Keep in mind, however, that Crawford was already in the majors when he was Jennings’ age.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

7. Dale Thayer – AAA (27) – 1.70 ERA, 66/18 K/BB ratio in 58 IP. Sleeper to make it to the majors since he’s not on the 40-man roster, but reportedly is velocity is up in major league range these days, and all he does is get guys out on every level.

Seems like DT should be in the bigs.

9 = 8

by websterjtc on Aug 5, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm starting to come around on that too.

He should at least get a fair shot when the rosters expand, IMO. We could easily DFA Ryu just to see if he’s worth keeping on the 40-man. Otherwise, he becomes a minor league free agent at the end of the year.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

Top Gun wins.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I got pwn3d.

by kericr on Aug 5, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only the original street fighter though

The one with the punch pads, where there was a boxer named Mike who looked like Mike Tyson, and before anyone could figure out how to throw the damn fireball.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fun fact:

There are no copies of the Original Street Fighter that have joysticks still in their sockets.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 5, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And why not have Salas ahead of Hammel?

Not being an MLBer didn’t stop you from putting Davis and Hellboy ahead of Edwin Jackson in RHSP.

Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.

by Orlando Rays on Aug 5, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AL West is cheaper

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 5, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

screw you, numbers

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 5, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

indirectly

all my friends’ parents called my sky king growing up after that show. my first name is Sky.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 5, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just did this a few days ago

C-Matthew Spring should be there somewhere, Mayobanex Acosta has put up good numbers in Princeton, and I wouldn’t rule out Mark Thomas just yet.

1B-Michael Sheridan is probably our top prospect at 1B right now, that’s pretty bad. Also, Matthew Fields has some massive power, though his approach and contact skills need lots of work.

2B-Wow, that is a weak position.

3B-Ditto, good thing we’ve got Longoria locked up.

SS-Robi Estrada has shown a good approach and speed, and when he was drafted he was supposedly a plus defender. Be interesting to see what they do with him next year with Beckham the likely starter at Columbus (Bowling Green, whatever). Also, Shawn O’Malley hasn’t shown much with the bat, but he’s young and has a good approach and speed, much like Estrada.

OF-I’m not big on Corder. He’ll be 23 next year in A ball, he better kill the ball. JT Hall is only a year and 4 months older and is putting up good-not-great numbers in A+/AA. I really like Kang, though, I’ll think he’ll pass Fronk as a prospect next year.

CF-DJ Jones is 20, not 18. Emeel Salem should also be there somewhere. He may never be a great prospect, but I could see him being a Willy Taveras/Michael Bourn type player.

RHSP-If Joseph Cruz is there, Shane Dyer may as well be.

RP-Austin Hinkle, Wade Townsend.

by raysrule07 on Aug 5, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Spring was an intentional omission. I just think he’s a non-prospect at this point.

I thought about including Acosta, but I’m not comfortable rating someone just because they have decent stats in Princeton, especially when he’s a catcher and I haven’t heard anything about his defense.

O’Malley, Thomas, Fields, Dyer, Ayers, Wrigley, Hayes, etc. are all lower-level tools/projectability types that I could have included, but just chose not to because their performance doesn’t really merit it. I gave a shout to Morrisson only because he was just signed and was such a high pick.

I missed Estrada. Probably should have included him.

I went back and forth on Salem, but there’s really so little chance of him ever making it to the majors. He’s really old, his only asset was his speed, and now he has a career-threatening leg injury. I feel like he was specifically drafted to provide veteran type leadership at the lower levels, not to actually be a prospect.

Hinkle is a non-prospect. He just doesn’t have stuff. He only becomes a prospect if he can keep it up through AA.

I thought about including Townsend, Tiffany, and a few others along those lines (i.e. former prospects fallen by the wayside), but those guys need to either stay healthy or get their K rates above their walk rates before they’re back on the depth chart. I almost didn’t include Walker for the same reason, but since Walker was once a BA top-10 guy for us, I thought people over at MiLB would be curious about what happened to him.

My bad on Jones.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those are good reasons

and I agree with most of them, especially Acosta, Thomas, Walker, and Townsend. I just have a couple of questions.

1) Why do you think Spring is a non-prospect?
2) Do you know the scouting report on Hinkle? I know he was drafted because one of their scouts was very impressed after seeing him throw 1 inning/a bullpen session, so I would assume that his stuff is at least decent.

by raysrule07 on Aug 5, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Hinkle

I read somewhere that he’s high-80’s, which usually doesn’t cut it for an older right-handed reliever. I might be thinking about the wrong guy though. I couldn’t find it going back.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 7, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Sheridan ...

... has been hurt. He has only appeared in 8 games at Hudson Valley (through Aug. 4th) , and in his six early season starts, played with not one but two painful wrists, and still batted .360 (9 of 25). He has been rehabbing for the past six weeks, has been a late-inning defensive replacement the past two games at Aberdeen, and will be fully available in a week or so. Don’t sell this kid short … he has terrific skills, can hit for both power and average, and has an outstanding baseball IQ. I look for bid things from him.

by DCraysfan on Aug 6, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't at all mean to imply that he's a bad prospect

He’s not. My comment about it being bad that he’s our best 1B prospect was more in regards to his level. He’s got 5 level jumps to make before he makes it to the majors, and he could hit a wall at any of them.

by raysrule07 on Aug 6, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad to hear that ...

Michael has a bright future in this organization. Inside skinny has it that, had he not gotten injured, he would probably be at Columbus already. Watch this space for updates.

by DCraysfan on Aug 7, 2008 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

aki's here through 2010, right?

when will beckham be ready?

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 5, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not by 2011

Unless he’s an absolure freak.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really good stuff Brickhaus

One point – Balfour is only under control for 2 more years. His arb clock will tick past 4 years this season – in fact it should have already. Does the group here think they should go for an extension on him?

And perhaps Wheeler should be included – Rays can keep him in ‘11 if they pick up the $4 MM option. I’d count that as control since it’s their choice.

Good point about OF depth situation – same might be said for 1B, 2B, at the back end of the 3 year period. At least decent quality for the latter spot can be found at reasonable FA cost. The org could resign some in-house studs – then it’s welcome to how the upper half lives payroll-wise. Hey Shields and Longoria bit on great deals for the team – maybe feeding that Koolaid to Balfour, Garza and Upton will work as well.

Looking at the salary projections for those “most likely to succeed” is interesting as the team moves through ‘10 and ‘11, particularly the latter. There’s at least $42 mil committed to the top 8 (including Price) in 2010 (assuming CC and Aki’s options are picked up). 3 (those 2 plus Pena) will be FA’s in ‘11. There are 13 others on the current active roster that would be under control in ‘10, Balfour as noted above falls out in ‘11. 11 of those 13 will be arb or super 2 eligible in ‘10 if all stick in the majors through then, the other 2 (Sonny, BenZo) in ‘11. The salary structure will be something to see come then compared to the last few years. Of course, some guys in the system could fill pre-arb low cost roles or replace some of the current folks. But realistically, if prospects aren’t in A+ ball by now, it’s hard to count on them for these years.

And the draft is likely to become more expensive and / or less productive as the team’s position drops.

I find it hard to forget Dan Johnson’s struggles in Oakland that prompted his release – don’t know how much you can count on him. Ruggiano should have been up platooning in RF instead of Gomes already in my mind, but RF will likely remain an issue – as will DH – in the short run. Plenty of close, quality SP candidates, which could / should move some incumbents into the pen or to the trade block. The pen depth might be a little light, but if that’s all that needs filling in things look pretty good.

Really great post Brick!

by nyyfaninlaaland on Aug 6, 2008 4:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

while there are certainly some holes to fill, my guess is that the Rays have fewer than them than most teams

they do not need to sign a single free agent starter or reliever, at all. the rotation is full, the “failed” prospects will fill out the bullpen, and there’s bound to be one or two who turn into bullpen aces.

one or two of the positional prospects should become full time players. that leaves only a few positions to be filled by free agents or via trades. i’m not worried that friedman can plug the holes with at least league-average production, even if it’s a combination of below-average hitting and above-average fielding.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 6, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

can we get a permanent link to this post in the sidebar somewhere?

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 12, 2008 9:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you remind me

I can do a postseason update at some point.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 12, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reminds me of USSMariner's Future Forty, which is awesome

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 12, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At Raysbb

we used to put together a composite top 25 every midseason and postseason. We missed doing one this midseason though. Not sure whether STP would be willing to be the ringleader to put something like that together here. Can’t really do it at Raysbb now that Jay is gone – I can put together my own list, but don’t have the time to aggregate everyone else’s, and I suck at HTML.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 12, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

information i'd like to see included:

- estimated ETA to the majors
- estimated MLB performance if called up RIGHT NOW
- estimated reasonable peak performance
- estimated ceiling performance
- fielding ability

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 12, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a paid writer lol

I can give you stats and what scouting reports say, if you want to figure out that other stuff, work on your own formulas.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 12, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for stuff like this, i'm more than happy with best guesses from the guys who follow prospects

the things i listed mean more to me that scout-speak

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 12, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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