In Case You Needed to be Reminded
Evan Longoria: Tomas Perez :: Bobby Fenton: Ron & Ian.
Read this post on the main boards for some comedy, essentially this exchange:
I'm listening to Ron and Ian right now...and Ron is talking about last night's game...and Ian comes out and says...'Well I didn't watch the game and had to read about it in the paper...'
Then in the next breath he states that "you" need to get out and support the team when they return home.
Do as I say, not as I do apparently. I'm not a radio analyst at all, but some advice to 620: dump these two and find someone half as good as Fenton. This also serves as some friendly advice to all of you, don't try listening to Ron and Ian, instead just flip your dial (or whatever you kids do nowadays) to 1010 and listen to Fenton instead.
Also some site notes:
- That prospects post is going to be delayed until either the next off-day or the off-season. Same with rosterbation posts, although by all means feel free to create your own.
- MVP voting post coming up tomorrow morning, if you have any suggestions or desired topics that you want me to cover over the next few weeks please mention or email them to me.
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Embarassment
Ian Beckles is also the man who last year, from a good source, wore Yankees paraphrenalia inside the Trop and conducted an interview with Friedman and Silverman while wearing Yankees garb.
I too listen to Bobby and am all for Bobby. The best secret in this market that I hope is a secret no more. He knows more and cares more, period. You can discuss it and hammer it with him and he gets you and he loves the back and forth.
If I were the Rays its now time to give WDAE a clear shot across the bow, since they own the radio broadcast rights to Rays games. Its time for some love and respect. You got an entire morning crew that has zero loyalty and a complete lack of regard for the success of this team. Its political chicanery, and Stu, I beg and implore of you if you are reading this, to please exert some force on Mike Killebrew and Gabe Hobbs over at Clear Channel and get a better shake.
Joe
Ridiculous
I know this is a fan website, and this has zero to do about radio critique or other political affiliations. But this situation with the three clowns in the morning is nothing short of a cancer. And no one cares because Clear Channel, the #1 radio conglomerate in this market, don’t give a rat’s phooey because its all about ratings!! A pig could sneeze on CC’s stations and draw. CBS Radio, where Bobby works, has entertaining programming but suffers from a lack of a signal strength and station’s lack of marketing. That is tough, because CC owns all of the major franchise agreements on 620, so they naturally will draw.
Their misconceptualizations draw extra naivete. And what they say is a disservice to the Tampa Bay Rays, let alone the Buccaneers or Lightning. I don’t care if I agree or disagree, its the presentation, the technical exeuction, the lack of care and the sheer lack of professionalism and PREPARATION. The teams need to take a look at this and wonder why some of the feedback is as lousy as it is. Bobby Fenton, who I got an inordinate amout of respect for, is a strong personality, and is fresh, innovative, and non-repetitive. It doesn’t revert to sex, drugs, food or lifestyle. I don’t want to listen to that, and I don’t. I also got an XM radio, and enjoy that too. So you know what, when Chris Thomas passed away 5 years ago, bless his heart, the passion and barometer of what was quality left this market!
The fact that this piece made it to the team’s website should send shockwaves through the teams’ offices. Its obvious that the main, prime hosts don’t care for this franchise. So be it, people can make that conclusion. But what I care about is having an erudite and intelligent way of having feedback, good or bad, is important not just for people like me, but for the “ham and eggers” too. This is not news what I wrote, but go to Boston and WEEI especially, and you see the kind of banter and debate, and its why fans come to DRB to get the information and feedback!!! Stu, please read this and exert some force. I implore you.
Joe
by joedobr on Sep 11, 2008 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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I miss Chris Thomas. For more reasons than just his horse racing advice.
by ReasonableDoubt on Sep 12, 2008 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Those two mouthbreathers talk for reaction
They must have went to the same radio school as Dan Sileo as they sound alike.
I’m an XM nerd so everything I listen to is on XM in my car or online – but I make an exception for Bobby’s show. If you are not yet listening to his show from 9-12 on 1010am, start doing it. He walks the walk and talks the talk. He’s up in NYC this weekend and will be at the Rays game tomorrow night “representing hard” as his text to me said tonight.
Stop listening to 620, stop reacting to 620. No press = no ads = no jobs for those morons.
by Jason Collette on Sep 11, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions
As do I
This rant is hard, but its done to support Bobby and two, to bring light to a matter that the Rays should expect more out of their partnership with Clear Channel. And this hurts them, no matter the way it does. Jason, I have called Bobby’s show on may of occassion, and I too get the occasional text from him, our bias aside, he is much better than anyone. Yes, I implore people not only to STOP listening to 620, but to implore the Rays to challenge the relationship and understand that what these clows, these sanctimonious jackasses hurt their relationship, they get no feedback, and create bitter feelings.
Yes, I listen to Steiner on the Baseball Beat myself on 175 after Bobby’s show too. Point is, people in this market are treated like cattle. It hasn’t been the same here, and Bobby fills the void for me.
Joe
No arguments there
I think all agreements should go year to year. These clowns get into a long deal and then there is no motivation for them to do the work.
by Jason Collette on Sep 12, 2008 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Ratings down over past 2 quarters
My understanding from the arbitron ratings…
Stu, please make yourself heard and understand what Killebrew is doing!! They don’t care about what is being said, they want to pay for crappy commericals, rather than engage listeners! What comes first, the chicken or the egg? Have someone from the team make a phone call and at least put someone’s feet to the fire. Long live Bobby, DRB friends
Joe
Thought it was Killabrew still
Let’s check that. Email me, I have been wanting to talk with you:)
Joe
I emailed someone I know there with the board piece
Someone at Clear Channel…Maybe someone there will say something other than “congratulations”… If I had pride and passion, maybe I would care that your prized morning talk show hosts are a complete disgrace and embarrassment to the area. They are butchers to civic pride. Disgraceful, bombastic cretins.
Joe
I heard the first 5 minutes of those assclowns this morning...
And heard his comment. Ian didnt watch any of the game, and Ron didnt start watching until the 9th inning. Isnt it these guys jobs to watch some of the most important games of the year and provide commentary?
I completely agree with RJ….Fenton is by far the best local sports guy on the radio in Tampa. I thought that before I realized he posted here, and that only enhances my opinion of him.
Couldn't agree more
I am going to hammer this in
Joe
It certainly is...
Don’t get mad at them anymore, well beyond that. Direct your anger at Mike Killebrew, the PD at Clear Channel. And to the Rays front office who have a right to protect themselves. It is time for Stu and Matt to draw their sabers and make themselves heard. If they don’t care, maybe its overtime that the Rays do. Don’t let it get to your own boards!! Stop this, Stu, please.
Joe
what does everyone think of the Killer B's on 1470?
They crack me up. Not sure how much they really “know” about baseball but they do entertain…
Another disgrace
Benarczyk is a Ron Diaz wannabe with some knowledge. Very imposing character. Freitas is local and has worked for a break. Marc is just here until ESPN tells him a better job is coming up
Joe
It's quite sad...
…that a market of this size with THREE local sports talk stations suffers from a serious shortage of quality radio talent. And I agree on Mr. Fenton – he is probably the only local guy who is neither a moron nor a jackass… or both.
I had a different experience..
Realizing everything that is spewed on TV or Radio is opinion, I hate to hold different personalities on a pedastal or throw too many stones.
Granted, Beckles and Diaz do not understand baseball and are not a sports forum persay. I had the dubious honor of meeting Ian at the Trop at the Rays/Indians game. He does support his Rays. My seats were directly behind the dugout with Ians behind ours. It was cowbell night, in fact Beckles mentioned my annebriated accomplice wearing his Boston derby on the radio the next morning. He did this because Ian brought an entourage of young kids with him to the game (how many does he have?) and we gave them our cowbells since they had none. Ian was so happy hearing the cowbells in his ears. NOT! It made for a pleasant evening as we talking throughout the game. While Beckles doesn’t have in depth knowledge of baseball, he sure as hell went in depth about the Bucs, his expertise.
Anways, the point being I think R.J. is a jack ass but I don’t throw stones at him. Just turn the dial man rather than dis their morning show.
Opinion vs Promotion
“Turning the dial” for the consumer is just like “turning the cheek” in a fight. Some of what I am talking about is the “Howard Stern” shock effect. I know this, and everyone here realizes that. Point is and “John”, maybe you do get this, maybe you don’t, but these guys rely on being slick, arrogant, crude and pompous, while Bobby is the every man, common man, who has been there, done that. There are people in other markets and other stations, specifically WFAN and WEEI, that have direct affiliated tie ins, specifically, the Mets and Red Sox, and I am fair to say I am going to go out on a limb, if these two “personalities” or Sileo for that matter, tried to deliver the same way here to try there, they wouldn’t last two weeks. And the answer is quite simple. The consumer DEMANDS a better product. And I believe and KNOW that same demand should be place by the franchise to their signal carrier, i.e. Clear Channel Communications.
And this kind of ties in to the Bob Ryan column which was deplorable. Its “personalities” like Ron, Ian and Sileo that help reinforce the lousy notion of our area nationally. As Bobby is finding out and like what I have know and others here have know, baseball in the northeast is like an heirloom. The passion level is wratcheded up 10 more degrees than here. And you don’t have high school kids (love the energy) jumping on the dugout trying to liven and spice up the crowd. You got hypocrites acting hypocritical and in my opinion, this is something that the Rays NEED to take a look at. They have a vested interest in the proper promotion of their product, and its beyond just airing the generic commercials. When I have railed about the team’s road uniforms, “civic pride” was one of my main reasons for that. And “civic pride”, an invaluable tool to the team, is of a similar logic to why guys like Bobby get it, will always get it, unlike corporate suits over at CC who think about the next bean counter to screw over.
Fans come to DRB to have dialogue, fans WANT to call their local show and have debate, either positive or negative. What that “station” has turned into the last five years is nothing short of a disgrace. You get imposed on, you get talked back to, they take it personal. And the Rays, as well as the Bucs and Lightning need to get off their keesters and see this. Change won’t happen because of how I feel, or Jason feels or Toby feels, but the life of this market, thoughtful and erudite callers who love to interact, are being supressed for “entertainment” i.e. sex talk, lifestyle or good food. If I want that, I will go to the FM station. There is too much happening here. And Bobby Fenton gets it, and not just saying that. I will say that to anyone who cares or is passionate about that.
It was different here quite some time ago. Bobby has made it fun and will make it fun. And I will debate anyone in private or any forum who wants to continue this. There is importance here, to the team, to YOU, and to people that are tired of seeing Tampa Bay misconstrued and misrepresented. The team needs to read this, and understand that disappointed people are posting on THEIR site, crying for help. Bobby Fenton is an elixir, but the team needs to take not of that and the corporate suits, the PD’s need a shot across the bow.
Joe
Wow
I can’t tell you how much it means to me to read some of the things being said on this thread. I’m so glad to hear that a few people out there are enjoying the show, especially people who are on this blog every day. R.J. does a phenomenal job and as Rays fans to have this kind of resource makes us very lucky, and I’m not just saying that. It also makes me lucky as a talk show host because I am not nearly as smart as I sometimes get credit for, but thanks to having draysbay to read every day, I can at least sound like it.
I am in NYC, I am going to the ballgame tonight, and we do not have any plans to blend in with the crowd.
Keep up the great work Mr. Fenton.
Humility is virtuous. It is really telling that you are willing to admit that you don’t know everything as no one does. Being a conduit for information and debate is far more important than being shocking or going out of ones way to expose their own ignorance. Thank you so much.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 12, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Enjoy...
The Rays Revolution in full effect. Great city, great town and have a great time!
Joe
In all fairness
Ron and Ian were both in New York yesterday. Pretty good chance that he couldn’t watch the game, either because he was in NY or getting ready to go.
Ok, it was National
But I didn’t listen to the show either, so I’m not trying to figure out their schedules.
Game was nationally televised
Already there, they knew what they said and were doing. Its par for the course. This is standard modus opperendi for these two.
Joe
Duemig, Ron & Ian, Sileo.....
Sileo – we all know is completely incompetent when reporting baseball BUT.. Duemig has taken it to an embarrassing level this year since he’s jumped on the wagon.
I listen to sports radio just to capture the excitement of the area but listening to duemig bumble + stumble over game philosophy, mispronouncing or just plain getting the names of our players + coaches wrong, and totally misunderstanding what sabermetrics actually are (pretending that he knows)…. just makes me irritated that he even attempts to talk baseball.
Whether you’re a Fenton fan or not, I’m sure most baseball fans in this area feel the same as I do and would love to have someone credible to listen to when covering our Rays.
Mispronoucing Jason Hammel's name?
For example?
Joe
thats the worst .......or Fernando "pair ez"... Tim Foley...
not knowing any Bulls, Biscuits, Drays, etc… Its just tiresome with him yet he talks like he’s been a fan since day 1.. “I told ya.. I told ya” “I knew this was gonna happen”
He’s a putz.
by blackjackrays on Sep 12, 2008 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That commercial gives me nightmares
where he is being a tough guy in line. Somebody needs to put him out to sea on a life raft with about 4 weeks worth of rations. Wherever he ends up will be a better place than here.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 12, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ripping off the Yankee fan's shirt?
Does have some bad connotations to it:)
Part of what makes 620 who they are though. Its what I am trying to get at with the Rays. They need to explore the relationship. Just because the Rays are being talked about isn’t necessarily a positive. Lots of misinformation and misconceptions being thrown out there. Plus the bias.
Joe
Bobby Fenton sucks
Ron & Ian isn’t the greatest show ever, but they certainly beat the pants off Bobby Fenton in the ratings. I can’t believe all this love for Bobby Fenton though, his show is awful.
He continuously ripped on the Rays earlier in the year rather than support them, and has only recently come around on them. I don’t listen to him all that much, mostly because I can’t stand him or any of the other garbage on 1010, but I do remember hearing that once he actually did attend a Rays game all he did was complain about the Trop the next day — how cold it was in there, how loud it was, etc. What a douche bag.
. I can’t believe all this love for Bobby Fenton though, his show is awful.
Probably because you are not very intelligent.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 12, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you just don't listen
Or in the words of another great personality, “you hear what you want to hear”. Define “awful”. You can’t. There is a difference between hearing and listening, Mr. Boogie Woogie Man, and with respect to you, he does care. The beauty is that I don’t agree with Bobby 100% of the time. Oh, that’s right, you can’t disagree with him…. WRONG!!! If you listen, you know you can!
Ratings….I may or may not be speaking for Bobby here, but I will say this. The Clear Channel properties have a superior signal strength. They pay for the better frequencies. That is a corporate decision that goes beyond you or I. I know what the numbers are, and although I have no way of proving my theory outright, I am willing to bet that if Bobby had the same signal power and a corporate backer with affiliations with the same local franchises, he would draw within 15% one way or the other what 620 does. Its corporate bs, and that’s the way of the world. I don’t need to defend Bobby, he can do it, as plainly stated below and above, but there are reasons beyond what you hear on the radio on why things are the way you or I perceive them to be. I enjoy the banter, I love the entertainment, and I love it most when its done in an informative way that doesn’t alienate people or done in a way I am talked down to.
The decision is yours as the consumer. I know where my loyalties lie. My gist is that as others have stated, this market deserves better. Not necessarily Bobby Fenton “clones” (bad pun), but personalities that are willing to talk, be strong, be prepared and will talk with you as someone who exists as a human being with a life.
Joe
Is this Derek Sharp, or Justin Palowski?
Seriously dude, if you think R and I are any good, you are making yourself look bad. If you dont like Fenton, so be it. Most in here would disagree with you….and most in here are smarter then your average fan.
“He continuously ripped on the Rays earlier in the year rather than support them, and has only recently come around on them. I don’t listen to him all that much…”
That last line means I probably shouldn’t even address this at all, but whatever. Homeboogie, I have no problem with someone thinking the show sucks because that’s radio, but at least make it sounds like at some point EVER you may have listened to the show instead of reacting to something you heard secondhand. If you ever listened, you know I didn’t rip the ballclub, I was ripping some of the off-field marketing moves that had nothing to do with the baseball team itself. There has been very little to rip the team itself about this year. And it is not my job to support anybody, it’s to say what I think. I’ve supported them by going to games since 1998, which is not my job, just something I like to do.
And the Trop blows. I don’t consider that a lack of support for the team. You’re an idiot, simply.
Again, I probably shouldn’t even be acknowledging the rantings of halfwits, but since I visit this site everyday anyway, I figured what the hell?
Again, I probably shouldn’t even be acknowledging the rantings of halfwits, but since I visit this site everyday anyway, I figured what the hell?
Just because I am a half-wit does not mean I rant.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 12, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
BLARGH SUX RABBLE
So why do you hate the warehouse that we play in? Not everybody gets to call a shopping mall home.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 12, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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by kericr on Sep 12, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Is that a box of some sort?
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 12, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It's supposed to point at the reply button.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 12, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It was also supposed to be a reply so that replies didn't push it down
So it in itself is a reply-fail, and therefore hillarious.
Bravo!
Ironing is hilarious.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 12, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions

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