Left fielder Raul Ibanez is unlikely to return to the Mariners as a free agent, and is a good bet to land with the Rays as their designated hitter in 2009
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Eh
Looked over his stats, changing my stance to “meh.”
by Kevin Gengler on Sep 14, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
if Rocco can play the field next season then fine with me
if he has to DH, then I prefer Rocco
Maybe I am crazy but I think he will be awesome next season.
You're crazy for two reasons.
1. He’s never been awesome. He’s been good, but never awesome.
2. This is the most important. He is not well. Not even close. He can’t work out because it takes to much out of him. The pills help him, but it hasn’t even come close to fixing the situation. He can’t even DH everyday. It would take to much out of him.
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obviously price makes a big difference here, but I like the idea of Ibanez as DH
he’s a much better hitter than Hinske, Floyd, or Rocco. his Marcel forecast is .280/.347/.466, which is probably a touch low because of Safeco. the one downside other than price is that he’s a lefty.
At his current $5.5MM price tag, he’s a steal. I might go as high as $8MM for a couple years.
I’d still rather trade pitching for cheap young offense, but Ibanez is probably a more realistic and cost-effective option to Dunn/Mann/Burrell.
And I trust Friedman to realize Ibanez should never step on the field while a Rays pitcher is on the mound.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
NB: Safeco is a hitter's park if you're a left-hander with power.
by Graham MacAree on Sep 14, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
really, i was assuming it wasn't as death on lefties as for righties, but wow
what would you guess is the LH park factor for runs? 105? 110? 120?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Sep 16, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why people are so down on Ibanez's defense
I’ve seen the lowlights, but these are individual plays. Screwups to be sure, but I thought we use more than one observation. CLICK HERE FOR RZR RANKINGS Granted RZR is not the best measure and the way I have it sorted isn’t the prettiest, but .896 RZR puts him ahead of many other slugging LF’s. For the right price I would absolutely bring him in as a DH/Part-Time LF to spell Craw. You point out him being lefty and that is an issue as we need a solid righty, if Baldelli can’t be that guy.
That is why I am coming forward today to announce my candidacy for President of the BRING RANDY HOME fanclub. I will do whatever it takes to get Randy Winn in blue and white next year. Throw money at him, throw girls at him, do whatever it takes to get this guy on our team. He is the perfect type guy to step into RF next year. Quietly produces in all facets (offense 111 wOBA+, defense .943 RZR in RF in 2008, speed 25/27 SB’s). I am not sure on his contract status, but he made $8,875,000 this year for the Giants. They are a team in full rebuild mode with many holes. I would trade any 2 of Edwin, Riggans, Niemann, Talbot, Hammel.
I WILL NOT REST UNTIL RANDY IS BACK HOME WHERE HE BELONGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a Randytarian and we are going to WINN
BYAHHHH!
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2008 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
You Randytarians are nutjobs
I would like to announce MY candidacy for President of the BRING AUBREY HOME fanclub! Why would you want more of the same ineffective smallball antics from my opponent when you can have the throbbing power and grace of this franchise’s all-time home run leader back at the Trop, where he belongs? Vote for Change. Vote for Aubrey.
Just like my opponent to use personal insults,
but what he is not telling you is that Aubrey is having a career year putting up numbers he hasn’t approached in 6 years. My opponent wants you to think this is change and he is right, one-year change and then it is back to the same old Aubrey rolling over to first and jacking off in the hotel. I’m a Randytarian and I approve this message.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just like my opponent to ignore the facts
He’d have you believe that Aubrey is a one-year flash in the pan, but the truth is, he’s got the experience. He’s never known life outside the AL East except for a brief expedition as an AL embassator to Houston of the NL. He’d have you believe it’s all a fluke. But the fact is, he’s still a power hitter, and that’s what this team needs. Not another leadoff candidate. Aubrey Huff is the man for the job.
Let us also not forget that Randy Winn was in cohorts with one Barry Lamar Bonds, the SAME Barry Bonds currently facing federal charges for Perjury! At least MY candidate is willing to face his past!
Honesty. Integrity. Aubrey.
by kericr on Sep 15, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How's this little fact:
Aubrey Huff is the George W. Bush of Right Field. A bumbling klutz that can’t stop tripping over himself. Randy Winn is silky like a stained dress. Gracefully galloping from line to wall. He knows this outfield after years of serving his team there. A claim my opponent cannot make.
Randy has been exiled for close to 2,200 days. Don’t you think it is time to bring him home? The man’s only crime is being a switch-hitting, base-stealing, ball-catching, game-winning player. Yes, he doesn’t have throbbing power, but he also will bring diversity to this team. Ask yourself, do you really want another old, white guy out there in this lineup? It’s time for change, and the only candidate that can bring it to you is Dwight Randolph Winn.
A vote for Aubrey is a vote for hypocrisy.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You call my candidate Old?
Winn is a whole three years older than the youthful explosiveness that is our Aubrey Huff. And I can’t believe you played the race card, once again diverting attention to the real issues of this election. Aubrey Huff is full of grit and hustle and intangibles and more importantly, is easier to control, something my opponent simply cannot say about himself.
Aubrey Huff was born US American from the Rust Belt of Marion, OH, while my opponent will claim to be a down-to-earth man of the people, but he was born amongst the glitz, glamor, and lights of LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA! He’s as down to earth as the Moon! Randy Winn has never been a part of this community. I bet Randy doesn’t even like strip clubs.
A vote for Randy Winn is a vote for more of the same.
P.S.
I’m not touching that throbbing power.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I propose a new meme
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
It certainly was
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 16, 2008 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Ibanez: C-R-A-W
Maddon: Very good Raul, you spelled Craw. Not sit here on this bench and wait for your next AB.
you need to include OOZ plays with RZR. and STATS zone rating matters, too
combining all that and you get Justin’s fielding ratings, which put Ibanez at -13 runs this year.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pfk_WuYpfdux2FC_hs6ROEQ&gid=1
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Sep 16, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
on the off-chance you're being serious, Hinske's Marcel is .251/.335/.451
and that’s with basically only hitting against righties this year. Ibanez is a career .270/.324/.415 hitter against lefties. and .295/.357/.500 against righties.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
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I was referencing playing Ibanez on defense, because Hinske has played a lot of “defense” this year and he’s been every bit as bad as Ibanez.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
oh, the fact that Hinske is allowed to play the field? Uh, yeah. Hmmm.
although, Hinske’s not quite as bad. Ibanez is at -13 runs and Hinske’s at -4 according to STATS and BIS zone ratings. I’m sure Ibanez has played more in the outfield, but not three times as much. and he’s even worse historically.
Gabe Gross rules!
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Ibanez's defense makes baby Jesus cry.
Can we do any better? I mean, CC’s not moving to RF; and even if he did, his arm isn’t really that good. Then we get to deal with this defensive disaster in either of the corner outfield spots and just the thought of that gives me ulcers.
I like his Lumber, but only if he’s OK with being a full-time DH.
Career .857 OPS against RHP
I would like to see a Rocco/Ibanez DH Platoon, but Ibanez can his decent against LHP too.
2009 Line-up versus RHP if we get Ibanez
1.LF Carl Crawford
2.CF BJ Upton
3.3B Evan Longoria
4.1B Carlos Pena
5.DH Raul Ibanez
6.RF Gabe Gross
7.C Dioner Navarro
8.SS Jason Bartlett
9.2B Akinori Iwamura
If “Beejus power” returns and CC bounces back next year(and doesn’t complain about leading off) this line-up could definantly score some runs.
Dan Johnson?
If you’re looking for the LHB part of a DH platoon, what’s wrong with Dan Johnson?
Yeesh
how many platoons are we gonna have? I’m not sure it makes sense to platoon both at DH and RF.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Platoons are the new walks.
Market inefficiency.
by Peter Bendix on Sep 15, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe so
But a team can’t really afford to have two different platoons at positions where there isn’t some defensive flexibility. Platoon DH is something I’d rather avoid, but if we ALSO have a platoon RF, that really just kills Maddon’s ability to futz with the lineup effectively, and we all know he’s going to do it whether or not he has the personnel to do so.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
But I still think it'd work.
Besides, it’s the FO’s job to get the best players on the team, and then to make sure they have a manager who can utilize those pieces correctly. I agree that a DH platoon might not be the best thing, but it could be a lot better (and cheaper) than the alternatives.
Like signing Raul Ibanez.
by Peter Bendix on Sep 15, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He would be a solid fit
Although I wouldn’t mind having Dan Johnson be our LH DH.
And also it is foolish to compare stats of a full time player to one of a platoon. It is like trying to extrapolate your scoring rate with fat ugly girls to all girls. You have to compare apples to apples.
Ibanez is a far better hitter than anyone that is residing in any one of our platoons. Frankly it isn’t even close either. We could possibly get close to his production by using multiple guys to fill one position. Of course we lose roster spots by doing that.
I actually think this would be a good fit.
A .290/.350/.480 bat is always a steal, and if he’s just going to DH he’s worth having.
But please play him in the field sometimes. I’m sure there would be GIFs and that they’d find there way to LL, which is something I’d be very grateful for. Raul GIFs are good for everyone
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Ibanez or Thome?
Thome’s 2 years older but the Sox most likely won’t pick up his $13M option for next season. In Thome you’d get more power and he has a career .406 OBP/ .562 SLG%.
Chicks dig the long ball!
not sure it's fair to quote Thome's career numbers since he's past his prime
try a Marcel projection over at The Hardball Times
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Sep 16, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
how about go big or go home
Dunn anyone? If he is out there, he can kill a ball but he also K a lot too. So yea…
Andrew Friedman & co are really smart.
And really smart front offices understand that they should not commit much to 37-year-olds who cannot play the field. Yes, Ibanez has a decent stick, but he’s old and his bat isn’t that good. Chances are, the Rays can find supposed 4-A talent freely available that can replicate Ibanez’s likely numbers, except without the risk/commitment.
by Peter Bendix on Sep 15, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and we would give up a 1st rounder on an A-type FA to platoon at DH why?
by davidsmarch on Sep 15, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Wasn't it only 2 to get it highlighted before?
It seems like nothing gets highlighted anymore with the bar set to 5.
i kinda like a high bar,
if something can’t get 4 or 5 recs out of hundreds of people reading, does it really deserve to be neon green?
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by SRQman on Sep 15, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can't get rid of them?
Prally cuz everyone wants to bring back the Winn
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 16, 2008 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I drive around neighborhoods pulling out all of the "Bring Back Winn" signs
In other news, I think we’ve beaten this wonderful joke to death.
What about Willy?
Weren’t there discussions of having him be a full-time DH? Then we have a man against both righties and lefties AND he can play in the field? That’s flexibility!
I'd love to see Raul Ibanez as our DH
He’s a good hitter and looked pretty good against us. So get him or Thome
Lineups are out, but last time i posted that on a non-GDT someone got upset so i won't post it here
9 = 8
They been out like all my English 101 class
this #@%$ is so boring…
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Nobody got upset.
It’s just pointless to post the lineups outside of a GDT.
That’d be like me posting a game recap in the What Causes GIDP’s? thread.
except your recap isn't "news," and it is likely that there would be a recap thread.
when i posted the lineup, there was no GDT and it was like news
9 = 8
by walkoffwalk on Sep 16, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Then make a fanshot
if you think its that important they’re posted right away.
This is a ridiculous argument.
When did this site stop posting recaps after losses?
I think it’s bad form. It’s like removing your Bucs car flag after the team loses.
You're right
It is much more satisfying to rip out the car flags of the other team.
FACT: Only Women and Sailors have car flags
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 16, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
STP wasn't around and I didn't want to step on his toes with a recap.
So instead I spent some time during the game doing a humor post.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 16, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what STP was thinking about in the shower last night.....
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Just went back and realized a recap hasn't been posted since the last game in the last Boston series
Just making sure it’s a coincidence that all of the following days had games that ended in a Rays loss.
It is more of STP being lazy
or emo.
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