9/19: MIN (83-70) at RAYS (90-61)
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Sep 19, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
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PrintMinnesota Twins at Tampa Bay Rays, Sep 19, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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Pitching Matchup:
| IP | tRA | + | K/9 | BB/9 | K/BB | HR/9 | OPS | WHIP | G/F | P/IP | ||
| MIN | RH N. Blackburn |
180.2 | 4.75 | 100 | 4.53 | 1.54 | 2.94 | 1.05 | .752 | 1.31 | 1.27 | 14.77 |
| RAYS | RH E. Jackson |
168.1 | 5.66 | 84 | 5.29 | 3.90 | 1.36 | 1.18 | .794 | 1.49 | 0.96 | 16.54 |
GO RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hinske's back in, but at least he's dropped to 8th.
Akinori Iwamura, 2B
Jason Bartlett, SS (yeah, still)
Carlos Pena, 1B
Evan Longoria, 3B
Cliff Floyd, DH
Dioner Navarro, C
Gabe Gross, RF
Eric Hinske, LF
Fernando Perez, CF
No but at least. Hinske should be banished.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
Maybe not, but, I've mega-loathed him for a long time now. Far longer than a month.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
I know you've always mega-loathed his defense.
But his April and June should have given you enough to not hate him entirely until at least mid August.
Meh, the important thing is we both hate him now.
Hinske isn't that terrible
as long as he doesn’t play in the field. He has legitimate 20-25 HR pop and has had his share of good games for the Rays this year. I can’t hate on him too much.
www.raysbb.com
Yes, we really do have fans.
I can hate on him. He plays the field, which is bad (I realize it's not his decision).
And for the second half of the season, he’s hit roughly like Adam Kennedy.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
Dude, he is that terrible.
From June 29th up until today, he’s been absolutely putrid.
He had an amazing April and a pretty great June, but outside of that he’s been awfully bad.
His post ASB break OPS is down to .630.
I guess it's time for another episode of Eric Hinske's September OPS watch...
.171/.237/.200 – .437 OPS.
So, what do you guys think? Does it go up or down today?
Up
He’s set the threshold so low that I’m betting he gets on base at least once to raise his OBP.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Sep 19, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
None of these Twins pitchers have very imposing numbers
They’re all extremely hittable and give up tons of HRs. We’ll need a good performance from the offense tonight with E-Jax on the bump.
www.raysbb.com
Yes, we really do have fans.
Minnesota's bullpen, outside of The Hummer, resembles ours last year.
I think we’ll be fine this weekend.
by ReasonableDoubt on Sep 19, 2008 6:14 PM EDT reply actions
Zobrist has been unlucky in terms of BABIP.
But even so he’s not as good in left as Ruggiano. Compared to Hinske’s 36 chances in left Zobrist is 6.2 plays (or ~5 runs) better while Ruggiano is 14.42 plays better (or ~11.5 runs). Obviously Zobrist and Ruggiano’s splits are about half each of what Hinske has, but Ruggiano really should be playing in the outfield over Zobrist.
Both fluctuate.
And why would that make BABIP a bad tool for hitters? Hitting line drives is good.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes high or low LD% are unsustainable and extreme.
That goes for pitchers as well.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
MVP:
8th inning PH Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeej Uptonnnnnnnn
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
Also
Does Min pitch to Longoria or does he see unintentional intentional walks all night?
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
surprise surprise
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
Edwin would be the one to clinch our playoff berth.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
leadoff walk
95 on that last pitch was nice
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 19, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Aki tripppi
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
he's what 22 and he already looks rotund
not a good sign
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 19, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Jason Bartlett is a run producer
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
or more correctly... feauxhawks
All things LONGORIA!
by RalphieTheRay on Sep 19, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Senor Pain needs a hawk
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
I would think it would depend on the string that you reside upon
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 19, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Longlorious
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
EVAN IS BACK
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 19, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
wooot woot Big Red
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
Liriano aside
All these Twins pitchers are extremely hittable.
www.raysbb.com
Yes, we really do have fans.
Now would be a good time to mention RISP regression
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 19, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
/miss
/miss
/miss
/miss
/foultip
/miss
/miss
/miss
by ReasonableDoubt on Sep 19, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh.
Thats the clumsiest ninja turtle I’ve ever seen.
by Vin on Sep 19, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Delmon swinging at ball 4 makes me smile
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I live near the one in Palm Harbor
Nothing to write home about. Go to Checkers.
by ReasonableDoubt on Sep 19, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
In'N'Out Burger...
or whatever it’s called… out west. I’ve heard people rave about them… Anyone had one?
All things LONGORIA!
by RalphieTheRay on Sep 19, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It's out fucking standing
but you gotta know the menu cuz they only list like 2 things but theres a million combinations
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 19, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
and what do you recommend?
I’ll be in AZ next month and LV in November. I’m going to have to try it out. I don’t travel much, but by coincidence I will be alot shortly.
All things LONGORIA!
by RalphieTheRay on Sep 19, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is unavilable tonight?
I am assuming just Price(his start is getting too close!) and Wheeler(doghouse for at least a game you would think)
GGGG
Good Gabe Gross Grit
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
No TV's in class :(
and would it? I’m not sure
Wait, Nando is our minor league player of the year?
Oh my goodness Tim Beckham get good, get good now.
Hellboy, Davis, price, Jaso, and Matt Moore are not amused.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I assume it's only for positional players.
Which means Jaso and Nando and…uh…Fronk?
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
...Get good Beckham/Otero, get good right now
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
OR MOST LIKELY
They want a DP from a GB PITCHER
by Cory Alexander on Sep 19, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN insider chat today with Crasnick i think.. Guy asks if Perez will stay and upton be dealt in off season..
The guy was like .. Bro WTF are you talking about.. Upton is younger and better in all facets.. there will be 20 teams lined up if upton was on the block.. Idiot..
Most people are stupid.
I cannot wait for one of the dumb fucks on radio to say Perez is better than Upton.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
shut the fuck up you ESPN assholes
go sit in a REAL seat at the Trop and tell me you dont have a good time
THANKS FOR FOULING OF BALL FOUR C-PAIN
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Bases Loaded for Longo...I'm wet
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
HOW IS BABBY FORMED HOW GIRL GET PRAGNENT
by HAHAHA OH WOW on Sep 19, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
They do way to instain mother
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Please use better grammar.
Being that this is your fourth chance.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhhh fuck well...ILL TAKE IT
Is that a Sac Fly for Evan, or just an RBI?
Chat with Jerry Crasnick :
Brian (Tampa Bay): Got a two-part question for you today, Jerry. With the way Fernando Perez has stepped up his game on the field and at the plate, what are the chances the Rays try and move BJ Upton in the offseason? And which team(s) do you see making a bid for Upton should the Rays indeed try and trade him?
SportsNation Jerry Crasnick: Brian, Fernando Perez is certainly intriguing with his speed, but I don’t think the Rays are sufficiently convinced that he can hit at the big league level that they’ll trade BJ Upton. For what it’s worth, Upton is actually a year younger than Perez. If Andrew Friedman did throw Upton’s name out there, I can think of maybe 15 teams that would be quite interested.
If Jackson blows this, I will never trust him again
because i know its usually hit or miss but this would be the end
so, stay good, Jackson
if this half assed backdoor shenanigans flank steakbullshit way for the rays to clinch tonight ACTUALLY HAPPENS
i’ll be upset for .0000001 seconds and still go to tomorrows game and PARTY HARD
How about we just score 3 every inning?
I guess I am being a little too concerned with the pen but more plz!
When (If) we clinch the AL EAST we need to embed Andrew WK's "Party Party Party" on the front page
and fill it with fiddlecats for the day
WHOS GONNA GET THIS PARTY STARTEDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
They keep saying how much weight Bonsner lost
I forgot how big he was but damn if he lost that much and still looks like this…..ok i have no idea how to finish that sentance
He likes sucking lard from the tub
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I am still pissed about last night so I tuned in late, but I found a video that makes me happy
It’s a beauty queen that makes Miss Teen South Carolina look smart.
i love going to the Boston forums to feel smart
they call us the Tampa Bay Devil Gays
1) Can you think of a lamer, more immature joke?
2) We aren’t even the Devil Rays
"It would not surprise me if this man became a BIG TIME major league pitcher"
SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.
All I need is J.M. to pop in and give his 10 cents on Ben Zobrist
its alright
we know better, next season Price will take his job and EJ will either be traded or pitch a inning or 2 out of the pen
Well, I hope anyway
wow
In Washington tonight, 58-95 San Diego faces 58-95 Washington
How many people you think went? (I dont know the answer but i would doubt it got sold out…..)
i dont know but ill bet espn makes a rays joke out of it
those rat bastids
by HAHAHA OH WOW on Sep 19, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Best Names In Recent Baseball History
We need to get a list going.
1. Boof Bonser
2. Esteban Yan
nothing beats God Shamgod in any sport
by HAHAHA OH WOW on Sep 19, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
true
as a kid during attendance… Is God present? …. No, that’s right….. God has the Chicken Pox and will be out for a week. If anyone recently was around God… you may be scratching alot soon.
All things LONGORIA!
by RalphieTheRay on Sep 19, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
shit
it needs to be very clear to be over turned and the camera angle(from what they have shown anyway) is not clear
I missed some epic offense tonight, haven't I?
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
I was about to ask
Has Jackson been good tonight or “good”?
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
Delmon out on a DP
lulz
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
Who has the "IMA FIRIN MAH LAZER!!" pic?
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
Oh jesus christ....
…we can’t get a better chant going than this shit?
by ReasonableDoubt on Sep 19, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
3-3 in the Jays game Bottom 6th
its not what i want but right now everything is either going right or very close for us to make that miracle clinch,….
Am I late on this or did anyone else see that David Price and Fernando Perez got Minor League Pitcher/Player of the year?
Here’s the best of the rest:
Durham Bulls
Player of the Year: INF Dan Johnson
Pitcher of the Year: RHP Mitch Talbot
Vero Beach Devil Rays
Player of the Year: OF Ryan Royster
Pitcher of the Year: RHP Jeremy Hellickson
Hudson Valley Renegades
Player of the Year: OF Kyeong Kang
Pitcher of the Year: RHP Nick Barnese
Dominican Summer League
Player of the Year: OF Cesar Guillen
Pitcher of the Year: RHP Juan Wilsino
Montgomery Biscuits
Player of the Year: INF Chris Nowak
Pitcher of the Year: RHP Wade Davis
Columbus Catfish
Player of the Year: OF Reid Fronk
Pitcher of the Year: RHP Jesse Darcy
Princeton Rays
Player of the Year: INF Elias Otero
Pitcher of the Year: LHP Matt Moore
Venezuelan Summer League
Player of the Year: C Alejandro Torres
Pitcher of the Year: RHP Deivis Mavares
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
.691 OPS and he did have 110 K in 426 AB
so yeah, he did kinda suck. I wonder what that says for the rest of the guys on the team!
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, I'm impressed.
May -.838 OPS
June -.868
July -.379
August -.910
Sept -.912
I dunno WTF happened in July.
Edwin Jackson
Making lucky look good since 2008
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
if we can win his games
i dont care if he is lucky or good
and it would be awesome of him if he can keep eating up these innings
that crazy clinch thing wont happen tonight
Royals down 6-0 to the White Sox
its ok, lets do it tomorrow
Nice little story about Price movin up on milb.com
Also talks about others including Talbot getting the September nod. Here’s the link….
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
Can we continue the slaughter now?
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
Percy won't see action
Unless Edwin/Niemann REALLY fail
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
Selfish lazy bastard.
Or does that not apply to Percival?
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Milwaukee losing 10-2
Are they ever going to win again?
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
Was Percival's IP last nite an abberation? Or could he possible have 2 nites in a row where he doesnt give up a run?
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
That is so awful.
“Well, unless it’s a close game I’d rather not pitch with my back hurting.”
If your back hurts enough that you can’t pitch whenever, then frankly you shouldn’t be pitching at all, and especially not in situations that count.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I might make this into a post.
It’s so stupid to try and play hurt.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
10 run lead = Not safe
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
You're right
We need more
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
Scores.....
White Sox 6-3 over KC Top 5th
RedSux 3 Jays 3 Bottom 7th
Yanks 3 O’s 2 Bottom 7th
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
Seriously.
I’m cool if we don’t clinch tonight. I’d rather have the sox lose, especially after giving that game away last night.
This
We can clinch tomorrow. We’e getting in. I’d rather go for the division.
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
Per Normandin everyone up in Boston is panicking about not winning the division.
I told him the Cliff Floyd quote: “We’re fine with the wild card, no, no we’re not.”
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
PLZ LET HARRIS PLAY SS
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Good hitter
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad fielder (at SS)
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
All 3 of those suckfest suckers just sucked-out today!
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Last I heard
“When your worst pitcher is Edwin Jackson, things are going pretty well”
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
He throws hard and has double digit wins. Tthey're probably gobbling his cock.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He owns. As usual they're wrong
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Seriously
Who has the Edwin Jackson “IMA FIRIN MY LAZER” pic?
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
Someone posted it during his last start
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
2 on, Camp coming in
Camp’s gonna fuck us over again, isn’t he?
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
I have absolutely NO faith in the Texas staff to hold any lead
Angels win that one
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
Fucking Awesome.
Our playoff commercial is badass.
by Vin on Sep 19, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Shawn Camp walks the bases loaded
Where have I heard THAT one before?
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
aRoughly 20 times last year?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Scores.....
White Sox 7-3 over KC Bottom 6th
RedSux 4 Jays 3 Top 8th
Yanks 3 O’s 2 Bottom 8th
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions
Yanks are gonna have Mo next inning
The ONLY good thing that could of happened from a Red Sox win wont happen :|
What are our needs going into the off season?
My 1st choice is someone to replace Percy and Hammel. A new LHP out of the bullpen would be nice too. Perez/Baldelli in right? Or Perez in CF Upton in RF and Baldelli as 4th OF?
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
What exactly would be on? We dont have many holes in the starting lineup except RF and maybe an upgrade to Aki
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, i'll take that...but floyd already is commited to 09 and Maddon obviously likes his leadership skills, does he return a Ray?
If so, that leaves RF and 2B as far as non pitchers go
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I will kill someone if he's brought back based on leadership skills.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You would be kicking Maddon and his "mohowak"
There are sooooo many better options than Floyd, however…….
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Parrish gets out of it
4-3 Sox, Mid 8th
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Not anymore it won't
: )
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
At least early 1st rounders
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
this is awesome
for some reason the espn broadcast isn’t blacked out on espnhd! (i’m in orlando and i don’t have fsn) regular espn is playing espnews like normal when the rays are on espn. this is win!
Don't we all ready have problems with flyball and high walk pitchers in high leverage situations?
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 19, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
MOAR RUNZ
Why the hell not?
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
wow im a real genius
I wanted the first 7.5 innings on FSN florida which wasnt in HD, i have it on ESPN now…..
Fuck
Oh well. Think Niemann can hold a 10 run lead?
Certainties in Life: Death, Taxes, and Gabe Gross coming through in the ninth
I predict the future well, usually
I am predicting the Orioles beat Rivera, now that would be impressive if im right
Good to see at least 1 of the Rice trio male it
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
I think we will win 97
which cant be explained in words
and although the injurys sck, our best guys will be rested
I hope theres no champagne if we win tomorrow
I don’t want us celebrating unless we win the division
So this game tonite does what to Edwin's confidence?
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
His command was always his problem
but the kid has always had talent.
by putupyourDUKES on Sep 19, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
DAMN IT
I have to work tomorrow. Man, if there was never a better time to call off….I HAVE to be at that game!
by TheUltimateBucFan on Sep 19, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
Pena makes me at least curious to watch bravo
All things LONGORIA!
by RalphieTheRay on Sep 19, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
not that there's anything wrong with...
loving C-LOS
All things LONGORIA!
by RalphieTheRay on Sep 19, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
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