Recap: Odd Start for Kazmir

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 4, 2008 11:01 PM EDT Comment 27 comments

This is going to be a bit unorganized but I have a few points to through out on Kazmir.

Six Innings

When you consider he had a 20+ pitch first and he ended his night five innings later with 98 total. After back-to-back sub-five inning starts to begin August Kazmir has went 5, 6, 6, 5.1, and now 6 in his last five starts.

Five walks/57% strikes

Kazmir's control was iffy tonight, look at the throw to Nady early on for proof. I'm not too happy about either measure, but with one hit countering the excess amount of free passes he didn't get burned. Which brings up...

One hit/11 strikes swinging

Encouraging.

Six groundballs/Five flyballs

Encouraging, although I would love to see just a few more of those flyballs turn into groundballs.

Seven strikeouts

Encouraging.

80% Fastballs

Dioner Navarro lied when he said Kazmir used all of his pitches. What he meant to say was Kaz used all one pitch. It worked tonight, but I still would like to see him mix his change and slider back into rotation more.

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also durham got the crap kicked out of them tonight 19-3

talbot sucked and so did mason, so now that series is tied 1-1

and who called 6 inninngs for kaz today? ya me!

Longo=ROY. Friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Gabe Gross= clutch.

by RaysOfHope on Sep 4, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This was dissapointing

I am going to the DH in Baltimore and was hoping to see Talbot pitch one of those games, now it may be Price or Niemann.

Yes I really said that, while both Niemann and Price are more electrifying, Talbot is the better pitcher of the three at this point from what I have seen in person over the last 2 years in Durham.

by Dbullsfan on Sep 4, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Was tonite a 'tune up'?

by sternfan1 on Sep 4, 2008 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How many times have you seen Price pitch?

I dont doubt Talbot has been impressive, but please dont compare his 2 seasons in Durham to Price’s 4 starts.

by td32 on Sep 5, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Honestly, Price can beat the O's on stuff alone

Especially if they start Lance Cormier.

by rglass44 on Sep 5, 2008 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Price against Justin Upton would be a classic example of

The unstoppable force versus the immovable object. I’m pretty sure their encounter would produce a chain-reaction at the sub-atomic level on par with 1,000,000 times the force of the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. For the sake of mankind I hope they never face eachother.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 5, 2008 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

also, everyone understand why i dont like jason hammel? he is a young gary glover

Longo=ROY. Friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Gabe Gross= clutch.

by RaysOfHope on Sep 4, 2008 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Actually

Evidently, Gary Glover is James Shields without movement on his pitches, according to his PitchFX data. Kinda scary actually. Same five pitches with the same velocity though.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Sep 5, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but shields dont throw a meatball lol

hammel is alright, but this doesnt look good for him trying to make the postseason roster, i was actually starting to think that he was figuring out how to pitch better, but now i know why he is the last guy out of the pen

Longo=ROY. Friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Gabe Gross= clutch.

by RaysOfHope on Sep 5, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

carmen electra was with us tonight.

giving us a 2-minute lap dance… and while more would have been nice. i am satisfied

by daveh33 on Sep 4, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Any Talbot fans out there?

Holy Fuck

19-3

by sternfan1 on Sep 4, 2008 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

talbot had a bounce back season this year

but i dont see a future for him as a ray, he might be a cup of coffee with the rays when the AAA post season is over, but i next year our pitching staff will be too full for him

Longo=ROY. Friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Gabe Gross= clutch.

by RaysOfHope on Sep 4, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Talbot didn't give up all those runs

And basing him on one start is stupid.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 5, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No comment on Hammel?

This POS cannot beused again

And why was he protected all year?

by sternfan1 on Sep 4, 2008 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i agree with you

i cant stand jason hammel, he reminds me of a mix of gary glover and boof bonser

Longo=ROY. Friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Gabe Gross= clutch.

by RaysOfHope on Sep 4, 2008 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So why did we waste a roster spot with this POS all year?

by sternfan1 on Sep 4, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he started out the year pretty good as a starter, but since they he is a wpos to me

i was hopeing that he wouldnt be on the team this late into the season, but now with this performance, there is no way that he comes close to the post season roster, i rather throw david price in there and see how he does

Longo=ROY. Friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Gabe Gross= clutch.

by RaysOfHope on Sep 5, 2008 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Other than tonight

He’s been above-average most of the year.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Sep 5, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he is gone in less than a month i bet

Longo=ROY. Friedman=Executive of the year. Maddon=Manager of the year. Gabe Gross= clutch.

by RaysOfHope on Sep 5, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If he's been around this long

He’ll be around until at least Spring Training, unless he gets traded. He’s not getting waived or DFAed. He’s still a young pitcher with good stuff who is pre-arbitration. They’ll keep him just in case they trade away some of our pitching depth.

For those of us with short memories, don’t forget what Howell’s and Jackson’s ERAs looked like last year.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Sep 5, 2008 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damn - I missed the 9th!

Cripes, after chatting with you all through 8 I missed all the fun.

Hammell has been better than the cast that has been cast off over the course of the year (Dohmann, Reyes, Glover), and has some value as a young long reliever to the Rays or someone. Made significant progress this season. Guy gives up 5 runs with a 7 run lead – BFD. Mop up work is throw strikes, let them hit. Apparently too many good strikes today, and he does surrender too many HR’s, but at a lower rate than Percival for example. Not a stud, but he’s the last guy in the pen.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Sep 5, 2008 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs