Recap: Greg Zaun? Seriously?

by P Brady on Sep 6, 2008 5:25 PM EDT Comment 97 comments

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RIP Troy Percivals good standing among Tampa Bay Rays fans.

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troy percival's ass is fatter and less enticing than that of ortiz

by daveh33 on Sep 6, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not touching this.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Percival will not tell the truth about his condition

His vanity is costing the team.

by Gator80 on Sep 6, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Percy you are so amazing

a walk-off GS from a catcher who squatted 13 innings, NICE

by catsondbs on Sep 6, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What is Madden thinking?

Loyalty is one thing but throwing away a season on a broken down horse is another, think about all the other players on the team, don’t they deserve something?

by Gator80 on Sep 6, 2008 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Percy is a "veteran"

He has what it takes to lead us through the mythical journey that is September.

Veteran leadership = overrated as hell.

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Yes, we really do have fans.

by killa3312 on Sep 6, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He's at the point where he's hurting the team more than helping it.

16BB/16K, 6HR, 7.10ERA, 7.5H/9 since the start of June.

That is exceptionally horrible.

by Vin on Sep 6, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

To be fair, he pretty much struck out Rolen

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That really doesn't matter.

by Vin on Sep 6, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It matters a lot. He threw 1 ball to Rolen and walked him.

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by Tyler on Sep 6, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

dude umps just hate the rays

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by RaysOfHope on Sep 6, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, it doesn't.

Give Rolen a K and he’s still been miserable since the start of June

15BB/17K, 5HR, 5.13ERA, 7.10H/9

by Vin on Sep 6, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not saying that Percy should be our closer. I don't think he should.

We should go to a closer by committee. First of all, it makes the most sense to not have our best relievers locked into a roll. Plus, unlike the Red Sox (they tried this, and it failed miserably), our relievers have shown that they are not affected by when they are used in the closers role or earlier in the game.

But it does matter within the context of this game.

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by Tyler on Sep 6, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i hate that phrase.

mostly because a closer isn’t important. instead of focusing on who closes on games, the focus should be on who the best reliever is and how you can use him the best.

but i agree, in the sense that in the ideal usage of our bullpen, there will be multiple relievers who earn saves the rest of the way. i just don’t want to talk about the saves

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 7, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In the context of today's game, it is crucuial, and it takes runs off his ERA.

Umps get the call right, Rays win, we’re not having this conversation.

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's sucked for a while, but the point remains he was screwed on that call

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So he got squeezed a little.

It’s not the first time that’s happened to a pitcher, and it definitely doesn’t mean you should throw this on your next pitch.

Also, if you’re going to excuse him because of the bad umpiring, you might as well excuse him for the Inglett error in the 9th. After all, this game shouldn’t have even gone into extra innings.

by Vin on Sep 6, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not excusing his performance.

I’m simply saying he did get screwed on a call.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, ok.

I guess it really doesn’t matter anyway.

I just feel like we’ve got another Brian Stokes situation. We’ve got a guy who simply isn’t good enough to be pitching in close games pitching in close games. Only this time there’s an obvious reason why Maddon won’t ever be asked to change Percival’s role. It fucking sucks.

by Vin on Sep 6, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well yes he should've gotten Zaun out because Zaun sucks.

But for today, he should’ve never been in that situation. It does matter that the umpires blow calls that easy.

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Zaun doesn't suck

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 7, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Umm...well, he is an elite baseball player because he's playing in the big leagues,

but in compared to other baseball players playing in the majors, he’s not very good.

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by Tyler on Sep 7, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're right, he's sucked this year

but over the past few years he’s been a league-average hitter, which is pretty good for a catcher. that’s what i was remembering

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 7, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

dan wheeler should be the closer, but you go tell percy he is going to be a mid reliever

maybe percy this offseason will reliase that he doesnt have “it” anymore and will retire, we all knew that this was bound to happen soon (him getting lit up and surrending runs)

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by RaysOfHope on Sep 6, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wheeler is like our 3rd best reliever.

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by Tyler on Sep 6, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

either him, balfour or howell as closer than

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by RaysOfHope on Sep 6, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or, not have a closer and do it by committee.

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by Tyler on Sep 6, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ya that worked pretty good earlier this year with balfour, howell and wheeler all shared it

but they wont do it since it will take a couple of this type of outings in a row for percy to be removed from the closer’s role, but by then we might be in second place

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by RaysOfHope on Sep 6, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Percy as closer

Yup, that sure worked…

9=8
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by JMB on Sep 6, 2008 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

over 9000 hours in mspaint

by HAHAHA OH WOW on Sep 6, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

by HAHAHA OH WOW on Sep 6, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is horribly hillarious.

by kericr on Sep 6, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Show me what a team does in SEP,

I’ll sjow you a good team

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

that's a bit of some selective sampling, no?

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 7, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Please STOP with bashing the umps

They don’t hate anyone

Right or wrong, good or bad they call em as they see em

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

ill stop bashing the umps, when you stop bashing the rays

they wouldve won today if percy wasnt pitching like crap, also evan longoria should be ready to start games in a couple of days so dont talk about a bad sept yet, sept has only begun and are still the best team in baseball

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by RaysOfHope on Sep 6, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You didn't just say they would have won "if"

OMG you are a complete dumb ass

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok then their chances of winning wouldve been better with wheeler or balfour as the closer then

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by RaysOfHope on Sep 6, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Welcome to D-Rays Bay!

I hope you enjoy your stay. The level of intelligence in these discussions is high, and we all look forward to you adding your stellar contributions to this fine community. :)

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who cares if they weren't trying to screw the Rays?

They blew it, and we have the technology to eliminate them blowing ball/strike calls completely. The 2.2 inch margin of error Pitch F/X has is smaller than any umpire alive’s margin of error. Yes, he just called it like he saw it. But he saw it like shit, and if we can get it right every time, why shouldn’t we? The players should decide the outcomes of the game, not the umpires.

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you usw computers to call balls and strikes

you’ve ruined the game

No thanks

In the course of a year the breaks even out

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How do you ruin the game by letting the talent truly decide the outcomes?

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

:et's take it a step further

Let’s play the game on Madden or PS or EA, like i’ve seen referenced here

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Except we're only taking the bias out of the homeplate umpire and strikezones and nothing else.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is like people arguing that gay Marriage will then lead to people marrying dogs and trees and horses.

If you dig deep enough, there’s a connection, but it’s still so far outside the realm of possibility it’s ridiculous

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There is nothing wrong with marrying a tree.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trees can make very caring spouses, and they're always there in times of need when you need something to lean on.

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

if the players didn't play real baseball, you wouldn't know how good to make their video-game characters. duh.

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 7, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

RJ if you truly agree with these bozos the umps cost us today's game

i’ve lost a lot of respect for your insight into the game

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not saying that at all.

Percival being shitty and our offense not coming through lost us the game.

I still dislike human strikezones though, and that extends beyond one game.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am on your side of the strikeaone issue

call the defined zone

None of this bs about low ball umps or high ball umps

Also why or how does a pitcher “earn” that call?

That’s BS

A strike is a strike no matter who is on the hill

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which SHOULD mean you're for pitchfx

We’re not trying to dehumanize the game for the players, we’re trying to equalize it. As you said there’s no reason that certain pitchers should get an extra few inches because they’ve been around forever or are friendly guys. Pitchfx erases that bias and lets the players talents decide the strikes/balls.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It eliminates the ump entirely?

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, it only eliminates the umps control over balls/strikes.

He can still stand there to make safe/out calls and handle the lineup cards. He simply won’t be the final voice on balls and strikes.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK, i'll think about it

See the SP match-up tonite in Arlington?

What do you think?

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bosox hitters are patient

not good for McCarthy

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ya but what about the blown safe/out calls?

like the upton call a couple of weeks ago, if you eliminate the strike/ball control then they should loss all control over everything then

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by RaysOfHope on Sep 6, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Replay.

A call initially needs to be made, after all.

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you can't have computers make safe/out calls, though.

they CAN handle balls/strikes

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 7, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

tennis uses a nice replay system very similar to PITCHf/x

and it eliminates ALL arguing about line calls. if the technology was fast enough, they might as well use it instead of line judges.

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 7, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm hoping i'm wrong

this loss will be tough to bounce back from

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea

cause they couldn’t handle any of the other 60 something losses this year

by rays1234 on Sep 6, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow percival's era is now up to 4.91

maybe he will reliaze this offseason that he no longer can help a team on the field and retire, i bet the angels or rays would offer him a coaching spot

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by RaysOfHope on Sep 6, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well ERA is a not a good evaluating tool, but his tRA sucks too, at 5.15

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what is tRA and how do you get it?

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by RaysOfHope on Sep 6, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

in other words what is the equation for tRA

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by RaysOfHope on Sep 6, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

tRA explanation

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Statcorner is so handy.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hindsight being 20/20

guaranteeing Percy $8 mil=not good idea

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not looking like a good idea right now.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i hope he retires this offseason, same with cliff floyd

both are injury risks and both suck, even though floyd has been ok this year

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by RaysOfHope on Sep 6, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

....what

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cliff Floyd is 9 runs above average.

Here

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 6, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What?

I thought you wanted Percy to hurry back since he was so good.

by rays1234 on Sep 6, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's tough to know what we were getting from Percival when we signed him

but the signs were there after a couple months this season that his ERA was going to balloon going forward.

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 7, 2008 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We've had like 20 posts on it in the past two months.

statcorner.com.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

God.

I hadn’t realized it was that high.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree with this

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 7, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

finally....

he has been exposed…

by death taxes and longoria on Sep 6, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

OT: It's raining like hell at the FSU game and we have a lightning delay.

Today is turning into fail.

9=8
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by JMB on Sep 6, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Question for you. Not Rays related.

Florida plays Miami tonight. For whom do you root?

To put it succinctly, the City of Tampa is part of the Rays in name only. Start showing support for the community's team and that will change. The Rays are St. Petersburg's team and as long as they continue to win, they'll grow on America's hearts because everyone loves an underdog except front-running Tampa. They have the Yankees.

by GatorSphere on Sep 6, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

miami.

9 = 8

by walkoffwalk on Sep 6, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Had to go with Miami

Which worked just as well as going with Percy. Ugh.

9=8
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by JMB on Sep 6, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

69-0 over Western Carolina felt petty good, though

9=8
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by JMB on Sep 6, 2008 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Will i ever get a free fucking donut again?

by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Of the Rays' 55 losses...

this one hurts THE most. More than any friggin other loss this year, this one’s gonna stick in my mind for a long time. Why? Well beyond the obvious in how it happened, if the Rays end up a game behind Boston, look back to 9/6/08 and there’s why.

Hopefully for me, Florida kicks Miami’s ass tonight so the day’s not a complete wash.

Go Rays, get ’em tomorrow and go into Boston and give ’em HELL!!!!!!

by GatorSphere on Sep 6, 2008 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

oh if florida losses tonight im going to gp crazy!

wow east carolina is killing west virginia 24-3 in the third quarter r they for real?

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by RaysOfHope on Sep 6, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Either Lee or Kirk picked E. Carolina....

on ESPN GameDay. I think it was Kirk Herbstreit who picked the Pirates. I guess they’re not too bad.

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Herbstreit picked the fighting Skip Holtz to win.

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by Tyler on Sep 6, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

they beat virginia tech last week as well

virginia tech deserved that for not playing tyrod taylor, good enough to make a bcs bowl? their strength of schedule will be good since they played against virginia tech and wv, do they play any other ranked oppenents this year?

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