Recap: Greg Zaun? Seriously?
by P Brady on Sep 6, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
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Percival will not tell the truth about his condition
His vanity is costing the team.
Percy you are so amazing
a walk-off GS from a catcher who squatted 13 innings, NICE
What is Madden thinking?
Loyalty is one thing but throwing away a season on a broken down horse is another, think about all the other players on the team, don’t they deserve something?
Percy is a "veteran"
He has what it takes to lead us through the mythical journey that is September.
Veteran leadership = overrated as hell.
www.raysbb.com
Yes, we really do have fans.
He's at the point where he's hurting the team more than helping it.
16BB/16K, 6HR, 7.10ERA, 7.5H/9 since the start of June.
That is exceptionally horrible.
To be fair, he pretty much struck out Rolen
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It matters a lot. He threw 1 ball to Rolen and walked him.
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dude umps just hate the rays
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No, it doesn't.
Give Rolen a K and he’s still been miserable since the start of June
15BB/17K, 5HR, 5.13ERA, 7.10H/9
by Vin on Sep 6, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that Percy should be our closer. I don't think he should.
We should go to a closer by committee. First of all, it makes the most sense to not have our best relievers locked into a roll. Plus, unlike the Red Sox (they tried this, and it failed miserably), our relievers have shown that they are not affected by when they are used in the closers role or earlier in the game.
But it does matter within the context of this game.
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i hate that phrase.
mostly because a closer isn’t important. instead of focusing on who closes on games, the focus should be on who the best reliever is and how you can use him the best.
but i agree, in the sense that in the ideal usage of our bullpen, there will be multiple relievers who earn saves the rest of the way. i just don’t want to talk about the saves
In the context of today's game, it is crucuial, and it takes runs off his ERA.
Umps get the call right, Rays win, we’re not having this conversation.
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He's sucked for a while, but the point remains he was screwed on that call
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So he got squeezed a little.
It’s not the first time that’s happened to a pitcher, and it definitely doesn’t mean you should throw this on your next pitch.
Also, if you’re going to excuse him because of the bad umpiring, you might as well excuse him for the Inglett error in the 9th. After all, this game shouldn’t have even gone into extra innings.
by Vin on Sep 6, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not excusing his performance.
I’m simply saying he did get screwed on a call.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, ok.
I guess it really doesn’t matter anyway.
I just feel like we’ve got another Brian Stokes situation. We’ve got a guy who simply isn’t good enough to be pitching in close games pitching in close games. Only this time there’s an obvious reason why Maddon won’t ever be asked to change Percival’s role. It fucking sucks.
by Vin on Sep 6, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yes he should've gotten Zaun out because Zaun sucks.
But for today, he should’ve never been in that situation. It does matter that the umpires blow calls that easy.
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Umm...well, he is an elite baseball player because he's playing in the big leagues,
but in compared to other baseball players playing in the majors, he’s not very good.
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you're right, he's sucked this year
but over the past few years he’s been a league-average hitter, which is pretty good for a catcher. that’s what i was remembering
dan wheeler should be the closer, but you go tell percy he is going to be a mid reliever
maybe percy this offseason will reliase that he doesnt have “it” anymore and will retire, we all knew that this was bound to happen soon (him getting lit up and surrending runs)
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Wheeler is like our 3rd best reliever.
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either him, balfour or howell as closer than
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Or, not have a closer and do it by committee.
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ya that worked pretty good earlier this year with balfour, howell and wheeler all shared it
but they wont do it since it will take a couple of this type of outings in a row for percy to be removed from the closer’s role, but by then we might be in second place
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Show me what a team does in SEP,
I’ll sjow you a good team
Please STOP with bashing the umps
They don’t hate anyone
Right or wrong, good or bad they call em as they see em
by sternfan1 on Sep 6, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ill stop bashing the umps, when you stop bashing the rays
they wouldve won today if percy wasnt pitching like crap, also evan longoria should be ready to start games in a couple of days so dont talk about a bad sept yet, sept has only begun and are still the best team in baseball
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You didn't just say they would have won "if"
OMG you are a complete dumb ass
ok then their chances of winning wouldve been better with wheeler or balfour as the closer then
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Who cares if they weren't trying to screw the Rays?
They blew it, and we have the technology to eliminate them blowing ball/strike calls completely. The 2.2 inch margin of error Pitch F/X has is smaller than any umpire alive’s margin of error. Yes, he just called it like he saw it. But he saw it like shit, and if we can get it right every time, why shouldn’t we? The players should decide the outcomes of the game, not the umpires.
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If you usw computers to call balls and strikes
you’ve ruined the game
No thanks
In the course of a year the breaks even out
How do you ruin the game by letting the talent truly decide the outcomes?
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
:et's take it a step further
Let’s play the game on Madden or PS or EA, like i’ve seen referenced here
This is like people arguing that gay Marriage will then lead to people marrying dogs and trees and horses.
If you dig deep enough, there’s a connection, but it’s still so far outside the realm of possibility it’s ridiculous
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There is nothing wrong with marrying a tree.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Trees can make very caring spouses, and they're always there in times of need when you need something to lean on.
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RJ if you truly agree with these bozos the umps cost us today's game
i’ve lost a lot of respect for your insight into the game
I'm not saying that at all.
Percival being shitty and our offense not coming through lost us the game.
I still dislike human strikezones though, and that extends beyond one game.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I am on your side of the strikeaone issue
call the defined zone
None of this bs about low ball umps or high ball umps
Also why or how does a pitcher “earn” that call?
That’s BS
A strike is a strike no matter who is on the hill
Which SHOULD mean you're for pitchfx
We’re not trying to dehumanize the game for the players, we’re trying to equalize it. As you said there’s no reason that certain pitchers should get an extra few inches because they’ve been around forever or are friendly guys. Pitchfx erases that bias and lets the players talents decide the strikes/balls.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it only eliminates the umps control over balls/strikes.
He can still stand there to make safe/out calls and handle the lineup cards. He simply won’t be the final voice on balls and strikes.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, i'll think about it
See the SP match-up tonite in Arlington?
What do you think?
Haven't seen it, but I'll assume it favors Boston.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Bosox hitters are patient
not good for McCarthy
ya but what about the blown safe/out calls?
like the upton call a couple of weeks ago, if you eliminate the strike/ball control then they should loss all control over everything then
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Replay.
A call initially needs to be made, after all.
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tennis uses a nice replay system very similar to PITCHf/x
and it eliminates ALL arguing about line calls. if the technology was fast enough, they might as well use it instead of line judges.
I'm hoping i'm wrong
this loss will be tough to bounce back from
wow percival's era is now up to 4.91
maybe he will reliaze this offseason that he no longer can help a team on the field and retire, i bet the angels or rays would offer him a coaching spot
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Well ERA is a not a good evaluating tool, but his tRA sucks too, at 5.15
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what is tRA and how do you get it?
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in other words what is the equation for tRA
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Hindsight being 20/20
guaranteeing Percy $8 mil=not good idea
It's not looking like a good idea right now.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope he retires this offseason, same with cliff floyd
both are injury risks and both suck, even though floyd has been ok this year
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it's tough to know what we were getting from Percival when we signed him
but the signs were there after a couple months this season that his ERA was going to balloon going forward.
We've had like 20 posts on it in the past two months.
statcorner.com.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
God.
I hadn’t realized it was that high.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 6, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
finally....
he has been exposed…
by death taxes and longoria on Sep 6, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions
OT: It's raining like hell at the FSU game and we have a lightning delay.
Today is turning into fail.
9=8
TRUE Seminole
Question for you. Not Rays related.
Florida plays Miami tonight. For whom do you root?
To put it succinctly, the City of Tampa is part of the Rays in name only. Start showing support for the community's team and that will change. The Rays are St. Petersburg's team and as long as they continue to win, they'll grow on America's hearts because everyone loves an underdog except front-running Tampa. They have the Yankees.
Of the Rays' 55 losses...
this one hurts THE most. More than any friggin other loss this year, this one’s gonna stick in my mind for a long time. Why? Well beyond the obvious in how it happened, if the Rays end up a game behind Boston, look back to 9/6/08 and there’s why.
Hopefully for me, Florida kicks Miami’s ass tonight so the day’s not a complete wash.
Go Rays, get ’em tomorrow and go into Boston and give ’em HELL!!!!!!
To put it succinctly, the City of Tampa is part of the Rays in name only. Start showing support for the community's team and that will change. The Rays are St. Petersburg's team and as long as they continue to win, they'll grow on America's hearts because everyone loves an underdog except front-running Tampa. They have the Yankees.
oh if florida losses tonight im going to gp crazy!
wow east carolina is killing west virginia 24-3 in the third quarter r they for real?
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Either Lee or Kirk picked E. Carolina....
on ESPN GameDay. I think it was Kirk Herbstreit who picked the Pirates. I guess they’re not too bad.
To put it succinctly, the City of Tampa is part of the Rays in name only. Start showing support for the community's team and that will change. The Rays are St. Petersburg's team and as long as they continue to win, they'll grow on America's hearts because everyone loves an underdog except front-running Tampa. They have the Yankees.
Herbstreit picked the fighting Skip Holtz to win.
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they beat virginia tech last week as well
virginia tech deserved that for not playing tyrod taylor, good enough to make a bcs bowl? their strength of schedule will be good since they played against virginia tech and wv, do they play any other ranked oppenents this year?
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Rangers up 9-4 in the 5th
I know the pitching can easily blow that and I know we were 1 out away from a win but very nice to see that the Red Sox still lose games.
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