That Eric Hinske?
Take a look at this list of Rays in order of UZR/150(min. 250 innings at one position). Now, see if a name appears that you wouldn't expect. If that name appears twice and ahead of B.J. Upton, Carlos Pena, Jason Bartlett and Aki Iwamura, then you're thinking along with me.
| Name | Pos | G | GS | UZR/150 |
| Crawford | LF | 108 | 103 | 28.6 |
| Longoria | 3B | 119 | 118 | 17.7 |
| Gross | RF | 120 | 75 | 15.4 |
| Aybar | 3B | 41 | 40 | 13 |
| Hinske | RF | 49 | 47 | 11.6 |
| Hinske | LF | 40 | 37 | 9.9 |
| Upton | CF | 143 | 141 | 5 |
| Pena | 1B | 132 | 131 | 4.5 |
| Bartlett | SS | 125 | 122 | 2 |
| Iwamura | 2B | 152 | 151 | 0.6 |
| Zobrist | SS | 35 | 33 | -15 |
According to UZR/150, Eric Hinske wasn't a bad fielder at all and not nearly as bad as we all made him out to be. Of course he only had 600 innings in the outfield this season, but in those 600 innings he was better than Denard Span, Justin Upton, Matt Kemp and Jay Bruce. How? I do not know.
Hinske hasn't attracted much interest on the open market, except for a possible interest by a Japanese team, but for a team looking for a platoon outfielder or a power bat off the bench, they could do a lot worse that Hinske(I'm looking at you Dayton Moore). If he doesn't end up with a Major League deal or something overseas, I wouldn't mind bringing him back and stashing him away in Durham on a split contract.
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I don't buy his rating.
It’s based on the balls in zone data, Justin uses the same, and while he’s not as bad as you expect, he’s still closer to -5 than 0. This is the only player I’ve seen split like this, so either he’s an outlier or there’s something wrong with the input data.
Can anyone with BJO sub post his +/- numbers?
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 12, 2009 11:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, Eric Hinske can't be a good outfielder
by Tommy Rancel on Jan 12, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop hating on white people!
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by SRQman on Jan 12, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PMR also says he was negative.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/11/13/660346/2008-rf-defense-by-pmr
Usually PMR/UZR/+/-, ect. agree, so I’m thinking there’s something wrong with the data.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 12, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CHONE also has him in the same group as
Cust, Abreu, Shelley Duncan and Jose Guillen
by Tommy Rancel on Jan 12, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just realized I wasn't looking at UZR/150.
Hinske’s plain ol’ UZR in the OF is 5. That doesn’t fit in with the rest of his career. Either he had a flukishly decent defensive season, or the input data was wrong.
I can see the former, I don’t really think MGL or Appelman would make a mistake on the latter.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 12, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why we say three years of defensive data = one year of offensive data.
It’s also why there’s no golden reference for defensive stats.
Use UZR, PMR, and +/- together to get an answer. Generally they tend to agree, this case, not so much.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 12, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
HE IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS
/Denny Green
by Erik Hahmann on Jan 12, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Hinske has a positive UZR in the OF for his entire career
You really think multiple seasons are flukey?
by weebs on Jan 12, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not.
I just don’t understand why everything but UZR says otherwise. Odd.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 12, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You think Upton ranged over to take balls from his range?
I’m a little unclear on how UZR would handle that.
by weebs on Jan 12, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it.
Upton would’ve taken balls from right-center, but that would’ve hurt Hinske I believe (noting it as a play Hinske didn’t make within his zone). I’d have to email MGL to verify though.
I wish we knew the hangtime on an average flyout for Hinske versus average.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 12, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hinske as a good outfielder gives me California Dreams
http://www.lacoctelera.com/myfiles/quefuede/California%20Dreams02.jpg
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 12, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dammit

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 12, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Either he had a flukishly decent defensive season, or the input data was wrong.
I think its rather obvious to everyone who watched him last year that he was a bad defensive player with some of the worst OF range Ive ever seen. Why do you rely so heavily on these numbers, rather then what you saw out of him last year yourself? Clearly either the data is wrong or that statistical measurement is unreliable.
by Rays4242 on Jan 12, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Hinske =
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…Her?
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Jan 12, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by BrendanHarrisLives on Jan 12, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hinske is a TERRIBLE defensive OFer
Soemthign is wrong with that stat
by Rays4242 on Jan 12, 2009 6:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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