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More on Dan Wheeler

I think there's some confusion as to why we're talking about trading Dan Wheeler. I want to clear some of that up.

No, his name hasn't popped up in trade rumors, we aren't saying that it has. We're simply presenting facts as to why he seems like the smarter choice to trade.

Well then are we saying he's a poor pitcher? No.

Here's what we're saying:

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Wheeler's ERA was very shiny. Here's why:

.202 BABIP.
That's with a 17.5% line drive rate. Wheeler's career BABIP is .298, and the three years prior average out to just under that at .288. When this regresses - and yes, it will - it's going to result in more hits, and if Wheeler's homerun issues are still existent - they almost certainly will be - then we're talking about more baserunners for a pitcher who gives up homeruns. You can see the problem there.

78.9 LOB%.
In 2007 his LOB% was way unlucky, 61.5%, naturally it shot up to levels Wheeler's unlikely to maintain. I'm guessing this regresses to the ~75% range, but it could go lower. Again, Wheeler will allow more hits next year, and if his homerun problems flare up...

Wheeler's ERA was also misleading. Here's why:

Declining strikeout rates and velocity.
Wheeler's career K/9 is 8.05, last year it was 7.19. Guys generally don't fall off like that, but Wheeler also saw his velocity drop. Injury, age decline, release point issue? Not sure, still not encouraging news.

Increasing flyball rates.
This plays hand and hand with the homerun problems. For the third consecutive season, Wheeler gave up more flyballs than the year prior. The issues with this are intuitive and don't bare repeating.

Decreased slider usage.
If you've seen Wheeler's slider from the back-angle, it's pretty damn awesome. So why is it that his slider decreased in velocity and usage yet again? In the playoffs, Wheeler seemed reluctant to throw his slider, despite it being his best pitch.

The most concerning...

Wheeler's pLI was 1.72 last year. That's the highest leverage index of his career. Simply put, that means he pitched in the toughest situations of his career. Combined with his highest FIP since the Devil Rays days and you're talking about a bad combination.

Moving forward.
Given all of that, confidence in Wheeler's abilities is shaky. Since 2005 his win values have been: 0.7, 1.7, 0.7, and 0.1 last year. Best case: he's worth ~0.7 wins next year. Worst case: the slide continues downward and we're talking about a replacement level relief pitcher.

Why is Wheeler replaceable?
Because almost all non-ace relievers are. Consider Jason Hammel and Wheeler.

Hammel had 50.2 relief innings, and 78.3 total. His full-season FIP was 5.25 and pLI of 0.80.
Wheeler had 66.1 relief innings. His full-season FIP was 4.49 and pLI of 1.72.

Wheeler produced just more than 0 leveraged runs saved. Hammel just under -5.2 leveraged runs saved. The difference between the two - despite the roles - was a half of a win.

In park-adjusted win values, Wheeler had 0.1, Hammel -0.1. That's over/under replacement level. Remember, Wheeler is being paid millions, Hammel hundred-thousands. Hammel is also a DFA candidate.

But he just signed an extension...

Well yeah, and given what we knew at the time, the extension was hardly foolhardy. If the team feels Wheeler is more likely to continue his decline, they have two choices:

A) Sit on the contract.

B) Acknowledge that information gained following the extension and use it in making a sound decision.

Which implies the organization is open to changing their minds, and that's an extremely important attribute.

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Wheels slider can look as good as lidge’s last pitch of the world series, but his fastball is not used to keep hitters honest on his best pitch, rather it is used as his go to pitch.

'talkin 'bout practice?

by CubFanRaysaddict on Jan 15, 2009 3:23 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Based on these facts

what team would take on that contract?

It seems he’s doomed, but despite all this negativity, the “game is still played on the field”

by Raymondo on Jan 15, 2009 6:29 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are teams with bullpen situations that are more dire than ours.

When we acquired Wheeler he was instantly one of our best relievers. Now he’s somewhere between 4th and 5th best.

by Tommy Rancel on Jan 15, 2009 8:34 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely

I don’t dislike Wheeler, and was excited when the Rays traded for him. I also did not expect the Rays bullpen to become one of the best in the league over the course of an offseason and when you look at him now, in a 6 or 7 man bullpen, being 5th best while being paid (barely) 3rd most isn’t all that attractive. Contrary to what ESPN says, the Rays bullpen isn’t a bullpen built from scrap. I’m still afraid that the Rays think of Wheeler and Bradford as equals in ability and that they’ll move Bradford because he’s easier to unload even though I think he’s quite a bit better then Wheeler and don’t have qualms about the Rays overpaying him.

by kericr on Jan 15, 2009 1:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Team's that...

A) Think he can bounce back.
B) Don’t know about some of this stuff.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 15, 2009 10:10 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's a intriguing point R.J.

I often wonder: do teams front offices scour the net for info? Often, I think they would learn something, maybe just an argument that they did not consider, if they read this site.

by plasticman on Jan 15, 2009 10:58 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have learned plenty from this site

but while i for a bit of an older fan am very conscious of the ‘new stats’, but still believe you need to play the games

by Raymondo on Jan 15, 2009 11:04 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was just saying...

That front offices might make better decisions if they used sbnation sites and the ilk.

They could read these sites and perhaps see some points about a player that they would otherwise miss.

by plasticman on Jan 15, 2009 11:11 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was referring to Raymondo's comment:
i for a bit of an older fan am very conscious of the ‘new stats’, but still believe you need to play the games

by rglass44 on Jan 15, 2009 11:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They do

I can guarantee you that every team has some low level lackey whose morning job is to troll all the message boards and blogs and write up a brief report to give to some higher up. Also, at this point, almost every team has some kind of stats guru on staff. The issue is the extent to which the teams actually pay attention to those guys. In a few front offices (TB, Toronto, Boston, Oakland, off the top of my head), what those guys say carries a lot of weight. In a lot of other front offices, they pretty much get ignored.

I can’t remember which blogger it was, but I do remember someone who was hired by a team in that capacity complaining about what little impact they had and giving that as a reason on why they didn’t renew when their contract expired.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 15, 2009 11:25 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Every team has statistics/sabermetrics information.

Even the Royals have a consultant named Mat Olkin. Whether they listen and/or use that information is unknown, and what exactly they have is also unknown. I think it’s safe to assume the Rays are a little more ahead of the curve than most.

As for the site thing, I know one high ranking official, not in the AL, reads this site.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 15, 2009 11:46 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even if he does regress as stated

He’ll still probably be about an average reliever. That has value to most teams, just not as much to this one (that already has 4 above-average ones).

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 15, 2009 11:22 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not all teams put value in these facts.

Wheeler’s ERA was spiffy. He had some saves. He makes only $3MMish.

And even if a team is smart, Wheeler’s probably worth the $3MM, anyway. Just not to the Rays.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Jan 15, 2009 5:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great job RJ...

One thing w/ Wheeler, though, that may help: limiting his innings a little more. He was a hoss last year, and toward the end of the season it looks like it caught up to him. With the depth of this BP now, we could conceivably keep one RP on the DL at a time as a way of resting them. That way we can keep them all fresh for the stretch-run.

by rglass44 on Jan 15, 2009 11:05 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SSS ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok so here is a link to Wheeler’s month-to-month splits. His ERA and BB seemed to peak in to September along with his OPS. Granted we are looking at tiny samples, but it seems to corroborate with the tiring hypothesis.

by rglass44 on Jan 15, 2009 11:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IIRC

And without looking it up, Wheeler has always faltered a bit towards the end of the season.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 15, 2009 11:26 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hold out Hope

That he will work out the issues with the slider- maybe it was minor injury? If the slider comes back he could bounce back- dropping his flyball rate back to his historical norm would have a huge positive impact on his HR rate. I have no other choice but to cross my fingers because I don’t think there is much of a chance he gets traded.

by Thejeffg on Jan 15, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Why is Wheeler replaceable?"

He’s already been replaced. We signed Joe Nelson. Almost the same pitcher.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 15, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, New Issue

I had thought I had hit on the core issue with Wheeler but this clouds the picture a bit:

His decline in effectiveness late in the season wasn’t predicated as much on an upward sloping FB%. He actually spent the entire season giving up more FB than ever. Around mid-season what actually happened was he started giving up more line drives and getting less grounders.

Wheeler’s GB/FB/LD

This is concerning because it seems to say, flyballs and homeruns were a problem that needs to be addressed, but really he was getting hit harder in general as the season went on and was generally getting lucky since he wasn’t even taking advantage of the defense. In other words, many of the liners he was giving up must have been hit right at people. This would explain the lucky BABIP.

Maddon may be the best defensive alignment guy in the world (he certainly wasn’t conventional- so there may be a little to this since Wheeler wasn’t the only guy with a “lucky” BABIP), but clearly Wheeler can’t trade on that next season. He will need to get a lot more grounders next year or the regression will be very painful.

by Thejeffg on Jan 15, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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