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http://www.tampabaysportsblog.com/2009/01/14/rays-sign-kapler-really/

 

Oh deary deary dear.Time for P Brady's patented Bullet Points of criticism!

 

  •  I’ve never been in favor of platoons in general because I’ve always felt that if a guy can play, he can play, screw the other crap. Stats say otherwise and that’s the world we now live in so I’ll go with it.

 

You know I've never been a fan of specialties in medicine because if a guy can heal, a guy can heal. Screw that other crap, I want my podiatrist giving me brain surgery. Common sense says otherwise and that's the world we live in so I'll go with it.

 

  •  I don’t know much about Kapler other than he was once a highly touted prospect who turned into a journeyman type that was coaching before he decided to jump back into the player ranks. The problem I have with this signing is that Kapler got a mil and Rocco got less, granted there’s incentives, from the Red Sox.

 

I don't think you realize how incentives work.

 

  • Marc Topkin tried to justify by saying that the Baldelli deal “could be” worth more because of playing incentives, but how much more?

 

5 million reasons for TO not kill himself more.

 

  • If you give Roc the same deal you give Kapler, he walks. If you offer Roc the same deal that Boston did, I think he stays

 

I think if I made as much money as Ben Affleck I'd sleep with Angelina Jolie.  But I don't and the rays don't.

 

  • All that being said, wouldn’t anyone rather pay a little more for a healthy Rocco than a Gabe Kapler if they are needed full time? I understand the Rays penny pinching, but this is stupid.

 

Not really, In plattoon roles its no lock that rocco is worth even 3 million more than Kaplan. He isn't worth the rays overdrawing their bank account by roughly $4million.

 

  • I can make sense of it thinking that Fernando Perez needs another year in AAA, but how did we end up with an overrated Gabe Kapler over Rocco Baldelli. This is why Boston is the most well rounded organization in baseball right now and not the Yankees, Rays, Phillies, etc

 

How is Kapler overrated by you if you know nothing about him? How does Boston have a better org by having an inferior farm system and spending money on injured players, why am I still doing this?

  • The Rays may be the best at operating as a small market, but they aren’t there just yet. It’s a tough position for the Rays to be in here and it’s hard to pick on them for the moves that they make, since they’ve been so good under tough conditions, but this move I can’t rationalize at all. Kapler over Baldelli, really?
Why are you upset we went with Dr. Cox(RIPPED) over Dr. Nick Riviera?

 

Also, Red Sox sign The Greek God of Testicles to a 4 year extension.

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Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jan 15, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't tell if the original is sarcasm or not.
This is why Boston is the most well rounded organization in baseball right now and not the Yankees, Rays, Phillies, etc

There’s not too many teams that can be extremely low on the revenue curve and put themselves in position to be high on the win curve for the long run. Anyone who says the Rays aren’t one of the best simply doesn’t understand how baseball works. And really, how do you compare the Rays to the Yankees and the Phillies?

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

This guy needs to stay away from baseball writing. Far away.

by Joshua Downie on Jan 15, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmm...
Marc Topkin tried to justify by saying that the Baldelli deal "could be" worth more because of playing incentives, but how much more

Well we have a 500k base, 1.75m in roster bonuses and 5.25m in performance bonuses which adds up to 7.5 million. Since he seems to assume Rocco will hit all these I’d say about $6,499,982.00 more

by Tommy Rancel on Jan 15, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

At the very least, 2.25m, assuming he hits none of his performance bonuses

I’m going to assume that his performance bonuses are going to be somewhat lofty and achievable by one who is playing at an all-star calibur and thus not reachable by Baldelli while playing in a part-time capacity. I am also going to assume that Baldelli is healthy enough to be on the roster every day.

So even at the kindest levels, Kapler at $1M is still better than Baldelli at 2.25M.

People keep thinking Rocco’s only going to make $500k, and I simply don’t know why. He’s getting paid extra money just for showing up and it just doesn’t seem like the population at large understands this.

by kericr on Jan 15, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically it's either:

A. Rocco is healthy enough to make 2.25 million — therefore out of the Rays price range.
B. Rocco is only going to make 500k and he’s not healthy, therefore not a legitimate option.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 15, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That's basically it, yeah.

And based on Brikhaus below, it’s obviously worse, if he’s healthy enough to play and can contribute moderately with 300PAs, he’s 4.75M, which is pretty damn absurd IMO.

by kericr on Jan 15, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

IIRC

The performance kickers are for another $2.5M at 300 ABs and another $2.75M at 600 ABs.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 15, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Excuse me

PAs, not ABs. And I’d be surprised if Kapler doesn’t get 300 PAs here this year.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 15, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh.
All that being said, wouldn’t anyone rather pay a little more for a healthy Rocco than a Gabe Kapler if they are needed full time?

Yes, because we know 100% how Rocco’s body is goin…you know what, screw this.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 15, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

HOW CAN YOU GUYS SAY DAN WHEELER SUCKS

HOW CAN YOU GUYS JUSTIFY LETTING ROCCO GO

HOW CAN YOU GUYS POSSIBLY LIKE GABE GROSS

ANDREW FRIEDMAN IS TEH WORSTEST GM IN BASEBALL

lols RFO 28 BAD DECISIONS 2

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 15, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

Big Z is the MAN.

by .Taylor on Jan 16, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

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