Rays To Sign Brian Shouse?
6:35 PM Update: We're hearing its a one year deal with some sort of option for 2010. Pending a physical.
Update: Tommy contacted a Rays source who called the report premature, but did not deny or confirm the interest.
Per Buster Olney (Credit to BobR)
Brian Shouse, a veteran left-handed reliever, has agreed to a two-year deal with the Tampa Bay Rays, according to baseball sources. The deal is pending a physical exam, which he will take on Thursday.
I'm going to assume hope the second year is a club option, similar to what the Rays did with Trever Miller and that the money is reasonable.
Over the last three years Shouse has been worth: -0.2, 1.1, and 0.4 wins. That works out to an average of ~0.4 wins per season, or worth around 1.8-2 million dollars. Shouse gets grounders, lefties out, and nets the Brewers a second round pick - not at the expense of the Rays second round pick.
The Rays pen now has the following options:
Troy Percival
Grant Balfour
J.P. Howell
Dan Wheeler
Chad Bradford
Joe Nelson
Lance Cormier
Brian Shouse
Jason Hammel
Derek Rodriguez
Dewon Day
Jason Childers
Julio DePaula
Randy Choate
Dale Thayer
Juan Salas
Jeff Niemann
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Wow, we got some arms
I guess Percy DL can at least delay 1 decision. Rodriguez is gonna go unless we strike a deal with Chicago. Talbot will probably be a SP in AAA and maybe we can package Hammell, Gross and Wheeler/Bradford and all go to a bar
RH Jeff Niemann
RH Joe Nelson
LH Brian Shouse
RH Chad Bradford
RH Dan Wheeler
LH J.P Howell
RH Grant Balfour
Thayer and Salas will be in AAA another year, so will Day, Childers, DePaula, Choate…..Cormier signing seems useless now.
And then when Percy is actually healthy, I wonder which one of those 7 would lose their spot. I guess our depth is decent!
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
The add of Shouse just smells like there is trade coming.
Maybe Niemann, Hammel, ect… This could be an interesting next few weeks. Go Rays!
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jan 31, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I do not see
trading Gross now although that might be likely if Joyce is deemed ready.
I think Friedman has developed an addiction for signing players
Thank god he has a great eye for talent.
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
Shouse made $2 million in 2008
and declined arbitration. Is it likely he signed for less than that?
A lot of players probably regret not taking arbitration money now
What with the economy being in the shitter and all. More and more are going to sign for less.
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Jan 31, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
I know that has been true for DH types,
but has it been the same for relievers. I am not certain, but it seems to me that relievers have been signing for pretty decent money.
Wood, Fuentes, Rodriguez, Affeldt, Rhodes, Farnsworth, Chan Ho Park, etc.
all seem happy with their multi-year deals and/or pay raises.
I think it's because a number signed early that it seems that way.
But if you look at the deals, Fuentes and Wood signed off reliever deals to closer deals. Farnsworth got way too much – but it was less than he was making before. A couple of lefties got good deals early – Marte and Affeldt e.g. K-Rd’s salary in the first year of his deal is less than 2008. Rhodes and Park made good off cheap minors deals.
But plenty of relievers have taken cuts too. Howry got a relatively good deal, but it was a large cut from ’08. Eyre too – but also a big cut. Genius Ed Wade resigned LT Hawkins to a $3.5 deal, but even that , while way high (even though he did pitch well for Houston), was a slight cut from ’08. Springer just signed well – but still a small cut from ’08. Same for Mota, Embree, Bale, Trevor Hoffman.
It’s something – of the top 12 ‘08 salaries among potential FA’s heading into the offseason, ending with Smoltz at $14 MM, none have gotten an increase in salary (or better put, on salary plus prorated bonus) from ‘08 to ’09. 3 remain unsigned, Abreu ($16), Sexson ($15.5), and Manny ($18.95). Only Manny has a chance of coming out with a raise. It’s a bloodbath up there guys:
Giambi $23.45 MM to $5 MM, Hampton $16 MM to $2 MM, Pettitte $16 MM to $5.5 MM
Furcal $15.75 MM to $7.5 MM, Randy Johnson $15.1 MM to $8 MM, Thome (opt p/u) -$2.65 MM
Burrell $14.25 MM to $7 MM, and Smoltz $14 MM to $5.5 MM
Forgot C. Delgado, opt p/u -$4.0 MM
AJ Burnett breaks the streak at #13.
To continue through the $10 MM $ men:
unsigned Dunn $13.0 MM; uns. G. Anderson $12.6 MM; uns. F. Thomas $12.55 MM; increase for Teixeira; uns. Pudge, $12.4 MM; C. Jones opt p/u – $1.35 MM; uns. Sheets $12.15; Garland $12.0 to $6.25; uns. Pedro $11.8; ret. Moose $11.1; Pavano $11.0 to $1.5; increase for CC; Varitek $10.45 to $5; uns. Gagne $10; Inc for Lowe; ret. Maddux; ret. Morris; Renteria $10mm to $8 MM (still too much); K-Rod $10MM to $9.15 in 1st year of deal.
Maybe they should call it Almost Free Agency – yeah, I know. it’s still lots of cash.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Feb 1, 2009 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent points
I would add a few things.
The St. Pete Times is reporting that he will likely get less than $2 million with a team option for 2010. It is possible that includes a buyout which would get him near or over the same figure.
In looking over your list of relievers only, which it seems to me is the only comparable situation, a couple of factors may moderate some of the apparent losses by the players.
It seems to me that in many cases the guaranteed salary is augmented by bonuses, many easy to reach, which bring the total back close to or even over the original. That is the case with Springer, Mota, Embree & Hawkins. In the case of Embree, there is also a buyout that guarantees an additional payoff.
There may be reasons other than simply a down market for some of the losses. Eyre, Howry and Bale signed very early (Eyre actually did not test the market much, re-signing with Philly in Nov, while the other two took deals in early December.) Another factor to consider is that Howry & Embree are coming off terrible years, & Bale was not particularly good either. In past years that might not have mattered as much, but Shouse is coming off 2 pretty good years and particularly when considered from the angle of what his special use is.
Farnsworth is a special case in that he combines both the bonus and buyout factor and additionally got 2 years guaranteed.
We will see shortly what Shouse gets, so all this is purely for the fun of speculation. But there seems to be some difference in the way the market is treating players like Burrell & Dunn and the way it is treating relievers coming off good years. I don’t think it is so much that they are being forced into big cuts as it is that teams are protecting themselves a bit by requiring performance bonuses that the players have a decent chance of reaching and so receiving comparable or even better salaries in 2009 as they have before.
Arbitration money is also not guaranteed.
I just picked up a little tidbit after Varitek signed that I did not realize, but apparently, when a FA goes to arbitration, that contract is not guaranteed. So if he was cut in Spring Training because the Brewers didn’t need him, he’d only get a pro-rated amount, so he could have just wanted security.
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Sign Bonds!
I did not know that.
What is your source? That certainly could be a factor, but I still wonder whether the offer would be less than last year’s salary.
I just found it.
Varitek, 36, declined to accept the Red Sox’s offer of salary arbitration in December, an offer that would have landed him a non-guaranteed salary of $10 million or more next season…Boras’ concern that the Red Sox might have released Varitek in spring training and paid him only one-sixth of his salary was not without merit; an agent needs to consider all possibilities. Still, Boras’ rationale was probably far-fetched, maybe even revisionist history. He has accepted arbitration for other free-agent clients before.
I had never heard that before. I assume the contract become guaranteed when the player makes the team, but don’t know for sure.
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Sign Bonds!
There are some restrictions on that
Apparently there is some wording in the CBA about player releases being based on failure to show skill. So if the player was holding his own and cut, a grievance would be filed, and a settlement would need to be struck.
Of course, that would take time and leave the player in limbo – not good for an aging player. But they might get their money someday. Todd Walker had this issue a few years ago – I think a settlement was reached, but it ended his career.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Feb 1, 2009 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
he would be a long shot but is Chad Orvella going to be ready for ST.
I always thought he had some good potential (great change-up) but really lacked confidence when he was in the majors.
Who gets DFA'd, Elliot Johnson?
He’s the only guy I can think of that would be realistic, but then we’re talking about 22 pitchers and 18 hitters on the 40-man which seems like a lot of arms.
www.raysprospects.com
Look at these career splits vs. RH & LH.
vs. LH: 715 PA; 13 HR; 36 BB (6 IBB); 164 K; 13 HBP; 15 GIDP; .212/.264/.325; .259 BABIP
vs. RH: 671 PA; 13 HR; 75 BB (22 IBB); 52 K; 5 HBP; 17 GIDP; .308/.391/.456; .320 BABIP
In 2007 & 2008, his splits were similar as to BBs & Ks. Last year, in 104 PAs vs. LH, he allowed 2 BBs (1 IBB) & had 28 Ks, while vs. RH (108 PAs) it was 12 BBs (3 IBB) & 5 Ks. His BABIP was lower in each case, .229 vs. LH & .291 vs. RH. He was decent against RH in 2007 (.695 OPS)
Question to all:
Is Shouse better Trevor Miller?
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jan 31, 2009 7:20 PM EST reply actions
Also, I am sure he would look better with a mohawk if the Rays do that again
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
dear god...
WHY???
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jan 31, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
shirtless guys seems to be the 09 offseason theme
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
Shirtless former Brewers, anyway.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Also
that isn’t actually Shouse’s body, in case you were wondering. Kapler, on the other hand, does look somewhat like that picture.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
I will take you word for it,
But, my wife will probably let me know at some point. Thanks for the heads up.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jan 31, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I will say "no" now to.. .
A shirtless Navi…
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Jan 31, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
A question?
or 2.
It does seem a trade is shaping up – perhaps Bradford?
Is there now more of a chance Price will start in AAA and Niemann or ? in the rotation to start the season? Would they do that to limit DP’s innings (and perhaps his earnings – delaying FA or arb)?
Running through the guys, my predictions
Troy Percival – Starts off on DL, delaying 1 decision
Grant Balfour – A lock for the pen
J.P. Howell – Another lock
Dan Wheeler – Either traded or he is the 3rd lock
Chad Bradford – Same as Wheeler(cept that makes 4)
Joe Nelson – 5th arm
Lance Cormier – got a major league deal, waived and possibly passes through to AAA?
Brian Shouse – 6th arm
Jason Hammel – Honestly, for all the grief we give him, he deserves better but he will have to pass through waivers to remain on our team
Derek Rodriguez – We send cash to Chicago? Otherwise, hes headed back there
Dewon Day – AAA
Jason Childers – AAA
Julio DePaula – AAA
Randy Choate – AAA
Dale Thayer – AAA
Juan Salas – AAA
Jeff Niemann – 7th arm
Only thing I can’t figure out is what happens when Percy returns unless a SP gets hurt and Niemann goes to the rotation.
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

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