Rays/Burrell Close to 2 Year 16 Mil Deal
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 1:52 PM EST
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So reports Ken Rosenthal. We've discussed Burrell and the other options to the finite detail over the past few months, and today we see the apex of the Rays search for a designated hitter. The following was posted on FanGraphs about a month ago.
We know that Burrell is 32 years old and hit for his lowest wOBA since 2004. Part of that should be credited to an unlucky BABIP, and perhaps a slightly down walk rate. Burrell did increase his ISO and even if you park adjust his numbers, he was still above average. Perhaps not surprisingly, Burrell is a player who actually gains value by moving to hitting full time. The major defensive metrics all reach the same conlusion: Burrell in left field is a really bad experience. The most generous, Chone, had Burrell at -14 runs, meanwhile UZR at -14.7 runs, PMR at -19.89 runs, and Dewan's +/- at -20 plays, or -16 runs.
That's an average of -16.15 runs, combine that with the positional adjustment of -7.5 and you're looking at his offensive value being zapped. As DH Burrell gets penalized -17.5 runs. 23.65-17.5 is a 6.15 run swing, in other words, Burrell gains a half of a win by simply tucking his glove in a dark corner. That's a substantial amount when you consider the DH positional penalty is trying to punish, not improve player value.
Marcels has Burrell continuing his slide (mostly age related) and slipping to .369 wOBA, or 18.7 offensive runs above average in 582 plate appearances. That makes him worth between 1.8 and 2 WAR. If Burrell can find a way into 645 plate appearances like 2008, raise those expectations to 2-2.2. That suggests Burrell should be worth between 9 to 11 million.
The Phillies chose against offering Burrell arbitration, meaning no draft picks will exchange hands. Certainly a pro, but there are some cons to signing Burrell as well. Most of those are associated with his age and potential for a quick collapse in skills. Any team desiring to add Burrell should attempt a contract covering one or two seasons. This would allow Burrell to test the market again before his mid-30's, and gives the team a chance to avoid Burrell's eventually collapse.
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This'll do nicely
Except, you know, the picture.
by kericr on Jan 5, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
cmon eric
I’m at work man
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your name is now
SHUTUP
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant Jonah Keri, not Christina Kahrl.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's overly sensitive to his BP writers.
Well, in Jonah’s case ex, but he owns.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've always said if it's good enough for Eddie Murphy
how bad could it be?
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about a failure of apokolyptic proportions.
Norbit and Pluto Nash
by kericr on Jan 5, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's based on a true story
I think only the Randy Quaid part is real though
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so...scared.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yay for Saved by the Bell
is it sad that I actually willingly still watch it whenever I am actually awake early enough?
Blake
USF--Class of '09
by usfraysfan on Jan 5, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weird that Rosenthal mentions Zobrist, Gross, and Perez
for right field, but not Joyce.
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Jan 5, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Only 8 mil?
maybe we do want a 2nd bat!
make this shit official, guys!
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
by joeybw on Jan 5, 2009 2:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If Burrell puts up his same numbers from 08
he’ll almost cover the 16 million in year one…Andrew Friedman is a bad bad man.
by Tommy Rancel on Jan 5, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So if this becomes officialy
He replaced Miller with Nelson
Hammell with Niemann
Hinske with Joyce
Floyd with Burrell
wow
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
by joeybw on Jan 5, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hammel is still on the team
But yeah, that’s a good POV.
by kericr on Jan 5, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Y'all just got friedman'd.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 5, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Any one else concerned?
I seem to remember something during the WS about Pat the Bat not liking to DH. Something about it disrupts his timing. Anyone else remember that? Am I crazy?
by TPA08 on Jan 5, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not.
Everyone knew he was coming here to DH. He knew it, his agent knew, etc. If he was worried about the effect on him, then he would have signed elsewhere because he’s still looking for one more big contract.
by rglass44 on Jan 5, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Small sample size alert
But in 85 ABs as a DH, he’s hitting .153/.258/.224
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Jan 5, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying panic
I’m just trying to figure out if he said it or if I am making it up…
by TPA08 on Jan 5, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the price.
Thats enough signings for now. We need to sign a certain CF for the foreseeable future.
by davelrogers on Jan 5, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Yeah Pat
Join the AL champs!
BOHICA
by Mr. Tonight TB on Jan 5, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pat Burrell settled for 2nd best. Shouldn't you?
by kericr on Jan 5, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great signing now maybe Baldelli?
Seems like we signed Burrell very cheap, considering the stupid Phillies replaced him for nearly twice as much with Raul Ibanez
If we trade Gross and his salary, and sIgn Baldelli we really wouldnt be spending any extra money it would be Burrell + Rocco = 8-10 mil
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Baldelli needs to go to the Reds.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
last I heard, they dont want him
Afraid of his medical issues. Poor guy has no suitors, seems like every time he gets one, they lose interest.
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
by joeybw on Jan 5, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought they got a better handle on his disease
the rays are probably the most familar with it, just bring him back
BOHICA
by Mr. Tonight TB on Jan 5, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Since we're most familiar with it, that probably means we won't bring him back.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
unless his diagnosis has changed
which Im still not sure about those reports, but if they are true then this change sthings completely as far as what we knew before and how we viewed him and how we might view him now
If his diagnosis hasnt really changed, then I understand if we had no interest. If it has, then it would make sense to have some level of interest. Why do you say he need sto sign with the Reds RJ?
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Burrell could also enhance the chances of the Rays retaining free-agent OF Rocco Baldelli, as they could use both in the outfield or as a DH. Baldelli has been limited in playing time due to medical issues, but after a recently updated diagnosis h
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hopes to be able to play on a much more regular basis.
from st pete times
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How does it possibly enhance them signing Baldelli?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Jan 5, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way of knowing how much he can play no matter what his diagnosis is.
There’s times to move on, this is that time for both sides.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe thats true
but we know how much we would ask him to play, and it wouldnt be much anyways
So if his diagnosis has changed (no way for us to know, there is a way for our FO to know) then its is completely reasonable to assume he could platoon with Joyce and come off the bench mostly
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fernando Perez can do the same thing and he can do it better.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I doubt it though. And I’m as big of a Perez booster as there is out there. They’re very different players, but on a rate basis I have little doubt that Rocco is better.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 5, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do what better?
run? yes
field? maybe
hit? no
I was told having Perez begin the year in Durham is the only smart play anyways. Or else he will regress from limited at bats.
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"field? maybe"
That’s not a maybe.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
I just give Baldelli credit for knowing all the angles, tracking balls quickly, and IMO (I know this is highly debated in the past) has a strong arm
Perez > Baldelli in teh field though I can agree to that
I dont think one has anythign to do with the otehr though. I would want Baldelli to replace Gross whom would be stealing most of the playing time from Perez anyways in RF. I want Baldelli because he is a legit RH bat off teh bench. What do you think about Perez starting in AAA? is that necessary in your eyes?
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
Perez is going to be 26 next year. I doubt the Rays gain a long-term benefit by leaving him in AAA at this point. Either he’ll sink or he’ll swim. He’s not going to become an impact hitter either way, and he’s not going to stop being a good leadoff or #8/9 type option if he gets limited at-bats.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 5, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hwo are you so certain this is the time to move on for both sides?
So you’re telling me if his diagnosis has changed and he hits 20 HR 80 RBI and bats .300 playing half the games in the field, you wouldnt change your opinion about the time to move on? Are you just basing this off of his prior diagnosis and constantly getting hurt without taking into account all the things taht can change
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We can play the conjecture game all day.
What’s the point?
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IF THE MOON WERE MADE OUT OF BABY BACK RIBS
would you eat it?
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What if cats had no legs and slithered around like snakes?
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I saw a Kitler slithering at me I might have to end it.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fucking awesome
Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jan 5, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know the Moon Man is racist?
He’s always out wearing the hood with the pointy top.
by kericr on Jan 5, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference
Is that there’s a much better chance that Rocco can play 100 games than that the moon is made out of ribs.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 5, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll believe it when I see it Bill Nye
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who is using conjecture?
you said “There’s times to move on, this is that time for both sides.”
You are the one using conjecture, I am simply asking how YOU are so sure now is that time
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
.
“So you’re telling me if his diagnosis has changed and he hits 20 HR 80 RBI and bats .300 playing half the games in the field, you wouldnt change your opinion about the time to move on? Are you just basing this off of his prior diagnosis and constantly getting hurt without taking into account all the things taht can change”
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt say one way or the other about Baldelli, just asking what presumptive evidence you are using to make that conjecture ; )
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
have absolutely nothign to do with a new diagnosis
in fact, if he does have a new diangosis it would be rather silly to keep him the past 3-4 years only to let him go now
again how do you account for his new diagnosis when you say “time to move on”? Im not saying he should start over JOyce or anything, btw
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you not account for his old diagnosis?
If that one was incorrect, what makes us sure this one is correct? We have no way of telling whether he’s going to be able to play anymore or not.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How do we not know his diagnosis is correct or not?
anyone with access to his doctors WILL KNOW. Its science not faith based
btw I am accounting for his old diagnosis which is why I said he would be a bench player for 3 mil or less. That is hardly me saying he is Joe Dimaggio reincarnated
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because thats now medicine works?
its all trial and error
I’ll leave that up to our doctors and his doctors
All I know for sure is that he was diagnosed with an untreatable condition that crippled him as a baseball player, and now his alleged new diagnoses says his condition is treatable. I really cant go off anything else.
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CONJECTURE- A conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork
I dont think its guesswork to say he has a new diagnosis that changes the outlook of his past and future
I think it is guesswork saying “its time to move on”
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's guesswork to say:
" if his diagnosis has changed and he hits 20 HR 80 RBI and bats .300 playing half the games in the field"
I’m done with this subthread, it’s pointless.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You still havent shown how it is "time to move on" with any certainty, that was the purpose of my postingt that
to show how wrong it is to say “NOW is that time to move on” as if it is a sealed deal that Baldellis body is made of glass and he will never stay healthy
If you call a new, treatable diagnosis “conjecture” then maybe you just dont believe in modern science I really dont know what to tell you
This could definitely be the time to go our seperate ways, Im not saying it isnt. Im saying how do you know with certainty?
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was taken to all the best specialists in the country at the time
they said it was Mitochondrial related. Now some other Doctor said it is not when he is conveniently looking for a new contract screams bullshit. I love the guy and wish it wasn’t the case, but at some point you just have to move on. Perhaps this is the time.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but at some point you just have to move on. Perhaps this is the time.
I completely agree with that
Perhaps it is time
Perhaps Rocco and his doctor are lieing to get him a contract, perhaps this is all true I completely agree there
I just dont understand why RJ closes the door completely on Rocco in a way that says he is still made of glass and cant play MLB anymore
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read any of the numerous stories
about how he would be shaking at the plate and in the field towards the end of games? Something is seriously wrong with his body and the best thing is probably to take a year off.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand why you're making more of my comment than is there.
“Time to move on” != “LOL OMG ROCCO IS TEH SUX”
That means “The Rays should probably have a better option than Rocco in place if they’re planning to platoon with Joyce.”
It’s the same thing I’ve been saying all season. He’s extremely unreliable and this new diagnosis will have to prove me wrong before I change my view.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's time you moved on from this subthread R.J.
No matter how you diagnose this argument you cannot win.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FYI....
The ladies are going to be happy in the Tampa Bay area. Burrell has quite the reputation for arm candy.
by td32 on Jan 5, 2009 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The FedEx delivery men will be sad.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All of them in the Tampa Bay area, yes.
by Erik Hahmann on Jan 5, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least it provides fodder for fake conversations.
FedEx man: “Hi sir I have package for you…why are you naked?”
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im just glad we got one of these guys
and didnt end up with grif or bonds
BOHICA
by Mr. Tonight TB on Jan 5, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm so happy we didn't end up with Babe Ruth or Jason Tyner
by kericr on Jan 5, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they're both outta gas
and both would Dh
BOHICA
by Mr. Tonight TB on Jan 5, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea one of them hasnt played in over a year
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Griffey hasn't been worthwhile in three years.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One of them hasn't played in over a year, one of them shouldn't have been playing at all
by kericr on Jan 5, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nobody has even been interested in having Bonds on their roster in well over 1 year
point Griffey
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you need to waste the keystrokes to point out that you've just made a point, then you should take your opinions to somewhere where the people are more...stupid.
by kericr on Jan 5, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in what way? His .868 OPS in 2007 says somethign else
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL ok whatever
I dont care I was just messing with you anyways, lets just rejoice about the Burrell signing
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh BlazinRays, don't you have an Edwin Jackson fanclub meeting to attend?
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one has "wanted" Bonds aka collusion
by Erik Hahmann on Jan 5, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Frank Thomas got a job, Bonds didn't.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't going to be a smoking gun
But there are more than enough teams for whom it would have made sense to sign him once he dropped his asking price to the minimum.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 5, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Burrell the one with the crazy agent
Who trolls all the blogs and sends out weird threatening letters? Or was that some other Philly? Anyway, if the agent is on top of things, this post probably just raised his asking price…
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 5, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh man I hope so.
I’ve always wanted a threatening email from someone who matters.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I send you threatening e-mails all the time...
by rglass44 on Jan 5, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was Carlos Delgado's agent
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Jan 5, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if this is what you were talking about
http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2008/05/breaking_news_delgados_agent_i.html
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Jan 5, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's the one
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 5, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And according to wikipedia
Pat Burrell’s agent is Greg Genske, who also represents Scott Kazmir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Genske
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Jan 5, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this makes me forgot almost forget the Vikings lossing yesterday
very excited for this season, and Pat Burrell joining the team and now we all dont have to worry about Griffrey jr. being here
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what are everyone's projections for Burrell next year?
.275//340/.465 28HRs 105 RBIs is what ill say
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
close to my pediction
I say drop the AVG to about .265 but raise the homers to 33
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
by joeybw on Jan 5, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking his average might go up next year since he is going to be DH fulltime
but somewhere in that range .260-.275
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where does this leave Matt Joyce?
All of this conversation now Rosenthal AND Lancaster both leave him out of the conversation? Did I miss something here?
Joe
by joedobr on Jan 5, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it will affect him
Not sure why they didn’t mention him but he will be in RF and Burrell will be the DH
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
by joeybw on Jan 5, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Joyce has to have the lion’s share of the PT and AB’s out there…Have to justify the move AND he has the most potential.
Joe
by joedobr on Jan 5, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Justify the move? Dumping Jackson was justification enough.
by Erik Hahmann on Jan 5, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson had value, whether it was deserved or not
so just dumping Jackson for nothing would be terrible, and not justification at all
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the FO has indicated to them
That they intend to leave Joyce in AAA to start the year. It would make sense to do so if we can’t trade Gross before the season starts.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 5, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im pretty sure that Joyce will be the RF to start the season
he had success with the tigers in 1/2 of a season with detriot so sending him to AAA wouldnt make that much sense to me
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
- He skipped AAA
- If he spends a half season in Durham, it would make it a year longer before he becomes arbitration eligible or eligible for free agency
- Him and Gabe Gross are basically the same player right now, and unless we can trade him, we have to pay Gross either way
- There are a number of things Joyce still needs to work on, whereas Gross is in his prome
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 5, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gross in the second half/playoffs turned me away on him
good bench player, but i think he is done as a starter
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Will never get old.
I hate that it gives Gross a bad rap, though.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Jan 5, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah cuz he didn't have any game winning hits/homers or anything
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im as big a Gross fan as there is
but I think he played in almost every game in the playoffs and I dont remember him getting 1 hit, and he had a couple defensive problems.
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So is that a S^3 issue or choking
since during the regular season he came through uhh regularly. Also, allow myself to introduce myself.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
We have two sample sizes: Gross’ entire major league career, the 2008 playoffs. The former is bigger, yet you’re relying on the latter one?
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cuz you must have forgotten the origin of the picture, or something.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Jan 5, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lineup in 2009?
aki,cc.upton,pena,longoria,burrell,navarro,joyce and bartlett
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 2:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
maybe swap longo and pena, perhaps navi and joyce also
very sexy
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
by joeybw on Jan 5, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking that they should go with pena before longo to give upton more SB opportunities
pena seemed to work more counts than longo and that would give upton much more oppportunities to steal his 60 bases next year
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup doesn't matter all that much
But that seems like a waste of Burrell’s on-base skills to me
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Jan 5, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On base skills???
Unless you stick him in the #1 or #2 spot, his OBP can be reasonably expected to be lower than the guys ahead of him.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 5, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I just meant, if you put Burrell in say the 3 hole, you take full advantage of his power and patience(guys getting on in front of him and having pitches to run) and also his skill of getting on base(Pena and Longoria behind him to drive him in).
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Jan 5, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Burrell and Pena are pretty similar, which is interesting.
Just the L/R difference.
Upton’s similar with more speed and less power.
Longoria’s similar with less OBP ability
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Jan 5, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Longoria’s similar with less OBP ability
So far…
by rglass44 on Jan 5, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want one of Aki/Crawford above the meat of the order, max.
Crawford
Upton
Pena
Longoria
Burrell
Navarro
Joyce
Aki
Bartlett
is probably pretty good. Maybe even drop Crawford and move everyone else up a spot.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Jan 5, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean like CC won't play center field?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Jan 5, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Burrell vs. DH last year
Last year the DH spot had a wOBA of .327. Burrell had a wOBA of .374. Over these 645 PAs, he would produce 26 more offensive runs. In other words, he’s a 2.6 run upgrade over what we had at DH last year.
WOW
by rglass44 on Jan 5, 2009 2:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jan 5, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
fail
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how excited i am for next season, with the moves they have made during the offseason
Floyd -—→ Burrell
Hinske -—> Joyce
Jackson -→ Price
Miller -—> Nelson
Hammell -→ Niemann
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 2:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
One thing I just want to point out
I can pretty much guarantee that Burrell would end up playing 100 – 200 ABs in the field. The way Maddon likes tinkering with lineups, it seems almost unreasonable to assume that he wouldn’t have him playing RF or LF from time to time. That would eat into some of his value.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 5, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maddon should be fined $100 every time Burrell touches a fielding glove these next two years
by Jason Collette on Jan 5, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He should be forced to listen to Ashely Simpson
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
by kericr on Jan 5, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
him playing 100-200 ABs in the field would be stupid
with gross and perez being able to play out there, and even zobrist to play out there as well
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hope they discuss this tomorrow on 1st take
lil wayne is on there tomorrow!
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Now we're cooking with gas
That’s the guy who makes the most sense
by Raymondo on Jan 5, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sternfan in favor of a move?
What.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
isnt beimel a type B free agent?
if so i want him for 2/6
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's a trop
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jan 5, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mark my word
by July y’all will be happy gameboy’s a Cub
by Raymondo on Jan 5, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If he tears something sure.
If you mean clubhouse, then well no.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Either him or Lou will have to be on Xanex
by Raymondo on Jan 5, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really could see that going poorly.
Maddon and Bradley would have been fine, though.
by rglass44 on Jan 5, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this
Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jan 5, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he really is making a mistake thinking he can play the field for a full season
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Burrell better than Bradley to begin with
I know I’m in the minority here, but someone who’s inconsistent other than that he’s consistently injured doesn’t excite me too much. Plus, Bradley + Pinella should be a fantastic comedy team.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 5, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know I’m in the minority here, but someone who’s inconsistent other than that he’s consistently injured doesn’t excite me too much.
That was my big concern as well.
by rglass44 on Jan 5, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ultimate win
Burrell is the one i wanted. Friedman and i think so much alike, its scary.
ok Andrew, now give BOSSMAN whatever he wants, and the keys to the Bentley
by daveh33 on Jan 5, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it dont even look like him
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it looks sexy...
so it must be him… right?
by rglass44 on Jan 5, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just going to keep posting this until someone aknowledges how HUGE it is:
Last year the DH spot had a wOBA of .327. Burrell had a wOBA of .374. Over these 645 PAs, he would produce 26 more offensive runs. In other words, he’s a 2.6 run upgrade over what we had at DH last year.
from : ME
by rglass44 on Jan 5, 2009 3:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Like your mother's escort paycheck.
ZING
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 5, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will make two predictions
1. Pat Burrell will drive everyone crazy at least twice this year with extended slumps.
2. Just about everyone will be happy with his final stat-line and production.
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Jan 5, 2009 3:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yes Burrell is very streaky
he goes on crazy hot streaks and then goes ice cold, but in the end i will be happy with him
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3. Pat Burrell will drive everyone crazy at least twice this year with extended hot streaks.
by rglass44 on Jan 5, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't care if he dyes his pubes
as long as he hits
by daveh33 on Jan 5, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good points
thats my one real worry is with streaky hitters like Pena, Burrell and Longoria we might get frustrated some
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as long as they save a huge hot streak for the playoffs/ws then i can live with it
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have our next move
Put Percy at gunpoint and make him retire, then replace him with a Ohman/Beimel type
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
by joeybw on Jan 5, 2009 3:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
if percy is healthy, then im ok with him being back
i want wheeler gone though, and replace him with beimel
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to laugh when Perci makes the all star team.
Then cry when he breaks down 3 times in the 2nd half and starts sucking it up again.
by kericr on Jan 5, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Any team dumb enough to take Gross AND Wheeler from us?
Wait! Maybe the Royals! They love OF’s!
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
by joeybw on Jan 5, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't smart enough to realize Gross' value.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I misread your comment.
Uh, Seattle would’ve made sense. Boston’s out. Milwaukee probably doesn’t want him back. Oakland doesn’t need him. San Diego doesn’t need him.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe detriot will be dumb enough to take wheeler off our hands or the mets as well
those 2 teams love our pitching regrets
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Phillies pay 11m more than what they offered Burrell pre-arb, and get a player 4.5 yrs old with the same crappy defense, making them even more LH heavy, and this?
by Jason Collette on Jan 5, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
haha and i heard that they offered Burrell 2/22 in october and he turned them down
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Was just reading over at "the good phight"
They seems pissed by this….he he.
by steve-o1285 on Jan 5, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good i cant wait for ibanez to start throwing some lawn darts and running past balls like they are on fire
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what happens when you get Friedman'd
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fisted by Friedman?
Woonsocket Rocket!
by raysbball on Jan 5, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the Phillies don't actually understand that Ibanez is a crappy fielder...
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Jan 5, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gillick is ruining the team behind the scenes to make it look like he deserves all the credit
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone name LaMar is in their front office.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jan 5, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He created the 2008 World Series.
Both teams.
by RATW on Jan 5, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just ask FOX
Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jan 5, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Burrell its time to get another ring!
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites
by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this time Taylor Swift won't be there to bail out the opposing team too!
Woonsocket Rocket!
by raysbball on Jan 5, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone out of Crawford, Longo, Burrell, Pena
will be in our 6-hole this makes me air hump like none other.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It shouldn't be Pena, Burrel is new and Longo is newish...
Woonsocket Rocket!
by raysbball on Jan 5, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be Crawford or Burrell
probably Burrell. Pena never gets moved lower than 4th it seems, and he shouldnt because of his OBP. Same goes for Upton
by Rays4242 on Jan 5, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford bats third, the Bossman bats 2nd or he goes Rick Ross style.
Woonsocket Rocket!
by raysbball on Jan 5, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Knowing Mad Dog we may see these guys all over the place. It seems like he can isn't afraid to shift around the lineup
which shows it may have some value as a motivational tool even if the statistical outcomes are insignificant
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know Maddon loves Aki leading off, but...
Upton, Crawford, Burrell, Pena, Longoria, Joyce, Navarro, Iwamura, Bartlett anyone?
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Jan 5, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I go out to get my car fixed and THIS happens!?!?!?!
Holy fucking shit.
Awesome move. I love it.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Jan 5, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I'm surprised we haven't seen a certain shaky mouse and talented cat
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm at a loss for words
Soo many emotions at once
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Twiss made it happen!
Woonsocket Rocket!
by raysbball on Jan 5, 2009 3:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure the wife is pleased to see you productively bringing home the bacon.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 5, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice little off-season.
April can’t get here soon enough.
by RATW on Jan 5, 2009 3:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice pick up for you guys.
He ’s a good fit for the spot, and better than the lefty alternatives. Gonna be a fun year.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jan 5, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Go check out rotoworld
What a beautiful sight, I guess he passed the physical!
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
by joeybw on Jan 5, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
