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BBTF on Burrell Deal

Dan Szymborski's post is epic for the letter,but there's also ZiPS projections for our new toy. I don't want to get in trouble with Dan, so I'm going to direct you there for the letter and here for the projection part:

2009 ZiPS Projection - Pat Burrell
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AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG OPS+
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2009 499 72 125 28 2 27 84 101 131 0 .251 .376 .477 118

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ODDIBE

Offense %
STAR 39
AVG 71
REP LV 95

OPS+ % OBP % 3B % Hits %
>160 1 >.400 23 >10 0 >200 0
>140 12 >.375 56 >5 2 >150 2
>130 28 >.350 85
>120 48 >.325 98 2B %
>110 69 >.300 100 >45 0
>100 85 >30 33
>90 94
>80 98
>60 100

BA % SLG % HR % SB %
>.350 0 >.550 8 >50 0 >70 0
>.325 0 >.500 35 >40 2 >50 0
>.300 1 >.450 68 >30 42 >30 0
>.275 13 >.400 92 >20 85 >10 0
>.250 45 >.350 98 >10 98

Top Comps: Ralph Kiner, Gorman Thomas, Bob Bailey, Jay Buhner, Greg Luzinski

 

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Any theories

on how the transition to DH might affect Burrell? Can anyone dig up any info or stats on how some guys in their prime have responded to becoming a full time DH after being a fielder their whole career?

My feeling is that fielders hit better when they arent playing a position that they are a liability at, whether it be DH or a position they are better suited for. Just as we saw with Upton years ago in Durham, or possibly Brignac right now, I think when a guy is constantly worrying about his defense and how much he sucks at it, it messes with his head and can affect him at the plate. Id like to think a calm, relaxed Burrell who only has to focus on his hitting could maintain or improve his offensive output. Who knows what physical tolls being a poor fielder have on his body that could in turn affect his swing.

Speaking of which, I keep hearing about Burrells foot problems. According to some Phils fans, he has had them his whole career. Any idea what they are from? According to one guy, his foot problems caused the huge drop off in production the last two months and postseason. First 4 months last year, .278 BA 26 HR. Just sayin.

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 5, 2009 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

Actually

It’s been mentioned that players moving to DH lose about 5 runs off their offensive output. I don’t have links though.

by Ben Tumbling on Jan 5, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you meant

Seattle Mariners consultant, Tango

by Ben Tumbling on Jan 6, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Me too

I’m from the Philippines, so I have no geograhic allegiance. I used to be a Mariners fan (yea since 1995) who switched to following the Rays at tailend of the 2007 season due to Dave Cameron’s harping of how good the Rays org has become.

The recent developments in Marinerland has me caring about them again. Can’t wait for a Rays/M’s ALCS in the near future.

by Ben Tumbling on Jan 6, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

They get one more sweet personnel addition.

Then I’ll start hating them for showing off.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Jan 6, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I have rarely seen Christina Kahrl be so positive about a Rays' move.

“To be blunt, it would be hard to find a more perfect signing this winter—length, value, lineup balance, even warm-fuzzy considerations like a Florida resident coming home or the more pragmatic matter of taking a dubious defender and bringing him over to the DH league for a team that has an open DH slot—and there’s really no kink to this deal that shouldn’t leave you impressed.”

From BP today.

by bobr on Jan 6, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

Wow

Sandy is really doing his part to get the team good pub.

by rglass44 on Jan 6, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This paragraph is brutal.
I know it’s polite to talk about the “open competition” in right field between Joyce, Gabe Gross, Justin Ruggiano, Fernando Perez, maybe a re-inked Rocco Baldelli should they go that route, and a partridge from a pear tree to be discovered later, but let’s be serious about the likely outcome of that fight. Talking up Perez is just standard-issue fanthead steals-mongering; he’s a nifty aspiring reserve type on this team, and would make a nice starter in center for several second-division teams, but his offensive production’s well shy of what most teams expect and get from their right fielders, and he barely showed up at the position after his debut for that very reason. Baldelli (should he be re-signed) and Ruggiano are looking at something that might be bigger than a strict platoon role, but I wouldn’t envision either winning the job barring a Joyce disaster on the scale of Exiles this spring. Although the notional incumbent, Gross didn’t contribute much in the way of power, and had some scary-bad moments in the outfield—it’s best if he’s seen as the insurance policy in case Joyce has an awful camp, and perhaps someone who gets dealt before Opening Day when Joyce doesn’t. So why call this a competition? Because it’s January and it’s too early to start squelching ambitions, especially when you’re a team in charge of so many guys’ competing ambitions, so why rush that facts-of-life talk before the convenient fiction of camp performance spells things out for those concerned?

Okay, so she doesn’t comment on Perez’ defense and then says Gross had “some scary-bad moments”? Is it really that hard to look at UZR and note that both are above average? This reeks of her watching the playoffs, seeing Gross playing the worse defense of his career and making presumptions based off of it. That’s unacceptable.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 6, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

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