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Bullpen Arms Race

A post we'll update in order to track the progress of the bullpen search.

Troy Percival

J.P. Howell

Grant Balfour

Dan Wheeler

Chad Bradford

Joe Nelson

Jason Hammel

Derek Rodriguez

Jeff Niemann

Dale Thayer

Juan Salas

Jason Childers

Randy Choate

Julio DePaula

Dewon Day

Mitch Talbot

Italicized = minor league contract

Bold = guaranteed 1 mil+

Underlined = out of options

Strikethrough = won't be in opening day bullpen

16 arms it is.

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Now that Burrell has signed, this is what I was looking forward to talking about next

Things to discuss: should the Rays trade Wheeler or Bradford, better yet, which one could they actually get value for, should the young arms with options even be considered, and lastly, are there any bullpen arms the Rays should be looking to acquire through FA or a trade.

I still would really love if we were somehow able to trade Wheeler to a team looking for a veteran pitcher with late-game experience, but willing to give up a young and talented, yet unproven, bullpen arm with options left. I rememeber Friedman talking about how they would look to get someone with whom they had that option. RJ brought up a great example in Sergio Romo with the Giants weeks ago. Any other ideas?

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 6, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I would think

St Louis would fit that idea.

Motte or Perez come to mind. Those two might be a little out of range though.

Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jan 7, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shouldn't we also consider Orvella and Ryu?

.. as:
- Friedman and Maddon left Ryu on the 40-man when they could have given Morlan a place on it. So … they may think he is good enough to make the pen as he is out of options!
- Orvella was really, really good in the minors (133 hits allowed in 202 innings, 6:1 K/BB ratio!!!)! I don’t know how much he degressed in ’08 because of health issues / injuries … do u know?

by BurGi on Jan 7, 2009 4:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I really

think that all 15 of these guys can be in a major league bullpen.

I’d personally go (with the options we have now)

Troy Percival (lets face it)

Dan Wheeler (I hope he gets dealt for relief, but I doubt it)

Chad Bradford (I think I would rather have chadford than wheeler, but they could both get dealt and I wouldn’t cry over it)

J.P. Howell (little to no chance hes not in)

Grant Balfour (nothing to suggest a regression, but it has to happen, its just ridiculous to think he could put up the same season again, right?)

Joe Nelson (we signed him to be on the major league team, I think hes in as well)

Jeff Niemann (long man, out of options, could we get value for him? I’d personally like to see him at #5 in the rotation and Price in AAA until June, working on his change-up more, but I doubt it happens with the all the hype around Price)

Randy Choate (lots of ground balls, I think he is guaranteed a spot if Chadford is dealth because of the extreme groundball tendencies. I could see Rodriguez or Hammel in this role because of the need for lefty specialist and the options issue respectively)

——————————————————————————————————

I’d like to see

Balfour
(Bradford)
Howell
Nelson
(Wheeler)
Niemann
(Percival)
Choate
Hammel
Salas
Thayer
Rodriguez
Orvella
DePaula
Ryu
Childers
Talbot (I’d rather see him starting in AAA)

as my “depth chart” with the guys in parenthesis as guys who could (I know percival wont be dealt but still) be dealt for salary

by Navi's_Navy on Jan 7, 2009 8:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

First list

whats going to happen, second what I want

by Navi's_Navy on Jan 7, 2009 8:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Niemann

You don’t want Jeff coming out of the bullpen. I go frequently to Durham Bulls games, as I live a few miles from the park. Niemann takes a looooong time to warm up and is usually mediocre until 2-3 innings into his starts. He’s best suited as a 4 or 5 starter.

I don’t know that they’d get much trade value for him. The Phillies need a 4 and 5 starter and have 2 closers (and one guys who loved closing in Brett Myers). If the Rays could live with getting Tom Gordon for Niemann, that would work for both teams. A ho-hum closer for a ho-hum starter.

The worst thing to happen to Price isn’t the hype, it’s the success of the Rays. If the Rays were a middle of the pack team for another year, he could have spent a year at Durham working on his pitches and been called up late season with a better arsenal of pitches. That said, David Price is phenomenal and I doubt he’ll suffer any long term setbacks for being “rushed” to the bigs.

by Cormican on Jan 13, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How I see it, assuming 8 spots

Howell, Balfour, and Nelson seem like sure things. Based on what I’ve seen and know, I think Choate has been pegged as this team’s LOOGY so I’d say he’s in too. I think Niemann makes the most sense as a long reliever/spot starter. Obviously, that leaves Percival, Wheeler, and Bradford as the three expensive guys. If Perci starts on the DL, maybe Jason Hammel stays until he gets back; otherwise I don’t know how the Rays could hold onto him. I see no way that he fits into someone’s long-term plans, and I don’t see how a Rays team that wants to win dumps Bradford exclusively for salary reasons being on the last year of his contract; if they trade him, I’d think they’d want to get major-league ready players in return, not prospects (If they can find a taker for Wheeler on the other hand, I think they’d take whatever they can get). But honestly, I don’t see either being moved. So:

Percival
Wheeler
Bradford
Nelson
Choate
Balfour
Howell
Niemann

Hammel is released or traded for a tank of oxygen, Rodriguez doesn’t make the squad, and the rest of the guys either go back to, or start in, AAA.

Just for S&G, if we go with 7 relievers, Choate probably starts down in AAA until the team can find a spot for him.

by kericr on Jan 7, 2009 9:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine the team starting with 8 relievers

Unless they send Sonnanstine or Price down to AAA for a few weeks because only 4 starters are needed for most of April.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 7, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify

We need 13 guys on offense, period.

- 9 main lineup guys
- backup catcher
- Platoon RF
- Backup MIF
- Backup CIF

I guess you can get away with having Aybar or Zobrist backing up the entire infield, but either one of those would be an ugly sight.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 7, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we had a DH who could field

or if we had a RF who could hit lefties, then maybe we could get away with 12 position players.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 7, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You think we have less roster-flexibility this year?

If I remember correctly we had 8 in the pen most of last year.

by rglass44 on Jan 7, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

We alternated between having 6 and 7 most of the year, depending on various factors:

Percival (injured on and off though, sometimes replaced, sometimes not)
Wheeler
Howell
Miller
Hammel
Reyes (early in the year) / Balfour (replaced Reyes)
Glover for about half the year / Bradford at the very end of the year

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 7, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm... OK

Please quit handing me my lunch today. I’m full.

by rglass44 on Jan 7, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How long is Juan Salas a Ray?

He pitched decent in 07 even after being suspended. I think he has outgrown the minors and hasn’t got a chance to return to Rays for an extended period. I don’t think he has much trade value by himself.

by therayspartyleader on Jan 7, 2009 9:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He has outgrown the minors, in the sense that he's fat

Like, he was really out of shape last year. He never looked horrible while he was out on the mound in the majors despite this, but the Rays were so gun-shy about putting him out there that it makes me wonder what’s up.

by kericr on Jan 7, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They were very timid to put him in close games

doesn’t make sense to me why they would keep him and not use him in what is suppose to be his role in the bullpen, setup man.

by therayspartyleader on Jan 7, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we could get Ugueth Urbina to light a fire under his ass

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 7, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Awesome

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 7, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Any early ideas on whether Wheeler/Percy/Chadford

would be type A/B next year? Maybe some incentive to hold onto the contracts for now.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 7, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It would be pretty sweet to have the 30th and 31st picks next year

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 7, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would have gone with a 5 foot Asian chick with no gag reflex, but sure

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 7, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wheeler as a type B would net more like the 60th pick. 31st pick would be for a top Type A free agent signed by a team in the top 15.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 7, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd go with no,

but predicting Andrew Friedman is as tough as winning the AL East.

Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.

~George Costanza~

by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 12, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Doubt it

Wheeler gets replaced by Nelson, Bradford gets replaced by Rodriguez or Choate. I doubt we’re signing anyone new to a major league deal.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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