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.....we paid him $4.5M this year. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

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.....we paid him $4.5M this year. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

The Rays' bullpen this year was quite the odyssey.  There were times we loved it, but just as frequently, there were times we hated it.  There were times it seemed invincible, but then again, there were times it imploded day in and day out.  Heck, this was a bullpen that had Troy Percival and Jason Isringhausen appear in a combined 23 games this year.  If we could express the 2009 Rays' bullpen through art, it'd look a lot like a Jackson Pollock painting: a mish-mash of colors, all used with a purpose, but still thrown at a wall to see what sticks.  Taken as a whole, it looks really cool and you can appreciate the work that went into making it, but really, why is it so expensive?

I'm reading "Baseball Between the Numbers" at the moment, which is an excellent read on sabremetics for anyone interested.  In one article, Steven Goldman tries to determine what the optimal mix is between offense and pitching; in other words, is pitching really "90% of the game"?  The short answer is, no, you need a blend of offensive talent and pitching depth for a team to actually be competitive.  Goldman finds that most competitive teams actually spend more money on offense than pitching, with pitching totaling around 30-50% of a team's annual payroll on a well-balanced team.

Upon reading this, my first thought was to see how the Rays distributed their payroll this past year.  In graph form, here's a quick breakdown:

 

Overall, the Rays spent 56.1% on offense and 43.9% on pitching, which puts them in the right range for a well balanced team; however, like I said above, what's with the expensive bullpen?  The Rays' bullpen contributed a total of 2 WAR this past year while consuming over 25% of our payroll, so what can we do about this going forward?

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In 2009, the Rays spent 43.9% of their payroll on pitching, and the majority of the money spent on pitching went to their bullpen.  In dollars, the Rays spent approximately $17M this past year on the bullpen and $11M on the starting rotation (and that's assuming we paid the full amount of Kazmir's 2009 salary).  Bullpens are notoriously volatile from year to year, and relief pitchers typically add less value to a club than starting pitchers do, so spending this money on a bullpen seems like an inefficient allocation of resources for a small-market club.  If you don't believe me, take a look for yourself.

2009 Bullpen

Salary (in millions)

Troy Percival

$4.45

Chad Bradford

$3.67

Dan Wheeler

$3.20

Grant Balfour

$1.40

Brian Shouse

$1.35

Joe Nelson

$1.30

Jason Isringhausen

$0.75

Lance Cormier

$0.68

J.P. Howell

$0.43


Talk about a drain on the wallet.  Between Percival, Bradford, Nelson, and Isringhausen, we paid $10M this year for -0.6 WAR.  Considering $10M should be able to net you around 2 WAR on the free-agent market, it was really an unfortunate circumstance.  It's funny too - acquiring each of these four players looked like solid moves at the time.  Joe Nelson and Jason Isringhausen were risky signings, but they had potential high rewards and wouldn't involve much monetary investment.  Chad Bradford was an excellent pick-up down the stretch in 2008 and became a very valuable part of our bullpen come the post-season.  And Troy Percival was a signing that was seen at the time as being a team-friendly contract, and important to help our franchise become more competitive.  He was the first "big name" free agent our team had signed in ages, which if nothing else, showed that our front office was willing to get serious about winning.  It's only when combined that these contracts look like a giant albatross, which goes to show you how important the long view can be when evaluating contracts.

Thankfully, though, each of these four contracts are finally behind us.  With all of this money off the books, how does this leave the Rays' bullpen?  In short, in really good shape.

2010 Locks

2009 Salary

2010 Salary

J.P. Howell

0.434

Arb1

Grant Balfour

1.4

Arb3

Dan Wheeler

3.2

3.5

I don't think anyone is going to dispute that these three are most likely to be back next year.  Wheeler would be the only one I could see leaving, since his $3.5M is a bit steep, but that would involve 1) another team being interested in him, and 2) see point number one.  It's possible, for sure, but my guess is that the Low-Leverage King is back in Tampa again next year.

2010 Questions

2009 Salary

2010 Salary

Lance Cormier

0.675

Arb2

Andy Sonnanstine

0.430

0.430

Brian Shouse*

1.35

2

Jeff Bennett

0.438

Arb1

Joe Nelson

1.3

Arb2

* Has $.2M 2010 buy-out option.

This is where things start to get a little bit murky.  On the chart above, I ranked them in descending order of how likely I think it is they'll be with the Rays next year.  Cormier seems like a good bet to return after his solid 2009, especially considering he's rather cheap still.  Sonnanstine is also cheap and could fill in as the long man in the pen, since there's not looking like there will be a spot for him in the rotation next spring.  He's always been mentioned as a potential bullpen arm and considering how much starting pitching depth our franchise has, I'd rather we convert some starters to bullpen arms rather than let some of the talent waste away in the minors.  The trick is finding the right starters to convert (a la JP), and Sonnanstine seems like a good candidate based on his numbers and scouting report.

Shouse is also relatively cheap and could return to the Rays, although the Rays are going to have to ask themselves if it's worth paying $2M for a LOOGY.  And as for Jeff Bennett and Joe Nelson - I just don't see either returning to the Rays next year.  If the Rays could stash them away cheaply in the minors, then there's a possibility...but that's about it.

So where does all this leave the Rays' 2010 bullpen?  Basically, besides for the three locks, there are plenty of open spaces available for new signings and promotions.  To be honest, the Rays could adequately fill up their entire bullpen with arms from within the franchise (I'm looking at you, Dale Thayer and Winston Abreu), but there are also going to be plenty of cheap arms available on the market this year.  The trick with bullpen arms, though, is to keep the signings cheap and short; like I've said, relief pitchers are notoriously fluky from year-to-year, so there's no point in investing large amounts of money in the bullpen.  We don't want long-term deals like Percival's or Bradford's coming back to bite us years down the road again.  Instead, acquire lots of cheap, risky, medium-to-high reward players, let them have at it during the spring, and see what sticks during the course of the season.  Pollock's paintings may be expensive, but that doesn't mean you have to pay that much money to get the same value; anyone can take a can of paint, some paintbrushes, a blank canvas, and make their own.  Bullpens are the same way - keep it cheap and see what sticks.

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Can't bring Shouse back. R.J. Swindle is a minor lg free agent there's your loogy.

Calero, Benoit, Kelvim Escobar or Brendan Donnelly (posts to come on Escobar and Donnelly). Give me 2 and let’s go.

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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 17, 2009 9:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, whoops.

Forgot that about Shouse. And I’m definitely hoping we get Swindle.

"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige

by Steve Slowinski on Oct 17, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a sec...

I just confused myself. Why can’t we bring Shouse back, besides for the fact that it’d be silly? Or is that all you were implying?

"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige

by Steve Slowinski on Oct 17, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay...that's what I thought

I got confused for a second, though, thinking maybe he was injured and I’d forgotten.

"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige

by Steve Slowinski on Oct 18, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also while the Percival deal blew up in our faces

I’m pretty sure a 2 year deal was the reason he signed with us over the other teams. It worked out for a month on the field and who knows what kinda of “veteran pressence” he left on the younger guys. I still think the process was good, however the result not to so much. Fortunately for us, we are now some what of a destination spot for free agents and shouldn’t be forced into these kinda of deals.

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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 17, 2009 9:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

This is actually the point I was trying to make when talking about Percy.

I don’t think I said it the best. It’s one thing to say, “Well, we thought the process was good at the time, so we just got unlucky”, and another to say, “We thought the process was initially good, but in the end, this bombed on us. Did we actually think this through correctly?” It’s just a matter of tweaking your process going forward, noting instances where things have bombed and making corrections if you think they’re necessary.

Personally, I don’t think the Percy signing was a mistake at the time, so I don’t think it really means the Rays need to tweak much. Now that we’re competitive, though, we should realize that we don’t need to invest any more contracts like this to aging relief pitchers.

"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige

by Steve Slowinski on Oct 17, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should look elsewhere for a closer and nothing else. (2B Aki, C Zaun)

CL
8th Howell
7th Wheeler/Balfour
6th Cormier
LR Sonny
best looking Ray bullpen guy during spring training.

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by Kenny845 on Oct 17, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I wouldn’t mind seeing Thayer up, and his talent level for the long run.

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by Some other guy who does not care on Oct 17, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thayer

and the Stache- what importance?

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by Some other guy who does not care on Oct 17, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Howell
Thayer
Cormier
Sonnanstine
LOOGY
Balfour
X

trading away Wheeler’s contract in this scenario.

by Navi's_Navy on Oct 18, 2009 2:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What about Winston Abreu?

He was redic in AAA this year in 9th inning duties and seems like a perfect internal canidate. Doesnt seem like he has much more to prove in the minors like Balfour two years ago and just need more than a cup of coffee. Does Thayer really seem like that much better of an option than Abreu?

by BossmanJunior333 on Oct 18, 2009 2:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really think we should give him a chance.

He seems like a great arm and he’d be cheap….might as well give him a shot at some point.

"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige

by Steve Slowinski on Oct 18, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So sign him to a minors deal

that’s all it’s gonna take – he a minors FA after all. If he helps as a depth or 25 man piece great, if not nothing lost.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Oct 18, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where's Choate in all this?

The fact is the allocation of payroll is a product of the roster. The Rays spent less on SP’s because they have relatively lower cost young guys to fill those roles. The dollars there will decline again as Kaz is replaced by Davis, with only Garza looking at a significant increase. Even Shields comes relatively cheap at only +1MM.

So comparing the payroll shares of the SP’s and the pen is relatively meaningless. And the Rays will see increased costs on the position player side with raises and arb cases, likely knocking the chart out of whack again. But again, its the product of the specific roster.

The real problem is that the Rays have to now failed to develop internal low cost pen candidates, so have had to acquire talent on the market. And I’m sorry, but my sense is that Thayer and Abreu aren’t the answers if they’ve failed to crack the bigs st this stage in their careers. Though they could suffice as short term “fungible” candidates.

This assumption here is one that I somewhat disagree with. If relievers were so fungible, shouldn’t you really be concerned with Balfour and Howell going forward – they would seem due for downturns. Not hearing that though. The fact is minors contract and low cost relievers are more fungible – that’s why they’re low cost. Often it’s due to recent injury issues, and the Rays have to take low cost risks. But spending on a pen is not inherently wrong – though I fully agree closer spending is completely out of whack.

Seems to me a corollary question should be why the Rays (and some here) aren’t looking at a higher total payroll threshold. The way forward is to continue to grow the revenue / fan base. Winning is what will most likely do that. And the revenue side has been growing in recent seasons – they wouldn’t likely lose money with a payroll in the low to mid $70’s. Ownership has a window this year – if it doesn’t work out, plenty of money could be shed in 2011 (Pena, Crawford, Burrell, Wheeler, Bartlett, Balfour all potential FA’s or replaced by prospects). The Rays are going to have to catch NY or Bos to get back to the playoffs – and they won’t likely sit on their hands.

For the pen I agree JP, Balfour, Wheels, and Cormier likely fit. Solid depth through minors contracts plus Thayer should be added. The a lefty. Sonny and Talbot should fill the long role / SP depth spot (Talbot out of options likely means the job is his to lose). Then you need a guy to fill a late innings role. It isn’t as simple as a closer, an 8th inning guy, and 7th, … typically 2 setup guys is what you want. Adding a guy that could close or setup is the best option. Nothing wrong with spending a little for that.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Oct 18, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Rays have low-cost relief options.

Rollins, Phillips, Reid, and Gorgen could likely make the leap. Plus there’s Talbot, Sonnanstine, and McGee.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 18, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only Talbot and Sonnanstine have even tasted the majors

And not as relievers. The other 3 haven’t had significant time above AA. You’re willing to stake this seson’s playoff chances on that? Yes, they may contribute going forward. But I’m not precluding that – I’m just not counting on them in 2010. We’ll see what the future brings. Plus I incorporated Talbot and Sonny as part of the equation above.

I’m not talking about going out and signing 2 or 3 guys to multi-year relief deals. I believe I said 1 guy, plus a lefty. I’m not convinced Shouse wouldn’t suffice if he’s healthy. A year at $2MM isn’t a huge risk – but he’d need a backup or 2 in AAA, and there may be better candidates for the money.

RJ, you know as well as any that minors performance doesn’t guarantee majors success. Gorgan looks good, Phillps had a nice year, and McGee certainly has talent. Reid and Rollins we’ll see. But in 2010, I wouldn’t count on any of them in Tampa. Not to say that couldn’t change, but it shouldn’t be relied on.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Oct 18, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're talking about middle relievers.

I don’t consider that staking the playoff chances on them to be honest.

Plus, I’m more than happy signing Calero/Benoit/Donnelly/Escobar on cheap deals or going after Betancourt/Saito.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 18, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It always comes down to how much

What are you expectations of cost for these guys? Donnelly and Escobar could come cheap since they saw limited action. Benoit? He could land about anywhere from a minors deal to over $2MM depending on who’s looking. Calero certainly earned a good number, and he doesn’t have many more seasons to cash in on. Betancourt and Saito are both looking at the good possibility of over $3MM. Would you pay that? Personally I think the Rays are in position to make a deal in that range or better if they choose.

I don’t think middle relief is so meaningless – carrying guys like that will push Wheeler and Cormier more to the back end. Seems to me the goal should be pushing them the other way if possible.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Oct 18, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't specifically comparing the rotation and bullpen...

More making the point that we spent 25% of our payroll on 2 WAR out of the bullpen. That’s inefficient, no matter how you look at it.

As for your other points, true, but look at where we got Balfour and JP from. At the time we threw them in our bullpen, they would have fallen into the category of “freely available bullpen help”, the sort of players I’m talking about acquiring here; now, after giving them a chance, they’ve both reached their potential. I’m not saying that everyone is going to do that, but I do feel that it’s really silly to spend lots of money on bullpen arms when 1) they’re pitchers and therefore, inherently more prone to variation than position players, 2) they’re pitching in small sample sizes, 3) at the very most, they contribute 1-2 WAR per season, and 3) there are a heck of a lot of talented players out there that are available for cheap.

If we want to spend money to make a run for it, which I think is a solid idea, the bullpen shouldn’t be the area to do that. Even the best relievers only contribute 2 WAR in the best-case scenario, and they’re really expensive. We should look to spend in other areas, like at catcher or in the rotation.

"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige

by Steve Slowinski on Oct 18, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't agree

C is certainly an area of concern, both in 2010 and going forward.

 I can’t see a pressing need to bolster the rotation with what’s in place. Sure, sign a minors guy or 2 for added depth, but that’s not the issue. If some of the current SP’s don’t perform the Rays don’t make headway anyway. It’s not like a 2-3 WAR SP is going to be sitting there for chump change. Who’s available that fits that description and could be cheap?

Another good arm is needed for the back of the pen. If a 2 WAR guy could be gotten for $3MM, that’s a very good deal. At $7MM it still makes sense. The need is likely for 1 guy, plus a lefty. I think RJ’s and others past suggestions have been pretty good – but they all carry risk, as does any acquisition. It’s a matter of choosing what risks to take. Beyond that, is it possible that WAR isn’t the right metric, or that it could understate win value of RP’s?

by nyyfaninlaaland on Oct 18, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I get your point

You’re right – the main area we need to upgrade is the bullpen. I threw out SP because really, besides bullpen, that’s our weakest spot on the team. Not that it’s “weak” – it’s quite strong still – but it could use improvement before our starting lineup. But like you said, that wouldn’t come cheap either.

I also like the ideas that RJ and Tommy have been throwing out there for the pen, so it’s not like I’m saying we shouldn’t spend anything on the pen this off-season. It really depends on how much the FO can spend and how much they think we need to put us over the top. Do we need a top-flight RP to get us in the playoffs this next year? It depends on your point of view, really….it’s tough to say and you could argue it either way. I can understand the rationale behind going for it…like you said, 2010 is a huge year for us so we might as well go big and try to win now.

I guess I just personally have trouble dishing out large proportions of money to the bullpen, but it is the area that we can easily upgrade quickly going into next year. I’m hoping we keep the spending rather contained, but we’ll see what happens.

"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige

by Steve Slowinski on Oct 18, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong

I see your mathematical point – but injuries, performance slips, etc. happen on every team. You’ve identified where things went wrong. But they largely went wrong due to injury. Bradford could in fact be worth $3.5 MM in 2010 if healthy. Izzy was a shot in the dark for depth – moves like that is what almost all here are suggesting.

That doesn’t mean the “solution” isn’t to do similar – make what seems like a good decision – and then hope it works as planned. That’s the likely scenario. Couldn’t guys like Mike Gonzalez, Gregg, Rodney, Soriano, Dorel, Howry, Lyon, Putz, even Wagner be considered if the price tag didn’t get nuts? Some may not make sense – I haven’t looked at their predictive numbers. Coupled with some of the suggestions made here by others, it seems there might be some options – I just don’t think spending some money in the pen is necessarily wrong.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Oct 18, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gregg might be undervalued. Same with Howry/Putz.

But a few of those guys are Type-As too, which eliminates them.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 18, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But will they be offered arb?

Howry might, but I don’t see that happening for Gregg or Putz.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Oct 19, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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