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OTTOTD 10/29: Raymondo's Cliff Lee Poo Sandwich Edition

 

Just throwing this out there for you statmasters

When is the last time Cliff Lee started what one would call a high leverage game?

 

remember it was Raymondo who said don't get Lee

in the ALE, he’s not nearly dominate

by Raymondo on Aug 5, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

 

 

Anyone else happy we didn't get Lee and lose Kazmir?

Keep Kazmir--Fuck Lee

While getting a #1 SP is what this thread is about

i can’t get excited about it, for the above mentioned And Lee in his career, is not that great v BOS and NYY

 

I'm not a fan of Cliff Lee

he’s a freakin hillbilly and not a fan fav, albeit, he seems to have learned to pitch

 

Cliff Lee is such an arrogant punk

btw --re-call when all but me went ga ga over Cliff Lee

check out his last 6 or 7 starts with PHL and that’s not exactly NYY or BOS line-ups he’s facing

 

I don't like Cliff Lee v ALE

by sternfan1 on Aug 19, 2009 10:23 AM PDT on B.J. Upton & Grady Sizemore Continue on the SimilarPath on DRaysBay

and the fact the Rays would only rent him

 

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Why would you post Friday's OTT on 11:30 PM Wednesday?

Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.

by P Brady on Oct 28, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Go to bed young P

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like how the quotes spanned the Raymondo and sternfan1 eras

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So the Magic looked like buckets of fun last night

I did not realize Ryan Anderson was only 21. He’s a much cheaper Rashard clone.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Decent all-around night, I can take the downgrade in offensive explosiveness if he gives us an uptick in being able to guard somebody

They looked umm MAGICAL last night. 120 without Rashard and the high-man had 21. Such freaking depth and Vince fit in right away. Me likey.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think hes much of an offensive downgrade

Rashard has a solid but never utilized post game. Hes awful at putting the ball on the floor or pulling up off the dribble. Hes an incredibly overrated player. The depth and fresh legs are awesome. EVery player seems to have a niche and purpose. Well done Otis.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree great move

I do like Rashard better on the slash and dish or getting to the rim for a putback. On this team they just want him to stay on the perimeter, but the few times that he’s gone against that and gone to the rack it has been great. The suspension works out great, I just want to see R-andy (what do you think?) continue to shoot over 40% from behind the arc.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Major bye week issues this week, pick 2 of the following for 1 week only

Garcon, Nate Washington, Mark Clayton, Lance Moore, John Carlson, Zach Miller, Shockey

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Denver has crazy reverse splits when it comes to receivers.

25th against #1s, first against #2s.

I’d roll with Nate Washington and Zach Miller. Gradkowski can’t throw it deep, so I imagine he’ll just dump it off to Miller the whole time. And San Diego is 18th vs TE.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying to trade the Eagles D(Eagle/Viking platoon) for Maclin

Schedule really starts to favor the Vikings over Philly. Maclin gives me good long term value.

As far as the shmegma listed above, I already own Moore and Washington and have a 1 unit bid on Garcon (double bonanza w Peyton potential). It all looks so mediocre that I’m tempted to stand pat and roll with Garcon and either Moore or Wash. I feel better about Wash if Collins plays. Moore is likely to have more scoring chances snce the Saints score 40+ a week.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Collie's kind of taken Garcon's chances for touches, so it's sort of russian roulette with him.

Same with Lance Moore, through every keeps telling me he’s going to be a big part of the offense.

Wash is a good choice if Collins plays, but you won’t know until later today, I suppose.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garcon out-targeted Collie last week

(Think he had 8) I know its whatever the defense gives to Peyton, but I always feel better about my chances with the hugh octane stuff. (Moore and Garcon)

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4 Rec-less props from SRQ, Thaddeus, BW, and Sutree

I was aiming for the first Rec’d FanPost OTTOTD. I’m generally not one to plead for Recs but since the prerequisite number of props have been given……

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Quit bitching.

I will rec after test.

by SRQman on Oct 29, 2009 9:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I rec'd ya buddy, I just want that ego to stay enormous not dormant.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, you are cruising to Rookie Commenter of the Year at this point

kstruthe and blackraven also chipped in with silent yet meaningful recs

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's what I do.

I had to log in and everything, that should speak volumes.

by blackraven on Oct 29, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that the other day

It’s not an uncommon practice, though to what extent I don’t know. I’d have to do some digging, but I’ve found quite a few articles that talk about punters/kcikers having LTBE clauses dealing with leading the league in catches or something. It’s a way to roll cap money and preserve it.

This just calls out the Bucs on it and it doesn’t look good, but I think it’s more common than we anticipate.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Compete for a championship, no

But its really not that different a team than last year, outside coaching philosophy

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scheme can make a huge difference.

Would Pittsburgh have been as good had Tomlin walked in and switched to Cover 2? The same personnel can yield wildly different results with the change of system

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

Did Tomlin walk in and switch the scheme? Or did he work with the personnel he had to make things work? This administration has failed at least twice in my opinion, with their coordinator hires. The book remains out on Olsen (Olson). Those were the biggest decisions new admins make, and they bombed. I don’t think its comparable to the situation in KC, where they ousted an incumbant OC.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we won't ever know.

I think the switch to this scheme, regardless of personnel was a poor decision. Not whether that came from the top or was a Morris or Dominik decison we’ll never know. Whoever made that choice failed to do any due diligence and recognize what we currently had in place player-wise and the movement of the league.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, I'm sure they both had their input

I don’t think the Glazers were involved beyond the GM/HC decisions. But of course, its fail all the way around.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Over one season, yes

But the implicit detail is that they haven’t been spending for at least two years in a row and probably farther back. Going out and signing guys over one off-season is foolish, but if you can get 1-2 guys a year that fit your system then you will have a pretty good team after 2-3 years. I agree that they aren’t competitive this year, but it doesn’t hurt to spend to the level that the league has deemed a minimum. I don’t think it’s wise to shut everything down unless you have a guaranteed contender. It’s not fair to the fans, it’s not fair to the team, and it’s not fair to the coach that has his feet on a trap door and a noose around his neck.

The Tigers went from a historically bad team in 2003 to a World Series team 3 years later, by a) cultivating young pitching and b) signing 1-2 good free agents every year during that period.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since 2005 the money has been "rolled over" I believe

the issue is, in hindsight, does it make a difference? Had we added players to our previous regime, would they be worth as much now? Adding a Cato June or other Cover 2 guy would be close to fruitless this year. On offense we could have used the guys, but on defense, it’s almost a moot point.

Doesn’t excuse them from not spending in previous years as no one could predict the move to this scheme.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn’t excuse them from not spending in previous years as no one could predict the move to this scheme.

It’s called foresight. This is pretty weak stuff for how thinly-veiled their pay to the bottom strategy has been. It’s pretty evident what’s going on, it just took this final piece for me to come around. What’s the point in rolling over the money? Free Agents still have to want to play for your team, regardless of the dollars, and there has been no move to lock up internal talent. Oh yeah, we gave 10M guaranteed to Stone Hands. If Vince or Culverhouse were rolling over money we would call it like it is. That’s its being rolled right up into their pockets. Let the record show, that I am all for rolling over money as long as ticket prices see a similar drop in price.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In their defense (only in terms of scheme and willingness to spend)

they went really hard after Haynesworth and Vilma, who potentially woudl have ade this scheme far more effective. Inability to adjust after not reeling them in, is a sign of incompetence.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only explanation I can offer is this

The old regime, mainly Bruce Allen, had indicated prior to his firing that the Bucs intended to spend all that money rolled over. He has several quotes out there to that effect. When he was canned, and Dominik brought in, either the handcuffs were put on them by the Glazers, or they said swing with Big Albert and if you miss, we aren’t spending.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The non-spending really doesn't bother me

Yes, it would have made the team marginally more competitive, but I have no problem with building from within.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, basically I have no faith in Domenik/Morris

If the best move you can point to mid-way through the first year is realizing your own mistake in the hiring of your first-OC, its going to be hard to feel optimistic.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This isn't on the same level as the Bucs ($228k counting as $25MM) but here are some examples

2005 to 2006

Another idea

2008 numbers

An ok explanation of LTBE

and one last one

If the Bucs were winning, I don’t think this would be an issue. But with the losses piling up, the obvious cap room space, this gets a bit more attention.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nor do they always win when they max out ala Dan Snyder

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course not, I just was contending this statement
If the Bucs were winning, I don’t think this would be an issue. But with the losses piling up, the obvious cap room space, this gets a bit more attention

Teams that don’t spend near the bottom of the barrel, more foten than not will not succeed that year. Long term planning might be sound though..

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well the article states that the Vikings were over the cap last year and then took on Favre's 12M

They look to be playoff-bound. I would say more teams that spend over the cap make it to the playoffs than teams that spend under the cap.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the nuts and bolts
A person familiar with the finances of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers says that last season, the team signed two free-agents, running back Noah Herron and defensive end Patrick Chukwurah, for contracts that totalled $25 million. Under the rules of the salary cap, the Buccaneers were charged that full amount for the players. But to actually earn that money, each player had to, among other things, block six punts apiece—an exceedingly difficult prospect. In the end, neither player ended up taking a single snap. Mr. Herron was paid $157,000 and Mr. Chukwurah $71,000, although the team’s salary-cap number reflected the full value of their contracts. Tampa Bay, which ranked among the lowest teams in spending last season, has lost all six of its games. Tampa Bay and NFL officials declined to comment.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always wondered if a loophole like this existed. Now I know.

It angers me that the Bucs get the first $2m in revenues from Bulls games, because I don’t want to give that group of people one red cent of my money.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Oct 29, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

11 sacks is unacceptable.

Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.

by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Over/Under on non-DRB, non-UNFNole comments?

1.5?

It really is bad to look at some of those stats and get punched right in the face with them.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sitting at 1 right now. Easy money.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome. Still way under then.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What happens first, more than 2 non-DRB comments, or the Bucs first win?

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You;ll get a few by the time next season is underway, don't worry

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On this piece? The latter.

That baby won’t be on the front page come tonight.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although BE user "Bucs" may comment on how spineless and gutless the GM/HC are.

Since apparently he’s able to tell that sort of thing from his couch.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think maybe you did

too good a job on that one. You didn’t really leave anything up in the air. You stated your argument pretty coherantly. I just don’t think you left anything unsaid, for either side of the issue. Unless someone flat out disagrees with those numbers then they most likely aren’t going to disagree with you.

Paul is new to this. It will take him awhile to get used to the back of forth of blogging, rather than writing something and being done with it.

I don’t think J.J. is going to be anywhere near as good as any of the guys you put up, but you can’t argue with the numbers. Sometimes you just get a gut feeling from a guy. I think he will never be better than a backup, but I could very well be wrong about it.

I’m just looking forward to Freeman’s first game and seeing how far this kid has to go before he can win us a game here and there.

You get what you pay for.

by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus,

On Bucem, the longer a comment is, it seems likely that is less likely to get a response. I don’t know if most of the readers have the patience to read through a long comment, and then respond.

Just my take, the overall site participation level seems to be dwindling with each loss as well.

Fickle Fans suck.

You get what you pay for.

by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on R.J.

You’re better than that man. Everyone can’t be a great writer, or in this case even a good reader. Some people just aren’t educated. They can still be fans and have opinions.

Personally I think you guys should cut the users over at Bucem some slack. They may be prone to rambling rants and misspellings but their hearts are in the right place.

You get what you pay for.

by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have violated the TOS by agreeing with someone.

That’s why opinions don’t hold much water anywhere. Not directed at you, but do some research, then state a case. I don’t care what someone thinks when the evidence, the processes and the stats point elsewhere.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey man

You won’t get any argument out of me that you can’t argue with stats, but I’m not going to say that I don’t care what someone thinks.

Reading blogs is about entertainment after all. It is sometimes entertaining to read

“Raheem Morris sucks, he doesn’t know what he is doing. I hope he dies. He is the worst coach in the history of the world.”

Logic, reasoning, stats and evidence are to be valued for sure, but we’re not Vulcans man. Sometimes you gotta go with your gut and be a James Tiberius Kirk kinda guy.

Opinions are what blogging is all about. There is a difference between blogging and sports reporting. I’ve done both and I think reporting is very boring. That’s why I didn’t pursue a career in it after college.

I saw where you said yourself that people just want to have a place to come and vent their frustrations about the team, and for a lot of people that is Bucem, including myself.

You can easily rip apart their arguments. It should be very easy for you. I just don’t think you guys see the value in the passion that they bring to the table. It adds something to the overall atmosphere of the site. Everyone is not going to like it obviously, but you are never going to get everyone to agree on one thing.

You get what you pay for.

by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it depends on what the site is

DRB clearly is not for that. I am of the opinion that message boards are more for that type of ranting. However, the head of the blog can organize it, however he or she sees fit.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say I agree with

that 100%

I’m still feeling my way around here, obviously you can get a way with a lot more on here than you can on Bucem, as long as you use proper grammar :-)

The difference between the two sites is pretty substantial. Surprising since they are both SBNation official fan sites. I guess the head of the blog has a lot of leeway in how the site is ran. I respect R.J.‘s rules, just as I respect Niko’s. As for which one is better, who am I to say?

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by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to comment on the JJ subject for a moment.

There’s no question he didn’t perform well. I don’t think the team neccessarily set him to succeed – Olson mentioned in the paper today how they thought spreading it out would be a good idea to take advantage of JJ’s mobility instead of doing what you should do with any rookie, which is protect him and what they’ll do with Freeman – but there’s no question he didn’t perform. But, he didn’t perform well and that’s the bottom line.

I think he’ll have another chance down the road to start for another team, but it’s a shame he didn’t get a long look with better coaching and better receivers.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you clear this up for me?
but there’s no question he didn’t perform. But, he didn’t perform well and that’s the bottom line.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE

CUZ STONE COLD SAID SO

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zing!

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh by the way

The Phillies were dominant last night, and I actually enjoyed watching the Yanks get beat. Frenatic.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I forgot how good it felt when the yankees lost.

Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.

by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, yea

I had the same feeling, apathetic headed in, anti-Yankee by the first inning

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

I was surprised how quickly I flipped after talking a good game of staying impartial. Let’s go Phils. Frenatic

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

Nice of you to show up to the party. I’m sure this comment is in jest, but I don’t recall ever comapring the two?

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by FreeZorilla on Nov 3, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just alerted to it

i’ll be paying special attention to some of your “picks to click”

later

by sternfan1 on Nov 3, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Told you guys

Nothing better than those fuckers losing.

by SRQman on Oct 29, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They wouldn't have signed vilma

I think it was pre-decided.

T-Jack is back, J.J has went back to sucking, Bates won't blitz, Raheem's bored.

by Some other guy who does not care on Oct 29, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The issue with the contract is, the bottom line was better with the Bucs, but the structure was not.

The Skins coughed up more guaranteed. If the Bucs wanted him, they had the room to make a 110% offer. You dont want to overpay for a guy, but if you have cap room (fictional) of $40 MM and the other teams are at $20MM, you can afford to put that higher offer out there. Make it a tough decision for him, or an offer he can’t turn away from.

Leverage the facts in your favor. That was my beef. What Hayneswroth’s true value in dollars is, I don’t know, but if we wanted him, we could have made an offer that he couldnt pass up.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And as a follow up, if we had to outspend Washington to get someone, that's not a good deal.

Even someone of Haynesworth’s caliber, the risk of injury and declining performance is extremely, extremely high.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, turns out it made no difference where he want, both teams are awful

Couldve saved some state income tax though.

I’d really like to breakdown the offer that the Bucs put out and Skins in terms of guaranteed dollars, first 3 years, and overall money, but have no access to the Bucs offer.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Haynesworth would have made a huge difference for us because of the vast difference in talent between him and our current DL.

Where as, although Washington was adding a very good player, they all ready had a strong defensive tackle rotation. Haynesworth would have made our defensive line good enough that instead of being the worst defense, we’d probably just be in the bottom half.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but Haynesworth correctly evaluated our team (not good)

He is a difference maker when healthy, and one we desparately needed.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are other ways to spend money, though

How about making a commitment to the players that have proven themselves? I know that this season is a complete tryout, but why did we not extend P-Buc (whom I’m sure is getting torched, but we had no one else ready to step up, Ronde doesn’t count)? Why have Tanard, Wilkerson, and Joseph not been extended? For PR reasons you can throw money at guys like AH (not that the team would be conclusively better), but you can structure the deal such that they will find a better deal, ultimately, and it still looks like you are doing right by your fans. Vilma is the same boat, we threw our name in at the last minute as if we were sincere about a play. Same with the Cutler trade. What about signing Jabari Greer or any of the other young corners out there that went for market value and would make our turd of a secondary look somewhat beefed?

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they have no idea what the pulse is and figured they would bring back a fan-favorite for market value

Except they don’t realize that Clayton is talentless and the fan base hates him. They literally could have given that money to Jerry Rice to stand on the sidelines in pads and it would have gone to a better cause, and at least we could say we have Jerry Rice.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I think they let Buchannon go because he's been a miserable failure in man coverage throughout his career.

Despite his physical talents, Buchannon performed much better in the Tampa Two then the heavy Cover 1 schemes in Oakland and Houston.

I wouldn’t extend Tanard, Wilkerson, and Joseph either yet. Rookie contracts are a beautiful thing.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't happy about P-Buc leaving town. Mack and Cox aren't better.

My opinion is the reason those guys haven’t been extended is the Glazers don’t typicallyl extend with more than one year left. T-Jack will (I hope) get his due when it’s time, as will Joseph. Ruud situation is actually kind of fascinating to see how it plays out. I initialy couldn’t believe they didn’t re-sign him, but after seeing him in Bates’ scheme, I’m not sure of his monetary value. Thus far, it looks like the right call was made to not sign him before the year. (I’m only talking dollar and cents compared to value in scheme)

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never ever agreed with that. In any sense

Was a dumb move to extend for such a high price a guy who has a history of being injured and being a cry baby. Completely flabbergasted.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, put W/L aside

Create a ledger of good move/bad move. Its really depressing.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Move

Gives us something to write about.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if there will be any re-signings towards the end of the year.

Don’t even know who the candidates would be outside of Ruud (surely wants to test market now), AB (same as Ruud), and Penn.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm torn on resigning Penn.

Performance wise, he’s been among the best left tackles the last few years (in terms of pass protection). Watching him, though… if he gets hurt, or even loses an ounce of quickness, he’s cooked.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you have to bite the bullet and sign him to a 3-5 year contract.

Finding a good left tackle is an extremely difficult proposition and I’m not sure there are any guys in this draft who are going to be NFL ready.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With so many other needs, I try to lock him up for 3 years, our draft needs to be centered on DL with a

prolific receiver in the next 2 years. The third year of being awful we can get a high pick OL

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully the Bears poop the bed and that pick slides up

Dez Bryant in the second round could become a possibility

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys who get suspended for an entire season tend to drop even further.

I mean, unless your name is Mike Williams and Matt Millen still runs a team.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you burn 40-65 pick on him at this point?

If he’s there I think that you have to. A possession receiver with SS underneath and KW2 up the seam sounds pretty funky for a certain Half-Caveman QB.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on what's there.

If there’s a talented big body, particularly a DL, I’d probably shoot for that.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping to get Suh in the top 5, overpay for a John Abraham/Trent Cole strictly pass rusher in FA

and then get a possession receiver in the second. At this point we are stuck with Josh Freeman so I at least want him to have some weapons at his disposal. Jamarcus Russell is obscenely bad because his RB’s have bigger ego’s than numbers and his WR’s are not good. A good-to-great receiver can hide a lot of deficiencies in a mediocre-to-solid QB.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

I never understood why teams take the big armed QB that has had trouble reading and completing in the past. I guess Peyton would be an exception, but he never had any trouble completing passes, he just happens to have a big arm when he needs it.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peyton is as cerebral as they come

Russel has the same arm with no head

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And a marshmallow puff body

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, but Kyle Boller, Ryan Leaf, I would think the dropout rate is higher for the all arm-no brain QB

Than vice-versa. Grads is always going to have a job in the NFL.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I first saw Russell (I was a big fan of Marcus Randall, the senior who split time with him), I thought he would be a first overall pick.

Of course, that was with the assumption that his mechanics and decision making would improve.

I think he has the talent to be an NFL quarterback, but he had a lot of holes in his game and obviously he’s not the most dedicated cat in the world. Big and tall like Flacco is fine, as long as the decision making, accuracy, and attitude are there. Of course, I thought Flacco would be a bust.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I'm all kinds of fucked up today.

The second line should read,“So to excuse them of not pursuing free agents isn’t correct.” Which is a double negative anyway?

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TheCharlieDay Watch Rowdy Roddy Piper on Sunny tonight!

This intrigues me.

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, yes, Rowdy Roddy Piper. Please tell me everyone here is a fan of They Live!

“I’m here to kick ass and chew bubblegum… and I’m all out of bubblegum.”

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just going to say that I hope they spoof the shit out of that

If Mac can only see Rowdy with sunglasses on I’m going to shit my pants.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"PUT ON THE DAMN SUNGLASSES"

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately
7 52 “The Gang Wrestles for the Troops”3 TBA TBA October 29, 20095 TBD
There’s nothing more American than wrestling. That’s why the gang has decided to put on a wrestling show for the returning troops. Meanwhile, Dee is surprised when the soldier she has been chatting with online is not what she expected.

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lame, sunglasses or I won't watch

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After reading his wiki page I really want to see Silence of the Hams

DOM DELUISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Thing, They Lives, and Big Trouble in Little China... I can watch these movies at any time.

Particularly, The Thing. That movies still holds up today in terms of awesomeness.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked the Snake Pliskin movies

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GALLAGHER IS COMING TO PORT CHARLOTTE GET YOUR TICKETS NOW

LINK

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the JP post is somewhat of a flop

I suppose I should stick to the cutting and pasting vs writing

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I liked it, but what are we going to comment about, nobody comments on my Top-30 pieces,

but I would rather have 0 comments than bring up a controversial question just to get people to talk about me.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was well-written and informative.

There’s really nothing to say negative about it, which is why there are no comments and the OTTOTD saps up alot of the snarky stuff.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fastball called strike rates are pretty unreal for 86 MPH

I know his junk his tough to hit, but its amazing how he gets people to chase that while letting the fastballs float by.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always thought a big part of it is that his pitches are so complementary, which you hit on the head. Peep this:

This was a start selected at random. You see all these pitches all over the place and yet, here’s where they ended up:

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can see from the top-down view that his four-seamer starts right at a righty before back-dooring him

I could see a lot of guys taking that pitch same with his other fastball, it starts out right at a guy before turning over after the batter has already committed.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great input.

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You two need to just have buttsecks and get this shit over with.

The tension is killing the rest of us.

What you think all the guns is for? All purpose war, got the Rottweilers by the door. And I feed 'em gunpowder, so they can devour the criminals, tryin' to drop my decimals.

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 29, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back from your morning lynch?

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tried but those bastards are quick as hell.

Probably from chasing rabbits barefoot around in the fields of south Florida.

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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 29, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PAHOKEEEEEEEEE

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's pool our moneys together

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard rumblings of this also, I wonder how true it is

and if the team will remain in Tampa.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be shocked if it were to be moved.

That stadium is relatively new and we sold out for like 10 straight years.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until this year (sold out I mean)

Tampa to LA, Jags to London.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I would riot if the Bucs got moved.

Jags, what the fuck ever, they’ve never sold out well, even when they were good.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it, particularly since the economic situation over there isn't much better than in the US.

Not to mention any NFL team would be competing with Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham, and West Ham alone in the city.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yes, the NFL games are on Sunday, but big EPL games often get played on Sunday.

Even if all EPL games were played on Saturday, Tottenham and West Ham fans are largely middle-class folk without a lot of disposable income. Maybe you’d get business owners buying luxury seats (which I believe Arsenal has had a problem with at the Emirates, though PoW may be more informed about this), but I can’t imagine a team being wildly successful over there.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would too. I'd also probably stop rooting for them and pick a new team.

I’m not implying that is what will happen, but if they are sold, you have to wonder what happens down the road.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here

PFT looks at it

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, not really

He answers to himself only which is refreshing, but he can at times be a bit of a blowhard.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

High quantity might give that impression

He does have a lot of connections, I don’t think he’s any worse than most of the hack guessers at ESPN.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schefter is God.

I don’t know how that man does it.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Link?

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Laughing so hard I'm crying.

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This
To Whom It May Concern:

In the ninth generation after the reign of the frost gnomes, when the sparrow prince cleaved his soul to the diamond-pure heart of the Maiden of the Moors, a celestial race came forth from the heavens and bore fruit. They were the Nephalim, and they consorted with earthly women and fathered a race of giants and gunslinger quarterbacks. The descendants of the giants are still among us, and they have the power to transmute metals and see within the hearts of men, and also to fire blitz and hold dominion over non-flowering plants. When challenged by these descendants of the celestials, do not make eye contact, lest they replace your soul with that of a pit demon, and also know that the world will end on December 21, 2012, when the frost gnomes run out of timeouts and can no longer challenge the Mayan overlords.

Go Phillies,
Darren Daulton.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This might be my favorite quip from the actual book review:
A few seasons later, Riley is a star linebacker for the Colorado Mustangs. His best friend on the team is Sal Ricci, an Italian-born tight end who came to the PFL after starring in an Italian minor league. Ricci is a bit of a mystery man, but he and Riley seem oblivious to an impending threat as several terrorists slip across the Canadian border armed with a plan to hit American capitalism where it will hurt the most: Minneapolis.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elam is awesome
Hicks reveals that he’s a multiple divorcee who left his first wife after she refused to have an abortion and slapped his second wife when the pressure after 9-11 got to him.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where's the wu-tang?
SUNDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2009

What this blog will be about
This blog will really be about 3 things
1) Sports
2) Video Games
3) Sport picks

I might throw some Wu-Tang in there too.

-Another day,
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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially if he ever puts on a bunch of weight

Fat-short guys should take note of this.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marc Normandin?

I hope he shows up on the back of that black horse-guy

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think I do, but my smile and nod allows me to fit in

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeepers that's aggressive

I don’t know which I would rather see less. I suppose the Yid Army does seem like the black horse at times, but I’m more used to seeing them being the rapee. Disgusting.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BJ, Sonny, or Gabe?

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't realize Sat morning meetups had to involve EPL

I was trying to figure out who the equestrian was

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone going to the FSU game this weekend?

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're on a roll old man

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vince Young to start against the Jags.

I probably wouldn’t pick up Washington, FreeZo.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was probably the worst kept secret this week

that VY was starting.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's up there with

THE BUCS HAVE BEEN SOLD*

*Unnamed sources have confirmed this, I cannot name my sources due to them not existing.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MARK CUBAN BOUGHT THE BUCS?????

SWEETZ.

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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 29, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In order of preference at this point, Maclin, Garcon, Moore

We will not deviate from these 2 of these 3 barring unforeseen events

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moore has the best matchup.

It’s a toss up between Maclin and Garcon.. I’d probably go with Maclin. Better potential for a big play.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think most snaps goes Maclin, Garcon, Moore

team offensive pts goes Moore, Garcon, Maclin

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Man, check this out from 3QC, actually feel borderline bad at this pt
thanks Zo-man if Hellicscksonnastine or whatever the frig his name is supposed to be would have simply done that, this might have been avoided

actualy glad it wasn’t so him being an asshole is exposed

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When its not your day......

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently he didn't click the link

I do not apologize for not doing the legwork that a buffoon could figure out in 8 seconds.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't blame you, but its awesome that he didn't click the link

If you acted like an arse, what does it say about me?

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you don't want to be lumped in with me

I don’t see how I’m an a-hole out of that. Don’t ask stupid questions and you won’t get stupid responses. I just typed “Rashard” “Lewis” “suspended” in lower case without the quotation marks and got this

It literally took 0.26 seconds to retrieve 71,300 links and maybe 3 seconds for me to type it in. I’m not going to talk about this anymore so do your worst SF1.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts on Rounders 2 being developed?

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

same cast? Sounds risky

Hold Em was so much less mainstream then. The original seems dated.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are also making a sequel

to Boondock Saints. It’s going to be glorious.

You get what you pay for.

by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there's no Willem Dafoe then I won't watch.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The part where he slaps

the dude for wanting to cuddle is hilarious.

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by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Duke is the man

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boondock Saints II drops tomorrow.

I’ll see it.

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me too.

Do you know if Troy Duffy directed? I saw documentary on that guy. After making Boondock Saints he was pretty much blackballed from Hollywood for some reason. The last it said about him was that he was bartending somewhere in his home town. Poor guy.

Btw Suttree you’re a tool box. That was the weakest rant I’ve ever read in my life.

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by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, I know

Shift button.

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by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Troy Duffy is directed it.

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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 29, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

-5/10 for using tool box for the third time.

Come up with some new insults, cock taco.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

aww but that one

seemed to get to you so well. It’s a shame to put it in the storage bin already.

Cock taco = lame

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by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I appreciate the compliment. It means a lot coming from a true wise ass such as yourself. I aspire to be as cool as you one day.

Here’s a rant for ya.

Tomorrow, when you wake up in a the pigsty that you are forced to call your residence, which may or may not also be called your mother’s basement. I want you to waddle your fat ass on over to the mirror and take a good hard look at yourself. Not at the puss filled sack of herpes on your lips from eating out the $50 hookers on Dale Mabry, put past that, right into your stupid brown eyes. Now as you’re thinking about killing yourself for the umpteenth time this week, I want you to say out loud “Thank you LeeCaz, thank you so much for giving me a reason to keep on living, if it weren’t for you I would have eaten that bullet a week ago, but your clever and witty banter keeps me up and provides a reason for me to carry on my worthless existence”

Once you done that, then you can go jack off to midget porn or whatever else it is you start off your failure of a day with.

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by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Horses?

as in Catherine the Great thing for horses?

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by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats on making SRQ not the shittiest OTT poster

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really

I thought you had that one all wrapped up in Christmas Paper buddy.

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by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wtf is christmas?

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With this hairdo, clearly this guy does not celebrate Christmas

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is the new guy stalking me?

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is from like 2 years ago :(

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a phone.

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TV Remote hanging off my dresser

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MIght a suggest a higher resolution camera?

That pic could keep you from getting a job (as well as child-labor laws)

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Check out the hair

He has a solid future working at his dad’s bank. You, of all people, should know this.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody in my family is jewish, btw.

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There used to be no gays either

You are the Chosen One

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what your saying is I'm adopted.

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're*

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by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no clue

but with that hair, clearly God had a plan

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'M NOT FAT.

Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.

by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cock Taco was a new one for me and I do love vagina

A rose, by any other name would smell just as sweet.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and poor guy?

Duffy was a complete ass wad who threw away all the money the Feinsteins gave him and spent it on running a bar and doing coke. Throw in the fact that the original bombed because it came out right around Columbine and it’s not a surprise he got black balled.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds

like you know an awful lot about it for someone who claims to not be fan.

You get what you pay for.

by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait so you DON'T like Hitler?

Well fuck.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a

hard time believing you’re not a fan of Hitler. How can you compare knowledge about an obscure movie to knowledge about something we all learned in middle school. You had to make a concerted effort to learn all that shit about Duffy. You’re just being a hater.

You get what you pay for.

by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will definitely see it.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard he was out boycotting a Hands Across America rally

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You were edgier as Sandy Kazmir, and your new picture..... what happened?

Gary Williams for President!
Put Rose in the Hall of Fame

by terp12 on Oct 29, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm on probation, the edges have been rounded

If you don’t like my man Hellboy posing with some fine trim, then I don’t know what to tell you.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With great power comes great responsibility

As a writer on here I don’t want to draw any negative heat to DRB or my fellow writers. Especially over something personal.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must have missed an interesting post

Oh well, I will leave that subject alone. Good luck on the new persona.

Gary Williams for President!
Put Rose in the Hall of Fame

by terp12 on Oct 29, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone took offense to something stupid.

Given a previous transgression the network felt a bit of a breather might be best for all parties.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 29, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I changed my name because Scott Kazmir is no longer a Ray

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also started back at Level One

Off the masthead, Zero Recs, Hazing and the works

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been meaning to mention that

How do I get my literally thousands of recs and past history shifted to this name? It’s also a giant pain to re-enlist at all the blogs where I am an elite contributor.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YOU DON'T.

Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.

by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was neither dumb nor whining

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, carry on good sir

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This

The moral of the story is do not diss the once proud nation of Greece.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once proud?

Watch it Hellicksonstine! Thin Ice, thin ice…..

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're here to talk about Off Topic things to baseball

Not the factual history of Mediterranean countries.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I caught that one on Buc' em

That was classic.

Gary Williams for President!
Put Rose in the Hall of Fame

by terp12 on Oct 29, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL at the network

Sounds like a PR release. We wish Sandy Kazmir the best in his future endeavors.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe it either

Maybe if somebody was willing to vastly overpay or something. It just doesn’t seem to make any sense for them to sale the team now.

You get what you pay for.

by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without looking at the books

the speculation is on the debt increasing and being owed in full by 2010. If that is true, the Glazers will be in deep doo doo. The interest being owed this early and being such a huge amount is trouble.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somebody may get a bargain then

if they are in that much trouble. They are usually so business savvy though. It’s hard to believe they would let themselves get into this kind of predicament.

You get what you pay for.

by LeeCaz on Oct 29, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem from a reporting standpoint is

I don’t know the structure of the Man U deal, or what the Glazers have cash flow wise. Makes it tough to predict. But the popular opinion (which may be wrong) is that the interest on the debt is due early and up front (not typical). With everyone taking a hit here lately, it makes it tougher to come up with the cash.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which could have been the plan all along from a bank standpoint

Find some sucker to take on all the debt, give an early call on the interest, and wrest control of the team back to the island. Seems far-fetched, but a fool and his money were lucky enough to get together in the first place.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schefter:

Bucs co-chairman Joel Glazer on report the team is for sale: “The report today by WDAE’s Dan Sileo about our family is 100 percent false.” More Glazer: “The Buccaneers are not, nor have they ever been for sale….The report is baseless, irresponsible and slanderous.”

http://twitter.com/adam_schefter

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 29, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lolWDAE

Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.

by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not doubting Schef or Glazer

but how many times do we hear from public figures or athletes that things are completely false that end up being true? What are they supposed to say? We’re ass strapped for cash and have to sell.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, big shot business men aren't known for being up front

We hardly know what is going on with the Man U deal, which is alright, it’s their venture, but I would think that if it didn’t affect the Bucs, that would be info made public. It’ll be interesting to see how this turns out. He can say they aren’t for sale today, but if he puts them up for sale tomorrow, he wasn’t lying.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well that is a complete lie

The Buccaneers have been for sale in the past, how else did the Glazers’ buy the team?

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.

by P Brady on Oct 29, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but is it fun!

Atleast we have a benchmark for Carl now.

by Suttree on Oct 29, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Fenway help or hurt his defense?

He’s playing awful in LF, but wouldn’t he be even worse somewhere else?

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not many are

Hard to believe that Craw has more seasons under his belt, it truly will be sad if he does leave. Here’s just wOBA, factor in about a half win defensive advantage over Holliday, and nearly a 3 win advantage over Bay and they’re all pretty dang good.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MOre from Glazer

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are not, nor have they ever been for sale. In addition, our family or any of our related companies have never invested one penny with Bernie Madoff. The report is baseless, irresponsible and slanderous. This type of behavior by Mr. Sileo and his company Clear Channel will be dealt with in the appropriate manner.”

The Madoff part is interesting. If Sileo was dead wrong on that, look out.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks like the thread got P-Brady'd. Again.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 29, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anybody know the going rate for doing an A/V gig?

I might be getting a quick-side job soon and need to come up with a quote.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My boy from the Brock looks awesome here h/t 3QC

LINK

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Found an Everwood torrent.

Re-watching all 89 episodes of this jewel of a show. WB FOREVER!

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