OTTOTD 10/29: Raymondo's Cliff Lee Poo Sandwich Edition
Just throwing this out there for you statmasters
When is the last time Cliff Lee started what one would call a high leverage game?
remember it was Raymondo who said don't get Lee
in the ALE, he’s not nearly dominate
by Raymondo on Aug 5, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else happy we didn't get Lee and lose Kazmir?
Keep Kazmir--Fuck Lee
While getting a #1 SP is what this thread is about
i can’t get excited about it, for the above mentioned And Lee in his career, is not that great v BOS and NYY
I'm not a fan of Cliff Lee
he’s a freakin hillbilly and not a fan fav, albeit, he seems to have learned to pitch
Cliff Lee is such an arrogant punk
btw --re-call when all but me went ga ga over Cliff Lee
check out his last 6 or 7 starts with PHL and that’s not exactly NYY or BOS line-ups he’s facing
I don't like Cliff Lee v ALE
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Why would you post Friday's OTT on 11:30 PM Wednesday?
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
Go to bed young P
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I like how the quotes spanned the Raymondo and sternfan1 eras
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This is terrible. Why do you like beating up on old men so much?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
So the Magic looked like buckets of fun last night
I did not realize Ryan Anderson was only 21. He’s a much cheaper Rashard clone.
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Decent all-around night, I can take the downgrade in offensive explosiveness if he gives us an uptick in being able to guard somebody
They looked umm MAGICAL last night. 120 without Rashard and the high-man had 21. Such freaking depth and Vince fit in right away. Me likey.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I really don't think hes much of an offensive downgrade
Rashard has a solid but never utilized post game. Hes awful at putting the ball on the floor or pulling up off the dribble. Hes an incredibly overrated player. The depth and fresh legs are awesome. EVery player seems to have a niche and purpose. Well done Otis.
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I agree great move
I do like Rashard better on the slash and dish or getting to the rim for a putback. On this team they just want him to stay on the perimeter, but the few times that he’s gone against that and gone to the rack it has been great. The suspension works out great, I just want to see R-andy (what do you think?) continue to shoot over 40% from behind the arc.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
It's pronounced Randy, which is one of the more bad ass names out there
Randy Bo Bandy
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate you
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Major bye week issues this week, pick 2 of the following for 1 week only
Garcon, Nate Washington, Mark Clayton, Lance Moore, John Carlson, Zach Miller, Shockey
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Denver has crazy reverse splits when it comes to receivers.
25th against #1s, first against #2s.
I’d roll with Nate Washington and Zach Miller. Gradkowski can’t throw it deep, so I imagine he’ll just dump it off to Miller the whole time. And San Diego is 18th vs TE.
I'm trying to trade the Eagles D(Eagle/Viking platoon) for Maclin
Schedule really starts to favor the Vikings over Philly. Maclin gives me good long term value.
As far as the shmegma listed above, I already own Moore and Washington and have a 1 unit bid on Garcon (double bonanza w Peyton potential). It all looks so mediocre that I’m tempted to stand pat and roll with Garcon and either Moore or Wash. I feel better about Wash if Collins plays. Moore is likely to have more scoring chances snce the Saints score 40+ a week.
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Collie's kind of taken Garcon's chances for touches, so it's sort of russian roulette with him.
Same with Lance Moore, through every keeps telling me he’s going to be a big part of the offense.
Wash is a good choice if Collins plays, but you won’t know until later today, I suppose.
Garcon out-targeted Collie last week
(Think he had 8) I know its whatever the defense gives to Peyton, but I always feel better about my chances with the hugh octane stuff. (Moore and Garcon)
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I had taken a flyer on Cribb the week before hoping they went to a greater % of wildcat
BOMB
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Picking anyone involved with Cleveland is a horrible mistake.
Another team that is actually worse than the Bucs.
Yea, I jsut thought maybe he could get 10 wildcat carries, 2-5 pass attempts, and a couple catches for good all purpose yardage
Instead 1 carry for 0 yards, 1 catch for -1
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4 Rec-less props from SRQ, Thaddeus, BW, and Sutree
I was aiming for the first Rec’d FanPost OTTOTD. I’m generally not one to plead for Recs but since the prerequisite number of props have been given……
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Quit bitching.
I will rec after test.
by SRQman on Oct 29, 2009 9:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I rec'd ya buddy, I just want that ego to stay enormous not dormant.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, you are cruising to Rookie Commenter of the Year at this point
kstruthe and blackraven also chipped in with silent yet meaningful recs
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
So the Bucs spent $228K last year on two guys that counted $25M against the cap, I think the money woes are becoming more obvious
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions
Silly-O was talking about Glazer Madoff losses to the tune of 1/2 a billion
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
10% A YEAR! PUT ALL OF OUR ASSETS INTO THAT, THAT GUY MUST BE A GENIUS
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw that the other day
It’s not an uncommon practice, though to what extent I don’t know. I’d have to do some digging, but I’ve found quite a few articles that talk about punters/kcikers having LTBE clauses dealing with leading the league in catches or something. It’s a way to roll cap money and preserve it.
This just calls out the Bucs on it and it doesn’t look good, but I think it’s more common than we anticipate.
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I think teams do it, but is it a sign of a team that is trying to contend or of a team that is trying to get to the cap floor?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This team wasn't going to compete no matter how much they spent on the FA market.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 29, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Compete for a championship, no
But its really not that different a team than last year, outside coaching philosophy
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Scheme can make a huge difference.
Would Pittsburgh have been as good had Tomlin walked in and switched to Cover 2? The same personnel can yield wildly different results with the change of system
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Of course
Did Tomlin walk in and switch the scheme? Or did he work with the personnel he had to make things work? This administration has failed at least twice in my opinion, with their coordinator hires. The book remains out on Olsen (Olson). Those were the biggest decisions new admins make, and they bombed. I don’t think its comparable to the situation in KC, where they ousted an incumbant OC.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess we won't ever know.
I think the switch to this scheme, regardless of personnel was a poor decision. Not whether that came from the top or was a Morris or Dominik decison we’ll never know. Whoever made that choice failed to do any due diligence and recognize what we currently had in place player-wise and the movement of the league.
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Yep, I'm sure they both had their input
I don’t think the Glazers were involved beyond the GM/HC decisions. But of course, its fail all the way around.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Over one season, yes
But the implicit detail is that they haven’t been spending for at least two years in a row and probably farther back. Going out and signing guys over one off-season is foolish, but if you can get 1-2 guys a year that fit your system then you will have a pretty good team after 2-3 years. I agree that they aren’t competitive this year, but it doesn’t hurt to spend to the level that the league has deemed a minimum. I don’t think it’s wise to shut everything down unless you have a guaranteed contender. It’s not fair to the fans, it’s not fair to the team, and it’s not fair to the coach that has his feet on a trap door and a noose around his neck.
The Tigers went from a historically bad team in 2003 to a World Series team 3 years later, by a) cultivating young pitching and b) signing 1-2 good free agents every year during that period.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Since 2005 the money has been "rolled over" I believe
the issue is, in hindsight, does it make a difference? Had we added players to our previous regime, would they be worth as much now? Adding a Cato June or other Cover 2 guy would be close to fruitless this year. On offense we could have used the guys, but on defense, it’s almost a moot point.
Doesn’t excuse them from not spending in previous years as no one could predict the move to this scheme.
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Doesn’t excuse them from not spending in previous years as no one could predict the move to this scheme.
It’s called foresight. This is pretty weak stuff for how thinly-veiled their pay to the bottom strategy has been. It’s pretty evident what’s going on, it just took this final piece for me to come around. What’s the point in rolling over the money? Free Agents still have to want to play for your team, regardless of the dollars, and there has been no move to lock up internal talent. Oh yeah, we gave 10M guaranteed to Stone Hands. If Vince or Culverhouse were rolling over money we would call it like it is. That’s its being rolled right up into their pockets. Let the record show, that I am all for rolling over money as long as ticket prices see a similar drop in price.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
In their defense (only in terms of scheme and willingness to spend)
they went really hard after Haynesworth and Vilma, who potentially woudl have ade this scheme far more effective. Inability to adjust after not reeling them in, is a sign of incompetence.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
The only explanation I can offer is this
The old regime, mainly Bruce Allen, had indicated prior to his firing that the Bucs intended to spend all that money rolled over. He has several quotes out there to that effect. When he was canned, and Dominik brought in, either the handcuffs were put on them by the Glazers, or they said swing with Big Albert and if you miss, we aren’t spending.
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The non-spending really doesn't bother me
Yes, it would have made the team marginally more competitive, but I have no problem with building from within.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
And that assumes an even scarier thought is the proper evaluation of talent
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Yea, basically I have no faith in Domenik/Morris
If the best move you can point to mid-way through the first year is realizing your own mistake in the hiring of your first-OC, its going to be hard to feel optimistic.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
This isn't on the same level as the Bucs ($228k counting as $25MM) but here are some examples
If the Bucs were winning, I don’t think this would be an issue. But with the losses piling up, the obvious cap room space, this gets a bit more attention.
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Well I don't think teams generally win spending what the Bucs are, am I wrong?
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Nor do they always win when they max out ala Dan Snyder
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Of course not, I just was contending this statement
If the Bucs were winning, I don’t think this would be an issue. But with the losses piling up, the obvious cap room space, this gets a bit more attention
Teams that don’t spend near the bottom of the barrel, more foten than not will not succeed that year. Long term planning might be sound though..
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Well the article states that the Vikings were over the cap last year and then took on Favre's 12M
They look to be playoff-bound. I would say more teams that spend over the cap make it to the playoffs than teams that spend under the cap.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's the nuts and bolts
A person familiar with the finances of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers says that last season, the team signed two free-agents, running back Noah Herron and defensive end Patrick Chukwurah, for contracts that totalled $25 million. Under the rules of the salary cap, the Buccaneers were charged that full amount for the players. But to actually earn that money, each player had to, among other things, block six punts apiece—an exceedingly difficult prospect. In the end, neither player ended up taking a single snap. Mr. Herron was paid $157,000 and Mr. Chukwurah $71,000, although the team’s salary-cap number reflected the full value of their contracts. Tampa Bay, which ranked among the lowest teams in spending last season, has lost all six of its games. Tampa Bay and NFL officials declined to comment.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Loopholes like should be rectified
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I've always wondered if a loophole like this existed. Now I know.
It angers me that the Bucs get the first $2m in revenues from Bulls games, because I don’t want to give that group of people one red cent of my money.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Over/Under on non-DRB, non-UNFNole comments?
1.5?
It really is bad to look at some of those stats and get punched right in the face with them.
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LeeCaz will probably chime in (followed by an appearance here after searching his name)
What happened to BigKris?
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Scared him away with big words like period and comma
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LeCass won't be coming here, I think he's butthurt
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
What happens first, more than 2 non-DRB comments, or the Bucs first win?
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You;ll get a few by the time next season is underway, don't worry
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
On this piece? The latter.
That baby won’t be on the front page come tonight.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Although BE user "Bucs" may comment on how spineless and gutless the GM/HC are.
Since apparently he’s able to tell that sort of thing from his couch.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I dropped some good facts on the Freeman starting article (fanshot) and not one comment since.
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Oh by the way
The Phillies were dominant last night, and I actually enjoyed watching the Yanks get beat. Frenatic.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions
Haha, yea
I had the same feeling, apathetic headed in, anti-Yankee by the first inning
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Well said
I was surprised how quickly I flipped after talking a good game of staying impartial. Let’s go Phils. Frenatic
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
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Nice of you to show up to the party. I’m sure this comment is in jest, but I don’t recall ever comapring the two?
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just alerted to it
i’ll be paying special attention to some of your “picks to click”
later
I didn't want to jump into the sub thread because it's a bit of a clusterfuck, but the Bucs did offer Haynesworth a better contract than the one the skins did.
So to excuse of them not pursuing free agents is exactly correct.
They wouldn't have signed vilma
I think it was pre-decided.
T-Jack is back, J.J has went back to sucking, Bates won't blitz, Raheem's bored.
The issue with the contract is, the bottom line was better with the Bucs, but the structure was not.
The Skins coughed up more guaranteed. If the Bucs wanted him, they had the room to make a 110% offer. You dont want to overpay for a guy, but if you have cap room (fictional) of $40 MM and the other teams are at $20MM, you can afford to put that higher offer out there. Make it a tough decision for him, or an offer he can’t turn away from.
Leverage the facts in your favor. That was my beef. What Hayneswroth’s true value in dollars is, I don’t know, but if we wanted him, we could have made an offer that he couldnt pass up.
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I understand what your saying, but Haynesworth himself implied he would have made more money with the Bucs, but for personal reasons, he wanted to go to Washington.
And as a follow up, if we had to outspend Washington to get someone, that's not a good deal.
Even someone of Haynesworth’s caliber, the risk of injury and declining performance is extremely, extremely high.
Yea, turns out it made no difference where he want, both teams are awful
Couldve saved some state income tax though.
I’d really like to breakdown the offer that the Bucs put out and Skins in terms of guaranteed dollars, first 3 years, and overall money, but have no access to the Bucs offer.
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I think Haynesworth would have made a huge difference for us because of the vast difference in talent between him and our current DL.
Where as, although Washington was adding a very good player, they all ready had a strong defensive tackle rotation. Haynesworth would have made our defensive line good enough that instead of being the worst defense, we’d probably just be in the bottom half.
Right, but Haynesworth correctly evaluated our team (not good)
He is a difference maker when healthy, and one we desparately needed.
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There are other ways to spend money, though
How about making a commitment to the players that have proven themselves? I know that this season is a complete tryout, but why did we not extend P-Buc (whom I’m sure is getting torched, but we had no one else ready to step up, Ronde doesn’t count)? Why have Tanard, Wilkerson, and Joseph not been extended? For PR reasons you can throw money at guys like AH (not that the team would be conclusively better), but you can structure the deal such that they will find a better deal, ultimately, and it still looks like you are doing right by your fans. Vilma is the same boat, we threw our name in at the last minute as if we were sincere about a play. Same with the Cutler trade. What about signing Jabari Greer or any of the other young corners out there that went for market value and would make our turd of a secondary look somewhat beefed?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, proper evaluation of talent (see Clayton)
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they have no idea what the pulse is and figured they would bring back a fan-favorite for market value
Except they don’t realize that Clayton is talentless and the fan base hates him. They literally could have given that money to Jerry Rice to stand on the sidelines in pads and it would have gone to a better cause, and at least we could say we have Jerry Rice.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
BRING BACK LYNCH, SAPP, AND BROOKS FOR VET MIN
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Now we're talking, just forfeit the games and we can have a parade every week
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I think they let Buchannon go because he's been a miserable failure in man coverage throughout his career.
Despite his physical talents, Buchannon performed much better in the Tampa Two then the heavy Cover 1 schemes in Oakland and Houston.
I wouldn’t extend Tanard, Wilkerson, and Joseph either yet. Rookie contracts are a beautiful thing.
I wasn't happy about P-Buc leaving town. Mack and Cox aren't better.
My opinion is the reason those guys haven’t been extended is the Glazers don’t typicallyl extend with more than one year left. T-Jack will (I hope) get his due when it’s time, as will Joseph. Ruud situation is actually kind of fascinating to see how it plays out. I initialy couldn’t believe they didn’t re-sign him, but after seeing him in Bates’ scheme, I’m not sure of his monetary value. Thus far, it looks like the right call was made to not sign him before the year. (I’m only talking dollar and cents compared to value in scheme)
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Don't get me going on giving Winslow his extension without so much as a practice
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I never ever agreed with that. In any sense
Was a dumb move to extend for such a high price a guy who has a history of being injured and being a cry baby. Completely flabbergasted.
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Right, put W/L aside
Create a ledger of good move/bad move. Its really depressing.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they heard he was a Soldier and that they might get reimbursed by The Coming Home Project
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if there will be any re-signings towards the end of the year.
Don’t even know who the candidates would be outside of Ruud (surely wants to test market now), AB (same as Ruud), and Penn.
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I'm torn on resigning Penn.
Performance wise, he’s been among the best left tackles the last few years (in terms of pass protection). Watching him, though… if he gets hurt, or even loses an ounce of quickness, he’s cooked.
Do you continue to offer him a series of one year deals, sign him to a 3-5 year contract or let him test the market with full intentions of drafting or picking up a replacement
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I think you have to bite the bullet and sign him to a 3-5 year contract.
Finding a good left tackle is an extremely difficult proposition and I’m not sure there are any guys in this draft who are going to be NFL ready.
With so many other needs, I try to lock him up for 3 years, our draft needs to be centered on DL with a
prolific receiver in the next 2 years. The third year of being awful we can get a high pick OL
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd be cool with a DL in the first and trying to snag Ciron Black in the second, supposing he doesn't move up between now and then.
Hopefully the Bears poop the bed and that pick slides up
Dez Bryant in the second round could become a possibility
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Guys who get suspended for an entire season tend to drop even further.
I mean, unless your name is Mike Williams and Matt Millen still runs a team.
Would you burn 40-65 pick on him at this point?
If he’s there I think that you have to. A possession receiver with SS underneath and KW2 up the seam sounds pretty funky for a certain Half-Caveman QB.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It depends on what's there.
If there’s a talented big body, particularly a DL, I’d probably shoot for that.
I'm hoping to get Suh in the top 5, overpay for a John Abraham/Trent Cole strictly pass rusher in FA
and then get a possession receiver in the second. At this point we are stuck with Josh Freeman so I at least want him to have some weapons at his disposal. Jamarcus Russell is obscenely bad because his RB’s have bigger ego’s than numbers and his WR’s are not good. A good-to-great receiver can hide a lot of deficiencies in a mediocre-to-solid QB.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
I never understood why teams take the big armed QB that has had trouble reading and completing in the past. I guess Peyton would be an exception, but he never had any trouble completing passes, he just happens to have a big arm when he needs it.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Peyton is as cerebral as they come
Russel has the same arm with no head
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, but Kyle Boller, Ryan Leaf, I would think the dropout rate is higher for the all arm-no brain QB
Than vice-versa. Grads is always going to have a job in the NFL.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
When I first saw Russell (I was a big fan of Marcus Randall, the senior who split time with him), I thought he would be a first overall pick.
Of course, that was with the assumption that his mechanics and decision making would improve.
I think he has the talent to be an NFL quarterback, but he had a lot of holes in his game and obviously he’s not the most dedicated cat in the world. Big and tall like Flacco is fine, as long as the decision making, accuracy, and attitude are there. Of course, I thought Flacco would be a bust.
I think I had Quinn over Russell with Trent Edwards being my sleeper QB at 3
1/3 ain’t bad
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Captain Checkdown as the kids call him up here
He’s about dunfer.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he's the type to do much better on his 2nd team with an actual OLIne than the Bills.
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Wow, I'm all kinds of fucked up today.
The second line should read,“So to excuse them of not pursuing free agents isn’t correct.” Which is a double negative anyway?
TheCharlieDay Watch Rowdy Roddy Piper on Sunny tonight!
This intrigues me.
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Ah, yes, Rowdy Roddy Piper. Please tell me everyone here is a fan of They Live!
“I’m here to kick ass and chew bubblegum… and I’m all out of bubblegum.”
I was just going to say that I hope they spoof the shit out of that
If Mac can only see Rowdy with sunglasses on I’m going to shit my pants.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather see a random 5 minute fight scene that seemingly never ends.
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They did it perfectly though
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately
7 52 “The Gang Wrestles for the Troops”3 TBA TBA October 29, 20095 TBD
There’s nothing more American than wrestling. That’s why the gang has decided to put on a wrestling show for the returning troops. Meanwhile, Dee is surprised when the soldier she has been chatting with online is not what she expected.
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Lame, sunglasses or I won't watch
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
After reading his wiki page I really want to see Silence of the Hams
DOM DELUISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The Thing, They Lives, and Big Trouble in Little China... I can watch these movies at any time.
Particularly, The Thing. That movies still holds up today in terms of awesomeness.
I liked the Snake Pliskin movies
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
GALLAGHER IS COMING TO PORT CHARLOTTE GET YOUR TICKETS NOW
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions
This is marginally funny
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/d08b02ae4b/we-are-douchebags?rel=player
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So the JP post is somewhat of a flop
I suppose I should stick to the cutting and pasting vs writing
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I liked it, but what are we going to comment about, nobody comments on my Top-30 pieces,
but I would rather have 0 comments than bring up a controversial question just to get people to talk about me.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It was well-written and informative.
There’s really nothing to say negative about it, which is why there are no comments and the OTTOTD saps up alot of the snarky stuff.
Fastball called strike rates are pretty unreal for 86 MPH
I know his junk his tough to hit, but its amazing how he gets people to chase that while letting the fastballs float by.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I've always thought a big part of it is that his pitches are so complementary, which you hit on the head. Peep this:
This was a start selected at random. You see all these pitches all over the place and yet, here’s where they ended up:
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
You can see from the top-down view that his four-seamer starts right at a righty before back-dooring him
I could see a lot of guys taking that pitch same with his other fastball, it starts out right at a guy before turning over after the batter has already committed.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
You two need to just have buttsecks and get this shit over with.
The tension is killing the rest of us.
What you think all the guns is for? All purpose war, got the Rottweilers by the door. And I feed 'em gunpowder, so they can devour the criminals, tryin' to drop my decimals.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 29, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I tried but those bastards are quick as hell.
Probably from chasing rabbits barefoot around in the fields of south Florida.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 29, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
PAHOKEEEEEEEEE
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
http://deadspin.com/5392645/would-anyone-like-to-own-the-tampa-bay-buccaneers
Apparently the Glazers are going to sell the Bucs.
I've heard rumblings of this also, I wonder how true it is
and if the team will remain in Tampa.
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I'd be shocked if it were to be moved.
That stadium is relatively new and we sold out for like 10 straight years.
Until this year (sold out I mean)
Tampa to LA, Jags to London.
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I think I would riot if the Bucs got moved.
Jags, what the fuck ever, they’ve never sold out well, even when they were good.
I doubt it, particularly since the economic situation over there isn't much better than in the US.
Not to mention any NFL team would be competing with Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham, and West Ham alone in the city.
It's happening at some point. Whether it's 2011 or 2015 is another question
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Or, let me clarify and say the Commish has said it's happening.
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And yes, the NFL games are on Sunday, but big EPL games often get played on Sunday.
Even if all EPL games were played on Saturday, Tottenham and West Ham fans are largely middle-class folk without a lot of disposable income. Maybe you’d get business owners buying luxury seats (which I believe Arsenal has had a problem with at the Emirates, though PoW may be more informed about this), but I can’t imagine a team being wildly successful over there.
I would too. I'd also probably stop rooting for them and pick a new team.
I’m not implying that is what will happen, but if they are sold, you have to wonder what happens down the road.
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Eh, not really
He answers to himself only which is refreshing, but he can at times be a bit of a blowhard.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
High quantity might give that impression
He does have a lot of connections, I don’t think he’s any worse than most of the hack guessers at ESPN.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Link?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This
To Whom It May Concern:
In the ninth generation after the reign of the frost gnomes, when the sparrow prince cleaved his soul to the diamond-pure heart of the Maiden of the Moors, a celestial race came forth from the heavens and bore fruit. They were the Nephalim, and they consorted with earthly women and fathered a race of giants and gunslinger quarterbacks. The descendants of the giants are still among us, and they have the power to transmute metals and see within the hearts of men, and also to fire blitz and hold dominion over non-flowering plants. When challenged by these descendants of the celestials, do not make eye contact, lest they replace your soul with that of a pit demon, and also know that the world will end on December 21, 2012, when the frost gnomes run out of timeouts and can no longer challenge the Mayan overlords.
Go Phillies,
Darren Daulton.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
This might be my favorite quip from the actual book review:
A few seasons later, Riley is a star linebacker for the Colorado Mustangs. His best friend on the team is Sal Ricci, an Italian-born tight end who came to the PFL after starring in an Italian minor league. Ricci is a bit of a mystery man, but he and Riley seem oblivious to an impending threat as several terrorists slip across the Canadian border armed with a plan to hit American capitalism where it will hurt the most: Minneapolis.
Elam is awesome
Hicks reveals that he’s a multiple divorcee who left his first wife after she refused to have an abortion and slapped his second wife when the pressure after 9-11 got to him.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe we've gotten this far without mentioning SRQ's blog.
http://adicksthoughtsonballs.blogspot.com/
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Where's the wu-tang?
SUNDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2009
What this blog will be about
This blog will really be about 3 things
1) Sports
2) Video Games
3) Sport picks
I might throw some Wu-Tang in there too.
-Another day,
SRQman
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Over/Under on # posts for the month of December once the novelty wears off?
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting about height when thinking of Kazmir
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Especially if he ever puts on a bunch of weight
Fat-short guys should take note of this.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm meeting up with your man crush Saturday morning if you want to get him to sign your excel spreadsheets.
Marc Normandin?
I hope he shows up on the back of that black horse-guy
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think I do, but my smile and nod allows me to fit in
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeepers that's aggressive
I don’t know which I would rather see less. I suppose the Yid Army does seem like the black horse at times, but I’m more used to seeing them being the rapee. Disgusting.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ, Sonny, or Gabe?
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't realize Sat morning meetups had to involve EPL
I was trying to figure out who the equestrian was
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this a context clue?
If so, I’m going to guess SRQ when talking to any chick.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 29, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Ol' JR?
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone going to the FSU game this weekend?
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That sounds as enticing as the Talladega Taco party I was invited to
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Then again, I am going to the UFL game.....
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You're on a roll old man
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I need to find a new team to support, these guys have no idea what they are doing
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That was probably the worst kept secret this week
that VY was starting.
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It's up there with
THE BUCS HAVE BEEN SOLD*
*Unnamed sources have confirmed this, I cannot name my sources due to them not existing.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The sale would be such a long proces, nothing would come of it for 2 years minimum it seems.
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MARK CUBAN BOUGHT THE BUCS?????
SWEETZ.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 29, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
In order of preference at this point, Maclin, Garcon, Moore
We will not deviate from these 2 of these 3 barring unforeseen events
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Moore has the best matchup.
It’s a toss up between Maclin and Garcon.. I’d probably go with Maclin. Better potential for a big play.
I think most snaps goes Maclin, Garcon, Moore
team offensive pts goes Moore, Garcon, Maclin
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
People are funny
You Suck says:
October 29, 2009 at 10:54 am
This is the worst article I have ever read on this site. THIS IS THE GODDAM WORLD SERIES AND THIS IS THE CRAP THAT YOU ARE WRITING AT A TIME WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE POTENTIALLY READING THE SITE?!
RJ ANDERSON, YOU SUCK!
Vote -1 Vote +1
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions
Yes, sorry for not writing the same content that everyone else is about the WS.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 29, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe FG would appreciate a Jesse Darcy-Chris Richard thanks for the memories post
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if that awful song plays in the background
Thanks 4 the memories, thanks 4 the memories.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Sarah MCLachlan- "I Will Remember You", Green Day - "Good Riddance"
Or we could always roll with Ray Ray’s “Hit the Road Jack”
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I could go for some "Building a Mystery" I forget who sings it
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Man, check this out from 3QC, actually feel borderline bad at this pt
thanks Zo-man if Hellicscksonnastine or whatever the frig his name is supposed to be would have simply done that, this might have been avoided
actualy glad it wasn’t so him being an asshole is exposed
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When its not your day......
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently he didn't click the link
I do not apologize for not doing the legwork that a buffoon could figure out in 8 seconds.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't blame you, but its awesome that he didn't click the link
If you acted like an arse, what does it say about me?
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you don't want to be lumped in with me
I don’t see how I’m an a-hole out of that. Don’t ask stupid questions and you won’t get stupid responses. I just typed “Rashard” “Lewis” “suspended” in lower case without the quotation marks and got this
It literally took 0.26 seconds to retrieve 71,300 links and maybe 3 seconds for me to type it in. I’m not going to talk about this anymore so do your worst SF1.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
same cast? Sounds risky
Hold Em was so much less mainstream then. The original seems dated.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 29, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like a horrible idea, the movie wasn't about poker, that was just a vehicle to deliver a message of child-hood
friends that have gone down different paths.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Give or take, but instead of a sin dividing them, it was a girl (sinworthiness is debatable here), and one was Catholic and Focker was Jewish
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Boondock Saints II drops tomorrow.
I’ll see it.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 29, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
I heard he was out boycotting a Hands Across America rally
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You were edgier as Sandy Kazmir, and your new picture..... what happened?
Gary Williams for President!
Put Rose in the Hall of Fame
I'm on probation, the edges have been rounded
If you don’t like my man Hellboy posing with some fine trim, then I don’t know what to tell you.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to hear that. Some people just don't appreciate a well written insult.
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Put Rose in the Hall of Fame
With great power comes great responsibility
As a writer on here I don’t want to draw any negative heat to DRB or my fellow writers. Especially over something personal.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I must have missed an interesting post
Oh well, I will leave that subject alone. Good luck on the new persona.
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Someone took offense to something stupid.
Given a previous transgression the network felt a bit of a breather might be best for all parties.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 29, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And by took offense, I mean wanted to whine about something because they were banned for being dumb.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 29, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
So your cunning strategy was to fool them by having Sandy change his name?
SBN is dumber than I thought.
I changed my name because Scott Kazmir is no longer a Ray
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He also started back at Level One
Off the masthead, Zero Recs, Hazing and the works
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I've been meaning to mention that
How do I get my literally thousands of recs and past history shifted to this name? It’s also a giant pain to re-enlist at all the blogs where I am an elite contributor.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok former DRB user sabertoothedpie
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that is clever
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I was neither dumb nor whining
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, carry on good sir
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This
The moral of the story is do not diss the once proud nation of Greece.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We're here to talk about Off Topic things to baseball
Not the factual history of Mediterranean countries.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I caught that one on Buc' em
That was classic.
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LOL at the network
Sounds like a PR release. We wish Sandy Kazmir the best in his future endeavors.
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Without looking at the books
the speculation is on the debt increasing and being owed in full by 2010. If that is true, the Glazers will be in deep doo doo. The interest being owed this early and being such a huge amount is trouble.
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Schefter:
Bucs co-chairman Joel Glazer on report the team is for sale: “The report today by WDAE’s Dan Sileo about our family is 100 percent false.” More Glazer: “The Buccaneers are not, nor have they ever been for sale….The report is baseless, irresponsible and slanderous.”
Not doubting Schef or Glazer
but how many times do we hear from public figures or athletes that things are completely false that end up being true? What are they supposed to say? We’re ass strapped for cash and have to sell.
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Plus, big shot business men aren't known for being up front
We hardly know what is going on with the Man U deal, which is alright, it’s their venture, but I would think that if it didn’t affect the Bucs, that would be info made public. It’ll be interesting to see how this turns out. He can say they aren’t for sale today, but if he puts them up for sale tomorrow, he wasn’t lying.
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Favre is retiring, Clinton didn't have sexual relations, Nick Saban wasn't leaving Miami...........
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Well that is a complete lie
The Buccaneers have been for sale in the past, how else did the Glazers’ buy the team?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If it's slanderous, back it up with a lawsuit. Otherwise, shut up and get back to selling the team.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
So suttree is a fatty fat fat who gets off on calling others fat because he is so fat.
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That should show him
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Fenway help or hurt his defense?
He’s playing awful in LF, but wouldn’t he be even worse somewhere else?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not many are

Hard to believe that Craw has more seasons under his belt, it truly will be sad if he does leave. Here’s just wOBA, factor in about a half win defensive advantage over Holliday, and nearly a 3 win advantage over Bay and they’re all pretty dang good.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
They must not want to have a good came from their catcher, what are those fools thinking
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
MOre from Glazer
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The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are not, nor have they ever been for sale. In addition, our family or any of our related companies have never invested one penny with Bernie Madoff. The report is baseless, irresponsible and slanderous. This type of behavior by Mr. Sileo and his company Clear Channel will be dealt with in the appropriate manner.”
The Madoff part is interesting. If Sileo was dead wrong on that, look out.
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Looks like the thread got P-Brady'd. Again.
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Anybody know the going rate for doing an A/V gig?
I might be getting a quick-side job soon and need to come up with a quote.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
My boy from the Brock looks awesome here h/t 3QC
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
I guess there''s a lot of DRB readers hiding in the shadows that were happy to see SternFan get his
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Where did that happen?
Also, Bishoff lives, I just saw him post on 3QC
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 29, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Who is Raymondo?
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432 comments and not one from sternfan
Figures. What a wimp.

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