Time to trade BJ
by smma on Oct 3, 2009 5:07 PM EDT
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PrintBJs value could be at it's peak. He's showed just enough here at the end. With Desmond Jennings ready, the Rays could pull off another Delmon Young type trade. Biggest need in my opinion is a decent catcher. With that in mind here's a couple of ideas:
1. Cleveland - One of the top catcher prospects is Carlos Satana (cool name too). He is expendable to Cleveland because of Shoppach and the Indians could use some OF talent with only Choo a big time player. The could put together a package of Santana and Nick Weglarz. Weglarz is a Zobrist type who could provide depth at 1B (another big need) and OF.
2. Minnestoa - Jose Morales has big league experience and can hit for average. How nice would it be to add another .300 hitter to this lineup. They could throw in a young arn like Shooter Hunt to restock the minors if Helickson forces his way to bigs next season.
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I guess the point
is that if you think Upton’s true talent level was how he played this year, then it would be wise to cut your losses now, while a lot of people probably still think his true talent level was more like 2008 or 2007.
That said, I think trading now would be selling low, but it doesn’t hurt to test the market. If someone is still willing to pay for a 2008 Upton (thus getting us a better return package than we would get in trading Crawford), it might be worth it.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Nobody said anything about not testing the market.
Just acting like he’s been an albatross or huge disappointment (like Delmon) is about the furthest from the truth you can get.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 3, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Choo is Cleveland's only big time OF talent?
Apparently Grady Sizemore died and no one told me. Also, LaPorta and Brantley? No? Haven’t heard of them? Oh, ok.
I don't think there is another person on DRB that thinks BJ has hit his peak, or is even really close to his peak.
Gary Williams for President!
Put Rose in the Hall of Fame
Carlos Santana is expendable because of Shoppach?
Wow.
So is Michael Stanton expendable because of Jeremy Hermida?
"I hate the people that love me, and they hate me!"
Hermida was the better prospect
Not that it’s relevant now, but just something to keep in mind…
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Eh...
It’s a toss up as to who was/is a better prospect. I wasn’t really big on Hermida, but I loooove Stanton. Ofcourse the point is, a passable-solid option in the bigs doesn’t make an elite prospect expendable.
"I hate the people that love me, and they hate me!"
In an attempt to give an equally thoughtout response as
was put into it, I say you hit your peak, and should stop posting here.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 3, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Haha, brutal
Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Oct 3, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
ROFL
This is good.
J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.
Probably too harsh
but FSU inspired me to drink enough to type this to a stranger, wait till FSU loses to GT next week for my next green comment lol.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 6, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to suggest that anybody whose first action upon registration on the site is a fanpost or fanshot, and NOT a comment, be auto-banned. Nothing any good EVER comes out of these.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
That, or their post is deleted and they're warned. Either way, nobody here should be subjected to such ignorance/stupidity.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I disagree.
Sports Chief and bgfour produced some quality that these parts have never replicated.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 3, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Should a traded
them while we had the chance?
J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.
bgfour's first post was dull and boring.
It was his 2nd post that produced all of the lulz.
But you’re right. I can’t argue the sports chief, fourcloses or TheUnknownInsider. They’re like shakespere for retards.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Correct me if im wrong
The sports chief and fourcloses had only one post before they got banned.
J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.
The Sports Chief was banned after his first post because it was a blatant troll attempt.
I banned fourcloses account, but not him. After theunknowninsider deleted all of his posts, I banned fourcloses to prevent that from happening; with a message of something like “create a new account to defend yourself in the thread, I don’t want your post being deleted”. I think I unbanned the account after like 3 days because he never came back.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Yes, it did.
J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.
by 4QB on Oct 4, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Aww, I wanted to
Read theunknowninsider’s post.
J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.
by 4QB on Oct 4, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The sports chief's post was meh...
Fourcloses was hilarious.
J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.
the only positive thing i can say
is if the Rays are approaching this off-season with intentions of hoping offers would be good enough to trade BJ, his last month has boosted his trade value immensely. It’s not what it would have been at the end of last season, but since a) he’s cheap, b) under team control for 3 more seasons, and c) extremely young, oh yeah and d) loaded with potential, he has shown enough here for the Rays to pull in quite a haul, which is the only reason why they would trade him. If the Rays could get a Posey and Baumgarder for him, I’d do it in a heartbeat.
by raysfaninminnesota on Oct 3, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions
My first res[onse upon reading all thi
1) You know that Grady Sizemore is one of the top 5 CF’ers in MLB?
2) Crazy talk bargh blah glaaerlkjvoawoersj
Get well soon DM
Uptons value is so low right now. The only way we trade him is if we get
2007 or 2008 value. I dont think that is going to happen. We would get more value if they insist on trading him, at next years deadline.
Ease up kericr. You are so bored by this post that you replied several times?
We are all rays fans here and on the same team. It’s an interesting post because other teams have been scouting BJ lately. If you’re not interested than don’t post.
This isn't an interesting post because it operates under blatantly false assumptions.
That doesn’t mean we can’t come and shoot down these assumption:
1) Uptons value is NOT at its peak
2) Clevland arleady has Sizemore and Choo, an extra outfielder wouldn’t hurt, but considering their recent success (or lackthereof) they probably need to rebuild.
3) I don’t even want Weglarz as he is relegated to DH and doesn’t seem to have enough power to justify the postion. .380 OBP / .450 Slugging is nice, but given the hit he takes for playing DH its not worth it.
Also They fired Wedge
J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.
Apparently we aren't on the same team.
Because he defines Jose Morales as a decent catcher, one worth trading a better younger player for and I absolutely don’t.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 4, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't have issues with that.
I just don’t see Morales being too different from Navarro. Same skill sets, only Navarro is younger.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 4, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, just because he spent 9 years in the minors and despite the fact that he was batting over .300 with an OBP over .350 for the last three years in AAA yet for some reason didn't even get a sniff at the majors until now,
That doesn’t mean that we don’t know more then the Twins organization, right?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
The Twins love that type too.
I guess they just love Mike Redmond more.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 4, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i would take wilson ramos, but Morales is just a back up/platoon catcher
twins have enough OF depth and no room for upton with DY,Span and Cuddyer
Vikings 4 the superbowl
Are you out of your God Damn mind? Are you new here?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
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Please don’t shoot the messenger, especially one who really likes this site and our Rays. :)
This person isn't delivering any impartial message, they're delivering their opinion.
If you take a look at the responses, they almost universally are criticizing one of two things:
1. Cleveland isn’t replacing Grady Seismore with BJ Upton in a trade. Ever.
2. The proposed return for BJ Upton is crap.
If you’re going to present an opinion on something, there’s only a limited amount of tolerance I (and for that matter, most people in general) will have before I become hostile. I’m not going to be nice for the sake of being nice.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Oct 4, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's a post-and-run type.
It’s not that his opinion is awful, it’s that he missed key facts and therefore his logic is questionable at best.
Saying “I think we should look at moving B.J. because we have Jennings and Joyce” is one thing, saying “Cleveland only has one outfield talent and that’s Choo” is quite another.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 4, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough, colleagues.
Well articulated. Glad to see A-Rod padded his stats again today with nothing on the line.
Yihoo
J.P Riccardi FIRED!
J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.
What would you guys think about a Geovany Soto for Upton trade?
Both are players coming off of down years, after being stars over 08. Both are also young and get a lot of value from their defense and positional adjustments. Also, BJ is considered lazy and Soto does pot – so he’s probably lazy also.
Given that the Rays have no depth at catcher and a lot of depth in the OF, it seems like a real solid move for them. Ditto for the Cubs, who have no depth in the oufield (they have no depth at catcher either though).
Would you do that trade? And more importantly, do you think the Cubs would be willing to take a player with lesser talent than Upton for Soto (they seem to have soured on him this year, as evidenced by the fact that Koyie Hill has started 69 games this year. heh).
Soto meet JP Howell lol
Vikings 4 the superbowl
It's an interesting question...
It does look like Soto’s down year was largely due to BABIP – .337 last year and .251 this year. His power is down and some LD became GB, but I don’t think it’s a huge red flag. Maybe you can say his true talent is somewhere in between, maybe a 3 to 3.5 WAR player, which is probably an upgrade, but this comparison is a little scary.
All in all I think BJ is worth a lot more than Soto even with 2 less years of team control, but I’m not necessarily so good at trade valuations.
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Oct 5, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
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