Rays Retain Jim Hickey; Hitting Coach Steve Henderson Let Loose
In case you haven't already heard, the Rays have met with all there coaches and there is a few surprises for next year's staff. Most of Joe Maddon's staff will remain intact including Jim Hickey, who will remain as the Rays pitching coach. The Rays hitting coach, Steve Henderson, however, will not be retained. Also the quality of the Rays will not be assured next season as Todd Greene and his quality assurance coach position has been eliminated.
We've had numerous debates about Hickey on this site and each time we've had these arguments we usually end up at the same conclusion; it's hard to quantify a coach's impact on a team with just raw statistics. Nonetheless, here are the numbers during the Hickey Era.
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Team Hickey |
ERA |
FIP |
K/9 |
BB/9 |
HR/9 |
|
2007 |
5.53 |
4.7 |
7.52 |
3.58 |
1.25 |
|
2008 |
3.82 |
4.22 |
7.06 |
3.25 |
1.02 |
|
2009 |
4.36 |
4.37 |
7.09 |
3.25 |
1.15 |
Nothing that we don't already know. The staff was awful in 2007. They went out and had a great year in 2008 before falling to average in 2009. The FIP fall wasn't as steep as the ERA fall thanks to near static K and BB/9 averages. Regardless on which side of the Hickey impact fence you fall on, when a pitching regresses as a whole while some of the pieces that were cast aside improved, the blame usually falls on the shoulders of the pitching coach.
While Hickey's retention was a little bit of a surprise, the decision to let Steve Henderson comes as a complete shock to me. Henderson is highly regarded amongst his players and the Rays set several franchise records including runs, home runs, walks and on-base percentage this year. It's kind of hard to put any blame for the subpar season on Henderson when the offense puts up the most runs in the teams history.
There's a theory floating around that Joe Maddon wants the team improve its situational hitting and have more productive outs. So if you are keeping score at home, Henderson's offense scored the most runs in Rays history, but their outs weren't good enough. Color me suspicious if I don't believe that's the real issue. Apparently, Keith Law isn't buying that theory either as he calls the move "Operation Fix B.J. Upton."
Either way, The Rays team wOBA improved each season under Hendu as well as their BB%.
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Team Hendu |
Runs |
K% |
BB% |
wOBA |
|
2006 |
689 |
20.2 |
7.5 |
0.317 |
|
2007 |
782 |
23.7 |
8.9 |
0.335 |
|
2008 |
774 |
22.1 |
10.2 |
0.336 |
|
2009 |
803 |
22.5 |
10.5 |
0.343 |
The Rays don't have any plans to name a successor in the near future, but that doesn't stop of from speculating. The short list of names we've come up with: Rudy Jamarillo, Wade Boggs (again), Fred McGriff, and DRB favorite Cliff Floyd. I know Floyd is an active player, but admit it...you want him back too.
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Yes, I definitely want Wade Boggs back.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 5, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I added it on your suggestion!
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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 5, 2009 8:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like it's going to be someone overly obvious.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 5, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaime Cevallos
Broken offense? Swing Mechanic to the rescue.
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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 5, 2009 8:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Also Rays offense since 2007 has averaged
In the top 10 in the majors in runs scored.
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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 5, 2009 8:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
There's a chance that part of that is because of the running game.
And Henderson has no say over that.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 5, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well mostly I think we need a little more power from some
and actual production from the other half of the lineup
And fix our junkball LHP issue
by Transplanted on Oct 5, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat Burrell was supposed to do that
I doubt Henderson broke Burrell.
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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 5, 2009 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Burrell got broked before we got him
I DEMAND A REFUND
but the junkballers go beyond just Burrell I think
by Transplanted on Oct 5, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least there's little to lose here.
I doubt a new hitting coach is going to cause our guys to hit worse, and I doubt he causes them to hit better, so whatever.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 5, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's a way we can greatly improve
especially BJ, he had terrible numbers vs Lefties
by Transplanted on Oct 5, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B.J. had horrible numbers versus everyone.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 5, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but he at least hit above the mendoza line against RHP
at a respectable .262 even
by Transplanted on Oct 5, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing I think that I was hoping our pitching staff would get was
Like an ex-ace who’s been there & done that & everything
by Transplanted on Oct 5, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hickey :(
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrong move
Hickey must go.
Me babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
by Orlando Rays on Oct 5, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HICKEY
MUST GO
J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.
by Some other guy who does not care on Oct 5, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As I've always said, I have no idea what these coaches do
and how to evaluate if they are good or not. I do believe Rick Peterson is the best in the business and wanted to see him in our organization.
I had no opinion on Henderson, but if this is ‘Operation fix BJ Upton’ then I’m all for the move. Whatever it takes to get him where he needs to be. And where he needs to be in 2007 offense and this seasons defense. He’s just too absurdly talented not to be a consistent 5+ win player.
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by Tyler on Oct 5, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Im under the same assumption.
Coaches can say whatever they want, but I’m not sure what impact they really have. It would’ve been nice to have Peterson, but if our pitchers pitch to true talent level then the coach really doesn’t matter.
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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 5, 2009 9:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It may have been a rumor
a couple of weeks ago I heard that Fred McGriff had been working with BJ. Helping him with stance and swing adjustments.
by gjsor on Oct 5, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If that is true, he is hired !
BJ looked pretty damn good the last couple weeks.
by raysrule44 on Oct 5, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh-Huh?
J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.
by Some other guy who does not care on Oct 5, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adjustments
The dumb thing is that adjustments BJ needed were pretty obvious earlier in the season. His legs being closer together and getting his foot down sooner shouldn’t have taken so long. IMO he should work in the offseason to eliminate his toe tap timing step. I guess we will see next year if any more adjustments are made.
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by terp12 on Oct 5, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be great to have McGriff as the hitting coach
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by RaysOfHope on Oct 7, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have stats on OBA Navi vs. Zaun?
Curious how much of an impact backstop has on pitching performance…if any. I know we’ve analyzed Neimann’s growth here along the lines of pitch selection. It may be worth re-visiting the staff 08 vs 09. Especially middle relief and/or holdovers.
by pslieber on Oct 6, 2009 7:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is a bit misleading to compare year over year numbers with different players for a coach
That is punishing or rewarding them for moves by the FO and injuries etc.
Although even if you did just compare apples to apples nearly all pitchers get worse under Hickey. Next year we should expect more curves, less changeups, and higher individual FIPs. Hopefully Friedman upgrades the roster enough to compensate
Can we get robots for umpires and a computer to make in game strategy decisions? I'm sick of inconsistently bad umpiring and Joe's pitiful in game management. Oh and Navi (and BJ) need some PED's. BenZo, Bartlett, and Pena do not.
by matthan on Oct 6, 2009 8:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that you will. There won't be much SP turnover and Hickey isn't going to eliminate all other pitches save for the curve.
It will likely be about the same pitch type usage.
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by PlayOnWords on Oct 6, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hickey's Mission
1) Drink
2) ????
3) Curveballs
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by PlayOnWords on Oct 6, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
+1
J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.
by Some other guy who does not care on Oct 6, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fix BJ Upton?
Are they hiring House?
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by PlayOnWords on Oct 6, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sarcoidosis?
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 6, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he isn't coughing up blood, but his toe tap does look a bit like a seizure
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by terp12 on Oct 6, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to B-Ref's "productive outs."
The Rays % of productive out is 30. The Red Sox 30% and the Yankees 31%.
The percentage of a runner on third scoring with less than 2 outs
Yankees 54%
Red Sox 53%
Rays 51%
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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 6, 2009 9:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to take a look at wOBA yr/yr changes for indivduals under the guidance of Hendo for Thursday
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 6, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that it won't be that bad
I don’t remember the specifics from previous years, but this year was fairly decent. Benzo, Zobrist, and CC improved. Longo and Pena were Longo and Pena. Navi regressed, but back to 2007 levels. So if you punish Hendo you have to give him kudos for it 2008. Upton is the wild card, but he has been hurt. But then again I haven’t dug into the numbers, that is just my hunch.
Can we get robots for umpires and a computer to make in game strategy decisions? I'm sick of inconsistently bad umpiring and Joe's pitiful in game management. Oh and Navi (and BJ) need some PED's. BenZo, Bartlett, and Pena do not.
by matthan on Oct 6, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitters have fared worse under Hendo's watch from previous year HC, and better they ear after leaving Hendo
Yr/Yr under Hendo is split pretty evenly.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 6, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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That guy is a genius.
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by SeanDubbs on Oct 6, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Leo Mazzone
nothing else need be said
Atlanta v Baltimore—same approach—different pitchers
by sternfan1 on Oct 6, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You need to compare apples to apples
All you can ask a coach to do is maximize their players ability. How good that ability is should be irrelevant to in determining how good the coach is. You can not and should not penalize or reward the coach for talent on the team. Far too often we look at ability in a vacuum. I’d rather have the coach that gets Vicente Padilla pitching at 100% of his talent rather than someone who only gets 75% out of Roy Halladay.
Can we get robots for umpires and a computer to make in game strategy decisions? I'm sick of inconsistently bad umpiring and Joe's pitiful in game management. Oh and Navi (and BJ) need some PED's. BenZo, Bartlett, and Pena do not.
by matthan on Oct 6, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was Zobrist's private hitting coach?
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by terp12 on Oct 6, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jamie Cevallos
Here’s his website. He was also interviewed by Tommy earlier this year.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Oct 6, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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