Steve Henderson: The Fall Guy for B.J. Upton?
Early in the week the Rays' front office and Joe Maddon made the decision to relieve hitting coach Steve Henderson of his duties. The public seems divided into two camps: Those for it and those against it Those who favor the dismissal point to a failure to do small ball activities such as hitting the ball to the right side of the field with a runner on second and putting the ball into play with a runner on third. Critics feel that the Rays high strikeout tendency has caused the team to have a disproportionate amount of low scoring games.
The argument against Henderson's dismissal is the fact that the team set franchise records in runs scored, home runs, walks and on-base percentage this year . The franchise record argument does not mean much as this team has the highest true talent level of any Rays team. I think the real question we should be asking is how did they hit versus their expectations?
I'm not sure I put the "productive out" thing on Henderson's shoulders. Studies have shown that: a) strikeouts generally are not as harmful as their perception and b) sacrifice bunting reduces run the expectancy. There is a compelling argument to be made for allowing hitters to maintain their standard approach in productive out situations. However, the importance of productive outs can increase in close late games. Hitting the ball to the right side of the field is a skill that can be worked on. We don't know if this was supposed to be an area of focus in the past.
Since this is the first time I have heard any member of the Rays publicly acknowledge it. I'm not willing to put much stock in that being the main reason for Hendo's downfall.
So what other arguments can be made for Henderson's departure? I decided to replicate the work previously done on Jim Hickey. For the sake of simplicity, I will only look at wOBA. I am going to look at 2007-2009 and compare three different groups. The first group is players who started with a different team before coming under the direction of Henderson. The second group is players who have gone from the guidance of Henderson to a new hitting coach elsewhere. The third group is the change in player's year over year under Henderson.
For each group we will compare each individual's change in wOBA, look at the mean and median of the changes, look at the number of positive and negative changes, and look at the aggregate change of the group by weighting each player's wOBA by his percentage of the total plate appearances of the group. To qualify, a minimum of 100 plate appearances was needed in each season.
First, players going from Other Hitting Coach ----------à Steve Henderson:
|
Player |
Old team |
wOBA |
Rays |
wOBA |
Change |
|
2007 |
0.316 |
2008 |
0.347 |
0.031 |
|
|
2007 |
0.332 |
2008 |
0.336 |
0.004 |
|
|
2007 |
0.349 |
2008 |
0.349 |
0.000 |
|
|
2007 |
0.319 |
2008 |
0.311 |
-0.008 |
|
|
Willie Aybar |
2007 |
0.338 |
2008 |
0.321 |
-0.017 |
|
2008 |
0.362 |
2009 |
0.334 |
-0.028 |
|
|
2008 |
0.374 |
2009 |
0.304 |
-0.070 |
|
|
Mean |
-0.013 |
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Median |
-0.010 |
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|
Increases |
2 |
||||
|
Decreases |
4 |
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|
AggChange |
-0.018 |
There's nothing extremely telling here. Obviously the 2009 free agent acquisitions underperformed their previous wOBA the worst. That won't sit well with a front office that prides itself on buying low and selling high. Eric Hinske showed the only noticeable improvement of the group. Let's put this small sample of slightly negative data in our pocket and look at the other groups.
Players going from Steve Henderson ------à Another Hitting Coach:
|
Player |
Rays |
wOBA |
New Team |
wOBA |
Change |
|
2007 |
0.309 |
2008 |
0.382 |
0.073 |
|
|
2008 |
0.301 |
2009 |
0.373 |
0.072 |
|
|
2007 |
0.317 |
2008 |
0.354 |
0.037 |
|
|
2007 |
0.34 |
2008 |
0.37 |
0.030 |
|
|
2007 |
0.315 |
2008 |
0.324 |
0.009 |
|
|
Eric Hinske |
2008 |
0.347 |
2009 |
0.344 |
-0.003 |
|
2007 |
0.341 |
2008 |
0.318 |
-0.023 |
|
|
Mean |
0.028 |
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Median |
0.029 |
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Increases |
5 |
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Decreases |
2 |
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AggChange |
0.019 |
Five hitters improved under their new hitting coach, while 2 declined. The four biggest changers all improved. Combined with the last group we know that 9 players fared better away from Henderson, while 4 did the opposite. The aggregate change was consistent across both groups at -.0185 with Henderson.
Finally, Henderson Yr 1 ---------------à Henderson Year 2:
|
Name |
wOBA1 |
Year1 |
wOBA2 |
Year2 |
Change |
|
0.18 |
2007 |
0.364 |
2008 |
0.184 |
|
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Jason Bartlett |
0.311 |
2008 |
0.389 |
2009 |
0.078 |
|
0.28 |
2007 |
0.33 |
2008 |
0.050 |
|
|
0.319 |
2008 |
0.367 |
2009 |
0.048 |
|
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Ben Zobrist |
0.364 |
2008 |
0.408 |
2009 |
0.044 |
|
0.323 |
2008 |
0.338 |
2009 |
0.015 |
|
|
0.373 |
2008 |
0.38 |
2009 |
0.007 |
|
|
0.321 |
2008 |
0.328 |
2009 |
0.007 |
|
|
0.374 |
2008 |
0.374 |
2009 |
0.000 |
|
|
Akinori Iwamura |
0.338 |
2007 |
0.323 |
2008 |
-0.015 |
|
Gabe Gross |
0.336 |
2008 |
0.306 |
2009 |
-0.030 |
|
0.387 |
2007 |
0.354 |
2008 |
-0.033 |
|
|
Jonny Gomes |
0.339 |
2007 |
0.301 |
2008 |
-0.038 |
|
B.J. Upton |
0.354 |
2008 |
0.31 |
2009 |
-0.044 |
|
Carl Crawford |
0.365 |
2007 |
0.319 |
2008 |
-0.046 |
|
Carlos Pena |
0.43 |
2007 |
0.374 |
2008 |
-0.056 |
|
Dioner Navarro |
0.33 |
2008 |
0.258 |
2009 |
-0.072 |
|
|
Mean |
0.006 |
|||
|
Median |
0.003 |
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|
Increases |
8 |
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|
Decreases |
8 |
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|
AggChange |
-0.006 |
A pretty even split. What stands out here is the two time year/year decline of B.J. Upton. Who knows if there were issues between Henderson and Upton? Regardless, if you're the Rays and you have three more years of a cost controlled B.J. Upton (who still has all the potential in the world), why not get a fresh examination of the underacheiving, sky-is-the-limit talent of B.J. Upton?
On his Twitter account Keith Law may have put it best when he described the firing as " ...Operation Fix BJ Upton". The stakes with Upton are too high to not try every possible option, including a new hitting coach. While the above tables are not a clear indication of the need to replace Henderson, there is even less-to-no evidence to mandate keeping him. The patterns are this: Old Rays have fared slightly better with new teams, new Rays have fared slightly worse, and current Rays have stayed nearly static. In the absence of any compelling argument to keep Henderson, two consecutive years of -.030+ drops in wOBA from B.J. Upton is probably enough to warrant the change.
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The worst cases for Henderson are
Gomes, Dukes, Kapler and Burrell. Gomes went to a hitters park in the NL Central. Dukes did well in 2008, but awful in 2009. Kapler did his job against lefties, but Maddon had him face righties which brings down his overall wOBA. I don’t think we can blame Henderson for Burrell.
Again, I’m just not convinced a positional coach has that much impact. With that being said, whoever worked with B.J. Upton in September gets my vote.
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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 8, 2009 7:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Gomes Park adjusted runs above average
Rays 2008 -3.6
Cinn 2009 10.2
As for Kapler PA Year……vsRHP…….vsLHP
2008……..158…………..87
2009………64……………174
He had a far greater chance of success with the Rays based on usage
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm aware RAA is a counting stat
but the +/- tells you enough to avoid having to equally weight them
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that while Henderson may not be to blame for some of this,
There is a lack of supporting evidence to be overly critical of the decision.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think most of the critics were more suprised
that he was the one let go while Hickey remained than they were actually upset over the move. When the offense was going good hardly anybody said anything about Henderson. Personally, I want Cliff Floyd because he’s Cliff Floyd.
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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 8, 2009 9:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I'm looking at each on his own merit
I’ve been critical of Hickey all year. If its tough to measure the impact of positional coaches, the opportunity cost of change is not much to sweat.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Zo, did you hear the "ZoRilla" shout during the Yabkees game last night?
they were giving an OBP list showing Jeter
by sternfan1 on Oct 8, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a lot more to analyze on the pitcher side
Without a hit f/x equvilent to pitch f/x the data on hitters is pretty much results based. With pitchers we can see change in approach with pitch selection, velocity changes, pitch values etc. I think this is why we tend to be more critical of Hickey.
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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 8, 2009 9:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Bring back Cliff Floyd in some capacity--that'll fix BJ
In all honesty, the Rays have to change their approach based on the situation
For a team that scores 800 runs, to hold the dubious honor of being among the worst at games scoring three or less (72) may have done Hindu in
by sternfan1 on Oct 8, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
feast or famine all season.
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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 8, 2009 8:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Burrell and Gross' 2nd half really hurt
by sternfan1 on Oct 8, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burrell all season. Longoria hit a prolonged slump
Pena struggled for a bit. Things like that happen. However, it seemed everybody slumped at the same time for the Rays
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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 8, 2009 8:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Wow I had been feeling better (not great) about PTB's second half power
with a .383 SLG, then I noticed he had a 2nd half OBP of .292. Thats dreadful.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a good week or two to start out the second half.
I thought he was coming around, but obviously not. .292 OBP is Bengie Molina-esque
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by Tommy Rancel on Oct 8, 2009 9:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying he's better than Buster Posey?
/Saben’d
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Oct 8, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny you say that, I put together my matrix-based pitcher workbook and the FIP book spit out 85.6 wins for our starters combined
wOBA spit out 84. Basically saying that if you normalize our offense over the season we won just as many games as you would expect. The problem is that we lost an inordinate amount of those games where we scored 3 or less, because we rarely got a dominating start.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 8, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to factor in defense.
WAR had us around 96 wins, Pythag (which is basically what FIP/wOBA are replicating) at 86.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are there #'s to show how much more reliable WAR historically is than Pythag?
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool, thanks
Basically, Pythag is higher b/c it includes context .91 vs .83. Context was def. the Rays downfall, so that is pretty much a big endorsement of statistical noise and not talent being the Rays demise.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much.
People in the comments section seem to miss that context plays a big role in deciding baseball games, but that said context is sometimes simply random fluctuation.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Context is generally not an indicator of individual’s true talents. Critical in deciding outcomes but mostly due to chance. The Rays were the extreme victims of context, and thats why there is a lot of small ball chatter.
That being said I think there is work that could be done to evaluate high BB/K lineups and its effect on run variance.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked at WAR, Pythag, as well as other factors over a pretty long time span
Pythag was the best. WAR was good, but I found combination of different things to be a stronger indicator. Either way it is pretty good.
Can we get robots for umpires and a computer to make in game strategy decisions? I'm sick of inconsistently bad umpiring and Joe's pitiful in game management. Oh and Navi (and BJ) need some PED's. BenZo, Bartlett, and Pena do not.
by matthan on Oct 8, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point of FIP is that it doesn't use defensive-dependent stats so I'm not so sure on that front.
wOBA on the other hand does have a defensive texture to it, but when looking at pitchers on a single team it should be very reliable due to playing in front of essentially the same defense night after night. Honestly, for a while now I’ve felt like WAR has swung the pendulum back the other way on defense in that it over-rates it. Especially if you are using 150 games-worth of UZR. Is there any stock to the idea that the team with the highest UZR might not be as efficient as a team of high-UZR guys up-the-middle with average players on the fringes since they aren’t fielding as many balls? You watch as many games as I do and I think we can safely say that we weren’t a 96 win team this year. Even if we had won 2/3 of the games during that late losing streak we would have only had 93, still not making the playoffs.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 8, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAR isn't using UZR/150.
And you can’t totally ignore defense. Unless you are Baseball Prospectus of course.
Is there any stock to the idea that the team with the highest UZR might not be as efficient as a team of high-UZR guys up-the-middle with average players on the fringes since they aren’t fielding as many balls?
No, the effects of that are well-overstated. A run or two at absolute most, and that’s with elite-elite defenders playing there.
As of right now I have our 2010 projected win total at about 90, but that’s without a catcher.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did you use for that?
Marcels?
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Just back-of-napkin type WAR projections. There are a few player values that I’m not entirely comfortable with, but I tried staying conservative.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta ask, what do you have for Zo, BJ, Bartlesby,and Burrell?
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off memory, the ranges were:
Zo: 3-3.5
B.J.: 2.5-3
Bartlett :2-2.5
Burrell: 1-1.5
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close.
Player WAR
Catcher 0
Pena 3
Zobrist 3.5
Longoria 6
Bartlett 2.5
Crawford 3.5
Upton 3
Joyce 2.5
Burrell 1
Bench
Catcher 0
Aybar 1
Rodriguez 0.75
Perez 0.75
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not entirely comfortable with Pena
I think Aybar might be too high (same with Perez really).
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers:
Pitcher WAR
Shields 4
Garza 3
Niemann 2.5
Price 2
Davis 1.5
Bullpen
Howell 1
Balfour 0.75
Others 1
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also Joyce might be a we high now that I really look at it.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a really low figure for B.J.
High for Joyce
Low for Zo
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't have much of an issue moving B.J. up, I just don't feel like getting a headache explaining to people why he's higher than Player X and Player C because his season was still above average.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense should be somewhat constant within a half a win
B.J will not be worth -8.8 Runs batting next year. Thats stoopid.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back to back slides of .030+ in wOBA
He only has one direction to go. Even if you split the difference between 08 and 09 its over a win difference.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really though, if you have two defenders who can get to the same ball, then it's time to shift one of them.
Like with Carl/B.J.; since they intersect in left-center, play Carl closer to the line.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah the memories
Remember when they collided and Craw was all like, “Get up little bitch.” And Beej was seriously hurt so then he felt bad. Crawford is a freight train, get off the damn tracks.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 8, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad we couldn't have played this year without a catcher
2 DH’s and a tossback behind the plate would have been sweet.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 8, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously these numbers aren't very pretty, but I would add that they are unadjusted for park.
Going from Philly to Tampa, you would definitely expect some decrease, based on the FG PF numbers:
Season FullName PF
2008 Arizona Diamondbacks 1.05
2008 Atlanta Braves 1.00
2008 Baltimore Orioles 1.01
2008 Boston Red Sox 1.03
2008 Chicago Cubs 1.04
2008 Chicago White Sox 1.04
2008 Cincinnati Reds 1.02
2008 Cleveland Indians 0.99
2008 Colorado Rockies 1.09
2008 Detroit Tigers 1.00
2008 Florida Marlins 0.97
2008 Houston Astros 0.99
2008 Kansas City Royals 1.00
2008 Los Angeles Angels 0.99
2008 Los Angeles Dodgers 0.98
2008 Milwaukee Brewers 1.00
2008 Minnesota Twins 0.98
2008 New York Mets 0.97
2008 New York Yankees 1.00
2008 Oakland Athletics 0.98
2008 Philadelphia Phillies 1.02
2008 Pittsburgh Pirates 0.98
2008 San Diego Padres 0.92
2008 San Francisco Giants 1.01
2008 Seattle Mariners 0.96
2008 St. Louis Cardinals 0.98
2008 Tampa Bay Rays 0.98
2008 Texas Rangers 1.04
2008 Toronto Blue Jays 1.01
2008 Washington Nationals 1.01
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What are these?
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh nevermind
I thought you were saying your #’s were not adjusted for park
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a fair mix of guys going to hitters and pitchers parks, so, who knows.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, and in some cases (Gomes/Burrell) too large a difference to attribute it to parks
I thought Kapler’s drastic improved usage by handedness makes his decline very surprising. He should shown great overall improvement.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait to see the park factor for new yankee stadium
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good work though.
I honestly hadn’t realize that many Rays were down.
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Anyways this is a very good article and very nice work
It kind of confirms what I thought. My opinion of Hendo prior to this was that he was fairly neutral. Players didn’t really seem to improve or get worse in any disproportionate distribution any way we look at it.
With the ‘small ball’, I do blame Hendo but I also blame Maddon and Friedman. Friedman constructed this team of streaky high strike out hitters. Hendo can’t just change that. Of course you can argue that streaky and high strikeouts are fairly irrelevant, and you may have a point. However I don’t think you can pinpoint that on Henderson.
Can we get robots for umpires and a computer to make in game strategy decisions? I'm sick of inconsistently bad umpiring and Joe's pitiful in game management. Oh and Navi (and BJ) need some PED's. BenZo, Bartlett, and Pena do not.
by matthan on Oct 8, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I blame Friedman for putting together a roster that posted the second best wOBA and UZR in the league.
Damn him.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th wOBA
3rd in division. Not that theres anything shameful in that.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FG has
Yanks .366
Sox .352
Angels .346
Rays .343
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIRE HENDERSON
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure why you would only look at N-1 years stats instead of career averages or a projection
Kapler obviously wasn’t supposed to hit as well as he did in 08.
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