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Don't Sleep on David Price

 

It sure seems strange to be writing this. A year ago, David Price was on the cover of every pre-season baseball preview. The former #1 overall pick's triumphant pose following the 2008 ALCS was etched into history and people were projecting him as the 2009 staff ace. DRaysBay urged caution with the two-pitch lefthander, but when Price began the season in Durham, fans mercilessly were calling the Rays cheap. Then, David Price debuted and he pretty much struck out or walked every batter while struggling to make it into the fifth inning. Meanwhile Jeff Niemann emerged as a surprise rookie of the year candidate along with Brett Anderson of Oakland and Rick Porcello of Detroit. Very quietly, Price seemed to reinvent himself over the 2nd half of the season, both walking and striking out fewer hitters. However, his ratio was improving as was his ground ball percentage. Over the final two months of the season, price finished with a GB% north of 44%. He also began throwing his changeup, his missing third pitch, with more frequency and greater confidence. The change actually ended the season as his top-ranked pitch according to linear weights Runs Above Average per 100 pitches at .88. Below is a comparison of the Tale of Two Prices:

 

FIP

ERA

BB/9

K/9

BA

OBP

SLG

1st Half

5.31

4.70

6.3

9.6

0.241

0.360

0.429

2nd Half

4.37

4.27

2.5

5.9

0.241

0.296

0.380

 

They profile like entirely different pitchers. Let's see how 2nd half Price fared against the seasonal numbers of Anderson, Porcello, and Niemann: 

Star-divide

Age

FIP

xFIP

ERA

BB/9

K/9

BA

OBP

SLG

GB%

Rick Porcello

20

4.77

4.52

3.96

2.7

4.7

0.267

0.323

0.416

54.2%

Brett Anderson

21

3.69

3.8

4.06

2.3

7.7

0.265

0.312

0.399

50.9%

Jeff Niemann

26

4.07

4.74

3.94

2.9

6.2

0.266

0.33

0.399

40.5%

David Price

24

4.59

4.72

4.42

3.8

7.2

0.241

0.319

0.397

41.5%

Price 2nd half

24

4.37

N/A

4.27

2.5

5.9

0.241

0.296

0.380

N/A

 

The three-pitch Price measures up nicely with the rest of this crowd. Of course, other rookies may also have improved as the season progressed. There's a bias that favors Porcello and Anderson in that they pitch more frequently against weaker hitters. Below you will see the average BB and K%'s of the teams in each division:

 

BB%

K%

K/BB

AL East

9.76%

19.32%

1.98

AL Central

8.86%

19.68%

2.22

AL West

8.13%

19.95%

2.45

 

There is a 1.63% difference between in walks between the AL East and West. This does not even take into account some of the hitter friendly ballparks of the East. What if we were to look at how each pitcher fared vs. each division sorted by FIP (small sample size alert)?:

 

FIP

IP

K/9

BB/9

Niemann AL Central

3.13

54.4

7.11

1.49

Anderson AL Central

3.18

45.4

8.13

2.38

Price AL Central

3.27

29.3

9.22

3.69

Anderson AL West

3.66

70

7.07

2.19

Anderson AL East

4.18

51

7.94

2.29

Porcello Central

4.56

77.3

4.54

2.45

Niemann AL East

4.61

63.9

5.92

3.8

Niemann AL West

4.72

47.3

5.71

3.04

Price AL West

4.81

23.6

8.01

6.1

Price AL East

4.93

57.7

6.24

2.96

Porcello East

5.08

31.4

4.59

3.44

Porcello West

5.91

38.4

5.39

2.34

 

77 innings in the weak Central saved Porcello as his FIP was north of 5 against the rest of the American League. The sensational Anderson clearly comes out the best as he was the top dog against the East and West, and placed 2nd in the Central. One important caveat: Each pitcher faced each team a different amount of times.  Price was heavily penalized in the West with all 26.3 innings coming against Texas and Anaheim. Had he had the chance to face Seattle and/or Oakland, it is very likely he would have ranked higher.

I feel pretty comfortable projecting Price to rise to the top or at least alongside Anderson as the best pitcher in this crop. As he continues to gain confidence in his third offering and rediscover his prized slider, I would expect his K rate to improve again while maintaining a lower walk rate. Don't make the mistake of letting David Price be the forgotten man of the rotation.

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In this vein I decided to look at Edwin's 2009 FIP Divisional Splits

East 55.3 IP FIP 5.15
Cent 83.6 IP FIP 4.43
West 55 IP FIP 3.89

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by FreeZorilla on Nov 12, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

You lost me

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by FreeZorilla on Nov 12, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

for the curious

I painfully corrected the pitch types for David Price and found the percentages used per start.

Notice the preference of the curve over the slider come September.

by RZ on Nov 12, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Started out with the slider, lost faith

Went to almost exclusively fastballs before biting the bullet and finding success.

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by FreeZorilla on Nov 12, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if Zaun had anything to do with it

he caught that September 14th game where the curve usage went up

by RZ on Nov 12, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

started throwing his two seamer in august and september

More groundballs, more success

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by Tommy Rancel on Nov 12, 2009 6:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nice picture

I’m like sitting in a common area at USF and I heard the 2 guys behind me say “what the hell is he looking at”.

On topic, I’m actually impressed he didn’t struggle too badly against the AL West, which the team as a whole never seemed to sharp around.

by blackraven on Nov 12, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

Price handled year 1 very very well

He was, like all first year pitchers learning on the fly and trying to get by. He sometimes just did whatever he could to keep his team in the game. He did an excellent job of that in the second half of the season. That means more than people give him credit for. He didn’t lose it, but kept his composure.

And now that year 1 is in the books, I expect to see him build off that. Many pitchers would be very pleased to do what Price did last year. And yet, for Price, this is only scratching the surface. With time that diamond in the rough will shine brightly.

by raysfaninminnesota on Nov 12, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

The thing that impresses me most

is Brett Anderson. Every time I see any type of comparison with Anderson and whoever, all I do is become more impressed with him. He’s only 21 and had a great year.

As for Price, I think he will be fine next year and should have a solid season. I would love it if he could keep his BB/9 around 2.5 and get his K/9 up to 7.5-8.00.

by ReyL on Nov 12, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

On Anderson

He got destroyed in a couple of his starts, raising all of his numbers across the board. Here is the FIP for his first 21 starts. I chose 21 because that is the last time I updated that workbook and yeah:
 3.48
 4.44
 10.28
 2.35
 3.79
 8.26
 5.82
 4.98
 9.65
 2.01
 4.21
 7.40
 2.55
 2.77
 1.82
 2.40
 1.65
 1.95
 4.65
 2.24
 1.98

I'm not really a NUMBERS guy!!

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 12, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Spike Curve?

So during one of last years telecasts they said that Price had a rough development of a spike curve going when he was down in Durham. Is there any truth to this claim or is it just a regular 12-6 curve? Cause watching Cliff Lee throw his NASTY spike curve in the world series was ridiculous. if Price could make his even half as good as Lee’s than he would be the best lefty in the AL for sure.

by Bluechips85 on Nov 13, 2009 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

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