The Rise in the Fall of Nevin Ashley
Nevin Ashley is a 25-year-old catcher for the Rays originally drafted in the 6th round of the 2006 draft out of Indiana State University. Ashley showed ability at the plate through his time in A ball, but began to see his power disappear soon after. Ashley does possess surprising speed for a catcher as evidenced by his AFL leading four triples. Below is a snapshot of his career rates:
|
Season |
Level |
PA |
BB% |
K% |
OBP |
SLG |
ISO |
BABIP |
|
2006 |
R |
185 |
12.1% |
26.1% |
0.44 |
0.477 |
0.144 |
0.431 |
|
2007 |
A |
490 |
10.3% |
21.4% |
0.354 |
0.431 |
0.152 |
0.332 |
|
2008 |
A+ |
386 |
13.0% |
24.2% |
0.348 |
0.315 |
0.08 |
0.299 |
|
2009 |
A+ |
236 |
9.9% |
23.5% |
0.343 |
0.335 |
0.095 |
0.305 |
|
2009 |
AA |
139 |
13.2% |
26.3% |
0.331 |
0.314 |
0.102 |
0.279 |
Despite run of the mill offensive numbers, Nevin Ashley was named as a 2009 Florida State League All-Star. There is no question about his arm strength behind the dish as he gunned down a video game-like 48 of 101 (47.5%) base runners in 2009 between A+ and AA. As analysts, we don't have great measures available to evaluate catcher's game calling or defense. For this reason catcher defense is ignored altogether when evaluating Wins Above Replacement. Nonetheless, there's no denying it exists. If proof is needed, look at John Jaso's minor league offensive numbers and ask why he has had little to no shot with the big league club to date.
GIven the lack of information, its worth noting that Ashley was named the Rays Organizational Defensive Player of the Year Award. This seems like a true endorsement given the lack of measurable. For further subjective evaluation jsut ask Stephen Strasburg, the #1 overall pick this year, "Nevin Ashley (catcher Rays) did a great job calling the game. We were always on the same page. We knew to go to a sinker in those situations to get a ground ball." Desert Dogs Pitching Coach Paul Menhart ,when asked about catching Strasburg, chimed in, "Ashley caught his first outing and today's effort. They have had a good plan each time, a very aggressive plan."
Ashley was selected along with Organizational Base Runner of the Year Shawn O'Malley to represent the Rays in the Arizona Fall League. It's no secret Ashley worked with Ben Zobrist's Swing Mechanic, Jamie Cevallos prior to the 2008 season. While they do not actively work together any longer, they do remain in contact. Ashley seems to have found a groove in the warm Arizona climate where he has posted an OPS of 1.113 heading into November 17th, good for 4th in the league. Before I run the risk of speaking hyperbole, Nevin Ashley's 67 At-Bats in the Arizona Fall League do not qualify him as an offensive phenom in anybody's eyes. Most readers have heard the warning shots, which are all very true:
A) Ashley has been old for his minor league level
B) His offensive performance the past two seasons in A+ and AA have been uninspiring to say the least
C) The Arizona Fall League is a heavily inflated offensive league
The hope instead is that Ashley can have a modest bat to accompany potentially elite defensive skills. While sabermetricians have yet to quantify this, it is fun to imagine and not impossible that our outside the box front-office and coaching staff may have a true proprietary defensive read on Ashley. If Ashley's defense is the equivalent of John Jaso's offense and Ashley can begin to put up some respectable numbers at the dish, the Rays could have a future contributor on hand. Remember, this is a position where the expectations are so low that 2009 catcher Dioner Navarro could put up an OPS of .583 and still only be -.1 WAR.
How can we put perspective on Ashley's 57 at-bat-sample size in an extreme offensive league without discarding it entirely as some suggest? Ashley spent 2009 playing in A+, AA, and the AFL. I calculated the average team OPS in each league to create league factors based around the middle number which was AA. Then I weighted Ashley's OPS in each league by both the league factor and by the percentage of Ashley's total plate appearances for the season. This allowed for Ashley's 2009 weighted OPS of .728:
|
|
LgOps |
Weights |
OPS |
PA |
%PA |
Weighted OPS |
|
AA |
0.711 |
1 |
0.644 |
139 |
31.4% |
0.203 |
|
A+ |
0.684 |
1.037975 |
0.678 |
236 |
53.4% |
0.376 |
|
AFL |
0.790 |
0.888889 |
1.113 |
67 |
15.2% |
0.150 |
|
|
|
|
Total PA |
442 |
|
0.728 |
Despite the offensive nature of the league and small sample size of at-bats, we can also compare historical catcher data from the AFL going back to 2005. In an offensive league the numbers should be inflated for all hitters so it is still an apples-to-apples comparison. Below is a table of all AFL catchers since 2005 with a minimum of 50 at-bats and an OPS of .800 or better. The age column refers to the catcher's age at the time of his AFL appearance. Before and Pre-OPS refer to the catcher's immediate preceding season prior to the AFL. Now and Post-OPS refer to the 2009 season. When selecting the level for Pre and Post-AFL, I used the level with the most plate appearances for the season.
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Name |
Year |
Age |
AFLOPS |
AB |
Before |
Pre-OPS |
Now |
Post-OPS |
|
2008 |
22 |
1.433 |
75 |
A+ |
0.921 |
AA |
0.993 |
|
|
Matt McBride |
2009 |
24 |
1.152 |
66 |
AA |
0.728 |
??? |
??? |
|
2008 |
23 |
1.126 |
84 |
A+ |
0.827 |
AA |
0.831 |
|
|
Nevin Ashley |
2009 |
25 |
1.113 |
67 |
A+ |
0.678 |
??? |
??? |
|
Jason Jaramilo |
2006 |
24 |
1.027 |
66 |
AA |
0.708 |
MLB |
0.673 |
|
2008 |
25 |
0.968 |
97 |
AA |
0.706 |
AAA |
0.714 |
|
|
AJ Ellis |
2006 |
25 |
0.966 |
52 |
AA |
0.676 |
AAA |
0.813 |
|
2008 |
24 |
0.916 |
59 |
AA |
0.666 |
AA |
0.887 |
|
|
2006 |
23 |
0.892 |
88 |
AA |
0.79 |
AAA |
0.577 |
|
|
2007 |
23 |
0.864 |
50 |
A+ |
0.678 |
AA |
0.717 |
|
|
2006 |
23 |
0.851 |
56 |
AA |
0.778 |
AAA |
0.714 |
|
|
2007 |
24 |
0.847 |
52 |
AAA |
0.86 |
AAA |
0.845 |
|
|
2008 |
22 |
0.845 |
73 |
A+ |
1.024 |
MLB |
0.753 |
|
|
2005 |
20 |
0.825 |
73 |
A+ |
0.913 |
MLB |
0.661 |
|
|
Jeff Clement |
2005 |
22 |
0.824 |
67 |
A |
0.908 |
AAA |
0.845 |
|
2008 |
22 |
0.82 |
69 |
A+ |
0.808 |
AA |
0.816 |
With the exception of Curtis Thigpen, this list has put up respectable numbers following their Arizona Autumns. The two players that jump out as being most comparable to Ashley are A.J. Ellis are Mark Wagner, given their age and mediocre offensive numbers preceding the AFL.
A.J. Ellis has spent most of the past two seasons in AAA with the Dodgers organization. He has displayed a keen eye walking 15.4% and 18.4% during that time period. He also had a BABIP of .372 the past 2 seasons. The knock on Ellis is that his lack of power (ISO .060) will erode his walking skills in the big leagues. Nonetheless his past 2 seasons his slash lines have been .321/.436/.546 and .314/.438/.375. I don't know of his defensive ability but if he is of average talent, he would have played for the Rays by now.
Mark Wagner seems to have followed Ashley's path as well displaying early success at the A levels before stalling out with a .666 OPS in AA in 2008. During his repeat campaign for the Red Sox AA affiliate following his AFL success that number jumped to .887, with both OBP and SLG jumping over .100.
Catchers are notoriously late bloomers at the plate in the minors. Ashley may fade away quietly, but there remains a chance he can become an average bat for a catcher to go with his excellent arm and subjectively well thought of defensive ability. Nevin Ashley could become the Gabe Gross of catchers. All I ask, is that you don't close the book on Nevin Ashley just yet.
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For whatever it's worth
Despite pedestrian numbers, he’s still a better prospect with a track record than any other Rays catcher drafted in the top 10 rounds since Toby Hall. He’s made it further than Matt Spring, Christian Lopez (3rd round bonus despite signing late), Mark Thomas (5th round bonus), etc.
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by Tommy Rancel on Nov 19, 2009 8:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jefferies was mediocre in BG last season
Granted he is only 22, and strikes out much less than Ashley. Ashley has proven the ability to take a walk, where Jefferies doesn’t strike out or walk. As we saw with our catchers last year, sometimes the best thing a medicore hitting catcher can do is take a pitch. There have also been arm strength questions on Jefferies though is allegedly fundamentally strong behind the plate.
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...out of Indiana State University
THATS why he’s so familiar to me. I was a senior in high school hanging out in ISU’s Lincoln Quad when he was going there.
In fact, I’m pretty sure I’ve drank with this guy before: 
Then again I drank with a lot of random people when I was in high school…
I can’t believe I never cared enough to look this guy up. Needless to say he’s instantly my new favorite prospect.
Prospect may be a stretch at this point
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I have both ISU and IU alumni in my family. I'll have to chat them up to see if they've heard anything.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 19, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
It would be accounted for in his season #'s
Thats why I did a weighted OPS adjusted for league factors. I’ll throw out the AFL OPS and look at just the weighted OPS I calculated.
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by FreeZorilla on Nov 19, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'd throw out the AFL stats completely.
And comparing him to Gross is insulting.
He’s a pull-happy, no pop, strong-armed, willing to walk 25-year-old who struggled in every level above A-ball.
There’s a non-zero chance he reaches the majors for a decent amount of time, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 19, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Its only insulting if we assume he is not an excellent defensive catcher
There is a 12.5 Run positional adjustment for a catcher vs -12.5 for a RF. His offensive expectations based on position are so much less than Gross’s. Its borderline unimportant. Offensive catcher production is a luxury not the expectation, yet that is all catchers are evaluated on. There is a disconnect due to lack of a readily available metric.
Its an equally valid point that otuside of his arm I have no quantifiable proof that he is a good defender. I suppose his career arc with the Rays will be the determining factor if there is any validity.
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by FreeZorilla on Nov 19, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Well said.
I’m wondering, though, are his 2009 AA numbers chronologically after his 2009 A+ numbers — as in a call up — or did he start in AA and move down?
Also, at this pace, what year would we expect to see him in Spring Training?
It's a "promotion" in the sense he moved upwards.
And he’ll probably be in spring since they usually carry 6-7 guys. As the roster stands we only have three 40-man guys.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 19, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
He started in ST last year briefly
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by FreeZorilla on Nov 19, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
He started in FSL, was named an all-star and then promoted
Around the time the Rays claimed Lobaton (another catcher with defensive accolades from his previous org), Ashley was sent back to Charlotte. Lobaton has had more offensive success at higher levels.
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by FreeZorilla on Nov 19, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'm assuming he's an excellent defensive catcher.
Like I’ve pointed out before, the fact that he doesn’t hit helps his defensive reputation.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 19, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I talked to an AFL scout about Ashley who said
.good defender with a plus arm, but don’t like the bat or the approach. Should be hitting for way more power than he does with that build. Rough swing and doesn’t get cheated, dead pull hitter that can’t go to the opposite field; chronic first pitch swinger that’s run into a few balls here, but it’s a flukish sample size
by Jason Collette on Nov 19, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions
Thanks for this
What does “doesn’t get cheated” refer to?
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by FreeZorilla on Nov 19, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
He swings like he means it
Can’t say that I like the first-pitch swinging approach one bit. Perhaps if that can be beaten out of him, he’ll see corresponding increases to his wOBA component numbers.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 19, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
He still walks at a nice clip though.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 19, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Hardly walked at all in AFL
Its not out of the question that he changed his approach in AFL
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by FreeZorilla on Nov 19, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
2 walks 71 AB
PA not available. I know he was also beaned at least 3 times.
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by FreeZorilla on Nov 19, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Sure
First pitch swinger does not typically correlate to decent BB rates though. His scouting was based on Arizona, where he happened to hardly walk. I’m not trying to say he had a change in approach for the better. Its probably not uncommon to become more aggressive in an offensive climate where you can hardly contain your drool at the plate.
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by FreeZorilla on Nov 19, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Since none of us have seen Ashley and are not prospect experts
I spoke to Kevin Goldstein who is and has seen Ashley in Arizona.
“Ashley really is a good defender. He’s suprisingly athletic back there and his arm is a true plus, maybe a bit more than that. That said, he just can’t hit. You just can’t get too worked up about the AFL stuff as it’s a tiny sample size, it’s friggin’ Arizona, where everyone hits and his BABIP is approaching a ridiculous .500.”
“That said, if he got to the big leagues as a backup on defense alone, it wouldn’t shock me.”
Honestly, KG’s opinion carries more weight to me than the organization awards or a throw away quote from a pitcher. I am encouraged that he holds Ashley’s D in such high regard. I never said Ashley was a bum, but A) I don’t see the need to put him on the 40 man right now and B) don’t think he solves our catching woes. If he wants to back up Luke Bailey in three years, all the power to him.
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by Tommy Rancel on Nov 19, 2009 12:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Thanks for this too
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by FreeZorilla on Nov 19, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Found this Goldstein nugget from the DRB archive circa 2/07
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KG: I’m imagining you and your readers are pretty astute. You’ve probably heard of Fernando Perez, a real favorite of mine who (I think) missed everybody’s top 10 lists, but would make them in almost any other system. How about I got deeper and take catcher Nevin Ashley?
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Everyone loves Ashley's defense, but what was the difference between 2008 and 2009?
In 2008 he threw out under 30% of basestealers.
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Also found this from the 2008 BA Prospect Handbook
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Talks some of his defense
Pros:
Work Ethic
Hours working with the pitchers
Improved defensive game particularly blocking balls
.992 Field pct
Calls Good Games
Cons: Needs to work on exchange which would make throws to 2nd more accurate.
He threw out 52% at Princeton and 33% at Colombus
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Thanks for posting that, interesting to read the Hellickson review
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 19, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions

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