The Official Free Agency and Rosterbation 2010 Hot Stove Season Thread a.k.a. The Thread to End All Threads a.k.a Smooth Pimplicious Andy F is Ready to School Some Fools a.k.a. Let's Get Ready to Rumble
I think the title pretty much sums up what's going on here. I'm going to make the effort to keep this thread updated with moves as they happen. Now I'm no Jon Heyman or Mort Anderson so I'm going to wait until I find confirmation on a deal going down before putting it in the thread. The way I'd like this to work is to start new sub-threads for every deal, so please push the reply button as hard as you can so that we can keep discussion on that particular move.
Here's some links that may be worth keeping an eye on:
As always, I highly encourage you to visit the other SBN sites as well, to bounce ideas off of them and to see where they stand on everything.
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Allow me to start the conjecture
The Rays should offer Rocco Baldelli a minor league contract. Come home Rocco!!!!!!!!
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's a FA
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So is Adam LaRoche
If we can move Pena, LaRoche could be an affordable signing

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KLAW
LaRoche is a rare bird, a player with a sustained, significant performance spike in the second halves of seasons — which means that before the All-Star Break, he’s nothing special. He has average or slightly above-average power and his plate discipline isn’t a strength (12 of his walks this year were intentional). He’s also very vulnerable to left-handed pitchers, especially anyone with a decent curve or slider. On defense, he has very little range but receives the ball well and can handle the ball hit right at him. He’s an average offensive player at a premium offensive position, and the shape of his production means he’s probably best served as the strong half of a platoon, but I’d expect some team to pay him as a regular in both salary and years.
I'm a Brett Favre honk so FUCK YOU!
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Nov 20, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...Yeah I hate the '2nd half star' players. Aubrey Huff loved to do that.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Nov 21, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are right, I was going to say that Los has mostly seemed like a second half player, so here's the numbers
wOBA…LaRoche..Pena……Diff
Apr/Mar…0.290……0.327….0.037
May……….0.334……0.340….0.005
June……..0.345……0.389….0.044
July……….0.380……0.346….(0.034)
August….0.400……0.423…..0.023
Sept/Oct..0.377……0.374…..(0.003)
The thing that really stands out to me is the BAbip:
Babip…..LaRoche…Pena….Diff
Apr/Mar….0.243……0.252…0.009
May……….0.288…….0.287…(0.001)
June……..0.303…….0.322….0.019
July……….0.315…….0.287….(0.028)
August….0.354…….0.296…..(0.058)
Sept/Oct..0.362……0.296……(0.066)
LaRoche has to have a crazy BAbip for his wOBA to be above average, while Pena does not have that problem. Remember the AL average wOBA for 1B is 0.358. HERE is a google.doc so that you can see other points of interest. Mainly note the PA, perhaps Pena has had more time for his BAbip to fall in line, but in most cases it’s only 100 PA’s. Anyway, you guys were right on about this, I wouldn’t look to LaRoche as a fill in if Pena bounces anytime soon.
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 24, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's just tired, not dead
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BAIT
FREE SPEACH is a myth. There is no such thing as 100% free speech. You cannot go into a movie theater and say "FIRE"!…"What? I have freedom of speach!" Bull. Doesnt work that way. Any real lawyer will tell you that.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Nov 20, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're the one that's good
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I found this interesting
Free Agent Predictions
They have us getting Calero and Zaun.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Marco Scutaro + Red Sox= NO
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by Some other guy who does not care on Nov 20, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they want to sign him and give up their 1st round pick. Fine.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Nov 20, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would the new-look Jays offer him Arb?
I mean his season was almost as much of an outlier as Barty and he’s 33. Arb would probably make him a lot of money that he might be inclined to take.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea though.
Rec’d so it sticks to the top.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 20, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brad Thompson signs with the Royals
John Paul Morosi
Low, low K rate, but he didn’t walk anyone either in 09 with the Cards. Over 386 ML innings he has a 4.89 FIP that may be exaggerated slightly by a 2007 that saw him get 17 starts. Looks like he’s pretty good against righties:



Could be a decent low-cost find for the Royals. Maybe Dayton Moore studied some basic economics at a community college over the summer with these recent moves.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Royals also signed Jorge Campillo to a Minor League contract
Dick Kaegel
Could be the kind of low-risk move that we make. To wit:
Year FIP IP
2005 3.52 2
2006 2.29 2.1
2007 5.41 13
2008 4.00 158.2
2009 3.79 4.1
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8686&position=P
Of course, he’s 31 and has thrown 180 innings in the Majors, but check out his 2008 pitch values.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It feels like just yesterday we were going after Bradley and working with Burrell.
Oh wait….
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Nov 20, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to start honking the horn on the "trade for Yonder Alonso" bandwagon
I wanted Billy Butler as a DH/1B last off-season but KC wisely held onto him. Alonso would be a nice get as a 1B of the future, but it’d have to be a prospect(s) for prospect(s) swap since Cincy doesn’t want to take on payroll.
Vroom vroom party starter
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Nov 20, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You should access the archive of Jeff Erickson's Rotowire show from this past Tuesday.
He had Sickels on and they covered Alonso at length – reviews were mixed, but both agreed he was too beefy
by Jason Collette on Nov 20, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear they're considering moving Votto to LF to make room
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by Brickhaus on Nov 20, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Votto is someone to shoot for
Votto put up a 4.4 WAR in 2009 (compared to 2.8) of Pena. As desperate as they are for pitching maybe they could put something together around Niemann (and Brignac?) for him. The guy’s a stud and would be getting much more press if he was on a winning team. He also could be available for a lot less than say Adrian Gonzalez.
by raysfaninminnesota on Nov 20, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems unlikely to me that we'd get him for that little.
Package would probably need to be more along the lines of Davis + another good player
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by Brickhaus on Nov 23, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What would you give up for him
I’m pretty unfamiliar with him, maybe you could give a little background to enlighten us fools
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another good 1B/3B prospect
who is available is Matt Gamel, I mentioned this else where, but the Brewers would like young/cheap SP in return so Jeff Niemann would made sense. Also if that is not enough for him, if we waited until about the ASB to trade PENA those prospects we get in return could supplement Niemann in that trade and give Hellboy and Gamel some time to mature so we possibly wouldn’t be losing too much in production while gaining 5.5 years of a good young future 1B.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Nov 20, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Gamel a lot, but I don't get why everyone wants to ditch Niemann
We have him for 5 more years, and outside of a likely to regress HR rate, I thought he pitched pretty well last year. I think it’s far more likely that we move Garza than Niemann.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't ignore Niemann's injury history.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 20, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's one thing I always overlook in this argument, and you're right that it can't be ignored.
Putting together the top-30 starts gave me a chance to watch him quite a bit and I really like what he can do. The flip side is that last year is probably his peak, unless you think a bump to his K/9 is likely. I consider guys like him to be a moraine. He can maybe improve slightly, but the other side is a steep precipice to fall off of.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's got some perks.
Also some valleys that should be fixable. I.E. throwing so many flat fastballs.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 20, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By moraine, I of course meant, drumlin.
NYS Geology was so long ago.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RJ's right about injury
but same trade scenario but with Garza inserted, would probably require more from the Brewers, and they have two good catching prospects in the minors we could target in that deal as well.
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Nov 20, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a huuuuge Jon Lucroy fan
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
me too, but i dont think i would give up Garza for him
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gamel and LuCroy is quite the package, throw in a non-spect arm if you want.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would definetly do it for Gamel and LuCroy
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Time to get back on the Butler bandwagon
Hosmer is on the way and I believe that they are pretty enamored with him.
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Nov 22, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would anyone make a Jesus Flores trade for Jason Bartlett?
i think i would
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Would the Nats?
I’d want them to throw in a low arm or something else. They still owe us for Glenn Gibson.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well as of right now they have Ian Desmond at SS, since they have moved Guzman to 2nd
so ya maybe they could work something out
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never heard of Desmond, but at least you can hide Guzman's bat at SS
Using my NL league average baselines, Guz was worth -12 wRAA at SS, it would have been -17 at 2B. He’s not a good player, but he goes from not good to awful, by putting him on second.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ive heard Desmond is good with the glove, but why not trade for an allstar in Bartlett?
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Money
They know that they are a long ways away. It’s a good idea, Zimmerman’s range can help Bartletts declining defense and their offense was a mess last year, but Bartlett is just about to get really expensive. Flores seems like an enigma. In a really small sample last year, he blew the doors out, but hadn’t done much before that.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ya i really hope that Bartlett is moved this offseason
he is about to get a raise (probably will make 3-4 M next year), his defense is on the decline and i think he is really overrated, and that Brignac will outperform him next year.
hopefully someone will overpay for him, someone like Flores, a position of need for us
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Brignac outplays him, but I agree on Bartlett
Would you be comfortable with Briggy putting up a .310 wOBA with a low OBP even if he gives us a fantastic glove?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes i am.
im quite high on Briggy, i think he is going to be better with the bat then most think, also next year all he is going to make is 400k while Barty makes 4M
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see him doing something like
.240/.300/.400 (Briggy) with 5<x<15 defense whereas Jaybles might be more like his career
.287/.350/.394 with -10<x<0 defense
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i see Briggy more being a .275/.330/.425 hitter
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see that in his true rookie season
Obviously, I’d love to, but I’ve got the AL baseline for SS’s at .322 wOBA and the same for ML. You may be over-valuing Reid’s bat slightly.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ya maybe
i just like what i saw from him last year in his limited at bats. i have been high on Briggy for quite a few years now. i would be happy if he put up the stat line that you have him at
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick math.
.3+.4 = .7 /2.25 = .311
.35+.394 = .744/2.25 = .331
Over 650 PA that’s an 11 run difference.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 20, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad for guesswork on my behalf
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually thought you used the 2.25 trick when I saw .311 and you said .310 a comment or two up.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 20, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to run the numbers, but figured I'd go from the gut
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also a name that MLBtraderumors has on there non-tend list that i would like to see be added Taylor Buchholz
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/nontender-candidates-revised.html
here is the list
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Saw that, it's like the island of misfits looking at that thing
I can’t believe Cust is on there. I like Conor Jackson. Remember when the Marlins wanted to trade us Scott Olson for Scott Kazmir? How the mighty have fallen.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Colorado would move Franklin Morales.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 20, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what type of deal were you thinking?
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like he's done well out of the pen
Morales for Gross?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Morales for Gross and Wheeler
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how highly the Rockies value him.
I don’t consider them stupid, but at the same time that seems like a fair deal.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 20, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does he have any options?
We’ve already picked up 2 relievers on top of Calero/Benoit/unknown that you have to think we are looking at. I know that we will throw as many options at the wall in ST, but that seems like a bunch of guys to pursue that will probably end up in Durham/cut. Dale Thayer’s stache just rated at 3 WAR, btw.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was also thinking about Lowe/Morrow and our glut of infielders after reading Cameron's post about switch hitting utility men.
I don’t do Aybar for either though.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 20, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rob Lowe? If they're talking about a Morrow for Edwin trade then I don't think Aybar would be enough
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aybar and Wheeler for Lowe?
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they're talking about Edwin then Aybar is too much.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 20, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wipe that smirk off your face
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
any chance that we go after Bengie Molina if we are able to work out a Burrell for Bradley trade?
Moving Burrell would free up some money
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
im hopeing that we can get a young catcher in either a Bartlett or a CC trade if thats what it comes down to with CC
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by RaysOfHope on Nov 20, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rockies re-sign catcher Paul Phillips to a minor league contract
Troy Renck
Phillips has a .293 wOBA over a career of 213 plate appearances. The article states that they may still try to re-sign Yorvit Torrealba, but if they can’t he could be a pretty decent option for the Rays. Yorvit turned down a 2/4.5M deal from Colorado so they may pony up more or just say screw it and roll with what they’ve got. He had a .316 wOBA last year, while I have the average ML catcher at .317 so he was a basically league average bat. Over his career it’s at .307. The 31-year old threw out 14% of his would-be thieves last year (yuck), but that number is at 29% over his career. For what it’s worth his range factor was 8.8 last year. Could be an upgrade over Navi for the same money, but not a great leap forward.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 20, 2009 5:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
perhaps the Rays could get Soto included in a Bradley deal?
seems like an interesting buy low candidate whom the Cubs may have soured on as well.
by raysfaninminnesota on Nov 20, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
One scenerio I was thinking about today
is trading Crawford back to his native texas rangers. If you think about what we need most, a young first baseman and catcher top the list. What about a package starting with Smoak and one of Salty/Teagarden/Ramirez? That would be pretty sweet to kill two major needs with one trade, with bullpen help as the lone area of concern. Maybe throwing in CJ Wilson too?
by BossmanJunior333 on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I want the only one who can play D
since they all have potential good bats. Teagarden, Smoak and Wilson would be sick, however, I would love to see CC get like a 4 year deal.
1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Wade Davis Coming Soon: Jeremy Hellickson
by joeybw on Nov 21, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would like to see him get a 4 year deal as well
maybe with a option for a 5th year
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by raysfan81 on Nov 27, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just tossing this out there
the Marlins were unable to sign Josh Johnson and him and the team are very bad terms saying “I wanted a 4th year, it was now or never and they wouldnt budge at all”
Marlins cant afford anyone(dude isnt looking to be Sabathia, he wants 4 years 40 million
Who would be down for a deal involving Niemann and spects? I know we have pitching but you can always add an ace.
Shields, Garza, Johnson, Price, and Davis/Hellickson give us 5 guys who can be and have been many times(especially JJ, Shields and Garza) What would you trade?
1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Wade Davis Coming Soon: Jeremy Hellickson
by joeybw on Nov 21, 2009 12:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why aren't you dead yet?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Nov 21, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That poor dead horse has been beaten enough I think
1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Wade Davis Coming Soon: Jeremy Hellickson
by joeybw on Nov 21, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone think about which teams we match up best with
in regards to a possible Crawford trade? In thinking any team we traded Crawford two would have to meet three criteria 1) Budget to afford him and sign to possible longterm deal 2) Need for a leftfielder 3) Have pieces the Rays need (young catcher, first baseman, reliever, etc)
The reason reason the Rangers came to mind is that they have the young players we desire, a vacancy in left field, and Crawford is from Texas. However, as RJ pointed out, they might not have the budget to keep Crawford.
Can anyone think of any teams the Rays match up really well with for a potential Crawford trade? Maybe the Giants?
by BossmanJunior333 on Nov 21, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
haha well not in our division I guess goes without sayin
by BossmanJunior333 on Nov 21, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mariners want a great defensive LF
Dunno what they would give us.
1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Wade Davis Coming Soon: Jeremy Hellickson
by joeybw on Nov 21, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Angels
Idk, they have catching rosterbation
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by Some other guy who does not care on Nov 21, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Angels have a few players I like
Brandon Wood and Napoli. With the way the Angels have played around with Wood the last few years, I would think some of the top prospect shine has washed off. They also seem to really like Mathis behind the plate. He started just about as many games as Napoli last year. I don’t really have any feel for what would be a fair trade when it comes to this, so would this be ripping the Angels off? I know RJ says to add another player if you feel comfortable with it, so would we have to throw in a young arm too?
by ReyL on Nov 21, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Rhyne Hughes
Congrats to Hughes, the slugging 1B traded for Gregg Zaun, for being added to the Orioles 40 man
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by FreeZorilla on Nov 21, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little fucked, but I find this hilarious
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 22, 2009 2:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why? He's certainly ready for a MLB stint
and as a 1B/DH i could see him sticking ifor a season if taken
As a hitter i’d rather have him than the infamous Gabe Gross
by sternfan1 on Nov 22, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but you prefer the evil you don't know over the one that you do
They weren’t going to expose him after giving up something for him. If he gets 150 starts he will be one of the worst 1B in the league. As a fielder and bringer of value, I’d rather have the infamous Gabe Gross.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 22, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes is a good defensive player
THe problem is Hughes plays a position where a huge bat is a must. Nonetheless I wish him the best.
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by FreeZorilla on Nov 22, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mariners
Crawford Bartlett and Niemann for Felix and Morrow. While it does not address catcher or first base it would improve team and clear payroll.
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Nov 22, 2009 12:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
should get a Josh Fields also
I don’t see them trading Felix at all and since they have a boner for Wilson, Barty is useless to them
1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Wade Davis Coming Soon: Jeremy Hellickson
by joeybw on Nov 22, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson sucks
I know they signed him to a two year deal but he has been horrible since coming over from Pittsburgh. Actually he wasn`t much better in Pittsburgh for that matter. I don`t think Felix is moving either but I have seen quite a few posts on MLBTR about him being shopped.
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Nov 22, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he'll be shopped as long as they can hose whoever is doing the buying
As for Jack Sprat, defense counts and he’s 733T when it comes to that portion of the game.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 22, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson is a league average player.
And it was a little over 100 plate appearances.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 22, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
.299 slg is average?
Josh Wilson hit better. I don`t think Felix is going anywhere but I do think the Ray`s are one of the few teams with the goods to pull it off.I`m not sure I would like their price but what I put out there are pieces I think will be gone soon anyway. Who do you yhink goes when Hellboy is ready?
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Nov 22, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Using the ML SS baseline that I established (.322 wOBA) his .292 wOBA was worth -10.3 runs (about a win in the wrong),
BUT, if you weight his last 3 years of UZR at 2/3/5 (-0.1/9.7/14) you get a weighted average of 9.89. Add all that up and divide by 10 to convert to wins, and he’s exactly a Major League average SS at 0.0 wins. For a team that emphasizes defense, he is a great player, and likely priced at or below market value. I remember playing the M’s last year and every single game I was frustrated that nothing would fall. It’s not as sexy as the dinger, but I’ll take fundamental defense all day.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 22, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson is one of the best defensive shortstops in the league.
Defense matters.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 22, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indian`s catching prospects
The Indians have Lou Marson from Philadelphia in the Lee trade. They also have top prospect Carlos Santana. Who do you think is a better fit for the Ray`s and at what cost?
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Nov 22, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Santana would cost an arm and a leg
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 23, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When will i post my first 'I told you so'
if Brignac replaces Bartlett at SS next season?
Brignac has never hit outside the softballesque California league
by sternfan1 on Nov 22, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would imagine you'll do it after his first AB that he makes an out
I’m sure you are itching to feel superior even though Briggy is a big, big, big upgrade in the field. I will take a below-average bat at the number 2 most important defensive position.
I'm not really a NUMBERS guy!!
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 22, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't--not after we saw how good Barty was as a lead off and overall hitter
by sternfan1 on Nov 22, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we bat him leadoff all year and he continues to slash at .329/.389/.490 that he put up for the year
Or you can look at the slash he put up as a leadoff of .303/.398/.463 Pretty good. I’m more inclined to think that he will be the guy that has slashed .287/.350/.394 over 2,269 ML PA’s (.282/.374/.408 in 368 as a leadoff). Continue to value him as if last year is his true-talent level, because I can’t wait to tell you ‘I told you so.’
I'm not really a NUMBERS guy!!
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 22, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MLBtr
* The Rays are said to be interested in discussing a long-term extension with Carl Crawford. If the team does decide to move him, however, the Mets and Braves have expressed interest.
* The Rangers and White Sox are among the teams interested in acquiring B.J. Upton.
* Executive VP Andrew Friedman on his team’s offseason targets: “We have a list of guys on other teams we have an interest in, and a list of free agents as well. And depending on how the market evolves on both fronts, it will go a long way toward shaping our thought process…. We feel like there are a lot of talented names out there.”
* Smith notes that the Rays have a history of signing relievers who are coming off injuries or down years. He mentions Kevin Gregg and J.J. Putz as a couple of possibilities in that realm.
* The club could be open to bringing back Gregg Zaun and giving last season’s catching platoon of Zaun and Dioner Navarro another try.
No Gregg please and let’s sign CC!
1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Wade Davis Coming Soon: Jeremy Hellickson
by joeybw on Nov 22, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Link to the actual source please.
Not to MLBTR.
If it’s from Rosenthal, link to him. Same with Heyman or whomever else.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 22, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Smith
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball/rays/tampa-bay-rays-plan-to-be-aggressive-in-addressing-bullpen-catcher/1053598
1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Wade Davis Coming Soon: Jeremy Hellickson
by joeybw on Nov 22, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The White Sox and Braves seem like the most interesting fits for a Crawford trade
Sox could center a deal around Flowers and maybe Viciendo, and Braves could offer Freeman in a trade. Mets dont seem like they have anything we want and im not even sure if the Indians would be interested, although I really like Santana.
by BossmanJunior333 on Nov 22, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here are some potential teams and centerpieces
White Sox: Flowers C and Viciendo 1B/3B
Braves: Freeman 1B and Kimbrel RP
Mets: Davis 1B and Thole C
Indians: Santana C
Rangers: Smoak 1B and Teagarden C
Mariners: Morrow RP and Moore C
by BossmanJunior333 on Nov 23, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indians need to give more
Sucks we cant get Heyward from the Braves
1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Wade Davis Coming Soon: Jeremy Hellickson
by joeybw on Nov 23, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like the Indians have two good young catchers
So I could see them dealing one of Marson or Santana. Obviously Marson is the superior defender and came caller but the offensive potential of Santana makes me very excited. However, do the Indians even have any interest in Crawford and would they have the money to sign him?
by BossmanJunior333 on Nov 23, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
AJ Pier is in the last year of a contract, just as Tyler Flowers is set to burst on the scene.
I think Kenny would have to get a lobotomy to trade Flowers. Kid has raked everywhere and doesn’t seem like a liability behind the dish.
I'm not really a NUMBERS guy!!
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 23, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Flowers just might be wishful thinking
However KW always seems to go with veterans over youth. Getting Flowers would be awesome though. To be honest, getting any one of Santana, Flowers, Freeman or Smoak would be awesome.
by BossmanJunior333 on Nov 23, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I almost wish
That Friedman just contacted all of the teams with baller young catchers and said whoever offers us a package that starts with that player, we can talk, otherwise dont bother. Find out who would actually be willing to give us one of those catchers, make it known whos in the game, and let them fight it out. Im talking about someone who tops this list http://www.scoutingbook.com/prospects/c
by BossmanJunior333 on Nov 23, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else think if Crawford traded, its going to be sooner than later
Considering how many holes a Crawford trade could fill, it seems like if they are going to trade him, they would want to do that first so they know what areas still need to be addressed. For example, if they could get a good young catcher in such a deal, then it wouldnt make sense to pull the trigger on any other deals for a catcher (Doumit, Towles, etc). I just think Friedman needs to make up his mind and determine what path we are taking with Crawford. If history has taught us anything, such as with the Delmon Young trade which happened the 29th of November two years ago, Friedman doesnt like to wait around.
by BossmanJunior333 on Nov 23, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I can see Upton traded for a young awesome C and perhaps a 1B prospect that smashes
Jennings called up early in season, CC signed for 4 year, option 5th year
1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Wade Davis Coming Soon: Jeremy Hellickson
by joeybw on Nov 23, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does any team have those prospects just laying around?
The last time we brought up a great CF’er too early they named a disease after him, I’d probably hang on to Beej.
I'm not really a NUMBERS guy!!
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 23, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man I wish Jesus Montero wasnt a Yankee
beast 19 year old C who will be in AAA at some point next season and his D is underrated
1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Wade Davis Coming Soon: Jeremy Hellickson
by joeybw on Nov 23, 2009 7:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
http://www.scoutingbook.com/prospects/c
I’ll repost this down here. Interesting read on top catching prospects going into 2009 season
by BossmanJunior333 on Nov 24, 2009 12:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
White Sox officially ink Omar Vizquel
Scott Merkin
1/1.375 isn’t bad for a guy that can play solidly anywhere in the IF. Something kind of funny that I heard at some point last year was that there were only 4 guys in the majors that started their careers in the 80’s. The list includes Vizquel, Sheffield, Griffey Jr. and Randall Johnson. Pretty crazy that Omar, might be of the most use to a team at this point. Anyways, R.J. had a great write-up on him over at FG if you want to know more:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/omar-vizquel-to-the-south-side
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 24, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Curiousity
If Crawford is traded for a catcher/1B prospect- Player? How does that affect the development of Luke Bailey, Nevin Ashley, Cody Cipriano, Jeff Malm? Hmm
Why do you kill threads????
by Some other guy who does not care on Nov 24, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
Only because every organization needs more than just one or even two good prospects at every position and even then, very few of those good minor leaguers and former decent prospects will ever make it to the show, let alone actually contribute anything positive. You cant just count on a few guys and think your set. None of those guys you mentioned are sure things by any means or even close to the majors. Malm and Bailey, while they have good potential, havent even played a full season in the minors yet and Ashley and Cipriano are fringe prospects right now.
Further, the two areas that keep getting mentioned (catcher and first base) are of immediate concern as our major league options at catcher are hopeless at best and Pena will be a free agent in a year, with no successor in sight. Lastly, corner infield and catcher are our two weakest organizational positions, so adding to that depth will only help.
by BossmanJunior333 on Nov 24, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't know where to post this but I guess this works
Turns out Evan Longoria WILL be on the front of MLB 2k10. You can check it out here and vote for your fav one
1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Wade Davis Coming Soon: Jeremy Hellickson
by joeybw on Nov 24, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Alex Gonzalez and John McDonald signings indicate Scutaro will be moving on.
Ken Rosenthal In 2009, the Jays had one of the best SS positions of all the teams in the AL as I saw only the Yanks and Rays playing better at the position. These moves seem to show that Toronto is really hamstrung by the Vernon Wells contract and will not be able to make a key pickup until they are out from under it. With all the O’s talent coming up 5th place could be the Jays for their taking. A-Gon has put up a non-park-adjusted wOBA of 0.294 over the last 3-years (note he did not play in 2008) using a 2/3/5 scale (0.296/0.338/0.266). Using that same scale for his UZR over the last 3 seasons you would get a value of 2.3. He is a below-average hitter for his position, but does have some value with the glove. He seems like a slight upgrade over McDonald for $2.5M. McDonald can go back to being a super-utility glove, while being a drain at the plate. Coupled with rumors of Overbay on the block, that Jays infield is not going to be a pretty sight, even if Aaron Hill plays at the level he did in 2008.
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 27, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Andruw Jones signs with Chicago White Sox
Bruce Levine
CHONE has him slashing at 0.226/0.322/0.414 over 394 AB’s. The article states that the Sox are not looking to use him everyday, but as a guy off the bench. In limited COF duty last year he showed a positive UZR, but that’s such a small sample that I don’t put much stock in it. It’s a 1/.5M deal, so it would be pretty hard for it not to be a good signing.
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 27, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
DeWayne Wise signs with Phillies
Matt Eddy
Wise, you may remember, saved Buehrle’s perfect game by snagging a sure homer. He will always be able to tell that story to his grand kids, which is good considering he won’t have to tell them what a poor hitter he is. CHONE projects a slash-line of 0.256/0.306/0.416. They may have an eye on using him as Ibanez’s personal caddy in LF, where he has a 6.5 UZR over 471 innings over his career. Ibanez was off to a great start in 2009, and could get the Burrell treatment that Charlie Manuel used in the past, in order to keep his legs fresh. This is a pretty good signing, IMO, though follows the trend we have seen thus far of teams making low-impact signings to fill holes.
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 27, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
is CC actually discussing a contract extension now or will the FO wait until mid-season or later?
so many mixed rumors floating around. I would love him to finish his career with the rays but the possibilities of that are <1%
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
by raysfan81 on Nov 27, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he wants to discuss a deal during the offseason
if one isnt signed, he will test free agency
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
by joeybw on Nov 27, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So according to rotoworld, McGee can be in our pen next season
That has real potential to bring in a basically free, very talented arm.
Of course, it would mean 3 lefties again with McGee, Howell and Choate/Swindle
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
by joeybw on Nov 28, 2009 8:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
An outsiders assessment of the Rays in 09 and moving forward
Tyler Hissey has a pretty nice write-up in part one. I can’t disagree with anything that he states. Keep an eye out for part 2 as he plans to look at hurlers and prospects.
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 30, 2009 9:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I find this rather amusing- not funny
Dump those rediculous stats and talk baseball talk about players
not all this after the fact jibberish as used witj
the Tampa Bay overview…ops, war, etc, you’ll
probably have a numerical formula for Etc now,
its embarrasing to read that useless numbers
stuff….how could you not have Bartlett
projected to what he did in 09′ ? The numbers,
thats why
Why do you kill threads????
by Some other guy who does not care on Nov 30, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hysterical
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 30, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's another one looking at The Bartlett Situation
Tyler Hissey, again, takes an interesting look at Jason Bartlett. It’s a great article for those that are less centered in the Rays-verse as most of this stuff we have been talking about for some time. IMO his source listed in the last paragraph is impeccable.
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 30, 2009 10:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Aww
Dealing him if the return makes it worthwhile—Sandy Kazmir had a fine post about what Bartlett could command back in August at DRaysBay—will free up payroll and allow the club to potentially improve in other areas. With contention within grasp, moving him will be difficult, but, by holding onto him, Tampa Bay runs the risk of having his value fall off and eliminating any hope of cashing him in for a nice package of cheap, team-controlled players who could help out elsewhere.
Who is this Sandy Kazmir guy?
Why do you kill threads????
by Some other guy who does not care on Nov 30, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Comments re-opened.
Forgot about the 10 day rule.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 30, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Octavio Dotel a Type A free agent......
wasnt offered arbitration. Theres a solid bullpen arm that will cost money but no picks
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
by joeybw on Dec 1, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Still going to be looking for more money than we are offering though
I still really hope Friedman finds a way of adding two late inning relievers on incentive laden deals, two of Escobar, Callero, Putz, Donnelly, Benoit, etc would be awesome imo. Especially someone like Escobar, Benoit, and Putz who have closing experience and can hold down the closing position if healthy allowing Howell to move back into the bullpen ace role.
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 3, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Calero and Putz to go
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
by joeybw on Dec 3, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Cubs just dumped 3 million, trading Miles to the A's
Maybe that will get a Bradley deal closer.
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
by joeybw on Dec 3, 2009 6:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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