Tampa Bay Rays Acquire Catcher Kelly Shoppach for PTBNL
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 2:36 PM EST
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PrintWe've confirmed the deal is done with a 40-man move forthcoming.
Shoppach is 29-years-old, he'll turn 30 early next season, and former top prospect with the Boston Red Sox. Throughout his Major League career - mostly with Cleveland - he's racked up 1,043 plate appearances with a.241/.327/.449 line and .338 wOBA -- a catcher hitting above league average is pretty impressive. Most of those plate appearances have come in the last two seasons, where he's hit .241/.342/.465 with 33 homers. He knows how to take a walk and he knows how to hit for some power. Throughout his career he's tormented left-handed pitching, batting for a .999 OPS in a small sample size of 258 plate appearances.
He's a hitter, first and foremost, with a career caught stealing rate around 27% and roughly 0.26 passed balls/wild pitches per game. For comparison, Dioner Navarro has a 30% thievery-catching rate and averages 0.29 PB+WP/G. There's more to catching than simply throwing and blocking, but Shoppach appears to have the edge in blocking and beats Navarro in the whole "hitting the ball" aspect. Driveline Mechanics had him in the lower-half of defensive catchers.
Shoppach is arbitration eligible and made $1.95M last season. He'll probably receive a raise, and he is eligible to become a free agent following the 2011 season.
Welcome to the team Kelly, do us proud.
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what would u give up for him?
im hopeing Wheeler lol
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Awesome
If he even comes close to 2008 Shoppach, sick addition. I would guess they non tender Navi now and go with Riggans or Jaso as backup
He was a non tender candidate so I doubt we gave up much
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 1, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i never even thought about Shoppach when i was thinking about catchers we could acquire
but glad Friedman did
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Actual tweet sounds like a rumor
mlbtr make it sounds like it’s almost done, which is it, Tommy get on the phone?
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 1, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions
who did we give up rj?
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love this deal!
now Non-tender Navi?
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I guess that means it's for someone who's not on the 40-man roster
Or they just want to look at options. Right now, the only reasons to do a PBTNL is because either (a) there’s been recent turnover in your scouting department and you need to have the new people look over intel on the candidates, or (b) it’s for someone who’s eligible in Rule 5 and you want to wait until they clear before making the trade.
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Definitely a done deal. Confirmed wiht our sources
PTBNL, Corresponding 40 man move. No idea what they do with Navi.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 1, 2009 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 1, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
hopefully the 40man move is Bennent
i would keep Navi if he is willing to take a pay cut
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Bennet, Elliot Johnson or Jose Lobation
we got some real bums we can get rid of
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
Keep Loba
Helliot is not necessary any longer. I would not cry about Bennett either.
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Shoppach has shown he can do very well
He is cheap and would cost A LOT less then say a Doumit would
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
Although Bill James has him projected to about a .340 wOBA.
That would be an upgrade.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 1, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
We've got more hack-and-slashers than an army of Orcs now
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His ISO is going to be an improvement over Zaun and Navvy too.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 1, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I was referring more to the >35% K-rate
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. That's almost Carlos Pena territory.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 1, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I continue to contend that that's not 'Pena territory' but 'Windmill territory'.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Cerrano Curveball territory.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 1, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I know with a nasty O-Swing too
But somehow he manages to walk around 10% past two seasons.
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Gives me the impression he's doing the Sean Rod method of game theory
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
A traditionally high BABIP guy at catcher may always fall victim to leg injuries.
But his D is above average so I’ll take it.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
Shoppach vs Navi 3 year splits:
Shoppach v. Left – .297/.392/.621
Navi v. Left – .257/.300/.430
Shoppach v. Right – .229/.319/.420
Navi v. Right – .245/.301/.337
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Oh well done sir
I smell a nasty platoon about to take hold.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed, but I don't see how Navi is the other half of it; he's better on both sides of the plate.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
You're right, my bad
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
If they can find someone who can just get a good OBP against righties I'd be thrilled, power be damned.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Lobaton is a switchie who fares better vs RHP
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zaun?
if he is relatively cheap. Good solid veteran.
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
Shoppah is good enough to catch 2/3 of the games
For the other 1-3 to 1/4, we could do younger and cheaper. It seems Zaunnie earned himself a minor bidding war.
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i think mike redmond usually hit lefties pretty good
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You mean righties.
If Shoppach hit righties the way he does lefties, a Shoppach/Zaun platoon would be nifty.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 1, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
indians blog
We know the drill by now: Let’s start making wild guesses about the prospect, then get into a fight with D-Rays Bay because we’re way off.
lol
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The bar has been set, bring it on.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
You can't be from the Indians board, you used a header
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure how familiar you are with our farm system, but gimme 3 guys
one reach, one settle, and what you actually think you’ll get
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not
Reach, anyone between #15 and #20 on your prospect list.
Settle, McGee. It’s funny there’s an article on him right under this one. I liked him before the surgery and all the leapfrogging that other pitchers did. Or is he still pretty high on the list?
I have no idea what we’ll actually get.
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Considering
Shoppach was going to be a likely non-tender, I don’t think many intelligent Tribe fans are expecting much in return.
With the Tribe rebuilding, his salary was a little too much. This clears the decks for Santana eventually.
You’re gonna a guy with great power, good on-base skills (although, it will be interesting to see if he continues getting HBP like he did last year), and a ton of K’s.
His big knock for me was defensively. He came up with a rep as a good catch and throw guy, but has seemed out of whack for 2 years.
Seemed really lazy on balls in the dirt as well.
Good pickup for your team with catching issues, probably a decent dump for the Tribe, albeit coming a year too late.
by FallsTribeFan on Dec 1, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I will laugh my ass off if it's Winston Abreu
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
We played that game
Most inexplicable deal of the season, the point where I really thought Shapiro lost his mind.
Then everyone cut Meloan.
by FallsTribeFan on Dec 1, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like 2k sports will have to photoshop Longo's uni.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
That LOL isn't mine.
I just want to be absolutely clear.
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by nickjs21 on Dec 1, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lets hope he goes back to his 2008 numbers, that would be amazing
werent we trying to get him from the red sox in like 2004 for Huff?
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It was some 3 way deal where we were also getting Hanley and Milledge
who knows
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
ya i remember that proposed deal
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The man has no clue about how to wear a hat
Look how crooked and weird it looks on his head.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
hell who cares if he can wear a hat as long as he can hit!
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
And we will save on electricity at the Trop with Shoppach
no need for A/C when he’s at the plate
My zinger was better than this.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Nice find, and good call on the random blind dumb-luck bit by Sternfan.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
nice line
Better than one stat.
He’s getting better….I think?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Oh shit son, this was the same thread with the debut of Reich Racoon. Ah, good times.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Calero is expected to not be offered arb, he was only type B anyway
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if we sign him, this offseason is already awesome
and I am sure we would still make more tweaks.
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
ya that would be a great offseason
only thing that they have to do is tweak the pen, decide what to do about SS (trade bartlett or Brignac, or just keep Bartlett and put Brignac on the bench/minors) and the CC situation(sign him,trade him, or just let him play this year without an extension)
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Navi hit into DPs at an 18% clip of each of last two years, Shoppach 9 and 12%
Ah, the value of strikeouts
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 1, 2009 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm guessing Shelton had some input in this deal
Shoppach has big time power, and i think he got a raw deal in CLE last year after they acquired Marson
i think he is capable of 30 HR
he sure is alot better than Varitek
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Seriously, what happened here?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't really get a raw deal
Just saw playing time decrease on an already crappy season. Although there was an incident when Shoppach had some less-than-rosy words about the front office after the Lee and Martinez trades IIRC, and Wedge really wasn’t looking for ABs for him after.
Shoppach’s got a lot of power and he was about to get a little expensive. The Indians have a bunch of backup-quality catchers in front of Santana.
Steel Nick
Any thoughts on the idea that he could be a ST replacement for Pena after this season?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:42 PM EST reply actions
short term not spring training
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
very good point
i think it is a possibility
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I'm looking for feedback, gimme specifics
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm straining my memory
But I don’t think he’s ever played first.
Not that it’s shortstop or anything.
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Yeah I thought I read that he was switching off with Garko, but B-Ref doesn't have him getting any AB's there
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
They don't have him getting any AB's as a first sacker though and FG doesn't have him fielding anything
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
You guys care to throw in Grady?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
OR JUST THE REST OF THE CELLPHONE PICS!
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Is that his little league photo?
I’ve seen Little Leaguers that can grow more fuzz that Grady.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
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http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/shopping-for-shoppach/
Shoppach was squeezed for playing time this season. Before some late season trades he was vying for playing time with Victor Martinez as the regular catcher and Ryan Garko at first base. Travis Hafner gobbled up DH time when his shoulder cooperated with him. Prior to the trades Shoppach would typically see playing time when Martinez played first base, Shoppach caught, and Garko hit the pine or saw time at designated hitter. Shoppach didn’t receive an ample opportunity to produce at the rate he did in 2008 until the trades of Garko and Martinez.
I misread this as he was double platooning at catcher and 1B with V-Mart and Garko.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
didnt he play first sometimes when Martinez would catch?
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What are the odds that Zaun is the lefty side of this platoon?
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Slim
He seems to have many suitors and I wouldn’t like to see him as the 3/5ths side of that platoon
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
You'd rather have Navi?
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No I was slapped down properly on that
Shop is better from both sides it would appear. I’d be fine with figuring out which one of Jaso, Lobaton, Riggans, scrapyard wants to show up in the best shape come Spring Training.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus, that's a murderer's row of awful.
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Scrapyard should have some bargains in it
I wouldn’t mind Navi, it’s not like he’ll get a big raise in arby, but he would have to be cool with only getting in 60ish games.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
If he regresses to a blend of the last two years?
Im coo. But hes probably just going to keep eating small children so I doubt that happens.
by BJ the Bossman on Dec 1, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Quick scouting report from Tribe fan:
-Crushes lefties
-Strikes out a TON
-Great power for a catcher
-Currently best in the league at getting hit by a pitch (yes it can be a skill)
-Defense took a step back last year with some problems on pitches that I felt he should have been able to get in front of. Also more errant throws to 2nd than we had been used to, seems like something that could have been a fluke
-Great teammate
well his K's fit in well with this team
overall, this is a very exciting pickup
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
I would temper enthusiasm a bit, but it may be because I am used to having catchers that can hit. I think Shoppach benefits from consistent playing time, so if he can get that with the Rays, he should be an upgrade to your catching situation last year.
A pile of rags on a stool would be an upgrade over last year.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
OT: Dodgers arent going to offer Hudson arb....
Any shot the Rays go after him to play 2nd, and have Zobrist move out to RF?
Or PuffRod
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by 4QB on Dec 1, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Also, sounds like Phillies may not offer arb to Park...
Would love to go after him if the price is right.
So Michel is gone, Now Kelly- Any other people with girly names out there?
Let’s start with a new meme for Kelly
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R Kelly = man who likes to pee and poop on 14 year old girls after hitting it
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I want to see what the lowest of the low
think about dis- hang on
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by 4QB on Dec 1, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
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