Additional Analysis on Kelly Shoppach
Now for a bit more analysis and a little less overview; although feel free to review the initial post if need be. At this point the PTBNL is obviously unknown (we'll know before the night of December 20th), so the focus is solely on Kelly Shoppach.
As previously mentioned, he is 30-years-old, right-handed, and has a history of walking, hitting for pop, and (small sample size warning) squashing lefties. Cleveland has a cabinet full of able backstops and Shoppach's price was only increasing (he's arbitration eligible for the second year and made $1.9M last season).We also know he's an average to slightly below average defensive catcher based on the things we can measure - i.e. blocking balls and throwing out baserunners. Let's put this all together.
Over the last three years, Shoppach has hit .245/.336/.467. An .803 OPS which would've put him in a pack with guys like Brian Roberts, Magglio Ordonez, and Nick Markakis last season. One thing: those guys aren't catchers. Minus Roberts, the other two are paid in large part because they can hit the ball. Shoppach has issues with contact and he's going to swing and miss quite a bit. Those people who hate Carlos Pena, B.J. Upton, and Pat Burrell because they went down on strikes a lot? Yeah, they're going to detest Shoppach's being on a nightly basis.
CHONE projects Shoppach to hit .229/.322/.422. The average American League catcher hit .254/.321/.396 and that's with Joe Mauer's incredible season taken into account. That projection puts Shoppach essentially equal to his 2009 performance. Which is fine. But he had a .286 BABIP in 2009, and his career BABIP is still at .334. There's a chance that shoots up some, just don't count on it. Interestingly Shoppach has an affinity for being plunked with pitches.
Onto his issues with righties and delights on lefties. With platoon splits you have to regress heavily, as MGL pointed out recently. That OPS versus left-handers looks awfully nice, and I'm not saying he won't hit well against them or poorly against righties, it's just not a given that such a figure is his true talent level and the answer is probably somewhere in the middle.
Taking everything into account, Shoppach projects to be something like a 1.5 < x < 2 WAR player next season depending on playing time. He's going to walk, strike out, and hit some dingers while catching modestly. The front office can't put their feet up and call it an off-season after this one, but it's a nice enough start if the PTBNL is nothing of relevance.
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any speculations on the PTBNL?
could Navarro not be offered arb now
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
by raysfan81 on Dec 1, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it. They have their catcher in Carlos Santana
Maybe they want Gabe Gross.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 1, 2009 4:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
They've got quite a few outfielders already.
An arm makes more sense.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland has a super computer database
Super computer databases love Gabe Gross. But more than likely an arm with upside. Shoppach was a non tender candidate, so the Rays probably didn’t want him hitting open market.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 1, 2009 4:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
They have Crowe, Brantley, Sizemore, Choo, and LaPorta off the top of my head.
That’s pretty good depth.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just throwing a name out, but what about Willy Aybar?
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Too much. Again, Shoppach had non tender written all over him.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 1, 2009 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just trying to picture where Aybar fits in our plans if Sean Rod gives us a similar player with more versatility
I agree that it would be too much, but when is it going to be Willy Time!?
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been jokingly saying that Aybar should learn to catch.
Imagine a Shoppach/Aybar platoon…hmm
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 1, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When Zobrist/Pena/Longoria/B-named DH get hurt?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With the Lord on his side I don't think Zobie has ever even gotten a hangnail
The other two…
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be one of Bradleys roles
-Hit well
-Stay out of trouble
-Get hurt for our awesome bench’s sake
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
by joeybw on Dec 1, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He missed the first half of 2008 with an injury.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lies
He was performing missionary work and couldn’t get paid vaca without an injury.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aybar is the only legit option behind Pena at 1B
Of course he could be replaced, but for ~1 million dollars Aybars bat + his ability to fill in at the corners makes him very valuable to this team
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 1, 2009 5:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The contract is nifty.
Can’t wait til he backs up the glass case of Sweeney. Knock on wood.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aybar has a nice deal.
Matt Sweeney is made of glass.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't assume that someone is a future MLB 1B based on success in the Cali League
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Dec 2, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, that came off sounding pedantic
But i think you know what I mean. There are a lot of guys who can’t hit a lick past that league, and it’s not like he even hit that spectacularly there.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Dec 2, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least Reid has focused on his glove since raking out west.
The numbers have approached baseline, but he has made gigantic strides in the field. I’m really excited to see what Reid can do after being bearish on him for years.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 2, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well besides Zobrist, Sean Rod, Burrell/Bradley, Joyce, whomever it's 1B and Willy isn't exactly Travis Lee
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 1, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Aybar is nearly as poor of a defender as he showed last year.
Hopefully he comes to camp in good shape.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We "have" Crowe
in the sense that he’s on the team, yes.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Dec 1, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He looks decent at a glance.
I’m under the impression you aren’t expecting to compete next season, so he’ll probably get a few hundred plate appearances, no?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Off the top of my head
He’s the fourth outfielder with LaPorta spending most of the time at 1st. Hard to judge what Acta will do, but Wedge probably would have found 450 ABs for him.
He sucks. Or he will suck. Whichever.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Dec 1, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, he was supposed to be a defense/speed guy, but he wasn’t even particularly effective at that last season.
by Roger Dorn on Dec 1, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Talbot is a logical guess
They have a very questionable rotation, especially if Westbrook isn’t ready
by sternfan1 on Dec 1, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve seen his name pop up a few times around random sites, nothing to make someone thinks his name is on the Indians wish list, but I’d be intrigued given the Indians concern is starting pitching depth.
Although I’d imagine the Indians are getting a guy who’s not going to be a rule 5 problem for a while.
by GoTribe028 on Dec 1, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it.....
Everyone seems to like this deal, however i just don’t see how this guy is worth $2M. AKA the 5th highest paid player on the team.
Mound Visit
by Mound Visit on Dec 1, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Say he's a 1.5 WAR player.
That’s worth about 7 million. He’s in arb2, so you expect him to make about 60% of his market value which is around 4 mil. If he makes $2-2.5M next year and produces like he has, he’ll be worth it.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he's the fifth highest paid player on the team come spring anyways.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who cares, anyways? it’s testament to how cheap your quality players are signed for.
by westbrook on Dec 1, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno. Odd things happen on payrolls consisted largely of cost-controlled players.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sure if
odd things = no postseason guarantee
I guess CC Sabathia wouldn’t be interested in going to Tampa.
by westbrook on Dec 1, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets and Cubs would enjoy playoff guarantees.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just interpreting this differently than you apparently meant it. But still, those teams spent about 60% of what my example did.
by westbrook on Dec 1, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Schneider got 1.5 to be Carlos Ruiz's backup
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 1, 2009 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron weighs in:
Catchers who can hit at a league average rate are pretty valuable. Given his overall production, Shoppach projects as something like a +2 win catcher if given regular playing time. He’s likely to be worth $7 to $9 million next year, and due to his poor 2009 season, he won’t get anything close to that in arbitration. The Rays picked up a nice player at something of a discount, as they have been known to do.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/shoppach-to-the-rays
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 5:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As for another DRB target
It’s official now, no arby for Calero
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
by joeybw on Dec 1, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Or Hawkins (Type A)
though he would probably cost us half of our off season budget.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 1, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hawkins and Dotel are both interesting
Type A’s not offered arby, if we can get one of them on 1 year deal(perhaps with a 2nd year option), it would be a great addition
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
by joeybw on Dec 1, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll pass on Hawkins.
He is the definition of an NL pitcher. He has been downright awful in the AL. I’d like for the Rays to take a chance on Putz, assuming the Rays’ FO is able to get him to sign an incentive-laden deal.
Eduardo Morlan = God.
by Devilray187 on Dec 1, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Talbot makes sense. Are there any Rule 5 guys the Rays have left exposed that the Tribe might be interested in if they aren’t drafted? Would kind of explain the Dec. 20 deadline although if there was someone the Indians wanted they’d just draft him, right? Unless they didn’t want to have to keep him on the 25 man all year. Pardon my rambling.
by MickS on Dec 1, 2009 7:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So the Indians select Aneury in the Rule 5 draft and the Rays relinquish their claim to him thus completing the Shoppach trade and allowing the Indians to send him down to the minors. Is that possible?
by MickS on Dec 1, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not out of options, just has to be on the 40-man.
He can be sent down, I’m guessing the Indians just want to pick between a few players at this point.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He can’t be sent down if he’s a Rule 5 pick. He’d have to stay on the Tribe’s 25 man roster…unless he’s used to complete the Shoppach trade.
by MickS on Dec 1, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and I bid you a good day, Jeff Bennett
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
by joeybw on Dec 1, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wait wtf
we offered arby to Zaun which is fine with me but we also offered it to Shouse. Please dont accept, Brian!
Give me a CC long term deal, please!
by joeybw on Dec 1, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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