Tampa Bay Rays Deal Jesse Chavez for Rafael Soriano
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2009 1:01 AM EST
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After a full day of speculation, we finally reach resolution. Jon Paul Morosi is reporting the Rays will trade Jesse Chavez for Rafael Soriano. In effect, the Rays will deal the ghost of Akinori Iwamura for Rafael Soriano, barring anything else being added to the deal.
As for Chavez, well, we barely knew ‘ya Jesse. Take care in Atlanta. He's a decent get for Atlanta considering they held little leverage in this situation. Almost the opposite of the original deal that landed Chavez with the Rays.
Now, for Soriano.
Let's start from the top.
Soriano will turn 30-years-old on December 19th. He signed with the Seattle Mariners as an amateur free agent in 1996 and made his Major League debut on May 10th, 2002. On December 7th, 2006, he was traded to the Atlanta Braves for Horacio Ramirez. For his career, he's pitched 332.2 innings, struck out 365, and walked 104. All told, he has a career FIP of 3.31 and xFIP of 3.65. Soriano was eligible for free agency this season, however he decided to accept arbitration rather than testing the market, and gave the Braves permission to trade him immediately afterwards.
He throws your garden variety power closer pitches. A 92-94 MPH fastball that reaches 96, a slider that sits in the low-80s, and -- in the rarest of instances - a low-80s change-up. His fastball produced a 12.1% whiff rate last season while his slider sat at 16.4%. For comparison, J.P. Howell's curve generated 19.5% empty swings, which is to say Soriano's stuff is filthy. Soriano is a career fly ball pitcher, which isn't desirable, but when you pack the heat he does, pitching up in the zone without getting slammed is an acceptable way of life.
Soriano isn't without his questions either. He has missed most of three seasons since 2004, including 2008 most recently with a mixture of injuries - some shoulder soreness, a groin strain, and a side strain. He's also dealt with a concussion, oblique strains, and Tommy John surgery. The exact costs in which he'll require are unknown as well. Yes, there's a strong chance he will repeat as a Type-A free agent next off-season, but as the Braves found out this year, that isn't always a guarantee; especially with non-elite free agent relievers.
So how good is he?
Over his last three healthy seasons (2009-6, minus 2008) he's posted FIP of 2.54, 4.17, and 3.43. Obviously a repeat of 2009 would be fantastic, but also unlikely. Of those, 3.43 is almost exactly in the middle and probably what most people will go off. If you apply the 5-3-2 weighing to his last three healthy seasons FIP you get an average of 3.2. Add in another 2 for league average adjustment - note: this is seriously just a league average reliever, so this projection is actually a bit more conservative than it could be - and you get 3.39 - or basically J.P. Howell's 2008, which is great.
League adjustment is going to be something I feel we'll discuss a lot. Scouts think he has the stuff to succeed in baseball's toughest division - and I would agree - and based on his previous AL seasons in the bullpen it would seem like he can step right in and post a sub-4 FIP, but those seasons were a long time ago and while they aren't 100% irrelevant, they shouldn't be weighed nowhere near as much as the most recent seasons. Below is a list of 2009 relievers who came from the National League and how they fared in at least 40 innings worth. This is FIP and xFIP so as to neutralize whether it was luck or worse pitching:
| Pitcher | 2008 xFIP | 2008 FIP | 2009 xFIP | 2009 FIP | xFIP Net | FIP Net |
| Wuertz | 4.35 | 4.3 | 2.61 | 2.37 | -1.74 | -1.93 |
| Springer | 4.32 | 3.51 | 4.62 | 4.06 | 0.3 | 0.55 |
| Lyon | 4.1 | 3.84 | 4.24 | 4.06 | 0.14 | 0.22 |
| Wood | 3.07 | 2.32 | 4.11 | 4.15 | 1.04 | 1.83 |
| Saito | 2.98 | 2 | 4.86 | 4.25 | 1.88 | 2.25 |
| Fuentes | 3.05 | 2.24 | 4.94 | 4.42 | 1.89 | 2.18 |
| Cruz | 4 | 3.62 | 5.52 | 4.92 | 1.52 | 1.3 |
| Nelson | 3.58 | 3.45 | 5.36 | 5.65 | 1.78 | 2.2 |
That's a small sample size, but the average shift in FIP is about 1. Soriano is a better pitcher than quite a few of those on the list, so let's say he only feels a little bit of the change and posts a FIP around 3.7. That would be Howell's 2009 season all over again, which is good. If Soriano pitched like that on last year's club, he would've given the Rays three relief pitchers under 3.8 FIP. The Yankees had four; the Red Sox two; and the Blue Jays three.
How's this for coincidence. The Rays have Howell, who's entry we've taken to calling chill time. Well, as best as I can find, Soriano enters to a song called Fuego - Spanish for fire.
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So our bullpen would have
Fire & Ice back ending it?
cool hard thrower for thrower
but my question is where does this leave the money situation?
Then again I never said I was a genius.....
Maybe something else is coming down the pipes
Or that’s the end of the moves for the offseason.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Those are the two possibilities, yes
:P
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by Imperialism32 on Dec 10, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
from the sounds of it....
the braves fans are pissed about the return on soriano….
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/rafael-soriano-gives-trade-clearance/comments/page/3/#comments
page 3
Jesse Chavez?! That’s the best you could do Wren?! That doesn’t even fill a need!
Seriously? Jesse Chavez? That’s it? Are the Rays paying all of Soriano’s plus part of Chipper’s too?
I coulda swore Wren said we needed another BAT!!!!!
I'm pretty sure this is how the deal went down...
Rays get Soriano
Braves get Chavez and Frank Wren gets free advice from Friedman for the entire 2010 season.
:)
People who post on MLB Trade Rumors are by and large rambling idiots.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Looks like RJ was closer to the actual value than the Braves fan
big surprise there.
Also, ESPN is reporting Mike Lowell for Max Ramirez.
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How is that possible? I thought Texas couldn't take on any salary.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
Max Ramirez is a legitimate player.
I would imagine Boston is paying for almost all of his contract. Typically that’s how these deals work. If you want us to pay for your unwanted player, we’ll give you Jesse Chavez. If you pay us to take him, we’ll give you a better prospect.
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So our pitching
SPs Shields Garza Price Niemann Davis
RPs Soriano Howell Wheeler Balfour Choate Sonnanstine Cormier
I’ll go to battle with that.
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Where's the Sonny-Davis debate?
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
It got knocked into the gap for another double
The odd-man out now is Mitch Talbot. I guess he’ll be the guy who makes it if someone gets hurt in ST, otherwise they’ll try to make a Hammel-like deal.
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by Imperialism32 on Dec 10, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds about right
I know some here like him quite a bit, but IMO he’s never been good enough to justify trading away one of the guys currently in the pen (unless it’s for salary relief), and the fact that he had an off year with some injury issues last year just seals the deal.
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I liked him a lot as a future bullpen type
But his numbers were down and he was banged up, and unless he’s really sharp in the spring, I don’t know how he wins a roster spot.
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by Imperialism32 on Dec 10, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
And even if they did keep another pitcher
It would almost certainly be a second lefty(which isn’t exactly a bad idea IMO)
C Shoppach
1B Pena
2B Zobrist
SS Bartlett
3B Longoria
LF Crawford
CF Upton
RF Joyce
BN Backup C
BN Aybar
BN Brignac or S-Rod(there’s really no justifying both)
BN Kapler
That’s 12 hitters. Maybe there’s enough positional flexibility to go with 12 hitters and 13 pitchers.
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by Imperialism32 on Dec 10, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
Aaaaaand it's 1:41 in the morning
You’re right. Burrell/Bradley DH gives us 13 hitters and renders that post irrelevant.
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by Imperialism32 on Dec 10, 2009 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Does Brignac have an option left?
Can’t remember at the moment.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
And frankly
I’d rather have S-Rod than Aybar. There isn’t anything Aybar can do that S-Rod, Brignac or Zobrist can’t.
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Only thing left now
is PtB for Bradley – get it done, AF!
Oh
and moving Navi somewhere – that means YOU, Texas Rangers! Pick up the phone and make the call.
Great
First, Great work RJ!
Think this could be a sweet del. Aki was to expensive anyway, and when Soriano is healthy, it will be an upgrade over Chavez.
AF is doing good so far! Let’s see who we get from Texas for Navi.
Report has been updated
he deal is not official, perhaps because Tampa Bay will receive cash from Atlanta in the trade. It’s also possible that teams are working through other issues, including an exchange of medical information.
Wouldn’t be shocked if there’s a second player heading out from the Rays. While the salary is tough to swallow on our end, that shouldn’t matter on theirs, and Soriano for Chavez seems pretty lopsided.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Topkin says were paying all of salary
The deal appears set if the medical reports check out on Thursday, with the Rays paying all of Soriano’s salary – a commitment from ownership to making a run at the playoffs this season as the payroll could now approach $70-million – and Chavez heading to Atlanta.
We got our closer
Man, just one of the guys I wanted the Rays to take, his arbitration number is going to be a little high, but this man can be down right nasty.
I don’t understand why the rangers would be interested in Navvy, since they have Saltalammachia, and Teagarden. I see they just moved Ramirez, but why would you want these three catchers. oh please tell me we get Saltalammachia or Teagarden, that would be fantastic.
If the deal is for Chavez straight up
Then the Rays will have basically added Soriano and Shoppach for Aki and a PTBNL that is Ice Cold.
Was looking forward to seeing Chavez as a project, but Soriano is legit and was my favorite RP on the FA market. I assumed his Type-A status took the Rays out of that, but everything lined up. Hope everything checks out medically and we have a back end of Balfour/Howell/Soriano.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2009 7:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Is it too late to ship Wheeler in the deal too?
by ReasonableDoubt on Dec 10, 2009 7:10 AM EST reply actions
He's a gas can. Even granting your premise, $4m for "consistent" is insane.
by ReasonableDoubt on Dec 10, 2009 7:30 AM EST up reply actions
As long as the tying run isn't at the plate I'm fine with Wheels
He seems to do better starting off an inning, maybe Mad Dog should just do that.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Morning wood.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 10, 2009 7:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow, happy happy. Beautifully lopsided.
Hopefully the Red Sox don’t offset the joy by getting MR for washed up Lowell.
Not lopsided. They traded an expensive surplus piece.
They can’t afford to have a 7 million dollar set-up man. Such is life. They got a little value and salary relief.
Tools Whore
Right
The Braves get Chavez instead of the 2 #1’s had he declined arb. The Braves hand was forced by Soriano.
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Apparently Jesse Chavez is good enough to be worth trading for a good player who costs too damn much for you to do anything with.
Hopefully, Chavez will be pretty good once he makes the majors.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
"Beatifully lopsided" strictly on a talent basis
Soriano only became “surplus” because the Braves rolled the dice with $10 million on Saito and Wagner. Interesting to see how that pans out for them.
Even if they do, I don't see Ramirez having much impact for next year
They have Martinez and Varitek ahead of him. It’s a great deal for them once they clear the space for him
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2009 8:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A thought in that area, could they play Vic mostly at 1B with Max and Tek handling the catching?
Remember they still have Kotchman
This is a real door opener for Navi to the Rangers
No, Ramirez would get to stew in the pot for a while
Glad they wasted another year on Varitek, though.
As much as I love Soriano as our closer.
It’s going to be frustrating on the days when our BP gives up the lead in the 7th or 8th while Soriano sits there waiting to mop up the 7-8-9 hitters in the 9th inning.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 8:19 AM EST reply actions
Moving everyone else back an inning should limit that happening
Look at some of the set up men Mo had to wait on in NY before Joba and Hughes were called to the rescue
dont discount Calero addition
he’s inexpensive and the Rays could still add him.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 10, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Does this count as the power arm sf1/Raymondo wanted?
Signature space available for rent - Got to pay the bills somehow
Wheeler: rotund, globular, like the Earth
Howell: chill as an arctic Wind
Soriano: right arm spits hot Fire
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by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
THIS GUY RIGHT HERE, HE'S A HECKUVA COOK. I CALL HIM THE CULINARIST. HE LIVES TO COOK POTATOES AND SNEER AT ELVEN CORNBREAD.
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Getting. Frodo. To. Mount. Doom. THAT.... is what being a Hobbit in the WAR FOR MIDDLE EARTH is ALL ABOUT.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
THE BALROG. WOO, WHAT A MONSTER HE IS. 600 FEET TALL, 3 TONS OF INFERNAL CYANIDE. I CALL HIM THE BEAST WHO DWELLS, BECAUSE HE LIVES UNDER A MOUNTAIN.
WHEN YOU SEE THE BALROG GOING AFTER A PARTY OF MISMATCHED ADVENTURERS, ITS HARD NOT TO GET EXCITED. I’M FIRED UP JUST THINKING ABOUT IT.
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I'm excited for the day when Gruden says he's fired up just thinking about it and then the bird's eye view of his crotch confirms his analysis.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
YOU BE ON FIRE TODAY, DAWG.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
"birds eye view"
“A glance of Tirico’s hand”
Potato/potato
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Cubs getting desperate per Carrie Muskat's twitter
Shoppach, Bradley +$10mil?, Soriano for PTBNL, PtB, and Chavez, I love this team. I’d love to see AF and Jim Hendry today at the winter meetings, I wonder if AF will blink once as Hendry sweats?
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 8:55 AM EST reply actions
Soriano, Calero,Putz on minor league deal w/ invite.
Get er done.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:05 AM EST reply actions
Percy, maybe but Izzy has been hurt far more that Putz.
Which is why I said minor league deal.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Rule 5 draft beginning
countdown begins on our Aneury-less-ness
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 9:07 AM EST reply actions
Is this the end of the Crawford era in TB?
I hope not, but I have a hard time believing the FO thinks they can operate at $70 mill. I guess if they get MB+$10 they can borrow from next year when they’ll have a lot of money coming off. Also, seeing as how they spent less on last June’s draft and in the IFA market there may be some extra funds. We know they’ll borrow from Peter to pay Paul, so hopefully CC isn’t on the move.
See your Cats won last night.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I guess Wall stole the show.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
I hate the one-and-done players.
College b-ball was so much better back in the day when guys were around for 3-4 years.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
Now teams that are talented are good. Not the teams with the most whities that can jack 3s. Look at Duke’s decline for evidence.
To each is own I guess.
I just like actually knowing who’s on a team from year to year. It seems like there is damn near 100% turnover each season.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I follow college basketball recruiting.
I also didn’t start following college basketball until 1999, so I never really saw the product when stars stayed 4 years. I only saw where stars just skipped it completely (which I thought sucked).
It was a pretty good game, UCONN ran with them all first half, I fell asleep pretty early in the 2nd half
Good to see UCONN take a loss. Now for tonight, it should be an outstanding game between Cuse and the Gators.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
You know if that is a sellout by chace?
I’d assume not.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I've got no idea, it's in Tampa right?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yanks OFJamie Hoffman, Pirates OF John Raynor 1-2 in Rule 5 so far
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Orioles take LHP Ben Snyder from Giants at 3. Snyder was featured in my relief post
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Wish NFL Draft moved this quickly.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
The sleeping beauty of SABR land just woke up
and wrote this “That is so bizarre. Life is more than OPS and WHIP and VORP and Range Factor. There’s the human factor.”link about Dawson and the HOF. Sorry for the OT just thought it was funny.
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 9:11 AM EST reply actions
Last night on MLBN, Victor Rojas called the 3-way Grandy trade a good old fasioned baseball trade without WAR and VORP and all that stuff.
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This.
If they would just have one daily hour long show with SABER driven stats. Hell, even tie it into fantasy if they think that will help ratings.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
I mean they have 24 hours programming.
You’re telling me one hour long saber show wouldn’t do better than whatever the hell else they have? I’d DVR it.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Thing is, if they did this you know full well that they would add Harold Renolds to the show
to tell the SABER nerds who didn’t play the game why that VORP vodoo is wrong and RBI tell the whole story.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Every time a trade involves a prospect, Harold Reynolds admits to not knowing anything about the player.
He only pays attention to the All-Star game, I’m pretty sure.
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MLBN has let me down. I was expecting so much more. :(
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Not even close to the glory of the NFL Network.
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Wha...?
NFLN is awesome.
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That's neither here nor there. If you like the NFL, and generally I do, the channel does a great job promoting, covering, and analyzing the game.
Marshall Faulk is the best sports analyst on TV.
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OK that may be true.
His “who”/“whom” usage kills me. I hate people whom use “whom” incorrectly to try to sound proper or smart or educated.
His SDSU pedigree
should be enough to convince people already.
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
It's no Wake Forest
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
No one ever said he was
a genius
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't watched the NFLN enough to know if you're right or wrong.
But as far as the MLBN goes, what pisses me off more than anything is they NEVER EVER say anything bad about a team, trade, player etc. It’s always fluff.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
I guess that's true
if you’re the Diamondbacks
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one who doesn't get letting Beltre go and replacing him with Figgins?
Is that really an upgrade, or even a lateral move at a better price?
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, well, I don't give two shits about them, I don't want Beltre at Fenway.
ANGELS, PLEASE STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting they had good success last year in it
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
This guy was the groundball machine, right?
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
link to some info on him
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Arrrrrrrrrmando.
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5 years of rookie ball?
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No way this guy sticks around.
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i agree--why bother to select him?
It’s a wasted $25K—unless they feel it’s worth a shot the Sox won’t take him back
A sixer of cream soda. AF demanded IBC.
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WOOT!
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Is it over
or just the 1st round?
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
thanks
and phew…
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
You have no idea what the process was to decide he wasn't worth protecting.
Obviously the scouting reports weren’t all that positive about him being anywhere near ready to compete at the big league level otherwise he’d have been selected.
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Not protecting Anuery and then cutting Ramirez less than a week later tells me it's a bad process, much like leaving Josh Hamilton off the 40 for Damon Hollins (only to be cut before the actual draft) was not particularly smooth.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I tend to agree
Ramirez was cut to free up a rule five spot though, no? I suppose you could have cut RR, kept Aneury and steered clear of a Rule Five selection. However, then you start burning Aneurys options. It worked out for the best, but there was certainly risk.
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 10, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, while you fools were arguing about god knows what, I've been doing some real work, behold
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions
This is awful.
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What do you expect mang, I'm no Donatello or Michaelangelo
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly, what is that shit around his collar?
Looks like a toothpaste necklace.
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They call that the emerald necklace.
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I think you missed the point of that story
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
April couldn't shit right for a week after swallowing a dose of that.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
April was so much hotter in the first movie.
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I broke my foot falling down the stairs immediately after watching the 3rd movie.
I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
You wanted to be Yoshi so bad.
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Fitting you'd make him the short-tempered Raphael
Me babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
by Orlando Rays on Dec 10, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Is Tommy a full time baseball writer or does he have a "REAL" job (TM his parents).
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
2nd question: if Tommy's a grown man, shouldn't he call himself Tom at this point?
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thomas Gary Rancel, Junior.
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Super
I'm a Brett Favre honk so FUCK YOU!
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 10, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
My dad is Tom
www.draysbay.com, www.beyondtheboxscore.com, Twitter @trancel
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 10, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Oh you're one of those guys
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
How about Tomas then?
I’m trying to help you get laid here. Guys named Tommy haven’t gotten laid since the 80s. TAKE IT FROM SAMWISE SUTTY.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Well, there goes my pitch to FSN for an ongoing sketch about the Rays' bullpen spiritual leader, Zerpa the Sherpa.
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fukk all yalls, this was solid gold.
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Jesus, calm down, you insecure little nancy.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
ZERPA THE SHERPA.
How do I do it?
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It's a gift, passed down through the generations, back from when Lord Byron rimmed the shit out of your greatest grandmother.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 10, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
I like the idea that Lord Byron chose the most superior version of his array of grandmothers.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
She was fine.
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FYI, MLB is reporting the Soriano trade as official, pending physicals.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Another reason why ESPN blows
they are running a 24/7 winter meetings blog and not one damn thing mentioned about Soriano. If it’d be the freaking Yankees or Red Sox, they’d be all over this.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 10, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions
So so true
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 10, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
In ESPNs defense
the Red Sox did make a move
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
it's a 24/7 blog!
they NEED all the info they can get…a major closer gets moved and they are going to be the last to report it? SI and FoxSports already have more info…they are a complete joke, as always
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 10, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
With Mayor Gammons moving to MLBN, do you think MLBN becomes MLBNESN?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I like the MLBN
I really hope not, they don’t have to worry as much about pandering because they have great agreements with the cable companies. Also RaysinMinn I was being really sarcastic, I watched sportscenter this morning and had to wait for Buster Olney to mention the trade halfway into my second hour watching it, apparently Millwood is bigger news.
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Then again
you’ve gotta let Gammons do, what he wants to do, and give him the face time he deserves.
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Not entirely true
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4730636
Linked from ESPN’s MLB front page
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
that wasn't up until late this morning
they were extremely slow to report…they’ve covered every other little rumor or non-rumor…but dropped the ball on this one. absolutely nothing on their live blog. pathetic.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 10, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
either way, they have a 24/7 blog
they report when someone sneezes…and they don’t report this? no matter how you look at it, it is pathetic. they dropped the ball on this one.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 10, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
BOOF BONSER SIGNS WITH THE BOSOX!
in lesser news The Braves acquired Jesse Chavez from Tampa Bay for some bullpen guy
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 10, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Barry Bonds agent announces Barry's retirement for him
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4730658
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Is this trade really as ridiculously lop-sided as it seems at face value?
We just got a Mercedes for a Honda.
The Braves were caught off guard by the whole thing.
At least they get a guy with some years left who could turn into something decent though. Anyone who thought they were getting good value for Soriano was out of their mind.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
That's appropriate, seeing how Mercedes have a penchant for breaking down.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Don't hate on Hondas.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 10, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
ESPN also reporting that the Yankees have all but given up on Aroldis Chapman
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Slamweisel
Elie’s poetry club moniker.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 10, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Wow.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 10, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
.
That look was so gay. I thought Samwise Slutty was gonna tell R.J. Anderson to take a walk so he could saunter over to PlayOnWords and suck his fucking cock. Now that would have been an Academy Award worthy ending.
Oh hey, SRQ quotes Kevin Smith. How original.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Latest news on milton bradley.....
MLB.com’s Carrie Muskat says the Cubs are now scrambling to unload Milton Bradley. Tampa Bay – the team that’s been most connected to Bradley through this ordeal – feels that they are in no way obligated to help the Cubbies out, and prefer one year of Pat Burrell to two years of Bradley. Hard to blame them.
We’ll probably end up getting bradley for free and the cubs take on both his and PtB’s salary. haha.
He would be if he wasn't so busy eating at Checkers with Don Zimmer.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I'm probably alone on this
but I missed the Rap Cat this baseball year from the old checkers commercials.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 10, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Rap Cat was the jam
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Me babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
by Orlando Rays on Dec 10, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
We should be magnanimous
Ask them to eat all but $5m each of the 2 years.
Me babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
by Orlando Rays on Dec 10, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
What glorius news to wake up to!
I love you Soriano! Thanks for your time, Chavez….
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
Did you nod off?
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
You should try to get laid once in a while
I know UT is a haven for fat chicks, but that should just make it easier.
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Leave the kid alone.
Let him enjoy his innocence.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
You do realize my post is mocking you, right?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 10, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Oy Vey
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 10, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
He's not a kid though, he's a man-baby
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I will wait patiently until you shop a baby's head on his body.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
Too busy getting smoked by ESTEBAN 85 in CoD.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 10, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Inventive ways of not e'en givin a fuck.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 10, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
No.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 10, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Esteban was eaten?
Is he still alive?
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Wes Anderson is the greatest filmmaker of our time.
SO FUCK YOU.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 10, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
You can call me Mr. Hellicksonstine
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 10, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I figured out the Bradley trade, get AF on the phone
Milton Bradley (Cubs pay 75% of his contract)
Tyler Colvin
Micah Hoffpauir
And, Chicago gets:
Pat Burrell
B.J. Upton (Like I said before, its a center fielder swap)
-Dumb MLBTR commentor
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