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Gabe Gross Non-Tendered

Over the period of the last 18 or so months, Gabe Gross has been one of my favorite players.

I feel no shame in typing that sentence and I would hope you feel no shame for me. It wasn't a tools thing - although Gross' power, plate discipline, range, and arm rate out well - or a white thing. No, it was part indie rock syndrome and part appreciation for the average things in life. Mostly, the Gross fandom was a personal mark of maturation and sophistication as a baseball fan.

Star-divide

My old self would've hated Gross. Despite placing highly on prospect lists of days gone by, he didn't bleed athleticism. He hit home runs and got on base, but not enough. And defense? Who cares? He's a corner outfielder; if they ain't hitting bombs then they need to be gone. I was dumb, no question. I grew up watching a lot of Sammy Sosa and everyone loved him.

Over time, specifically the last two and a half years, my appreciation and understanding of what defense means to winning ballgames has changed. When the Rays acquired Gross, I had no defensive metric to turn to. UZR wasn't public - remember those days? - no Bill James Online account to check, little knowledge of PMR, and if I knew about the Fans Scouting Report, I wasn't smart enough to look for it. The Rays were only months removed from Delmon Young in right field who threw out a ton of baserunners. Even Ichiro going to third. Vladimir Guerrero also threw out runners and he was highly praised, so after Gross threw a few out, I was stoked. Gross' range quickly eclipsed either of those, and the disparity between Jonny Gomes and Gross was stunning.

Gross won some general fans over too. I promise you that 90% of them won't remember him in three years time, but he did it with well-timed home runs. He then lost many a fan with his playoff defense, specifically in Fenway - most of them forget the home run he robbed early in the third game of the American League Divisional Series - which lead to Boston forcing a game six.

Many won't remember how well Gross hit for the majority of this season. A scorching June, where Gross got on base at a 44.1% clip lead to consecutive sub-.700 OPS months, then, in his final 44 plate appearances, an embarrassing .075/.116/.100 line saw his seasonal work flushed down the drain. I'm sure it's not the way he wanted to go out, and hell, it's not how I wanted him to go out either.

Matt Joyce is going to be a thrill to watch. He's probably a better overall player than Gross, definitely a better power hitter. He'll do well for himself with fan base popularity off that and his local roots. You won't see FanPosts on this site calling for his release after a bad month, or people making wisecracks about how awful he is following a strikeout. No, I think Matt Joyce is going to be just fine. And so will Gross. He's a worthwhile player and he's going to land on someone's roster between now and spring.

Maybe one day, Gross will be appreciated for his value to the Rays these past two seasons. Even if he's not, I hope he realizes that there is no shame in being a league average player.  I also hope he cherishes that home run he hit off Matt Thornton, or the long fly against Eduardo Mujica. Or maybe, that game in Oakland earlier this year where he threw a runner out at home then hit a bomb shortly thereafter. Hopefully he remembers all those times he chased down a ball in the gap, almost colliding with the intruding B.J. Upton, or that time he camped under a ball at the warning track that others would've caught in more spectacular fashion, or when he drew a walk against a rolling pitcher. That's the quintessential Gabe Gross: silently valuable

Thanks for the memories and lessons, Gabe, come visit some time soon.

Update: Per RotoWorld, Cormier gets $1.2M next year, and apparently Navarro is back for $2.1M. Yay?

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I loved those walk-offs hits

That base hit he got off Mo the one that Gomes scored and flipped off his helmet. Great moment .

by rickrays on Dec 12, 2009 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

Good luck Gabe

We’ll always have the Mariano walk-off.

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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 12, 2009 10:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Gross

The Grocery Man Delivered

by CharlieRay on Dec 12, 2009 10:21 PM EST reply actions  

Durham bullpen depth looking strong

Thayer, Abreu, Bateman all will be back

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions  

Jesus% reduced.

We must sign Tebow.

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by PlayOnWords on Dec 12, 2009 10:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

EFFFFFFFFFFF

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by PlayOnWords on Dec 12, 2009 11:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

god damnit

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

Cormier will be making 1.2 mil

wtf Navi

trade him plz

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

No real good options for backup at the moment

The Shoppach-Navarro battle begins. Let’s hope Navarro can hit righty’s as he did to the tune of .308 in 2008.

by rickrays on Dec 12, 2009 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

Hopefully this is just the Rays literally buying time to trade Navi.

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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 12, 2009 11:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Well at 2.1M

It at least isn’t a horrible cost, the avg FA C is getting 3M.

It is completely obvious he was going to be NT though after that deal.

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully a team will see the going rate and think he's cheap

Anything in return works for me.

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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 12, 2009 11:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

At 2.1 million he might be attractive to another team.

With Riggans gone the Rays may go the safe route letting Navarro and Shoppach battle it out for the starting job.

by rickrays on Dec 12, 2009 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

I hope one of them figures out righties

I guess with Lobaton, the offense would be even worse and with Jaso, the defense would be worse

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The interesting deals still remain

Garza, Bartlett, Upton and Howell all remain

Shoppach and Balfour still need a contract also.

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

37 guys on the 40 man now

Sign Carrasco for 1 of the spots!

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:16 PM EST reply actions  

He can have Sonny's spot

Sonny has an option left anyways

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll miss you, Gabe

:(

Your source for replacement level commentary

by RATW on Dec 12, 2009 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

SPTimes Tweet

SPTimesRays
  
#Rays Friedman on keeping both Navarro + Shoppach: "I feel like we’re a better team w/ both, then w/ one guy + another guy on the market.’

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:20 PM EST reply actions  

Considering the FA options

that’s not totally a stretch

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

He’s not gonna say Navi sucks.

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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 12, 2009 11:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Interpret this

1) He plans to move one rather than lose one with no comp

or

2) He trusts Navi over anything readily available

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

outside of Zaun there were hardly any good options

Could be sticking with the devil (ray) you know instead of the one you don’t.

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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 12, 2009 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I like Option 3

You suck, take this or be NT and have to go to a reallllly bad team

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Shawn Riggans

MLBTR Mike Alixa reports Ray`s offered riggans a contract.

How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...

by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 12, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

he wasnt offered a contract, hes gone

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

my bad

Maybe I read what I wanted to see. Report says not offered. Oops.

How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...

by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 12, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe, just maybe

Navi isn’t as good as he was in 2008, but also not as bad as he was last season. Maybe he’s somewhere in the middle, making him just about league average.

Or maybe I’ve just had too much to drink today.

by PhillyRays on Dec 12, 2009 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

No, he was unlucky last season for sure.

But his plate approach also suffered. Maybe he’ll focus a little more on baseball this off-season. Hopefully his agent can use the free time from running his mouth on the radio to keep him on track.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 12, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i wanted him gone for another reason though

man I hate that jerk off agent of his

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Who knows

I think we all knew he wasn’t as good as his 2008 season was, but we’re lost after that

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

this is true

would be like a Gross/Joyce platoon

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

see ya Gabe

he definitely produced many of my most memorable “live” Rays moments

by free hotdogs on Dec 12, 2009 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

So figuring this out

Ramon A. Ramirez was waived – 39 men
Gabe Gross non tendered 38 men
Shawn Riggans non tendered 37 men on the roster as far as I can tell

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

Yup

Maybe we’ll get Aneury on that roster now

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

nah i doubt he gets a spot til the offseason

He will only be in AAA this year anyway

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Why bother now?

Only reason to add was to protect form rule 5

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

they may keep at least 1 or 2 spots

so they don’t have to waive anyone to call someone up.

On that subject, can we please put Morlan in AAA finally?

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

For 7 million and Soriano, the Rays bought a ton of goodwill with the mainstream masses

For another 2 million, they just blew it. I’m kidding, but I did not expect Navi on the roster tonight. Jaso, Lobaton, Carlin, Phillips where art thou?

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

i didn't expect him to be on the roster either

too bad Riggans can’t/couldn’t stay healthy

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by raysfan81 on Dec 12, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Navi is the same price as Zaun

This is why I don’t think this is Navi’s final destination. Zaun is a much more logical platoon mate.

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

if he gets traded would his spot go to Lobaton or Jaso

hmmm…..

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--Someone should slap Larry Brown and bring him back to reality..

by raysfan81 on Dec 12, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Can Morlan master AA first?

I guess with Gorgen in AA they could move him to AAA

by rickrays on Dec 12, 2009 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

Too bad Riggans couldn't hit in winter ball

Shawn’s poor winter ball stats spelled his doom.

by rickrays on Dec 12, 2009 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

I think chronic shoulder injury spelled his doom. Still I liked the way the kid played the game.

How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...

by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 12, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely brilliant Andrew

Only thing left unknown is PTBNL and with three open spots lots of interesting moves

by sternfan1 on Dec 12, 2009 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

I know you are ecstatic about GG

Are you happy about Navi?

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

My feeling?

We’ve outgrown Gross which is good

Onm Navi—i guess they like Shoppach/Navi more than Shoppach/Zaun—and i might also

by sternfan1 on Dec 12, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

Break down the PT?

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hard to say now--we are talking about two guys coming back from down years

but Navi still has upside and loves playing here—i’m fine with it

by sternfan1 on Dec 12, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Or not.

Loves playing here? Is he your nephew or something?

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 12, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

he may not mind it

its his agent who wants him catching 162 games

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

well that ended a long time ago

It was Shoppach and Navarro or Jaso or Lobaton

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

that PTBNL will be cash is my guess anyway

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

its anyone but a C

cash or Talbot

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

True

I don’t think Navi is staying here. I really don’t. We were interested in Zaun, but it came down to $. We didn’t discard him due to age.

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

26 year old catcher

Many thought it was too soon to give on Navi. For all the knocks against Navarro he had the best average on the team in 2008 at .295. Remember he hit 308 vs right handed pitching in 2008 so we have hope.

by rickrays on Dec 12, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

Barty, JP, Garza, Upton, Balfour and Shoppach

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess we are just offering arby to everyone else

was hoping for actual contracts

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

he got a lot of clutch hits

Yeah navi can’t walk a damn but really what options did the Rays have? Oh yeah Zaun.

by rickrays on Dec 12, 2009 11:55 PM EST reply actions  

I remember that

Bases were loaded too in the like 2nd inning

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

We had 3 bad options

Navarro knows how to eat food but thats about it
Jaso plays terrible defense
Lobaton can’t hit
Riggans would of been hurt all year

I wanted him gone but I guess he was our best choice

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:57 PM EST reply actions  

nah dude we blow

we got 0 wins

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, hes never been about wins

When has he shown up after a victory?

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 13, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

solid point

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Hitting Coach

brought his boy from Cleveland with him to catch 120 games.

How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...

by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 12, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe?

Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.

by P Brady on Dec 12, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Navi's agent
Rays now 5-7 with Zaun starting, 5-2 with Navi behind the plate. I guess Joe Maddon wants October off this year.

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:58 PM EST reply actions  

Still hate him.

Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.

by P Brady on Dec 12, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

GEOFF ZAUN FTW!!!

his agent is a total idiot

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--Someone should slap Larry Brown and bring him back to reality..

by raysfan81 on Dec 13, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Bradley isn't coming

Milton would impact the 2011 payroll too much so forget him.

by rickrays on Dec 12, 2009 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

For Bradley?

When CC/Los/Raffy all leave at 2011?

Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.

by P Brady on Dec 13, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Cubs need him gone, eventually they will want to move on and will pay for most of his 2011 salary

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

So that does it

Lets see what everyone else asks for

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:03 AM EST reply actions  

I do think Garza and BJ will ask for a lot

but its there arb1 year, we should be ok

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Barty is gon' get paid

I wonder how bad it will be

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Any comparable guys?

All the good SS’s don’t get this far

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I cant think of any

Jeter, Hanley, Tejada and others were given long term deals

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

didnt the Sox give him 8 mil a year?

and Renteria makes 9 mil a year

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Giants sure screwed that one up

Considering how the FA market played out

Wouldn’t be surprised to see JB get close to 8mil then at max

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Think Marco got ~6 per for 2 years

which would be good news for the Rays

the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009

by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 13, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

G'night boys--6:30 AM comes quick

and to let you know i haven’t gone too soft—still don’t like Ball-Four

by sternfan1 on Dec 13, 2009 12:05 AM EST reply actions  

prostate

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 13, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What I thought.

That is the early one. Today was my first time in a Church in about 3 years…it felt weird.

by SRQman on Dec 13, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Sits in section 303 I think

he screams at the camera guy (calls him by his first name) to get on tv, I sat near him one game.

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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 13, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

he was just offered arby

He will most likely be signed before the arbitration hearings though

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Capps non-tender

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 13, 2009 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

Capps non-tender

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 13, 2009 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

That's an interesting guy

Pittsburgh should’ve traded him last year

Fools

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Orioles

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

hey Capps for 7th inning guy!

How the mighty have fallen

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't get why they're non-tendering him.

Too many smart people there to fall for one bad year.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 13, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

ahhahahah

the guy they wanted Brignac for?

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Garko non-tender

minor league deal?

How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...

by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 13, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions  

for some reason, I always liked Clay Condrey's name

either way hes good and was released, ST invite please

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:19 AM EST reply actions  

Someone will give him that

Maybe the M’s will grab him, they’re on a signing spree

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

i just dont get it

Who is gonna get a chance to close there now? I think Chavez was high on the list but he gone too

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

It's Pittsburgh

They dunno what they’re doing

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Joel Hanrahan

Best guess or maybe Meeks

How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...

by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 13, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Who is on your christmas list now?

Mine is all relievers, if they come cheap

Matt Capps – someone will give him millions to close
Clay Condrey – prob will come cheap and hes a good arm
D.J Carrasco – please! he shouldnt be too pricey

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:36 AM EST reply actions  

Christmas list

Yonder Alonso- no shot at resigning Pena with Boras as a agent.
Hank Conger- switch hitting catcher with some pop 1 – 2 years away.

How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...

by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 13, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

You never know what could happen with Pena

We’ll worry about it in 2011. The good thing is, not many big market teams need a 1B

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I think people are being too premature about Pena leaving

If he hits like .230 again, he may get take a 1 year/7.5 mil deal to try and prove he has something left

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

It's the FA market

Someone is gonna do something stupid

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

leverage

would you like to negotiate with Boras with a system as thin as ours is at first base?

How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...

by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 13, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I really depends what the FA market of 2011 is like

right now it’s on a level we may never see again(barring extensions that will happen).

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

uh, Jose Arrendondo is a FA

he had tommy john, we should scoop him up ASAP

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 12:52 AM EST reply actions  

um, no

I wouldn’t until he’s at least close to returning

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

thats when teams will line up to get him

he will be dirt cheap right now and he has a great arm

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by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess, still

That’s a long way away to worry about him

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Has he even had surgery yet?

How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...

by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 13, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

he just had it

and its not only a great arm, he will cost very little and he gets 60 day DL’d, no 40 man spot

Fire and Ice: Rafael Soriano and J.P Howell.......with their side kick Grant the aussie Balfour!

by joeybw on Dec 13, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point

Still two years away is a long time.

How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...

by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 13, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Navi

Think he will bring it! 2008 all over again!

by hans k on Dec 13, 2009 3:54 AM EST reply actions  

Gross

Sad to see him go – wonderful defensive player. Providing it’s the right fit, he should help his next team.

by TimDierkesSucks on Dec 13, 2009 6:33 AM EST reply actions  

i liked gross a lot

sad to see him go. good luck gabe

by dropkicknu on Dec 13, 2009 7:46 AM EST reply actions  

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