Gabe Gross Non-Tendered
Over the period of the last 18 or so months, Gabe Gross has been one of my favorite players.
I feel no shame in typing that sentence and I would hope you feel no shame for me. It wasn't a tools thing - although Gross' power, plate discipline, range, and arm rate out well - or a white thing. No, it was part indie rock syndrome and part appreciation for the average things in life. Mostly, the Gross fandom was a personal mark of maturation and sophistication as a baseball fan.
My old self would've hated Gross. Despite placing highly on prospect lists of days gone by, he didn't bleed athleticism. He hit home runs and got on base, but not enough. And defense? Who cares? He's a corner outfielder; if they ain't hitting bombs then they need to be gone. I was dumb, no question. I grew up watching a lot of Sammy Sosa and everyone loved him.
Over time, specifically the last two and a half years, my appreciation and understanding of what defense means to winning ballgames has changed. When the Rays acquired Gross, I had no defensive metric to turn to. UZR wasn't public - remember those days? - no Bill James Online account to check, little knowledge of PMR, and if I knew about the Fans Scouting Report, I wasn't smart enough to look for it. The Rays were only months removed from Delmon Young in right field who threw out a ton of baserunners. Even Ichiro going to third. Vladimir Guerrero also threw out runners and he was highly praised, so after Gross threw a few out, I was stoked. Gross' range quickly eclipsed either of those, and the disparity between Jonny Gomes and Gross was stunning.
Gross won some general fans over too. I promise you that 90% of them won't remember him in three years time, but he did it with well-timed home runs. He then lost many a fan with his playoff defense, specifically in Fenway - most of them forget the home run he robbed early in the third game of the American League Divisional Series - which lead to Boston forcing a game six.
Many won't remember how well Gross hit for the majority of this season. A scorching June, where Gross got on base at a 44.1% clip lead to consecutive sub-.700 OPS months, then, in his final 44 plate appearances, an embarrassing .075/.116/.100 line saw his seasonal work flushed down the drain. I'm sure it's not the way he wanted to go out, and hell, it's not how I wanted him to go out either.
Matt Joyce is going to be a thrill to watch. He's probably a better overall player than Gross, definitely a better power hitter. He'll do well for himself with fan base popularity off that and his local roots. You won't see FanPosts on this site calling for his release after a bad month, or people making wisecracks about how awful he is following a strikeout. No, I think Matt Joyce is going to be just fine. And so will Gross. He's a worthwhile player and he's going to land on someone's roster between now and spring.
Maybe one day, Gross will be appreciated for his value to the Rays these past two seasons. Even if he's not, I hope he realizes that there is no shame in being a league average player. I also hope he cherishes that home run he hit off Matt Thornton, or the long fly against Eduardo Mujica. Or maybe, that game in Oakland earlier this year where he threw a runner out at home then hit a bomb shortly thereafter. Hopefully he remembers all those times he chased down a ball in the gap, almost colliding with the intruding B.J. Upton, or that time he camped under a ball at the warning track that others would've caught in more spectacular fashion, or when he drew a walk against a rolling pitcher. That's the quintessential Gabe Gross: silently valuable
Thanks for the memories and lessons, Gabe, come visit some time soon.
Update: Per RotoWorld, Cormier gets $1.2M next year, and apparently Navarro is back for $2.1M. Yay?
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I loved those walk-offs hits
That base hit he got off Mo the one that Gomes scored and flipped off his helmet. Great moment .
Good luck Gabe
We’ll always have the Mariano walk-off.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 12, 2009 10:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Durham bullpen depth looking strong
Thayer, Abreu, Bateman all will be back
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Jesus% reduced.
We must sign Tebow.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 12, 2009 10:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
SPTimesRays #Rays strike one-year deal with Dioner Navarro for $2.1-million, also non-tender C Shawn Riggans. Shoppach is tendered.
WHAT
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
EFFFFFFFFFFF
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 12, 2009 11:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
god damnit
Fire and Ice: Rafael Soriano and J.P Howell.......with their side kick Grant the aussie Balfour!
Cormier will be making 1.2 mil
wtf Navi
trade him plz
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No real good options for backup at the moment
The Shoppach-Navarro battle begins. Let’s hope Navarro can hit righty’s as he did to the tune of .308 in 2008.
Hopefully this is just the Rays literally buying time to trade Navi.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 12, 2009 11:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Well at 2.1M
It at least isn’t a horrible cost, the avg FA C is getting 3M.
It is completely obvious he was going to be NT though after that deal.
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by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully a team will see the going rate and think he's cheap
Anything in return works for me.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 12, 2009 11:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
At 2.1 million he might be attractive to another team.
With Riggans gone the Rays may go the safe route letting Navarro and Shoppach battle it out for the starting job.
I hope one of them figures out righties
I guess with Lobaton, the offense would be even worse and with Jaso, the defense would be worse
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The interesting deals still remain
Garza, Bartlett, Upton and Howell all remain
Shoppach and Balfour still need a contract also.
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37 guys on the 40 man now
Sign Carrasco for 1 of the spots!
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Where will he play though, AAA?
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
He can have Sonny's spot
Sonny has an option left anyways
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SPTimes Tweet
SPTimesRays
#Rays Friedman on keeping both Navarro + Shoppach: "I feel like we’re a better team w/ both, then w/ one guy + another guy on the market.’
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Considering the FA options
that’s not totally a stretch
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
He’s not gonna say Navi sucks.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 12, 2009 11:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ed Wade probably loves Navi. Can't take any chances.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 12, 2009 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Interpret this
1) He plans to move one rather than lose one with no comp
or
2) He trusts Navi over anything readily available
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outside of Zaun there were hardly any good options
Could be sticking with the devil (ray) you know instead of the one you don’t.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 12, 2009 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eh, I'll take a cheaper devil who may turn out decent
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I like Option 3
You suck, take this or be NT and have to go to a reallllly bad team
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Shawn Riggans
MLBTR Mike Alixa reports Ray`s offered riggans a contract.
How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 12, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions
he wasnt offered a contract, hes gone
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my bad
Maybe I read what I wanted to see. Report says not offered. Oops.
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by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 12, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, just maybe
Navi isn’t as good as he was in 2008, but also not as bad as he was last season. Maybe he’s somewhere in the middle, making him just about league average.
Or maybe I’ve just had too much to drink today.
No, he was unlucky last season for sure.
But his plate approach also suffered. Maybe he’ll focus a little more on baseball this off-season. Hopefully his agent can use the free time from running his mouth on the radio to keep him on track.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 12, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I 99% guarantee going to Arb was a big reason for his poor play
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
i wanted him gone for another reason though
man I hate that jerk off agent of his
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Who knows
I think we all knew he wasn’t as good as his 2008 season was, but we’re lost after that
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Even so Shoppah and Navi is redundant
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
this is true
would be like a Gross/Joyce platoon
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see ya Gabe
he definitely produced many of my most memorable “live” Rays moments
So figuring this out
Ramon A. Ramirez was waived – 39 men
Gabe Gross non tendered 38 men
Shawn Riggans non tendered 37 men on the roster as far as I can tell
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Yup
Maybe we’ll get Aneury on that roster now
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
nah i doubt he gets a spot til the offseason
He will only be in AAA this year anyway
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Why bother now?
Only reason to add was to protect form rule 5
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Well somebody is going to be on there
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by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
they may keep at least 1 or 2 spots
so they don’t have to waive anyone to call someone up.
On that subject, can we please put Morlan in AAA finally?
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For 7 million and Soriano, the Rays bought a ton of goodwill with the mainstream masses
For another 2 million, they just blew it. I’m kidding, but I did not expect Navi on the roster tonight. Jaso, Lobaton, Carlin, Phillips where art thou?
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i didn't expect him to be on the roster either
too bad Riggans can’t/couldn’t stay healthy
--Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
--Someone should slap Larry Brown and bring him back to reality..
Navi is the same price as Zaun
This is why I don’t think this is Navi’s final destination. Zaun is a much more logical platoon mate.
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if he gets traded would his spot go to Lobaton or Jaso
hmmm…..
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--Someone should slap Larry Brown and bring him back to reality..
Can Morlan master AA first?
I guess with Gorgen in AA they could move him to AAA
Too bad Riggans couldn't hit in winter ball
Shawn’s poor winter ball stats spelled his doom.
I don't think the Rays are that short-sighted.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 12, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I think chronic shoulder injury spelled his doom. Still I liked the way the kid played the game.
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by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 12, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely brilliant Andrew
Only thing left unknown is PTBNL and with three open spots lots of interesting moves
I know you are ecstatic about GG
Are you happy about Navi?
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
My feeling?
We’ve outgrown Gross which is good
Onm Navi—i guess they like Shoppach/Navi more than Shoppach/Zaun—and i might also
Why?
Break down the PT?
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
For 40-50 games I'll roll the dice with Jaso/Lobes behind him
20 games of Zaun and 20 of minor league replacement is better than 40-50 of Navi vs RHP
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to say now--we are talking about two guys coming back from down years
but Navi still has upside and loves playing here—i’m fine with it
Or not.
Loves playing here? Is he your nephew or something?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 12, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
he may not mind it
its his agent who wants him catching 162 games
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well that ended a long time ago
It was Shoppach and Navarro or Jaso or Lobaton
Fire and Ice: Rafael Soriano and J.P Howell.......with their side kick Grant the aussie Balfour!
that PTBNL will be cash is my guess anyway
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its anyone but a C
cash or Talbot
Fire and Ice: Rafael Soriano and J.P Howell.......with their side kick Grant the aussie Balfour!
I'm thinking it's Talbot
Mitch is out of options
Two years.
Amazing. What other team was he bidding against? The retirement home?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 12, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
He got a 2/6ish
same as Pudge about
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
True
I don’t think Navi is staying here. I really don’t. We were interested in Zaun, but it came down to $. We didn’t discard him due to age.
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
though we did get a pick.
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
26 year old catcher
Many thought it was too soon to give on Navi. For all the knocks against Navarro he had the best average on the team in 2008 at .295. Remember he hit 308 vs right handed pitching in 2008 so we have hope.
I don't think having a high BABIP when it's a total fluke is much to brag about.
I don’t care if he hits .310 if he only walks 4% of the time.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 12, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
ah batting average
Look at his career slash line vs RHP
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder if we make him ditch switch hitting if he stays.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 12, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Still, I much prefer Shopp vs LHP
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Barty, JP, Garza, Upton, Balfour and Shoppach
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I guess we are just offering arby to everyone else
was hoping for actual contracts
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he got a lot of clutch hits
Yeah navi can’t walk a damn but really what options did the Rays have? Oh yeah Zaun.
Navarro used to walk. Last season he got dumb and started thinking of himself as Ted Williams.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 12, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
I need to find that at-bat against Texas on Sunday night where he swung at a pitch below the chart.
That was the worst at-bat of the season, bar none.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 13, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
I remember that
Bases were loaded too in the like 2nd inning
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
here it is
http://www.draysbay.com/2009/7/5/939037/the-worst-at-bat-of-the-season
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 13, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Somehow he didn't get benched for this.
Unacceptable.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 13, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
2.1 mill
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 13, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
We were Zaunless at the time =(
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
As we are again
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 13, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Remember his big homer that one Sunday?
Sigh.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 13, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
You remember Navarro's big home run
Because I don’t lol
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
=( x2
I will miss Plate discipline and crazy blocking
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
and Rush!
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 13, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
We had 3 bad options
Navarro knows how to eat food but thats about it
Jaso plays terrible defense
Lobaton can’t hit
Riggans would of been hurt all year
I wanted him gone but I guess he was our best choice
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Gentleman--on paper this is a better team than '08
and with Bradley and one mope pen arm—wow
he's a fan of a team with 0 losses
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 12, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
nah dude we blow
we got 0 wins
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Nah, hes never been about wins
When has he shown up after a victory?
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 13, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
solid point
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Perhaps with Henderson gone Navi will improve
It’s a new day with a new hitting coach
Hitting Coach
brought his boy from Cleveland with him to catch 120 games.
How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 12, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Navi's agent
Rays now 5-7 with Zaun starting, 5-2 with Navi behind the plate. I guess Joe Maddon wants October off this year.
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GEOFF ZAUN FTW!!!
his agent is a total idiot
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--Someone should slap Larry Brown and bring him back to reality..
Remember this--we went to the WS in '08 and started the year
with Wheels in the 7th—Reyes in the 8th and Percy closing
I posted this earlier in the day
but this is probably to blame for his new attitude
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 13, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Bradley isn't coming
Milton would impact the 2011 payroll too much so forget him.
For Bradley?
When CC/Los/Raffy all leave at 2011?
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
Cubs need him gone, eventually they will want to move on and will pay for most of his 2011 salary
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You really want Milton?
The guys a nut case. He’ll beat up the cowbell kid and sign lady.
So that does it
Lets see what everyone else asks for
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Some guys shouldn't be hard to sign
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
I do think Garza and BJ will ask for a lot
but its there arb1 year, we should be ok
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JB & Garza will probably be the 2 hardest
Everyone else will be like last year
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Barty is gon' get paid
I wonder how bad it will be
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Any comparable guys?
All the good SS’s don’t get this far
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
I cant think of any
Jeter, Hanley, Tejada and others were given long term deals
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It could depend on the FA SS market too
What’d Scutaro get?
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
didnt the Sox give him 8 mil a year?
and Renteria makes 9 mil a year
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Giants sure screwed that one up
Considering how the FA market played out
Wouldn’t be surprised to see JB get close to 8mil then at max
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Think Marco got ~6 per for 2 years
which would be good news for the Rays
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 13, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
G'night boys--6:30 AM comes quick
and to let you know i haven’t gone too soft—still don’t like Ball-Four
prostate
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 13, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What I thought.
That is the early one. Today was my first time in a Church in about 3 years…it felt weird.
Sits in section 303 I think
he screams at the camera guy (calls him by his first name) to get on tv, I sat near him one game.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 13, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
he was just offered arby
He will most likely be signed before the arbitration hearings though
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That's an interesting guy
Pittsburgh should’ve traded him last year
Fools
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Wonder what he will end up going for?
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 13, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Orioles
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THEY SHOULD SIGN HIM
CLOSERS FOR EVERYONE
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
hey Capps for 7th inning guy!
How the mighty have fallen
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I don't get why they're non-tendering him.
Too many smart people there to fall for one bad year.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 13, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
They were too dumb to trade him
Why should they pay to keep him
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Well if they can get someone to take Wheeler
Capps can come here.
Garko non-tender
minor league deal?
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by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 13, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions
for some reason, I always liked Clay Condrey's name
either way hes good and was released, ST invite please
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Someone will give him that
Maybe the M’s will grab him, they’re on a signing spree
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
i just dont get it
Who is gonna get a chance to close there now? I think Chavez was high on the list but he gone too
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It's Pittsburgh
They dunno what they’re doing
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Joel Hanrahan
Best guess or maybe Meeks
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by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 13, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Who is on your christmas list now?
Mine is all relievers, if they come cheap
Matt Capps – someone will give him millions to close
Clay Condrey – prob will come cheap and hes a good arm
D.J Carrasco – please! he shouldnt be too pricey
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Christmas list
Yonder Alonso- no shot at resigning Pena with Boras as a agent.
Hank Conger- switch hitting catcher with some pop 1 – 2 years away.
How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 13, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
You never know what could happen with Pena
We’ll worry about it in 2011. The good thing is, not many big market teams need a 1B
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
I think people are being too premature about Pena leaving
If he hits like .230 again, he may get take a 1 year/7.5 mil deal to try and prove he has something left
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It's the FA market
Someone is gonna do something stupid
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
leverage
would you like to negotiate with Boras with a system as thin as ours is at first base?
How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 13, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
I really depends what the FA market of 2011 is like
right now it’s on a level we may never see again(barring extensions that will happen).
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
uh, Jose Arrendondo is a FA
he had tommy john, we should scoop him up ASAP
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um, no
I wouldn’t until he’s at least close to returning
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
thats when teams will line up to get him
he will be dirt cheap right now and he has a great arm
Fire and Ice: Rafael Soriano and J.P Howell.......with their side kick Grant the aussie Balfour!
I guess, still
That’s a long way away to worry about him
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 13, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Has he even had surgery yet?
How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 13, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
he just had it
and its not only a great arm, he will cost very little and he gets 60 day DL’d, no 40 man spot
Fire and Ice: Rafael Soriano and J.P Howell.......with their side kick Grant the aussie Balfour!
Good point
Still two years away is a long time.
How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 13, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Navi
Think he will bring it! 2008 all over again!
Gross
Sad to see him go – wonderful defensive player. Providing it’s the right fit, he should help his next team.
by TimDierkesSucks on Dec 13, 2009 6:33 AM EST reply actions

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