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Reaction to John Lackey Potentially Joining the Boston Red Sox

Most of the time, the American League East is enjoyable. Often, the amount of love for the Red Sox and Yankees is nauseating, but as someone who gets 99% of their baseball information fix from the internet rather than the television or newspaper, I find myself often avoiding the full onslaught. Of course, the amount of money the two teams spend is nauseating by comparison as well, but then again, if they can make that much money, then why not allow them to also spend it?

Fenway Park is essentially the Mecca of baseball stadiums. The seats are ridiculously outdated and cramped and the ushers may as well go by the names Nostalgia and History. Ted Williams once played on that grass - well, that grass' grandfather - and that big wall in left is the closest thing baseball has to the Kaaba. The new Yankee Stadium is nothing if not a symbol of the Steinbrenner's unrelenting pursuit of deeper satisfaction and cultural symbolism. This trait also seems prevalent in Jerry Jones.

Downsides are common too, but I'm thankful there's a more poetic side to these rivalries. The Marlins are the cross-town rivals and frankly I see it as no big deal when the two clubs play. Even if they were in the same division I'm not sure there's much allure there. With the Yankees and Sox it's always been about beating the best. The shift in atmosphere is pretty resounding. No longer is there a foreign vibe of "The champs are here!" but rather, "Hey, this is a big divisional game." I'm not ready for that to shift back anytime soon.

Which means today is one of those days where the division sucks. Actually, the entire off-season. Not just because these two teams acquire players like Curtis Granderson. Nope, again, that's their business (even if it is an inconvenience), but because their fans always get into a pissing match about everything. If the Red Sox do sign John Lackey today, every Red Sox and Yankee blog, radio station, and watering hole is going to spend the rest of the off-season arguing over which rotation is better. Try as a I may to avoid it, somewhere it will pop up. Probably the FanGraphs comments section because they hate me.

While they do their bickering, they'll ignore one of the bigger impacts this potential signing will bring. For the second year in a row a division rival will not only add a Blue Jays Type-A free agent, but add him at the expense of a pick beyond the first round. Remember when the Yankees signed A.J. Burnett then signed other free agents and Toronto didn't get a pick until the third? Well, Boston would push Toronto's pick back until at least the second, and further if they also grab Matt Holliday.

Star-divide

Lackey is pretty good. Over the last three years his highest xFIP is 3.99 and his lowest is 3.88. He's basically an older version of James Shields with more wear and tear. He's also like a younger version of Medusa because those who stare him in the face usually turn into stone. A lot of these folk will mention his spotty record against the Yankees (5-7, 4.66 ERA) or his troubles at Fenway (5.75 ERA) but don't buy into it. Small sample size and park factors make those numbers even more meaningless than they already are.

Lackey's fastball is pretty mediocre. He throws it (and everything else) for strikes though, which keeps batters off balance. His breaking pitches are about the only pitches worth their weight in whiffs - with the slider being especially tough. I suppose the Rays' version of the upside is that Lackey is more of a health risk than the average pitcher. He's missed parts of the last two years with injuries and joins not-so-reliable-arms like Josh Beckett, Tim Wakefield, and Daisuke Matsuzaka. Pitcher injuries are pretty unpredictable though.

Regardless, A) he shouldn't be paid as much as Burnett was last off-season and B) I think the over/under for his 2010 xFIP should be set at 4.00 no matter where he winds up.

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Hopefully the Angels bring him back last minute

Also, we may see the blockbuster to end all blockbusters go down soon. A 3/4 team deal involving Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

maybe our spending spree continues with Lee? Probably not.

Great article too, my sentiments exactly it sucks but it’s better than winning a weak division, makes every success that much sweeter.

the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009

by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 14, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya

but Nick Johnson/Beltre is pretty bad for us too, though no Holliday.

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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 14, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think they get Bay or Holliday

im more worried that this signing may lead to Buchholz + spects for Adrian Gonzalez

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

how have we been against Lackey?

We own Halladay

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

9-2 record 3.07 ERA

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 14, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

god damnit

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

We pitch well against Halladay

We don’t own him at the plate

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 14, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 14, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

So Lee is a Mariner and Halladay is a Phillie

I wonder who the prospects are

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

I'm gonna miss Halladay

We always beat him, regardless of logic. Mariners are turning into a freaking machine though, Angels look to be in trouble.

LOL @ Blue Jays they’re gonna finish in last

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, right?

WTF happened to the Epic Failiners?

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by JMB on Dec 14, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Id imagine

M’s gave up Aumont(Canadian) and that tall outfielder from the M’s who played us last year Michael something.

by raysrule44 on Dec 14, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Saunders

I am sure the Jays asked for Ackley but I doubt the Mariners gave him up.

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That'd be like us trading Longoria

Especially since they can’t score any runs

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

oh really?

I could of sworn he was offered for Adrian Gonzalez but I guess it was gasp a fake rumor

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, shit

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by JMB on Dec 14, 2009 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

Man if I was a Angel fan, I would be PISSED

Lackey gone
Lee to the Mariners
Halladay isn’t coming

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

Angels are rumored to get Matsui

and they lost Lackey, Figgins, and Vlad

Weaver – Kazmir – Saunders – Santana – Winner of ST competition isn’t very scary

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

from what I hear, Wood is their 3B next season

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

he has a lot of power potential

Hasn’t had a shot in the bigs really. They want another Morales.

He will probably k a lot, play average at best defense and hit a good amount of homers

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm

Could be problematic for them this year.

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

His defense might be a bit better than average

He was a long-time shortstop. Avg to below avg at short, but that often translates into a good 3B, as long as the arm is there.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 14, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That'd be nice if we played the Angels 18 games a year

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by JMB on Dec 14, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

i know

Mariners are going to win that division easy.

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Or they at least should

I worry about that offense

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Felix Hernendez and Cliff Lee has to be the best 1-2 in baseball

Only Lincecum – Cain come close

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

o_O

That pairing is the destroyer of worlds

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by JMB on Dec 14, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone wanna guess what the Mariners gave up?

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

I can't imagine very much

They need their hitters, maybe 1-2 pitcher, 1-2 positions players/prospects

Phillies I think are holding down the bulk cost

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Morrow will be part of the deal I think

but god knows who else

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Lee will be a one and done

He’s a Yankee in ’11—Book it

He and Sabathia are best of friends

by sternfan1 on Dec 14, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

I doubt he stays with the Mariners

they are trying to lock up Felix, dont know if they will keep both

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok so Lee's agent has no idea where this rumor came from

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

in bigger news

Claudio Vargas resigns with the brewers. Thoughts?

by Jombari on Dec 14, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

biggest news of the day I think

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i know. i was stunned when i saw it

thought he would hold off until the bigger FA signed to get a market for where he was at. He really got impatient

by Jombari on Dec 14, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It's times like these I root for arm injuries...

Not beause I hate Lackey, he still gets paid. I just want the Soz to have to eat that contract.

by td32 on Dec 14, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I know...

But this is the crap I hate about the AL East. Having one of the top 3 or 4 teams in baseball(on paper), and having a dificult time cracking the playoffs.

by td32 on Dec 14, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Tis why

the NL east is what it is.

Why do you kill threads????

by 4QB on Dec 14, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Him?

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by PlayOnWords on Dec 14, 2009 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So, LL

is going crazy over this shit, make it happen.

Why do you kill threads????

by 4QB on Dec 14, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

On Escobar

that other site says we are looking to clear DL spots before moving in on Escobar. Huh?

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

i dont see it on their site

i got a text from their tweeter saying that

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm seeing 3 open spots on the 40 man...

So not sure why they would have to clear DL spots.

by td32 on Dec 14, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Booo Rays Index

I hope we get Escobar though

by raysrule44 on Dec 14, 2009 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

Some news

http://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/6674641214

Jays will get Aumont, Michael Taylor and more

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

No Holliday or Bay

Sox going after Cameron

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

Is this one real? can it actually be

Source

However, the perception the Cubs will have more money to spend on free agents and trades by moving Bradley is false. Bradley and Burrell will make $9 million in 2010 — that’s a wash — whatever money Jim Hendry saves on Bradley’s 2011 contract will not impact $1 of his 2010 payroll. Bradley’s owed $12.5 million in 2011. If Hendry can save $6.5 million by eating $6 million, that will only help the person running the 2011 team.

Unfortunately for Hendry, if he doesn’t get extra money to sign a solid set-up man and a good center fielder, someone else will be running the Cubs in 2011.

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

has to be feeling the pressure to trade him ASAP

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno if anyone would take him now

Winter Meetings passed, and there were only like few teams that would take him to start with.

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

hey man, he cant play D and his offense is not too special

oh wait……thats a bad thing.

Zambrano is good but overpaid also

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

J.A Happ and Blanton both took physicals

damn, how much did the Phillies actually trade?

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

lolz
I don’t like this one motherf*cking bit. Halladay has never pitched in the playoffs.

There’s no reason to get rid of Cliff Lee, who just spent the last few months pistol-whipping the entire NL, for someone who is unproven at best and struggled down the stretch this past season. The only ONLY reason to do this would be if Lee gave Amaro the middle finger and took a dump in his morning corn flakes after Ruben broached the subject of an extension.

Hate it, hate it, hate it.

by rglass44 on Dec 14, 2009 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

If I were stupider, and a Phillies fan, I might believe this too.

I have a hard time understanding how Philly could sign Halladay to an extension but not Cliff Lee. It’s like asking if you’d rather have a hurricane-making machine or a typhoon-making machine. If you’ve got a machine that’s capable of making disasterous weather patterns, I don’t think it matters which way the storm spins.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Dec 14, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't exactly straight up either

Seems they are giving up Cliff Lee, Kyle Drabek and Travis D’Arnaud. One of Happ/Blanton is possible also.

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Um trade strings please RJ

for this trade if it happens….. Phils trade Marson, Carrasco, Marson and Knapp for Lee. Then trade Lee(potentially 1 or two more prospects for Halladay. Seems awful

by raysrule44 on Dec 14, 2009 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

Well

Marson, Carrasco, Donald, Knapp, Drabek, Taylor and maybe Happ for Halladay

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

ah and D'Arnaud

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats a terrible string

If they had got Halladay last year instead of Lee, you save a few of those players.

by raysrule44 on Dec 14, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Jays wanted Brown, Happ and Marson I think

Now they save Brown and lose Donald, Drabek, Taylor and D’Arnaud……

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

another update

Phillies pick up Phillipe Aumont in the deal

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by joeybw on Dec 14, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point, that's a really ridiculous string

Way to ravage the farm system. Once the deal is official and final, I’ll try and put the string together and throw it in a Fan Post (aka, tomorrow night sometime when I get the chance).

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 14, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Redic.

Why not just trade for Halladay? I mean you are already selling out your future, so you may as well go all in and try Halladay/Lee/Hamels.

by rglass44 on Dec 14, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Crawford

With the dominoes of Cameron going to Boston, I think this puts Boston directly in play for his services next year. 1 year and 8 million would be easy for Boston to move if they feel or if they already know CC is their man. The Sox basically punted on the free agent OF crop and I think Crawford is the guy Epstein covets.

Absolutely imperative the Rays get out to a fast start or the rumor mill will get out of hand fast.

I have ALWAYS liked Aumont, I wished the Rays got him and made a move for him at an earlier juncture.

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by joedobr on Dec 14, 2009 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

Philly

Is a HUGE winner in this trade getting Aumont and Halladay it would seem.

Put Tampa Bay back on our road uniforms!! Attendance is only part of revenue!!

by joedobr on Dec 14, 2009 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

More news on the traded players
The Blue Jays will trade outfielder Michael Taylor to the A’s for third base prospect Brett Wallace, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney.

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by joeybw on Dec 15, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

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