Reaction to John Lackey Potentially Joining the Boston Red Sox
Most of the time, the American League East is enjoyable. Often, the amount of love for the Red Sox and Yankees is nauseating, but as someone who gets 99% of their baseball information fix from the internet rather than the television or newspaper, I find myself often avoiding the full onslaught. Of course, the amount of money the two teams spend is nauseating by comparison as well, but then again, if they can make that much money, then why not allow them to also spend it?
Fenway Park is essentially the Mecca of baseball stadiums. The seats are ridiculously outdated and cramped and the ushers may as well go by the names Nostalgia and History. Ted Williams once played on that grass - well, that grass' grandfather - and that big wall in left is the closest thing baseball has to the Kaaba. The new Yankee Stadium is nothing if not a symbol of the Steinbrenner's unrelenting pursuit of deeper satisfaction and cultural symbolism. This trait also seems prevalent in Jerry Jones.
Downsides are common too, but I'm thankful there's a more poetic side to these rivalries. The Marlins are the cross-town rivals and frankly I see it as no big deal when the two clubs play. Even if they were in the same division I'm not sure there's much allure there. With the Yankees and Sox it's always been about beating the best. The shift in atmosphere is pretty resounding. No longer is there a foreign vibe of "The champs are here!" but rather, "Hey, this is a big divisional game." I'm not ready for that to shift back anytime soon.
Which means today is one of those days where the division sucks. Actually, the entire off-season. Not just because these two teams acquire players like Curtis Granderson. Nope, again, that's their business (even if it is an inconvenience), but because their fans always get into a pissing match about everything. If the Red Sox do sign John Lackey today, every Red Sox and Yankee blog, radio station, and watering hole is going to spend the rest of the off-season arguing over which rotation is better. Try as a I may to avoid it, somewhere it will pop up. Probably the FanGraphs comments section because they hate me.
While they do their bickering, they'll ignore one of the bigger impacts this potential signing will bring. For the second year in a row a division rival will not only add a Blue Jays Type-A free agent, but add him at the expense of a pick beyond the first round. Remember when the Yankees signed A.J. Burnett then signed other free agents and Toronto didn't get a pick until the third? Well, Boston would push Toronto's pick back until at least the second, and further if they also grab Matt Holliday.
Lackey is pretty good. Over the last three years his highest xFIP is 3.99 and his lowest is 3.88. He's basically an older version of James Shields with more wear and tear. He's also like a younger version of Medusa because those who stare him in the face usually turn into stone. A lot of these folk will mention his spotty record against the Yankees (5-7, 4.66 ERA) or his troubles at Fenway (5.75 ERA) but don't buy into it. Small sample size and park factors make those numbers even more meaningless than they already are.
Lackey's fastball is pretty mediocre. He throws it (and everything else) for strikes though, which keeps batters off balance. His breaking pitches are about the only pitches worth their weight in whiffs - with the slider being especially tough. I suppose the Rays' version of the upside is that Lackey is more of a health risk than the average pitcher. He's missed parts of the last two years with injuries and joins not-so-reliable-arms like Josh Beckett, Tim Wakefield, and Daisuke Matsuzaka. Pitcher injuries are pretty unpredictable though.
Regardless, A) he shouldn't be paid as much as Burnett was last off-season and B) I think the over/under for his 2010 xFIP should be set at 4.00 no matter where he winds up.
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Hopefully the Angels bring him back last minute
Also, we may see the blockbuster to end all blockbusters go down soon. A 3/4 team deal involving Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee
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maybe our spending spree continues with Lee? Probably not.
Great article too, my sentiments exactly it sucks but it’s better than winning a weak division, makes every success that much sweeter.
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 14, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Rather the Angels and Mets sign Holliday and Bay before Boston goes looking for more.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 14, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Ya
but Nick Johnson/Beltre is pretty bad for us too, though no Holliday.
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 14, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think they get Bay or Holliday
im more worried that this signing may lead to Buchholz + spects for Adrian Gonzalez
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how have we been against Lackey?
We own Halladay
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god damnit
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Maybe Lackey's success is because of his pitching for LAA
We suck against LAA
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by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
We own Halladay, I wouldn't want to see another good lefty in the ALE
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 14, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I hate you, right now
Much like the day you lost your virginity, I’m too exhausted to fight you anymore.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 14, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
So Lee is a Mariner and Halladay is a Phillie
I wonder who the prospects are
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I'm gonna miss Halladay
We always beat him, regardless of logic. Mariners are turning into a freaking machine though, Angels look to be in trouble.
LOL @ Blue Jays they’re gonna finish in last
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by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I know, right?
WTF happened to the Epic Failiners?
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Id imagine
M’s gave up Aumont(Canadian) and that tall outfielder from the M’s who played us last year Michael something.
Saunders
I am sure the Jays asked for Ackley but I doubt the Mariners gave him up.
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That'd be like us trading Longoria
Especially since they can’t score any runs
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by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
No one asked for Ackley. He cannot be traded for a year after signing and he didn't sign until late August.
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oh really?
I could of sworn he was offered for Adrian Gonzalez but I guess it was gasp a fake rumor
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Well, shit
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Man if I was a Angel fan, I would be PISSED
Lackey gone
Lee to the Mariners
Halladay isn’t coming
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Angels are rumored to get Matsui
and they lost Lackey, Figgins, and Vlad
Weaver – Kazmir – Saunders – Santana – Winner of ST competition isn’t very scary
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Angels need Beltre badly to fix that infield
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
from what I hear, Wood is their 3B next season
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he has a lot of power potential
Hasn’t had a shot in the bigs really. They want another Morales.
He will probably k a lot, play average at best defense and hit a good amount of homers
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Hmm
Could be problematic for them this year.
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
His defense might be a bit better than average
He was a long-time shortstop. Avg to below avg at short, but that often translates into a good 3B, as long as the arm is there.
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That'd be nice if we played the Angels 18 games a year
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i know
Mariners are going to win that division easy.
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Or they at least should
I worry about that offense
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Felix Hernendez and Cliff Lee has to be the best 1-2 in baseball
Only Lincecum – Cain come close
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Anyone wanna guess what the Mariners gave up?
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I can't imagine very much
They need their hitters, maybe 1-2 pitcher, 1-2 positions players/prospects
Phillies I think are holding down the bulk cost
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by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Morrow will be part of the deal I think
but god knows who else
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Morrow and either Aumont or Saunders
Jays love those Canadian kids
by Jason Collette on Dec 14, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Lee will be a one and done
He’s a Yankee in ’11—Book it
He and Sabathia are best of friends
I doubt he stays with the Mariners
they are trying to lock up Felix, dont know if they will keep both
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They can't keep both
Too much $$$
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by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
But supposedly Lee wants big $$$
Can they afford 35-40M in pitching for 2 guys?
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by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ok so Lee's agent has no idea where this rumor came from
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in bigger news
Claudio Vargas resigns with the brewers. Thoughts?
biggest news of the day I think
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i know. i was stunned when i saw it
thought he would hold off until the bigger FA signed to get a market for where he was at. He really got impatient
BAD DECISIONS ARE AFOOT BATMAN
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by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
It's times like these I root for arm injuries...
Not beause I hate Lackey, he still gets paid. I just want the Soz to have to eat that contract.
Don't root for injury
Just root for sucking
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I know...
But this is the crap I hate about the AL East. Having one of the top 3 or 4 teams in baseball(on paper), and having a dificult time cracking the playoffs.
Him?
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 14, 2009 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
On Escobar
that other site says we are looking to clear DL spots before moving in on Escobar. Huh?
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i dont see it on their site
i got a text from their tweeter saying that
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I'm seeing 3 open spots on the 40 man...
So not sure why they would have to clear DL spots.
Some news
http://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/6674641214
Jays will get Aumont, Michael Taylor and more
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No Holliday or Bay
Sox going after Cameron
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Is this one real? can it actually be
However, the perception the Cubs will have more money to spend on free agents and trades by moving Bradley is false. Bradley and Burrell will make $9 million in 2010 — that’s a wash — whatever money Jim Hendry saves on Bradley’s 2011 contract will not impact $1 of his 2010 payroll. Bradley’s owed $12.5 million in 2011. If Hendry can save $6.5 million by eating $6 million, that will only help the person running the 2011 team.
Unfortunately for Hendry, if he doesn’t get extra money to sign a solid set-up man and a good center fielder, someone else will be running the Cubs in 2011.
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has to be feeling the pressure to trade him ASAP
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I dunno if anyone would take him now
Winter Meetings passed, and there were only like few teams that would take him to start with.
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by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't he give the 136M to Soriano?
It took this long to get fired?
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by Transplanted on Dec 14, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
hey man, he cant play D and his offense is not too special
oh wait……thats a bad thing.
Zambrano is good but overpaid also
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J.A Happ and Blanton both took physicals
damn, how much did the Phillies actually trade?
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lolz
I don’t like this one motherf*cking bit. Halladay has never pitched in the playoffs.
There’s no reason to get rid of Cliff Lee, who just spent the last few months pistol-whipping the entire NL, for someone who is unproven at best and struggled down the stretch this past season. The only ONLY reason to do this would be if Lee gave Amaro the middle finger and took a dump in his morning corn flakes after Ruben broached the subject of an extension.
Hate it, hate it, hate it.
If I were stupider, and a Phillies fan, I might believe this too.
I have a hard time understanding how Philly could sign Halladay to an extension but not Cliff Lee. It’s like asking if you’d rather have a hurricane-making machine or a typhoon-making machine. If you’ve got a machine that’s capable of making disasterous weather patterns, I don’t think it matters which way the storm spins.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
It wasn't exactly straight up either
Seems they are giving up Cliff Lee, Kyle Drabek and Travis D’Arnaud. One of Happ/Blanton is possible also.
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Um trade strings please RJ
for this trade if it happens….. Phils trade Marson, Carrasco, Marson and Knapp for Lee. Then trade Lee(potentially 1 or two more prospects for Halladay. Seems awful
Well
Marson, Carrasco, Donald, Knapp, Drabek, Taylor and maybe Happ for Halladay
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ah and D'Arnaud
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Thats a terrible string
If they had got Halladay last year instead of Lee, you save a few of those players.
Jays wanted Brown, Happ and Marson I think
Now they save Brown and lose Donald, Drabek, Taylor and D’Arnaud……
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another update
Phillies pick up Phillipe Aumont in the deal
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Good point, that's a really ridiculous string
Way to ravage the farm system. Once the deal is official and final, I’ll try and put the string together and throw it in a Fan Post (aka, tomorrow night sometime when I get the chance).
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 14, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Crawford
With the dominoes of Cameron going to Boston, I think this puts Boston directly in play for his services next year. 1 year and 8 million would be easy for Boston to move if they feel or if they already know CC is their man. The Sox basically punted on the free agent OF crop and I think Crawford is the guy Epstein covets.
Absolutely imperative the Rays get out to a fast start or the rumor mill will get out of hand fast.
I have ALWAYS liked Aumont, I wished the Rays got him and made a move for him at an earlier juncture.
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Philly
Is a HUGE winner in this trade getting Aumont and Halladay it would seem.
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More news on the traded players
The Blue Jays will trade outfielder Michael Taylor to the A’s for third base prospect Brett Wallace, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney.
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Wow Brett Wallace is a stud
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions

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