Report: "Milton Bradley will be traded to the Tampa Bay Rays for Pat Burrell"
by Tommy Rancel on Dec 15, 2009 10:00 AM EST
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Somethings just never die: Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees, and the Milton Bradley to Tampa Bay trade rumors are just some examples. Recently, things have cooled down on the Bradley front. I feel like it's almost been a week since we had a "Bradley deal imminent" story posted. Fear not, Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago has us covered.
Sooner or later, and most likely as soon as this week, beleaguered Milton Bradley will be traded to the Tampa Bay Rays for Pat Burrell.
The grain of salt rule applies as we've heard this same story about 100 times now. Levine also brings up the difference with dollars, which we all know is the biggest hurdle this trade must overcome.
However, the perception the Cubs will have more money to spend on free agents and trades by moving Bradley is false. Bradley and Burrell will make $9 million in 2010 -- that's a wash -- whatever money Jim Hendry saves on Bradley's 2011 contract will not impact $1 of his 2010 payroll. Bradley's owed $12.5 million in 2011. If Hendry can save $6.5 million by eating $6 million, that will only help the person running the 2011 team
It seems like this is pure speculation on Levine's part, but if the Cubs are only willing to pick up $6 million of the 2011 tab, then this deal won't get done. The Rays already stretched the 2010 budget for Rafael Soriano. I doubt they would want to carry $6+ million for Bradley on the 2011 books.
In the end, it seems like nothing has changed since late September.
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$6 mil in 2011 too much for TB?
Really? $6 million for Bradley next year might not be such a bad thing. It certainly isn’t absurd.
by Harry Pavlidis on Dec 15, 2009 10:07 AM EST reply actions
There's a lot coming off the books next year. But I still doubt it.
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 15, 2009 10:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's 39.75m. There's no doubt about it; this is by design. They're not picking up $6m for 2011.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Think of it as a $6M free agent signing a year early
Assuming he doesn’t spend the whole season injured, $6M even for ineffective Bradley is still a very good value.
Obviously the Rays need to negotiate for the best deal they can get, but the fact they can’t pay $6M in 2011 is pure hogwash. Smells like bullcrap to me.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
This isn't an issue of can't, it's an issue of won't.
I’m convinced that when team payroll drops more then 50% due to expring contracts, it’s not a coincidence. I don’t expect the team to be signing any major free agents in 2011; that includes $6m to help the Cubs with Milton Bradley. If I had to guess, the Rays are looking at taking no more then half that, and might be willing to do $4m if the Cubs offered that, but no more.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Of course it's not a coincidence
But Bradley should be treated as a one-year free agent signing in terms of the 2011 budget. The only big ‘holes’ the team will have to fill that year are 1B and CL. Crawford gets replaced by Jennings. Wheeler gets replaced by Hellickson. Burrell gets replaced by Bradley. If Bartlett is traded, he’s replaced by Brignac. Everyone else is locked up.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
And even with salaries rising by about $12M
the $17M difference left over should be more than enough to fill those two holes.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
"Wheeler gets replaced by Hellickson"
What.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 15, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand tis either, QUE?
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by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
There are 12 pitchers on the team
Assuming Hellickson spends most of this year in AAA (likely) and that he doesn’t suddenly start sucking, then one of those 12 pitching spots will be taken by Hellickson next year, whether he’s in the rotation or in the bullpen. if he makes it in the rotation, it just pushes a starter into Wheeler’s role. Either way, he replaces Wheeler, and there isn’t a need to go out and spend to replace him.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Your writing implied he would become a set-up man. Which would be a disappointment.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 15, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
sorry for the confusion
That’s not how I intended it to read. I meant he would fill that roster spot, and presumably Niemann or someone received in exchange for one of the six starters would take Wheeler’s spot.
Best case scenario, Hellickson DOES become a middle reliever for a year or two. That would mean that we have five starters more valuable than him, and that the team is so good that the marginal value of a win is high enough that it’s worth more to convert a surplus starter into a reliever than to trade him for a position player.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Your absolutely insane if you think that 3 rookies are just going to plop in and produce as well as 2 all-stars and an experienced, skilled veteran.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I don't think he is saying they will play at the same level.
They will just take those roster spots. Although I don’t know what the Wheeler/Hellickson is all about.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 15, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know how you interpret it
But when you refer to ‘big holes’ as 1B and closer, the two positions where there is not a direct replacement in the minors for, I don’t know how else you could interpret that other then ‘players who can approach their productivity levels.’
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Yes
This is what I mean. I don’t mean they’ll necessarily replace the production, but they’ll take over the roster spots and forego the need to spend on the free agent market to replace them. There will be about $17 million left in the budget to fill 2 holes and to make potential upgrades, even if the Cubs only kick in the $4M we’ve been hearing. That seems like more than enough to me.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I agree with this
at 6 mil next year id like bradley.
Actually it could be more like 44.45, or more.
Correct me if I’m wrong, But with CC, Pena, Soriano, Burrell, Wheeler (opt.), Balfour, Kapler, & Choate, that totals 44.45, and doesn’t include the possible trade of Barty which could up the cut to about $48MM +.
Of course that could leave a few more holes in the pen too. If that’s the case, I could see them eventually anteing 6 for MB.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Dec 15, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
I only counted the top 5 guys; CC, Pena, Soriano, Burrell, and Wheeler. I don't think the team re-signs any of them.
Balfour likely would be resigned, but yeah, the team has the potential to really shed a hell of a lot of payroll.
The scary thing is, even with those losses, this is still probably an 80 win team. Nice way to start rebuilding.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Something I'd like to see that won't happen
Rays trade Pena to an NL team for prospects, then deal with SD for AGonzalez…I know it’ll never happen, just rosterbating. But it would save the Rays money over the next 2 years and get them a type A pick in 3 years. Plus, a better bat.for 2 years for what Pena will make for one.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 16, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think the fear is that he goes bonkers and ends up in the same situation next year. I don't see it, myself.
MB is a big cuddly on-base machine, it’s the rest of the world that is the problem. My fear was that he gets hurt midway through the season and ends up only giving us 400 PA. If his projections come to pass, it would appear that 400 PA of MB would be better than 600 of PtB. There would certainly appear to be more risk associated with that 6M than someone like Mike Cameron making similar money.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
You have a valid point
If the Rays were willing to pony up more than that last year for Bradley on a multi-yr deal , how much has changed? AF is really just playing high stakes poker with a FO on tilt.
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 15, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
AF is on the button
Position in this game is a major factor.
How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 15, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Damn
Got me excited for nothing!
by PhillyRays on Dec 15, 2009 10:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah me too
Saw “will” instead of “may” in big bold letters…
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Dec 15, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
MB in TB will work, because of BJ and CC.
MB worked in Texas because of drug friend Josh Hamilton (because isn’t it obvious that the blacks like drugs?). BJ and CC may not be druggies, but they’re black, and that’s cool. Cubs didn’t work because Fukudome has vowed to never dishonor is family by befriending a black… he’d rather die via Seppuku with honor and dignity, and Reed Johnson is obvious skinhead is obvious.
by Doug09 on Dec 15, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Blacks don't really dig nose-snow.
It’s more likely to work here with BJ and CC because of weed and Shlitz.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Can't wait til the hicks in our fan base call Milton a wifebeater.
Then sing the lyrics to Low when Aybar comes up.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 15, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't Aybar change his music this year when he turned heel?
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 15, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
His new song doesn't include strippers :(
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 15, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh, all this talk of music has caused me to have depressing visions of Navi twirling his bat around his head
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 15, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Shoppach's 2008 Music
Song: “Come With Me” by Puff Daddy and Jimmy Page; “Save A Horse” by Big & Rich
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 15, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Is that the one that Page got paid like 20000 billions of dollars to let a no talent ass clown use the Kashmir riff?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yessir
Used same songs in 09
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 15, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
At least the Trampled Underfoot riff hasn't been sampled as far as I know
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Easily my favorite Led Zep song, though watching Gov't. Mule play No Quarter this summer
on a fuzzy head was pretty damn entertaining.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a huge fan of the cover, but their version of The Shape I'm In has a pretty sweet No Quarter type organ.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 15, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
"The Song Remains the Same" for my money
“I had a dream, crazy dream…”
by nyyfaninlaaland on Dec 16, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of that
How come nobody uses The Undertakers walk up music? I’m pretty sure THIS would be the awesomest song ever to step up to the plate. Also, holy cow Umaga died, why was this not all over the news?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
CRASH
Stone Cold’s was the best. We convinced Alin Dykstra to come out to it a few times in college. It was awesome.
Because WWE released him about 18 months ago for being a junkhead and refusing rehab.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
As in Heroin? Or as in a fan of super awesome band Alice in Chains?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know what he tested positive of; it was reported that he failed a drug test and refused to go to rehab, so they voided his contract.
You know, I could say being a fan of AIC and it still really wouldn’t tell you which one it was.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Oh, I forgot the point I was making.
So yeah, WWE releases him, so when he died, there wasn’t a story there to rake WWE over the coals with; they’d already given him his last chance.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Yeah I got that, my ability to read between the lines is probably an 8 our of 10
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
But not all situations in which you need to read between the lines are equal
You need some linear weighting, and a little bit of regression to the mean. I bet your wRBTL is no higher than a .360 (on an OBP scale) when league- and forum- adjusted.
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Dec 15, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
So I'm well above average.
Like we needed the nerd talk to know that
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
He had just toured Australia with the Hulkster and Nature Boy
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 15, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
What's my drug of choice?
Well what have you got?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Forget hitters, this would be perfect for Soriano in the 9th. He just needs to learn The Undertaker's eye roll/
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by steve-o1285 on Dec 15, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man I didn't even think of a closer
He’d have more time as he trots in so people could hear more than a few seconds. Anyone that works for the Rays that is reading this needs to recommend this to Raffy.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I've always wished some players would have a light sense of humor and just walk up to something wholly inappropriate.
Whether that be wrestling music, Something so explicit that the entire entity of the clip is bleeped out, or Barney’s ‘I love You’, I don’t care. Something that will make me laugh every few days.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Not THAT stretched
What, $35 million of payroll comes off the books in 2011, between Pena, Burrell, Soriano, Wheeler, Crawford? If we’re still paying $6M of his 2011 salary, it just cuts into that number is all.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I don't think the Rays want to be committed
To Bradley in 2011 just incase it doesn’t work out. If Cubs assume the $12 million difference they can just cut Bradley and it would be the same as Burrell hitting free agency. If it works, than he’s free in 2011. I think they want that flexibility of having no money tied into the DH position in 2011 and I can’t argue with that.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 15, 2009 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ah damn
I got a tweet that said “Report Burrell traded for Bradley” and got excited
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See, your twitter
Sucks for some reason
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by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
nah it had this title, I just thiought they actually finally made the trade
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Might be time for a nappy poo
Your eyes must be exhausted
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
The day this trade happens, I will put down a deposit on season tickets.
by ReasonableDoubt on Dec 15, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions
It's going to happen. It's just a matter of when the Cubs cave on the few million dollars we're bickering over.
And they’ll have to cave because there are no other suitors for him. Either that or him and Lou are going to have to play nice, and nobody believes that can happen.
Tools Whore
they are already lost Cameron
before they lose Byrd/OF type and a back end RP, they need to trade Bradley so it’s time for Hendry to save his job
we took his eeeer job
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DEY TOOK ER JRRBSSS
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 15, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
My guess is
1. Jason Bartlett SS R
2. Carl Crawford LF L
3. Evan Longoria 3B R
4. Carlos Pena 1B L
5. Ben Zobrist 2B S
6. Milton Bradley DH S
7. B.J Upton CF R
8. Matt Joyce RF L
9. Kelly Shoppach C R
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thats sick
that has to be one of the better lineups in all of baseball from top to bottom
I remember saying the same thing about this lineup about this time last year
Upton
Crawford
Longoria
Pena
Burrell
Gross/Kapler
Navarro
Aki
Bartlett
Point being, anything can happen.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
he will platoon RF, at least until Joyce hits lefties
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That bitch isn't playing outfield. That's a great way to throw away several million dollars.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
hmm?
I mean Joyce and Kapler
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We're more than likely going to be platooning 2 or more positions this year.
You’ll get used to it.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 15, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
As he's been doing his whole life?
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 15, 2009 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I will let Reasonable Doubt put a deposit down on season tickets if this happens.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 15, 2009 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i would love to get those 2
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cubs going hard after Byrd http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/cubs-step-up-pursuit-of-marlon-byrd.html
better trade Bradley here before you sign him
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Per the Rotoworld gimmick on DRb per MLB
Talbot or Joe Cruz will be PTBNL for Shoppach. Great trade!
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i had hopes for Joe Cruz
but he is far down on the pitching depth chart of the organization, i bet it is Talbot
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Yea, no disrespect to either pitcher
We are between a rock and a hard place on Talbot, and Cruz is so far down the food chain at this point.
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I dunno much about Cruz but Talbot has 95% chance of being waived after ST, so I have no problem dealing him
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Cruz pitched in Low A last year
was pretty decent, but was the 3rd best of his rotation, behind Matt Moore and Nick Barnese
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so the guy is behind our current 5, Sonny, Hellickson, Talbot, Rodriguez, Moore, Barnese and if he stays a SP, McGe?
good luck to him
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And he may be a level ahead currently
but I would think Lobstein and Colome are also infront
Yeah we have some depth
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we have unbelieveable depth
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Probably McEachern as well
Possibly also Rodriguez.
There’s an embarrassment of riches with lower level pitching in this organization.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
What the hell?
@jcrasnick With Brett Wallace now a Blue Jay, does this mean that Lyle Overbay is soon to be a former Blue Jay? That’s the speculation out there.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 15, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions
possibly to the M's?
they would make alot of sense
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M's are a option
the Braves need a 1B with power also
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Is there another Brett Wallace I don't know about?
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 15, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
He was traded for Michael Taylor last night/this morning.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 15, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
BIG GULPS.
Did not know that.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 15, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Wallace is more of a 1st baseman than a 3rd baseman
probably a future DH for Toronto, with Cooper the future at 1st
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What do they do with Lind/Snider then?
Could be some nice bats for Cito in a year.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
corner OF'ers I guess
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Cito has to let Sinder, ya know, actually play first.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 15, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Per MLBTR:
What’s next? A Matt Wieters for David Price deal? Crazy last couple days…
Why do you kill threads????
by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
90% of their readers need to walk into a burning building.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 15, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Two MLBTR readers walk into a building.
YOU THINK ONE OF THEM WOULD HAVE SEEN IT. BULLY BULLY BULLY BULLY!
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 15, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
were we there to watch Chapman throw today?
he reached 96MPH with his fastball
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/chapman-works-out-in-front-of-15-teams.html#comments
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We have so many stud SP's
Just as long as he doesn’t sign with Boston or New York
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even the Marlins are said to be in on him
if the Rays feel that he is going to be special they will spend to get him, i believe
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Niemann to the pen?
If that happens, I REALLY have no idea how Hellickson ever fits in
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Davis was rumored to be shopped in Halladay rumors
which i think mean they view Hellickson to be ready in 2011
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There's about a 0.1% chance the Rays sign him.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 15, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly im not that interested in him for the Rays
he have alot of pitching that will be ready in the next couple of years, if anything we need more positon prospects
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I can list the top 10 very easily
we should deal some high potential arms for needs like next season.
1. James Shields
2. Matt Garza
3. David Price
4. Jeff Niemann
5. Wade Davis
6. Jeremy Hellickson
7. Andy Sonnanstine
8. Aneury Rodriguez
9. Alex Torress
10. Matt Moore
HM: Barnese, Lobstein, Colome, etc…..
Wait werent we the team that dealt Kazmir, Jackson and Hammell?
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i would put Torres above Rodriguez
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maybe but Rodriguez will prob be in AAA this year, Torress will most likely get a mid season promotion to Durham
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i think Torres has alot more upside
which is also the Rays thinking in Protecting Torres over Rodriguez
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Red Sox reportedly already offered him $15.5M
Before he even threw his bullpen session
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I am thinking of that Chapman thing
with scouts from so many teams, they were prob in the stands having a mini winter meeting
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Or
Since scouts don’t have any of the responsibilities of general managers, having nothing like a mini winter meeting.
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The Mets are close to signing Japanese pitcher Ryota Igarashi to a two-year deal
who?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/mets-to-sign-ryota-igarashi.html
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Ahhahaha
I know that mlb tbr m.boards had them wanting to sign RYOTA for some reason – I was also wondering the same thing.
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by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
likely set-up man for the mets i guess
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Oh god, I was just thinking and now I feel bad for Cub fans
their OF could very well be Soriano – Byrd – Burrell…..
fuckyoudome is no savior on the bench either
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haha didnt they give Fukudome 4/48?
god the cubs are retarded
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Well at least they only owe Soriano 96 mil more
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They could be the royals.
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by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
even the Royals are smarter than them
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their long term signings do work out better
Meche turned out pretty well. Jose Guillen didnt make THAT much
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Guillen is at least in the last year of his contract
and they did do something smart in sign Arguelles
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Yeah
That was really smart, say weren’t we interested in a cuban prospect- I forget his name?
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by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Sano?
I think he is with the Twins
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Sano's last name is actually Jean
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No, Someone else
A pitcher.
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by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Tis
The White Sox acquired Juan Pierre from the Dodgers for two minor league pitchers, according to Yahoo’s Tim Brown (and confirmed by Ken Rosenthal).
Guess, they really want a lead off man.
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by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions
Dodgers are picking up 3M this year and 5M next year
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Every time someone rips on Juan Pierre, he turns around and presents himself as a viable option.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I can't believe you can even put a spin on that deal
HOW DO YOU DO IT, RED SOX FANS?
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by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
NY papers are all over the Mets for not signing him
Nevermind that he is A) Injury prone B)Now making 17 mil a year and C) not all that great
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i think the Mets will sign Marquis and Bay in the next week
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poor Angels are losing out on everything, I hear they will prob trade for Derek Lowe now
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ya i heard that they might offer Rivera for Lowe
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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/john-lackey-inks-with-boston
Karl says:
December 14, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Great deal for the Sox. The article says teams were looking at him as a top of the rotation guy, but obviously not. The Sox clearly intend to pencil him in as a #3 guy, givign them a 1-4 of Lester-Beckett-Lackey-Bucholz. Now that’s a playoff rotation. And it makes up for the worries about Dice-K and Wake. Its a great move, at a very reasonable price. This article seems like it would havebeen worded differently if the Mariners had actually landed him.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Wakefield is gonna be a shitty RP
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if they trade Bucholz then he goes back into the rotation
just hope it isnt for a-gon
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Why?
Not preparing for a guy who throws 60, and then suddenly seeing a knuckleballer? That would throw me off a lot more than knowing a knuckleballer is starting. Of course, it could throw off the catcher as well. But from a logical perspective, it makes more sense for a knuckleballer to be a reliever than a starter, a la Hoyt Wilhelm. Considering how little strain they put on their arms (relatively), you could have a good knuckleballer still pitch 100 – 150 innings as a reliever, in turn saving the rest of the pen quite a bit.
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by Samwise Sutty on Dec 15, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when someone wrote an open letter to me because I said Houston was a fake contender?
I never thought that piece would get any argument.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 15, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I have it on my fridge, right where everybody can see it, buddy! Your mom is VERY proud of you for predicting Houston wouldn't make the playoffs.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 15, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
How do you find time to craft such witty comments in between all your time getting facefuls of tit with Stylez G?
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by Samwise Sutty on Dec 15, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
@RealNameSuttree: lmao Charity just grabbed the bacon off my plate lmao
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by Samwise Sutty on Dec 15, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone hear Pinella on Bradley?
He didnt lie or get all political like all general managers/managers
“It is no secret we want him gone, Tampa is a good fit for him, hopefully we can make a deal soon”
How the hell can he ever come back to Chicago?
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Fan fucking tastic.
Tampa* resident reppin.
- - St Pete whatevs
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Not sure this is the right place, I might make a fanpost, but this might be one of the driest, better reads I've seen
about Run Per Game Standard Deviation having a large effect on win percentage. Kind of a hard read if you don’t have the background, but really, really interesting stuff.
http://www.dugoutcentral.com/?p=125
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 3:58 PM EST reply actions
So you're saying sternfan was right.
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FreeZo made a good case for him a few months back IIRC, and it was one of his less-debatable points.
Also, a lot of the argument came from the fact that he somehow thinks there’s a way to make the team less streaky, as if there’s some kind of shelf of talent level in the Majors where the Rays offense destroyed that level but couldn’t compete against the elites.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I think that was my bigger flaw in the argument
It’s not like taking a can of corn out of the cupboard instead of a can of peas. The author does state that there is a significant advantage to fielding a team that has an advantage in SLG, which is kind of intuitive, but still nice to see work done on it.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 15, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
A good case for who?
My points are usually highly debatable? I’m confused.
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It translates to: I'm going to send you to Disney World.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Failed for not getting the anti-semeticism in my comment.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I'm more interested in your sexual deviancy than your loathing for the Jooos.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 15, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don't hate jews. I just wish they sold them covered in chocolate.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Actual explination:
Sternfan was making a point about the Rays underperforming because they were a streaky offense. At the end of the season, someone (who I thought was you) wrote a piece talking about the radical standard deviation in the Rays RPG. I recall people arguing with him because #1 he didn’t have any numbers to back it up and #2 he basically attributed that the offense was awful because it was streaky and the team needed new players to fix it and ‘compete’.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
This?
Basically, Pythag is higher b/c it includes context .91 vs .83. Context was def. the Rays downfall, so that is pretty much a big endorsement of statistical noise and not talent being the Rays demise.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right Context is generally not an indicator of individual’s true talents. Critical in deciding outcomes but mostly due to chance. The Rays were the extreme victims of context, and thats why there is a lot of small ball chatter.
That being said I think there is work that could be done to evaluate high BB/K lineups and its effect on run variance.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 8, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I recalled a fanpost. It might not have been you, I don't remember, and I don't care to fight enough to remember either.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Question sports fans--if the Cubs sign Btrd how is this
ab ibdication Bradley is coming?
They’d have Soriano, Fukkudome, Byrd and Burrell
Soriano back to 2B
no, not really.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
oh, watch this video
especially starting at the 5 minute mark
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7143719&topic_id=7417714
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Also
If you are there- Check Out Joe maddon’s comments on David and 2009
Why do you kill threads????
by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
RJ weeps
* The Mariners hope to bring the recently-non-tendered Ryan Langerhans back, according to Ryan Divish of the Tacoma News Tribune.
I'd be surprised if they traded for Bradley.
Sounds to me that the Rays decided last week to pass on Bradley once they traded for Soriano. 6 million to add to what I believe will be a payroll in the mid 50’s in 2011 makes it hard for me to believe that the Rays would take on Bradley for two years even if the Cubs help out in 2011. As I stated before the front office is probably using 2011 bucks to help pay for the 2010 payroll. The Rays have some big time arbitration cases coming up in 2011 so taking on 6 million for Bradley is not only a risk but most likely out of the Rays price range.
Probably
I’m not that concerned with it as the Rays already have 5 picks in the first two rounds next draft. I bet they only sign three tops whether it’s 5 or 6 picks.
Noob question
The picks that are carrying over, are those must signs? Or will the pick carry over again to the next draft if an agreement is not reached?
The only picks that wouldn't carry over are the two we get for LeVon and Diekroeger.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 15, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
He hates us
and needs more shoes.
Why do you kill threads????
by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
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