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"Fernando Perez is running behind on rehab after October surgery on his left shoulder.
Perez should be ready for Opening Day, but any delay hurts his chances of sticking with the big league club as a backup outfielder. The speedster figures to open the season at Triple-A Durham.
Source: St. Petersburg Times
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He injured his shoulder during he same dive he injured his wrist.
Apparently the injury either went unnoticed or didn’t require immediate surgery, but this doesn’t look too good.
Umm
He took the surgery this offseason to correct the shoulder at least- I saw an article stating him and Navi were both having surgeries in the offseason.
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by 4QB on Dec 2, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
He hurt the shoulder when he hurt the wrist, but was able to play with it.
I’m pretty sure it’s the same surgery B.J. had last offseason
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I wonder if that information was available to the Rays earlier
and was part of the decision to move so quickly (and for many, so unexpectedly) to re-sign Kapler.
I would guess it had something to do with it.
Although I do wonder whether Kapler at the same price would’ve been signed no matter the status of Perez.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 2, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
I, too, had big plans for the Joyce/Nando OF.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 2, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are discounting baserunning and defense
It’s absurd to think that Kapler can provide as much at 1.5M as Perez can at 400K. Kapler is going to get another 100 PA’s next year and hit .230/.330/.400 while being slightly above average in RF and below average in CF. Nando would be better at both positions with the glove and get on base at a better rate at the plate.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know that Perez is a better OBP threat
Kap will not fare as poorly in his small sample against RHP as he did this year. Perez will not reach base as often as he did in AAA in 08 (.361). In his limited time in the majors (roughly 100 PA) he is at a .301 clip.30.5% K% in AAA in 08. Thats a big hole for a little man, and could be bigger in majors.
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I agree
Its hard to envision Nando as even a regular platoon player, he is an ideal situational player thanks to excellent base running, bunting, and defense.
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I'm not sure if you guys know this, but Gabe Kapler isn't very good.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
He is not very good
He is adequate and excels vs LHP. Why are you so down on him?
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Who knows.
I can’t believe people are still pissy about giving Kapler a 1/1 deal. Mark Kotsay is going to get more than that, he’s nowhere near as good as Kapler.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
1.1 WAR player who is the lesser used half of a platoon will play for the price
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I prefer a healthy Fernando Perez
If we’re talking max 25% playing time, give me the guy with the better glove that can be used much better situationally. Almost all of Kapler’s value came from his UZR contribution, which was the highest of his esteemed career. I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t base UZR off of one season. He’s probably more of a 1-3 type defender than the 6 he put up in 09. If we’re going to have a guy that is barely above replacement, I would rather have the younger guy that plays consistently better defense and could be a weapon on the basepaths.
Take out Kapler’s 15 PH PA where he went bonkers and you’ve got a slash of .237/.320/.412/.732 with a .324 wOBA. He was awful for stretches with the only saving grace being a good year with the glove in RF that I don’t see him carrying forward. I like Kapler, and if it’s true that they made a move once finding out about Nando’s surgery then I really like the move, but if I had to choose between a healthy Perez and Kapler, I will take Perez every day of the week.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
That's somewhat dishonest.
Last year was his highest UZR because he received more playing time in the outfield than he has in years. His UZR/150 over his last three seasons: 14, 11, 6. 5-4-3 that and you get 11. Take away a few runs because of aging and regression and you still have an above average defender.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I prefer UZR over /150 when it comes to smaller samples like this
He was -1.6 in LF, -.5 in CF, and 7.9 in RF for an overall of 5.8. As I said I don’t put stock in UZR at 556 innings. It would take at least 6x that to get a reasonable enough sample. Let’s say he is 1-3, putting him above average, but his bat is well below average for a corner outfielder. If you’re going to punt the stick, why not go with the guy that is a much better defensive outfielder. As I qualified above, Nando’s hurt wing makes it a moot point, and it was a good move to bring Kapler back, but if Nando doesn’t get surgery, Kapler isn’t on this team.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
B.c you can punt with Shane Lechler or punt with Dirk Johnson
Kaper vs LHP is not punting. He was 1.1 WAR last year with a high UZR, yes, but he was comically below his norms vs RHP.
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Care to make a wager?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I'll say that Kapler ends up with less than 1 WAR in 2010
You can make the stakes if you agree to take the over.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
No, I don't know his role yet
If you want to set some rate stats I could be interested
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If Kapler's bat is "well below average for a corner outfielder" then I have some bad news about Fernando Perez for you.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure if you guys know this, but Fernando Perez's bat is less than isn't very good.
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I think you have to be extremely optimistic about his bat catching on quickly
To have him overall be the better player than Kapler in 2010.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
His legs are his weapon
He’s a good bunter and if Kapler is a +6 defender, then Perez is easily +15. Is Kapler’s shitstick 9 runs better than Perez’s’sz’z’es
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
So, Perez is a +15 defense over 600 innings?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Because that would make him a ~30 run defender over 1,200 innings.
That’s Franklin Gutierrez’ 2009. I think you’re overshooting him here.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
If Kapler is truly +6 then yes
If Kap is in the 1-3 range that I said he is probably closer to then Perez is probably more like an 8-12. Think more like Crawford than Gutierrez.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Kapler's like a +5. Perez is probably a +10.
Perez probably won’t be within 5 runs of Kapler’s wOBA over 300-350 PA.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
God I hope neither of them gets that many PA's.
How much value do you give to Nando being able to competently play all 3 OF positions as well as carry some value off the bench. Kapler was a great PH in 09, but there is no way that is repeatable. If the guy is going to not be starting 75% of the time, I want to still be able to use him here and there.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I don't even know how Kapler hit as a PH
But regress that and his RH numbers and I’m guessing there’s more to gain than to lose.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
He strikes out so much for little power
He is a good bunter. Perez is Gathright with twice the strikeouts and twice the ISO
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S^3, but in 08 he struck out less than 20% against lefties
A platoon would help him immensely. Honestly, I think he’s one of a lot of guys that need to give up the whole SH thing.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Batting lefty helps him get out of the box
Given that speed is his biggest asset, I’m sure he is hesitant to throw that away.
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It's also closer to the home dugout so that when he strikes out
he can just open his shoulder and start walking.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I came up with
21.9 in AAA vs LHP 08
15.6 in AA vs LHP 07
Far better than his overall #’s. Power is better from the right side as well. Seems like a no brainer to give up SH.
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What's wrong with that
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 4, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Bunting for hits is good
Sac bunts are generally bad. Bunting for hits also affects future defensive positioning possibly opening the door for a higher incidence of standard hits
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