Mitch Talbot is the Player to be Named Later
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 1:08 PM EST
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This wasn't unexpected in the least. Talbot is a fine young pitcher with a future ahead of him. Unfortunately for him, being placed as a non-elite starter in this organization when he did is the equivalent of being ... well , a non-elite third baseman within the organization for the next five-plus seasons. Yes, he could've moved to the bullpen, but in the end, he should get his chance with Cleveland.
The bright side here, not including Kelly Shoppach himself, is that the Rays won't lose Joseph Cruz and Talbot because of this deal. Consider that Talbot is out of options and it seems unlikely that he would've made the club out of spring training. In the end, Aubrey Huff has resulted in Ben Zobrist and Kelly Shoppach being on the 2010 Rays, so that's neat.
Good luck Mitch, make us proud.
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Between the Indians fans/ptbnl and the Braves fans/Brignac for Soriano
It’s almost like all eight of us Rays fans have a clue about what our team is likely to do.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 21, 2009 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey, did you ever see this HILARIOUS movie called Major League?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Did you see it's wretched sequels? Cleveland fans love to be abused.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
36 men on our 40 man.....
Elliot Johnson lacks options also. Sure do have a lot of room
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I hope we bring him back
he is a very nice guy to have on the 40 man. switch hitter with speed and some pop who can play all 8 positions.
Jennings, Hellickson, Davis, Brignac, Beckham, Moore > Your top 3
and I'm not saying stick him on the 25 man
but I’m not sure there are any better options to have sitting in AAA out on the market.
Jennings, Hellickson, Davis, Brignac, Beckham, Moore > Your top 3
He'd probably clear waivers
and if he does, he’d get as much of a chance to make the bigs again here as anywhere.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Maybe they'll give two of them to
Toe Nash and Bubba Trammell
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 22, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Bummer. I wanted to see Talbot in the pen at some point.
Oh well, guess we’ll just have to roll with our embarassment of riches when it comes to pitching prospects…
We will add a pitcher or 2 but as of now, only 11 players on the 40 man wont be active roster
Reid Brignac (him or Puffy, 1 option left each)
Desmond Jennings 3
Jeremy Hellickson 3
Jacob McGee 2
Alex Torres 3
John Jaso 1
Jose Lobaton 2
Dale Thayer 2
Justin Ruggiano 1
Fernando Perez….somehow has all 3 left
Elliot Johnson 0, will be gone when ST ends
35 people on the 40 man? Escobar please…..
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And the Indians signed Saul Rivera.
It’s like Shapiro just wants to give guys their chance. How great.
You're supposed to fix mistakes, not make them worse.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I love reading through that thread
they first think its Aybar then they joke around and say it’s Longoria and then finally, they get “serious” and say they are getting Jennings or Davis.
boy oh boy
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PTBNL can't be a player who played in the same league this year.
Aybar was never happening. Ever.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't think that applied in the offseason
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
As an Indians fan, I can promise you that none of us seriously thought it was ever Aybar, Longoria, Jennings or Davis…unless you were reading Cleveland.com
So Cleveland.com is The Heater for Tribe fans?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
B.J UPTON IS SUCH A RUDE FELLOW,
HE WOULDN"T EVEN LOOK AT ME AND ACKNOWLEDGE ME-ZOMG
Need a New Sig- LOOKING FOR IDEAS!
lol that was a great post
--Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
--Someone should slap Larry Brown and bring him back to reality..
Talbot may be the better player
But Shoppach means much more to the Rays.
Vroom vroom party starter
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by Imperialism32 on Dec 21, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Was hoping Talbot would battle Sonny for LR this ST
As it stands now, I don`t see much competition for bullpen roster spots this spring.
How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 21, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
He isn't considering all things, I think he means it more in it's cliche form
If he was considering all things he would see it as a two teams swapping a strength for a strength. The problem with being out there in so many outlets is that he has really gone from deep analysis to concise arrogance. Quality over quantity Keithy.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I know it's sacrilegious, but I'm not really a Keith Law fan.
And when you say Keithy, I think of Eric Bana stabbing the dude in the neck about a dozen times in the beginning of Chopper.
by Samwise Sutty on Dec 21, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Just saw it last week, and yeah awesome scene, glad you got the reference
I generally like what KLaw has to say, but I think he shoots from the hip a bit more these days instead of sitting down and analyzing. That tends to happen when you have to cover 30 teams and are held to an unrealistic standard of excellence.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Watch what you say on the interwebz
Last time glass (I think) knocked Law about his analysis on Neimann, he stopped by DRB to defend himself.
LAW NO LIKEY WHEN YOU RIP HIM.
I'm a Brett Favre honk so FUCK YOU!
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 21, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well Keithy is still waiting for Niemann's shoulder to shred, maybe this will be the year
I don’t see it as a rip, the man isn’t paid to cover the Indians nor the Rays, why would he sit down and actually look at the deal/teams involved when he can rely on conventional wisdom? If he’s right or wrong, it won’t be proven until 2-3 years from now when no one will remember what he said. I’m not ripping him, it’s just a low priority, why invest the time?
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Niemann was injury prone.
I don’t see why he’s unreasonable to be weary of a pitcher with such a history of injuries.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Now I'll be told to take the blinders off or take a 360 view or something else stupid.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
R.J. to DRB is Donnie Walberg to NKOTB
BAD BOY.
I'm a Brett Favre honk so FUCK YOU!
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 21, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I try.
I'm a Brett Favre honk so FUCK YOU!
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 21, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
More chill than that new cat Vanilla Ice.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I got me a Vanilla Ice haircut this afternoon.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 21, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
FINE. R.J. to DRB is Bobby Brown to New Edition
IS THIS BETTER?
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 21, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't confuse past injury with injury prone
Rice did a number on his arm and that carried over in the early part of his minor league career, but over the last 3 years he’s thrown 131/149/180.7 innings. They have been careful to not over exert him and Maddon had him on quite a few short leashes this year, if memory serves. I think that if he was with the Reds or Nats that his starts would be less managed and he may very well be injury prone, but I think the Rays have done a great job of protecting their investments at the ML level the last couple of years.
No need to be insulting, it’s not like a game is played on a calculator in a basement, or anything.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
He missed part of two seasons in the last three years with injury and you don't consider that injury prone?
Keith’s not infallible, but the point on Niemann’s durability is dead on. No matter how hard people try to ignore his past in favor of two injury free seasons.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
All pitchers are injury prone, it's what happens when you repeat a violent, unnatural act
a couple hundred times a week. Perhaps Niemann is further to the right on that curve, but while he’s been compiling innings other guys have been dropping like flies. I fully expect an Itoldyaso when he does eventually hit the DL, I just figure that other guys will probably get there first.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Aren't you the same person who writes off Winston Abreu for God knows what reason?
Yet when someone has an actual reason to think a pitcher is more prone to injury than others you’re going to write him off as lacking in knowledge?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
When did S(andy)-RockwellJackson turn into FreeZo-SF1 or Matthan vs the world
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That implies one of us is trolling for attention.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
That's right this is just an intellectual conversation to which I might add
Bitchez wanna pop shit, I pop clipz.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I like how everytime two people have more than one disagreement it's because they hate each other.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
In all fairness, I do hate you
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Aren’t you the same person who writes off Winston Abreu for God knows what reason? Yet when someone has an actual reason to think a pitcher is more prone to injury than others
This is a semi-troll.
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I was gonna do a review on Assassin’s Creed 2 but had a rough couple 2 weeks. Most likely will after the new year.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry to hear it mate, I will cease joking at your expense
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
My sources have told me that it is basically what I would expect
Style over substance, a funboy and his puter puppets showing off for almost 3 hours with not much plot, story, character development, or arc.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Where did I say that anyone was lacking in knowledge?
I’ve seen Abreu pitch and am not impressed, that’s my own personal bias. I’m biased against Talbot as well after seeing him pitch well in the minors and be less than serviceable at the Major League level. I wouldn’t trust Abreu in anything, but a low-leverage situation and we already have guys for that role. I’m glad we’re not paying him much, but I’d rather see Talbot get any opportunity that may get afforded to Winnie.
As for Niemann, isn’t it possible that our ahead-of-the-curve in everything else Front Office is cognizant of a guy that has suffered problems in the past and has an eye towards keeping him healthy? Lots of tall guys suffer injuries, I don’t see him as being any more likely to get hurt than Garza, Davis, Shields, or Hellickson (a guy that continues to flash amazing stuff when healthy, but who missed time again this year).
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I know this is focusing on a narrow part of your comment
I’m biased against Talbot as well after seeing him pitch well in the minors and be less than serviceable at the Major League level
That seems beyond you. You’re smart enough not to like, what, 10 innings of major league ball impact your view. Ugh.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen him pitch live, he's afraid to throw his fastball for strikes, perhaps
he will get more confidence in it, but I don’t want a guy on my staff that is hyper-nibbley with his FB. Go out of the zone with bendy stuff, and throw enough heaters out of the zone so that batters have to be honest, but if you can’t get ahead with the ched, then what are you going to do?
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
As for the rest.
I’m not saying the FO hasn’t taken precaution. Still, injuries happen. See: Kaz.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Right, and the best predictor is the debunked Verducci effect
Everyone is on the Injury Continuum, some further from safety than others, but pitchers get hurt. Call it attrition, TINSTAAPP, or whatever, but it happens, I’m glad that they weren’t afraid to yank Niemann early even if it hurt the pen.
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but again that's not my point.
I’m just saying, Law wasn’t out of bounds by assuming Niemann couldn’t handle a high workload given recent history.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
To bring it back on point, do you agree with his analysis:
I’d rather have Mitch Talbot than Kelly Shoppach, all things considered.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
In a vacuum, looking at age, contractual status, and not team need?
But I’m not sure you can really evaluate this deal in a vacuum. Talbot was the Rays 7th option, Shoppach is a 2 WAR catcher. Seems like a fair enough swap.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
That was my main point
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
UH OH GAYRILLA GETTIN FIRED UP
It’s a slow day, I apologize,
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think we've found TBD's secret account.
(not)
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 21, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Even in a vacuum, I disagree with KLaw there
He’s not infallable, you know. Some of his prospect lists have been pretty bad, for example.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
lol this?
http://www.draysbay.com/2009/4/2/819830/colorado-rockies-still-like-jason#13638055
I like how RJ rec’d it BTW. Jerk.
Anyway, I really liked Talbot
I remember him throwing two shutouts in the playoffs for Montgomery back in 2006(that rotation featured Niemann, Talbot, and Sonnanstine) including one against Yovani Gallardo in the finals.
Vroom vroom party starter
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hopefully Winny wins a spot in the pen
Vikings 4 the superbowl
hopefully Escobar is signed to the pen
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I still think we need to find a way to get this guy back in the fold
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:08 PM EST reply actions
would you sacrafrice the D to have him replace Kapler?
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did you see his D against Coco?
Vikings 4 the superbowl
no I love Gomer, id rather have him
but the Rays aren’t gonna waive Kapler now
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We could call the Pena/Gomer 1B platoon
Smiles and The Fist, coming to NBC next fall.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
i like it!
and NBC is taking anything with the Leno failure, lets pitch this idea to them
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I have to be honest, the show would basically just copy the plot/script of the smash hit Jake and the Fat Man,
but more of a Lethal Weapon 1 & 2 feel to it.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
shit I dont care
I just wanna make lots of money and send it to the Rays for the CC fund
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BRAWLFENSE!!!
Remember when the 3rd base coach slammed Shields? It was so brAwlful.
by Doug09 on Dec 21, 2009 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
weekly chats at MLBtr make their return at 4 EST if anyone is interested
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All I saw was words, not information, the one I attended.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
seeing the retard ideas can be funny
like asking if the Rays would trade Davis, Hellickson, Jennings, Moore and Joyce (yes all 5) for the 1 year of Halladay back when he was a Jay
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Does anyone know how much money
Cleveland sent to the Rays in the deal? I don’t remember that being mentioned in earlier reports, but perhaps I just overlooked it.
If it was at all substantial, it could explain the willingness to re-sign Navarro despite his price.
i dont believe any money was in that deal
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This is from Marc Topkin on the Heater:
“The Indians are also sending cash to the Rays to complete the Dec. 1 trade, helping offset the $2-million-or-so salary Shoppach will end up with since he is eligible for arbitration.”
didnt even know
nice
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Still in context to the roster construction, does Navarro seem like the ideal fit
vs a defensive specialist or a more proven track record vs RHP
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Perhaps Navarro was signed with Soriano and Escobar in mind?
How can you have any pudding if you havn`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Dec 21, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Reax from the broken-hearted LGT
Strange. As I see it,
1. Talbot’s worth more than I think he is, or
2. Shoppach was worth less than I thought he was, or
3. there are some as-yet-unreported elements to this trade.
Seems like entirely too much risk that Talbot will suck or get hurt, and we’ll have nothing to show for Kelly.
The most interesting thing about Mitch Talbot’s entire body of work is that he was both a Charlotte Stone Crab and a Montgomery Biscuit. He’s like a walking seafood dinner.
by FredOx on Dec 21, 2009 10:22 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
This is retarded. I’d rather have a mediocre one tool A ball player (good hitter, live arm, good defender at premium position) than a subpar out of options AAAA pitcher with no distinguishing characteristics that set him apart from Jeremy Sowers.
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by world dictator on Dec 21, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My gut reaction is this: I was wrong. I thought that Shoppach was a valuable player, certainly one of the best 30 catchers in the game, but the market doesn’t support that. I certainly thought he was more valuable than a partial year of Carl Pavano (and yes considering their salary status), but he just got traded for a Pino without the options, someone coming off an elbow issue. I understand that Talbot may have been a better choice than Cruz, and that there is always a chance that maybe he’ll magically become a star. But that guy, with no options, for Shoppach. I was wrong, wrong, wrong.
by dgcambridge on Dec 21, 2009 11:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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The "walking seafood dinner" comment got 3 recs?
"Typical negro, laying down on the job." -R.J. Anderson
I snickered a bit, but if that's all you need to do to get recs, we could break some records over there.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
As long as you're cherry-picking...
At the risk of simply rationalizing a justification for this. We pretty much all preferred Cruz, but he was a 21-year old in low-A this season. He scores out as a better prospect, but he is still really a fringe guy, meaning he isn’t necessarily a guy you can plan on being part of the future big league team. A good 2010 and that can all change, but a bad 2010 and he becomes another nameless innings filler in the system. Talbot, on the other hand, will be given a shot to contribute something at the major league level this season. His service time is (I think) only 16 days, meaning if he does stick around he is under control for 6 seasons, and cheap for 3 of those. So, you can definitely argue the expected return from Talbot is greater than that of Cruz, even if you think the potential ceiling is lower.
Well, there are a couple of somewhat sparkling items on Talbot’s resume. One is an all-around terrific 2006 season, age 22 in Double-A. Another is a tremendous K/BB of 4.03 in his last full season, 2008, age 24 in Triple-A …. You could argue there’s a chance to catch lightning in a bottle with Talbot.
Ultimately it looks like trading two unwanted players for each other, which is disappointing, particularly in the context of the contracts that catchers that I would say are worse than Shoppach are getting this off-season.
My take is: Shapiro is very smart, there’s no doubt about that. I don’t think he’s just turned into Bavasi. Either this was all that could be had (which is a shame but there was no point in keeping Kelly) or there’s something about Talbott we don’t realize. I think Talbott stays in the rotation all year. We just got ourselves a decent starter, I think.
“Broken-hearted” is unduly sneering. Kelly Shoppach is a likeably frustrating talent; his slugging is ingratiating, and we had high hopes for its market value. Moreover, if you follow the Indians in-depth, Talbot’s a perplexing get. The team’s building for 2011, and here’s a guy who’s awfully likely to be gone by May, 2010.
I mean, if you’re enjoying LGT’s little group therapy exercise, that’s your prerogative, but I think the comments I highlighted are a little more representative of the actual analysis.
by fleerdon on Dec 21, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Here's another one I found
I’m a big, stupid, doodoo head
by fleerdon on Dec 21, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously a fake. Plainly a knee-slapper like that on LGT would’ve gotten, like, a billion recs.
by fleerdon on Dec 21, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Talk about No Respect
I’ve also decided that I’m ready, emotionally, to start disliking the Rays, who have, in my estimation, done not much more to earn their talent than be resolutely worse than everybody for a decade, and then finally hire a grownup to put the pieces together. They’re the Pirates with better luck and nicer weather.
by fleerdon on Dec 21, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by R.J. Anderson on Dec 21, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Aww, I won’t try to defend that on enemy turf, except to say I’m ripping on your team, not your blog. Hopefully the Rays organization will soldier on without my sympathies.
Sorry to bow out on a sour note, fellas. But thanks for your insights on the ordeal.
by fleerdon on Dec 21, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
For the record all 7 of us like Talbot
It’s not the Indians’ job to provide Talbot with an opportunity so that his seven fans in the greater Tampa area can feel good about it. Anyone who thinks the Indians would ever give a rat’s ass about something like that should give Jordan Brown a call.
by Jay on Dec 15, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He just didn’t have a fit with us due to our pitching depth. You will like him.
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Interesting, Cruz required another player to the Rays
Talbot was one of two players the Indians considered as the player to be named. As part of the deal, the Indians also had to send cash to the Rays, though the exact amount was not revealed.
“There were a number of complexities to the player to be named component,” assistant general manager Chris Antonetti said. “Cash was a consideration, in the event that we went with Talbot.”
The Tribe had until Sunday to select the player to be named. The other player on their list to consider was right-hander Joseph Cruz, a 21-year-old who spent all of ‘09 at Class A Bowling Green. Had the Indians selected Cruz, it’s believed they would have had to send another player to the Rays as compensation.
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Rays are always looking for cash in trades
See Bradford and Zaun deals from Baltimore.
I just like how they trade an apple for a sandwich and a bag of chips.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Andrew must have been a tough kid to deal with at lunch time back in the day
“’l’ll trade you my liverwurst sandwich for your roast beef and provolone sandwich. Oh I want that brownie too”
by rickrays on Dec 21, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Personally I wanted to keep Talbot
not to actually use him, but to package him in a big deal to the Orioles to get Brandon Snyder & Matt Angle. That would have been a much better use for him.
I want to trade Jeff Bennett for Albert Pujols.
Instead we designated him for assignment. Dumb Rays.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 22, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Get ready for the hate mail.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Brandon Morrow headed to Toronto for League and "a good prospect"
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Jays include J.P. Arencibia
I like him and hes a nice fit for Seattle
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I take that back
was rumored to be Arenciba but now people are saying its either Wallace (dealt again) or David Cooper
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And the Morrow rumor is false
sigh, hot stove strikes again
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Don't get too excited. You'll need a nap.
by ReasonableDoubt on Dec 22, 2009 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
Can't wait for GDT so you two to start a pissing match again.
I'm a Brett Favre honk so FUCK YOU!
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 22, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
nope
Dead horse, beaten.
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You're the one beating a dead horse when that is your constant lame comeback to a great, great meme
Now go get your fuckin shinebox nap!
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
nope
you guys can say “you won” or insult me or whatever but I am done with the message board fighting. If you guys wanna say “take a nap” and all that shit, go right ahead.
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dont get cunty
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Who's fighting?
You brought this on yourself.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yankees just got Javier Vasquez and Boone Logan
from the Braves for Melky Cabrera and 2 others, according to the Braves board. WTF? I was expecting them to unload Derek Lowe and add some power, or prospects and make a run at Matt Holliday… maybe this frees up enough for him, or they are going to resign LaRoche.
But I hate that the Yankees just picked up another good arm, though Vasquez struggled with them before.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 22, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions
I can't believe they got value for Melky
In the words of John Sickels, Melky sucks.
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