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Could Jose Contreras Be An Option For The Rays Bullpen?

Even though the Rays ended up losing the race for Kelvim Escobar, it is still likely at another reliever (or two) will be added before pitchers and catchers report. With that, I glanced at the current list of available free agent options in the relief market. R.J. already mentioned Octavio Dotel as well as other targets we've mentioned; for whatever reason, the name Jose Contreras caught my eye.

Like the Dotel post, this is simply a figment of my imagination. The Rays haven't been linked to Contreras in any way; nor has the pitcher expressed interest in pitching for Tampa Bay. Nonetheless, if the two sides crossed paths, I think the results could be favorable based on a few things.

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Kelvim Escobar he is not, but when healthy, Contreras has been for the most part an average starter. Reports are his preference is to start, but if he were to follow the Escobar route to the bullpen, he would likely get a little more mileage out of his arm (and possibly better results too). He pitched briefly in relief for Colorado last season and has not ruled out accepting a relief role in 2010.

In an extremely small sample size Contreras seemed to benefit by moving from the rotation in the bullpen. The sample size is so small that I won't get into the specific numbers; however, I'll note that his velocity increased and his contract rate decreased. This in turn led to more strikeouts. We can not make any assumptions off of this data, but all of these would not surprising outcomes for a pitcher moving from starter to reliever (See Park, Chan Ho). It's not out of the realm of possibility that he could consistently throw in the mid 90's and strikeout a batter per nine should he make a permanent switch. His multiple arm slots could also be effective in shorter doses as it would keep hitters off balance.

Another thing I observed was Contreras' stamina. The more pitches he throws, the less effective he becomes; this not uncommon for most pitchers, but still an interesting trend for a one who is considering a move to the pen. He is very effective out of the gate, but loses steam especially in the middle of his outings. Not surprisingly, when a lineup turns over, the batters have more success.

These are career numbers which means the sample size is large enough to warrant some credence.

Pitches

BAA

OBP

SLG

K/BB

1-25

0.25

0.315

0.373

2.57

26-50

0.272

0.343

0.42

1.82

51-75

0.266

0.335

0.429

1.84

76-100

0.251

0.323

0.411

2.04

As you can see when firing his first 25 bullets, Contreras is very effective. However, that effectiveness quickly declines as he goes through what equates to the middle part of most starts, pitches 26-75. Strangely enough, he regains some momentum from 76-100, but the damage is most likely done at that point. Again, not shockingly, the same can be said for number of times through a lineup. He does well the first time through, but struggles in the next turn.

BAA

OBP

SLG

K/BB

1st PA

0.252

0.323

0.369

2.38

2nd PA

0.265

0.336

0.437

1.71

3rd PA+

0.258

0.325

0.415

2.05

I honestly have no idea what the market is for Contreras at this point. There are rumors that the Cubs may hold interest in him as a starter. He certainly could make more money that way in the short-term, but could add a year or two (and maybe a contract or two) by shifting roles. Much like R.J.'s ending on Dotel, there is nothing brewing as far as we know, but I wouldn't mind if his name is tossed around the longer he sits on the market.

Data courtesy of Baseball-Reference.com

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To my mind he would be signing in as a long relief guy …being expected to be throwing up to 45 pitches on some appearences, maybe more. This being where he is at his weakest. I’d rather Sonny in there…out of interest what kind of $$$ is he looking for?

by OneTonneBaby on Dec 30, 2009 7:32 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

about Sonny, but at least Navi would have someone to look at over his half eaten candy bar at and feel better about his weight.

the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009

by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 30, 2009 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he'll exhaust all his starting opportunities first

Which would pay him more. I don’t know what his asking price is now, but Harden/Marquis got 7.5 million and he’s well below them.

As for the mid/long relief worries, if he knows he only has to throw 25-40 pitches, he won’t have to conserve gas the way he would knowing he needs to go 6 innings/100 pitches. Of course that’s based on nothing except my assumptions.

If his starting options dry up, and his asking price is reasonable, I think it could work. We also have other mid/long relief options and could give him a larger 6th/7th one inning role.

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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 30, 2009 7:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

as long as it back loaded enough

to coincide with 10 other back loaded deals

the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009

by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 30, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Is it possible that

we are over-reacting to the disappointment of the 2009 bullpen?

In 2007, the Rays bullpen was a disaster. In the off-season, the Rays added just 2 relievers with salaries over $1 million. (Percival and Miller) Otherwise, they moved Howell to the bullpen and held over Wheeler, Glover, Reyes, and Dohmann to start the season. I may not be exactly right about who started the season, but the point is that in the off-season the Rays did not splurge on relievers yet ended up with an outstanding relief corps, partly by dipping into Durham for Balfour and repositioning Howell.

Quite properly, the Rays tried to maintain the excellence by overhauling the bullpen again in the off-season after 2008. They acquired Cormier, Nelson, Shouse and Isringhausen while holding over Howell, Balfour, Wheeler and Bradford. All were somewhat established as major leaguers and two of the new relievers cost over $1 million as did Bradford who came mid-season 2008. The results were disappointing, partly due to injuries, partly to ineffectiveness.

In fact, in both 2008 and 2009, the greater contributions came from the less heralded and cheaper relievers such as Balfour and Howell in 2008 and Cormier and Choate in 2009 rather than Percival, Isringhausen, Nelson, Shouse or Bradford (2009 version).

I love the deal for Soriano and am glad the Rays have Balfour, Cormier and Choate. I think Wheeler still can be useful and love Howell. But 4 of those relievers (i.e. not including Howell & Choate) comprise over 20% of the payroll. If relievers such as Calero, Benoit, Contreras et al can be had really cheaply I am all for it. But if not, I think the Rays need to go the route of accumulating arms on minor league contracts with invites and stash who they can in Durham a la Choate last year or Balfour the year before.

My fear is not just that relievers may not pan out but that the payout may hamper opportunities to shore up the roster in-season as they did in 2008 by getting Bradford. I don’t think the wisest way to build a roster is to sink too much in relievers, and at this point spending $1 million or more on one may be doing just that for a very speculative advantage. I think management is too level-headed to be panicked into foolish spending for something that might be better fixed in other ways.

Although I have not liked the idea of Sonnanstine in the bullpen, I prefer trying him there than spending more than the minimum on some of the pitchers still available. And there will be plenty of other arms around to fill the Durham roster, including C. Hernandez, Abreu and Bennett for example. I am not confident any will succeed, but the risk/reward seems more promising with them than with someone who cost considerably more.

by bobr on Dec 30, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

I think I agree

Soriano was right place, right time, but I’m not sure it makes sense to drop another $1mill plus on an arm. We’ve already added a top arm to the pen without losing any key arms. I am in the camp that there was a lot of bad bullpen luck last year, and some questionable usage. At this point, it can correct itself.

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 30, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Im not for spending money just to spend it

But if the market depresses and we can add a quality arm on the cheap side, I am definitely for that. You can never have enough bullpen depth due to the volatile nature of the job.

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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 30, 2009 3:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I absolutely agree.

I was really reacting to the Escobar signing. He is getting $1.25 million and may turn out to be worth more. But I am glad the Rays did not outbid the Mets. Had he gotten just a minor league contract with an invite, I would have thought perhaps a small raise in the bid would have been worth it, but not what he got.

So with Dotel, Contreras, Calero et al. Any one of them might be a terrific addition, but I am not sure the marginal gain is as much as our disappointment with last year’s bullpen might suggest. If the Rays pass on all of them it will not bother me, especially if any cost much more than the minimum, which I think is likely.

by bobr on Dec 30, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

What are the Chances?

That what the pen did in 08 can be replicated, by just doing the same thing? I think you need to try to improve your club anyway that is financially viable for the FO.

 I think with the Soriano deal the FO tipped it’s hand a bit after pulling the “we’re poor” line and constantly declaring that you wont see a 7 mil dollar closer anytime soon. I think with the Soriano deal it shows that the FO will be a lot more willing to pull off a bigger trade deadline deal this season, if they’re in contention, than the last two seasons. With that large amount of cash coming off the books why not pick up an expensive player for a few months? I don’t think spending a mil here and a mil there is really going to stop the FO this deadline.

by Karandrs on Dec 31, 2009 3:38 AM EST up reply actions  

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